slickmick Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Oh my God - I can't believe this is happening. These guys tricked us once before and we ended up with Barry the briefcase - don't you remember how ridiculous that all was? I am seriously concerned at the involvement of these two. Oh and what a surprise they are blabbing it all over the place too - and a last minute hitch too. Then surely Mark Fry can see through them. That should speed things up to our advantage if he knew the full history. If not, can you ask him to read this thread ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 I be the won't. Maybe in his dreams, but in reality.... What concerns me is that this fantacist/tyrekicker (call him what you will) is wasting the administrators time and therefore SFC's money. Yep. Spot on. These delusional gimps are going to kill the club... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 One thing this thread shows though is that, believe it or not, there are people out there worse than what we have had?? Gods helps us all.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Oh my God - I can't believe this is happening. These guys tricked us once before and we ended up with Barry the briefcase - don't you remember how ridiculous that all was? I am seriously concerned at the involvement of these two. Oh and what a surprise they are blabbing it all over the place too - and a last minute hitch too. FF, what I fail to understand is if a load of heads on here know these guys and assume they are tyre kickers etc...surely Fry, a professional at this, will have done some homework, if not then I believe delays, wasted monies etc.. are down to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 It wouldn't surprise me if it was neither of the above. It looks possible there is a bit of unravelling going going on. You were quite protective the other day about the bid on the table, but I can't imagine you being protective of a Marc Jackson bid. Now you're implying there is something in the wind which is neither MJ or MLT. So is there a third bid (possibly the first bid that actually went in) which unlike the other bids is actually honouring the NDA? Inquiring minds want to know!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 after the last fiasco you would have thought that he is not going to get much fan support by blabbing his BS all over the place wouldnt you? He seriously cannot help himself. It amazes me that people fall for all his guff, I guess, like all good salesmen, his enthusiasm must be contagious. Our salesman are especially good at selling vapourware. Somehow, though, the customer never seems to get the end product!! It must be a reverse empath type thing (I've been watching too much Heroes and Fringe!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Oh my God - I can't believe this is happening. These guys tricked us once before and we ended up with Barry the briefcase - don't you remember how ridiculous that all was? I am seriously concerned at the involvement of these two. Oh and what a surprise they are blabbing it all over the place too - and a last minute hitch too. Hang on Dunc, what's with the girly melodrama ? You said the other day you knew the names involved and were cautiously optimistic !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 You were quite protective the other day about the bid on the table, but I can't imagine you being protective of a Marc Jackson bid. Now you're implying there is something in the wind which is neither MJ or MLT. So is there a third bid (possibly the first bid that actually went in) which unlike the other bids is actually honouring the NDA? Inquiring minds want to know!!!!! My advice is to disregard the crap from the ITK's. They've shown time and time again that that know **** all. Why should this time be any different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Hang on Dunc, what's with the girly melodrama ? You said the other day you knew the names involved and were cautiously optimistic !! I knew Wacko Jacko was sniffing around but he was not part of any of the two consortiums I was /am aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 I knew Wacko Jacko was sniffing around but he was not part of any of the two consortiums I was /am aware of. The bloke must be completely mental. I can't think of any other explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Stanley you could also look in the mirror on that one. We all put up stuff at times that shouldn't do. I dont think we will hear anything today. Think about this there are 2 bids on the table 1 may well be shaky, if we then only have 1 hope and they are not solid the club is finished.It is getting close to a typical SFC moment. But Stanley isn't tryng to own the club! Do you remember all the total rubbish that was put on here, leaked to the media etc? It raised hopes and may have played some part in our downfall. I really really hope they get nowhere near are club. Both are complete loonies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 We will all be in the know soon and then we'll have something concrete to disect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 He seriously cannot help himself. It amazes me that people fall for all his guff, I guess, like all good salesmen, his enthusiasm must be contagious. Our salesman are especially good at selling vapourware. Somehow, though, the customer never seems to get the end product!! It must be a reverse empath type thing (I've been watching too much Heroes and Fringe!!) Well he must have done enough homework to get to the position he is now in with a bid on the table and so on. But if I win the Euro's tonight I will go directly to the club and deal with them. I wont be spouting off crap on here that I would like to happen when I have no real idea on if i could actually achieve it. He just seems to do everything arse about face and when it all falls through he looks like a knob. As cracking as Hereos and Fringe are we dont need there powers to figure out marc Jackson is nothing more than a salesman who has landed himself a few names with money. I guess he can talk them so far but doubt very much that they would jump into a multi million pound business they know little about on the back of what Marc says. Well I kinda hope not anyway, we need someone who knows what they are getting into for a start! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 But Stanley isn't tryng to own the club! Do you remember all the total rubbish that was put on here, leaked to the media etc? It raised hopes and may have played some part in our downfall. I really really hope they get nowhere near are club. Both are complete loonies. Nickh hasn't backed a horse thats won yet, so heres hoping that continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 We will all be in the know soon and then we'll have something concrete to disect. Or maybe not, wasn't there a time limit on how long we had before we went into oblivion ? Thought it was around now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 The problem with Marc Jackson isn’t so much that he’s a Walter Mitty so much as that he’s the master of unintended consequences. If it’s really true he’s involved yet again, Fry has to watch out for what now seems to be his modus operandum. Groups of business people get cobbled together who are sold on the idea that the club is an absolute steal. They sell back to Jackson the idea that they can put the money together to do it. The net worth of these guys is such that a bid from their consortium looks roughly plausible. They may even pass a ‘proof of funds’ test. But due diligence cuts both ways. As the scale not so much of the investment as the sheer quantity of cash needed upfront becomes clear, foot temperatures plummet. The ‘steal’ is a financial basket case, and the ‘bid’ starts to crumble. MJ then does a 'tommac' and starts bleating on forums. Tempers rise still further - to the point where people stop talking to each other, or slag each other off on local news shows. Meanwhile, as the circus plays out, rival bids have had time to cool, or have found the price unintentionally jacked (so pun intended) by the supposed competitor, to a point where a deal becomes less and less likely. More time passes – and, hey presto, the rival bid, and the takeover, melt away. I HOPE to hell this doesn’t happen – and that Jackson for once has someone standing behind him who’s the real deal. In the surreal world of Southampton Football Club, you never know. But with the form Jackson has, I’d be amazed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancelot link Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 You were quite protective the other day about the bid on the table, but I can't imagine you being protective of a Marc Jackson bid. Now you're implying there is something in the wind which is neither MJ or MLT. So is there a third bid (possibly the first bid that actually went in) which unlike the other bids is actually honouring the NDA? Inquiring minds want to know!!!!! call me thick but how are they all not honouring the NDA? Its now known that MJ is one party but details not know, MLTs lot issued a statement saying they were looking at it but wouldnt say any more until they actually were sure they'd done the deal, and if theres a 3rd lot we don't know anything about them - in summary, other that MJ being one party, MLTs lot another and possibly a 3rd we dont have ANY details!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Believe me Nick, if i was a deal broker i wouldn't be making a complete pillock of myself on fans messgeboards like Jacko has. You cannot compare me and him because i post ******** and i know it's ********. Jacko posts ******** and he doesn't even realise he's doing it! It's possible that you value status on a message board more than LLS/cherrypip. The question I'd ask myself was what did he achieve from his postings on here and on the other place? He was after information and to build relationships. He wanted to see who had access to power and how he could "use" them. I think he did a brilliant job of that. I honestly don't think he cares too much if he's upset a few "overly-dedicated" individuals on a web forum. I remember getting PMs from LLS (now appear in my inbox as CherryPip) where he would "give" me some information and he'd ask me to pass with anything I knew. Obviously the stuff he posted was ****** but I thought at the time it was a pretty smart tactic. He never got anything from me because I never knew anything. Yet I saw others on the forum fall under his spell. The stuff he posted was crazy and he came across as delusional but he's a networker and a bit of a grifter he's looking to turn a quid. I think he used the forum to achieve his ends pretty well. Do I want him involved in the running of the club? No. Not from what I've seen. If he's used his "talent" and network to bring a bid that the Administrator is considering then I'm fine with that. It's not as if we have a say in what Mark Fry does anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Well he must have done enough homework to get to the position he is now in with a bid on the table and so on. But if I win the Euro's tonight I will go directly to the club and deal with them. I wont be spouting off crap on here that I would like to happen when I have no real idea on if i could actually achieve it. He just seems to do everything arse about face and when it all falls through he looks like a knob. As cracking as Hereos and Fringe are we dont need there powers to figure out marc Jackson is nothing more than a salesman who has landed himself a few names with money. I guess he can talk them so far but doubt very much that they would jump into a multi million pound business they know little about on the back of what Marc says. Well I kinda hope not anyway, we need someone who knows what they are getting into for a start! And it seems, from comments on here, that (at least) one of the money men has pulled out. Guess they have gone beyond what LLS has told them and done some of their own homework!! Scarily this parallels what happened with AFCB!! As for the bigging himself up, he's a salesmen, need I say more!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 This has just put things back another week or so - I could weep. Didn't think we had that much time ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Nickh hasn't backed a horse thats won yet, so heres hoping that continues. Pity, because if he had would we be in this mess today? The Duke of Westminster could buy this club and some of you would start your mock hysteria with cry's of 'Not another toff!!' Hardly surprising you've all been blind sided with your hatred of Lowe and concerns over his return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Lets hope we will not be cracking open bottles of chardonay in celebration whilst st david is giving a statement to the press, perish the fecking thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 The problem with Marc Jackson isn’t so much that he’s a Walter Mitty so much as that he’s the master of unintended consequences. If it’s really true he’s involved yet again, Fry has to watch out for what now seems to be his modus operandum. Groups of business people get cobbled together who are sold on the idea that the club is an absolute steal. They sell back to Jackson the idea that they can put the money together to do it. The net worth of these guys is such that a bid from their consortium looks roughly plausible. They may even pass a ‘proof of funds’ test. But due diligence cuts both ways. As the scale not so much of the investment as the sheer quantity of cash needed upfront becomes clear, foot temperatures plummet. The ‘steal’ is a financial basket case, and the ‘bid’ starts to crumble. MJ then does a 'tommac' and starts bleating on forums. Tempers rise still further - to the point where people stop talking to each other, or slag each other off on local news shows. Meanwhile, as the circus plays out, rival bids have had time to cool, or have found the price unintentionally jacked (so pun intended) by the supposed competitor, to a point where a deal becomes less and less likely. More time passes – and, hey presto, the rival bid, and the takeover, melt away. I HOPE to hell this doesn’t happen – and that Jackson for once has someone standing behind him who’s the real deal. In the surreal world of Southampton Football Club, you never know. But with the form Jackson has, I’d be amazed. To the bunker! Verbal it sounds like you are always 6 degrees of separation from all known catastrophes. Wonder you get up every morning in case you melt on the tube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Pity, because if he had would we be in this mess today? The Duke of Westminster could buy this club and some of you would start your mock hysteria with cry's of 'Not another toff!!' Hardly surprising you've all been blind sided with your hatred of Lowe and concerns over his return. We would have kept Nigel Pearson and still been playing Championship football next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 call me thick but how are they all not honouring the NDA? Its now known that MJ is one party but details not know, MLTs lot issued a statement saying they were looking at it but wouldnt say any more until they actually were sure they'd done the deal, and if theres a 3rd lot we don't know anything about them - in summary, other that MJ being one party, MLTs lot another and possibly a 3rd we dont have ANY details!! Fair point. Without knowing the terms of the NDA we have no idea whether anyone is honouring or dishonouring it. But All things considered I still think it looks like a three horse race with only two of the runners declared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 To the bunker! Verbal it sounds like you are always 6 degrees of separation from all known catastrophes. Wonder you get up every morning in case you melt on the tube. Bit unfair there NC, Verbal has stated it as it has happened in the past AFAIAC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Bit unfair there NC, Verbal has stated it as it has happened in the past AFAIAC. Agreed. verbals post is food for thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Fair point. Without knowing the terms of the NDA we have no idea whether anyone is honouring or dishonouring it. But All things considered I still think it looks like a three horse race with only two of the runners declared. Non disclosure agreements mean exactly that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 And it seems, from comments on here, that (at least) one of the money men has pulled out. Guess they have gone beyond what LLS has told them and done some of their own homework!! Scarily this parallels what happened with AFCB!! As for the bigging himself up, he's a salesmen, need I say more!! From what I hear you are spot on - a last minute hitch with the main money man pulling the plug - now there is a surprise. I think it is now down to Pinnacle/MLT - if that flounders we are in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 From what I hear you are spot on - a last minute hitch with the main money man pulling the plug - now there is a surprise. I think it is now down to Pinnacle/MLT - if that flounders we are in trouble. I have to say there appears to be a sinking inevitability in all this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 (edited) Non disclosure agreements mean exactly that. I've signed plenty in my time and they come in all shapes and sizes. Some state that you are not allowed to even talk about the fact you're in talks, others state you're allowed to say you're in talks but not about the specifics of what you're saying, still others say you're allowed to say anything about what you're saying but nothing about what the other party is saying. Edited 8 May, 2009 by SaintDonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancelot link Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 From what I hear you are spot on - a last minute hitch with the main money man pulling the plug - now there is a surprise. I think it is now down to Pinnacle/MLT - if that flounders we are in trouble. I dont know FF but if theres still 3 people at the table its not all doom and gloom. Fry is no mug, and I doubt any of the 3 at the table are or they wouldnt be taken seriously. I still reckon the Guernsey boys are the 3rd though. Could be wrong of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 I've signed plent in my time and they come in all shapes and sizes. Some state that you are not allowed to even talk about the fact you're in talks, others state you're allowed to say you're in talks but not about the specifics of what you're saying, still others say you're allowed to say anything about what you're saying but nothing about what the other party is saying. Funny that - so have I and the ones I've signed are in effect a gagging order ie you do not speak of anything that is or can be construed as being part of what you are involved in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 I have to say there appears to be a sinking inevitability in all this... If there is a failure i will hold marc Jackson partly responsible for dragging the process out. The longer it drags out the more time prespective buyers have to get cold feet. As Verbal says this may be Jackos tactic. If this is the case then i hope he doesn't show his face at Saints again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 This is scary... .... and some folk welcomed admin.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 This is scary... .... and some folk welcomed admin.... Two folk in particular - Lowe and Wilde. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Oh my God - I can't believe this is happening. These guys tricked us once before and we ended up with Barry the briefcase - don't you remember how ridiculous that all was? I am seriously concerned at the involvement of these two. Oh and what a surprise they are blabbing it all over the place too - and a last minute hitch too. There'll be no room in the car park as it will taken up by those having an on the spot MOT while at the game. They are a couple of stumblebums make no mistake. Out of the frying pan springs to mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 There'll be no room in the car park as it will taken up by those having an on the spot MOT while at the game. They are a couple of stumblebums make no mistake. Out of the frying pan springs to mind? ...no they are serious players and have Kevin Keegan's mobile number on their mobiles... they showed me! ...... lord help us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Two folk in particular - Lowe and Wilde. You know who I mean.... The danger was always going to be we would end up with greater numpties or no bidders and liquidation and that was considered preferable.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 ...no they are serious players and have Kevin Keegan's mobile number on their mobiles... they showed me! ...... lord help us Ah, I am right in thinking that LLS has been spreading the KK/Alan Shearer rumours then. They're consistent, I'll give them that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 This is scary... .... and some folk welcomed admin.... Frank, in the worst case scenario, your last 5 words would be a fitting epitaph to place on the club's headstone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 FF, what I fail to understand is if a load of heads on here know these guys and assume they are tyre kickers etc...surely Fry, a professional at this, will have done some homework, if not then I believe delays, wasted monies etc.. are down to him Hopefully Mr Fry will have discussed this character with Gerald Krasner ( a Begbies associate who dealt with said character during the Bompey fiasco). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 ...no they are serious players and have Kevin Keegan's mobile number on their mobiles... they showed me! ...... lord help us Did you speak with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 I've signed plent in my time and they come in all shapes and sizes. Some state that you are not allowed to even talk about the fact you're in talks, others state you're allowed to say you're in talks but not about the specifics of what you're saying, still others say you're allowed to say anything about what you're saying but nothing about what the other party is saying. this one stipulates that you can't reveal yourself to the press as an interested party without the permission of the administrator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Frank, in the worst case scenario, your last 5 words would be a fitting epitaph to place on the club's headstone. Here is a better epitaph "May 6 days earlier, a relegation battle still open and 10 points better off, more parties would have been interested. But Lowe knew better. As he ALWAYS does" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Ah, I am right in thinking that LLS has been spreading the KK/Alan Shearer rumours then. They're consistent, I'll give them that. I wonder who this could be... TBF they were in a nosedive when he arrived and it's not at all easy to pull a team out of a downward spiral, just as Harry Redknapp found out here. I think he would have been well advised to have given the Newcastle job a miss, that club is in a bit of a state at the moment. Although you might not personally want him Shearer is genuine box office. He'd give the long suffering fans of this club a much needed boost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Is he the one backed by the bank of lala and cloud cukoo land with non-existent partners of substance aa Gerald Krasner found out with Bournemouth AFC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Did you speak with him? Last season met them at a game LLS + St David. Spoke with them for a bit - St D was determnined to show me his mobile 'connections' - Not bad or malicious guys, but seriously deluded.... sorry could not take them seriously at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 ...no they are serious players and have Kevin Keegan's mobile number on their mobiles... they showed me! ...... lord help us you should see my mobile phone Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Here is a better epitaph "May 6 days earlier, a relegation battle still open and 10 points better off, more parties would have been interested. But Lowe knew better. As he ALWAYS does" How bout "Lets go Wilde and ***** the club up some more"? or "There is no need to spend after the cup final..... Oh wait!" or "Execs knew best" To be fair there are many that we could choose from concerning all parties. There is no need to go back into that slanging match again really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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