Dave Jones

[OldNick]

if he is replaced at Cardiff how do people view him again as manager. as far as Im aware he holds no grudges to our fans, as I beleive we werre supportive.He is good at finding some good british talent and has done ok wherever he has been

[Ponty]

Yep. Would be welcome as far as I'm concerned. That might be aiming a little high though.

[Scummer]

He won't be replaced at Cardiff. Ridsdale has already come out today saying that Jones will be staying, and how this is Cardiff's best placing for nearly 40 years.

 

And if he was to leave Cardiff, I don't think he'd need to drop down to league 1 to find employment.

[OldNick]

He won't be replaced at Cardiff. Ridsdale has already come out today saying that Jones will be staying, and how this is Cardiff's best placing for nearly 40 years.

 

And if he was to leave Cardiff, I don't think he'd need to drop down to league 1 to find employment.

It wasnt the chairmans dreaded vote of confidence then?

[eelpie]

He is too good to be sacked, and even so would be in demand by a CCC club at least. I wish him well.

[Dicko]

Someone told me the other week that his daughter still lives in Southampton

 

Is this true anyone?

[eelpie]

Not giving Dave Jones the opportunity to reclaim his job here, after his unjust court case, was probably (in hindsight) Lowe's first major error as MD at SLH.

[Dicko]

Not giving Dave Jones the opportunity to reclaim his job here, after his unjust court case, was probably Lowe's first major error.

 

Don't think he wanted to return anyway

 

He felt bitterly 'let down' by Rupert's decision

[manzo]

Not giving Dave Jones the opportunity to reclaim his job here, after his unjust court case, was probably (in hindsight) Lowe's first major error as MD at SLH.

 

Nah, we were absolute gash at that time, and I've always maintained that he would have been sacked before too long if he hadn't been put on leave. Though no doubt he'd be able to do a decent job in divisions two and three.

[stevegrant]

Nah, we were absolute gash at that time, and I've always maintained that he would have been sacked before too long if he hadn't been put on leave. Though no doubt he'd be able to do a decent job in divisions two and three.

I'd agree with that. If anything, the uncertainty with his pending court case probably prolonged his spell here.

[OldNick]

I'd agree with that. If anything, the uncertainty with his pending court case probably prolonged his spell here.

To a degree you are right. he is good at assembling a useful team he needs somebody who is better at organising that squad than him.GH profited form his squads and he did improve their organisation

[RedAndWhite91]

Dave Jones I think is the first manager I remember as a Saints fan (I was 5-6 when he got the job) and I do remember feeling sorry for him when he left, after my dad explained Rupert Lowe had not treated him very well -

 

He felt bitterly 'let down' by Rupert's decision

 

- I quite liked him at the time I seem to remember, I'd definitely have him back as manager!!

[Micky]

Could be a decent shout at our level, but like others I think that if he left Cardiff there would be other, more attractive, propositions available to him.

[Wildgoose]

Would take him like a shot! Here's hoping......

[madsent]

To a degree you are right. he is good at assembling a useful team he needs somebody who is better at organising that squad than him.GH profited form his squads and he did improve their organisation

 

Hoddle was a far better coach than Dave Jones but he was very lucky to have Dave Jones's signings. No manager had such a consistently bad transfer record as Hoddle.

[itchen]

I'd agree with that. If anything, the uncertainty with his pending court case probably prolonged his spell here.

 

I think there was always a suspicion that the court case gave a convenient way of getting rid of him. And we improved no end once he'd gone.

[Mowgli]

Before yet another crucify Lowe thread starts can we remind people that it was the banks (on who we were dependent for financing on the new stadium) that forced the boards hand on the gardening leave. Dave Jones bears no grudge with Lowe for that and felt more aggrieved that society should conspire to effectively punish a man when the case was not even proven. I think he may have had a grudge about Hoddle though.

 

And Mrs Jones could certainly could pack a punch according to Lowe.

[OldNick]

Hoddle was a far better coach than Dave Jones but he was very lucky to have Dave Jones's signings. No manager had such a consistently bad transfer record as Hoddle.

I agree

[Torbay Saint]

Hoddle was a far better coach than Dave Jones but he was very lucky to have Dave Jones's signings. No manager had such a consistently bad transfer record as Hoddle.

 

Or as good a transfer record at Jones. Beattie, Richards, Pahars, Tessem, R. Johnson, McCormack etc etc

[The Majestic Channon]

Nah, we were absolute gash at that time, and I've always maintained that he would have been sacked before too long if he hadn't been put on leave. Though no doubt he'd be able to do a decent job in divisions two and three.

 

 

were we gash ?? you sure? didn't we draw 3-3 at old trafford in his last game?

Whether he would have been sacked if he had not been put on leave will never be known.

I'd love dave jones back , won't happen though even if cardiff do ( stupidly) sack him.He will be snapped up by a championship club or maybe even a lower half premiership club.

He's a good manager .

[manzo]

were we gash ?? you sure? didn't we draw 3-3 at old trafford in his last game?

 

Nah, that was in September of that season. We'd just beaton Everton 2-0 at home, though I vaguely remember it being an awful match.

 

http://www.southampton-mad.co.uk/footydb/loadtmrs.asp?ssnno=129&teamno=479

 

And we'd been thrashed 5-0 at Newcastle the week before. I certainly remember feeling at the time that it was only a matter of time before he got sacked, and then the court case reared it's head.

[paulwantsapint]

Dave Jones departure was Lowe trying to be diplomatic ( but yet still being in the wrong ) in saying that it was gardening leave when he had every right to sack DJ over results & performances not Lowes worst ever decision

the fact that Hoddle was unemployed was the bonus

[Gorgiesaint]

I did suggest Dave Jones on another thread yesterday - although it's massively unlikely that Cardiff will let him go after Ridsdales comments. I did check the Cardiff 606 messageboard & every single Cardiff fan to have commented (up to that point) was behind him & said he had to stay. Still would be a tremendous opportunity if he became available as he has a proven track record at L1 level when he was at Stockport.

[Fuengirola Saint]

Dave Jones departure was Lowe trying to be diplomatic ( but yet still being in the wrong ) in saying that it was gardening leave when he had every right to sack DJ over results & performances not Lowes worst ever decision

the fact that Hoddle was unemployed was the bonus

 

I agree, i hate Lowe and hope he dies but If he hadn't put Dave Jones on "gardening leave" we would have gone down that season.

[WealdSaint]

On the whole a reasonable manager. Some good signings. Was not as good as Hoddle or WGS but streets ahead of all the rest of the Lowe appointments

[Badger]

Nah, we were absolute gash at that time, and I've always maintained that he would have been sacked before too long if he hadn't been put on leave. Though no doubt he'd be able to do a decent job in divisions two and three.

 

Agree.If anything though I think he would have been sacked sooner,but for the pending court case which left the club in an 'awkward' position on how to treat him at the time.

 

RL was right to move Jones out,but I still think he did it in a clumsy and embarrassing way with all this 'compassionate leave' crap.

[scotty]

We're really clutching at straws. Dave Jones isnt coming back here any time soon, why the hell would he want to take a backward step into league one? With no money and a ten-point deficit to overturn? He was doing well enough at Stockport, if he'd wanted league one action hed have stayed there instead of jumping ship for prem league at Saints.

[70's Mike]

a lot of rose coloured specs showing, i remember Jones being heavily crticised for showing no passion on the touch line etc

[scotty]

a lot of rose coloured specs showing' date=' i remember Jones being heavily crticised for showing no passion on the touch line etc[/quote']

 

No passion? Thats not what the prosecution claimed

[NI76]

were we gash ?? you sure? didn't we draw 3-3 at old trafford in his last game?

Whether he would have been sacked if he had not been put on leave will never be known.

I'd love dave jones back , won't happen though even if cardiff do ( stupidly) sack him.He will be snapped up by a championship club or maybe even a lower half premiership club.

He's a good manager .

 

Yes we were absolute gash (great word by the way). In my mind he would have been sacked sooner had it not been for his court case and I believe we would have gone down if we had kept him all season.

 

And for all of his good signings there were plenty of duff ones, I give you Lee Todd, Stig Johansen, Stuart Ripley, David Howells, Scott Marshall, Mark Hughes and I am sure there were others I can't think of off the top of my head.

 

I accept I'm probably in the minority but I thought he was a poor manager for us (although I accept in hindsight he was better than a lot of the jokers we've had since!).

[lordswoodsaints]

He was crap IMO,the kiddy fiddling thing done lowe a favour as it gave him an excuse to fire him.

[NickG]

Someone told me the other week that his daughter still lives in Southampton

 

Is this true anyone?

 

yes and supports us so I understand

[Stu Man Do]

He was crap IMO,the kiddy fiddling thing done lowe a favour as it gave him an excuse to fire him.

 

I'm sure he won manager of the season or young manager the first season he was with us, kept us up and relatively safe when we'd always struggled before and had a decent transfer record. Hardly crap. I would however agree towards the end we were on a bad downturn in form, who's to say he wouldnt have turned it around? Impossible to say but at the end of the day we ended up with a decent manager in Hoddle followed by several really "crap" managers in Wigley and Gray.

[SFKA South Woodford]

Before yet another crucify Lowe thread starts can we remind people that it was the banks (on who we were dependent for financing on the new stadium) that forced the boards hand on the gardening leave. Dave Jones bears no grudge with Lowe for that and felt more aggrieved that society should conspire to effectively punish a man when the case was not even proven. I think he may have had a grudge about Hoddle though.

 

And Mrs Jones could certainly could pack a punch according to Lowe.

 

 

I remember being at a London Saints meeting with Rupert Lowe at the time, and Lowe hinting that the club were being put under pressure by the FA to act, as the allegations were of so serious a nature.

[The Majestic Channon]

I'm sure he won manager of the season or young manager the first season he was with us, kept us up and relatively safe when we'd always struggled before and had a decent transfer record. Hardly crap. I would however agree towards the end we were on a bad downturn in form, who's to say he wouldnt have turned it around? Impossible to say but at the end of the day we ended up with a decent manager in Hoddle followed by several really "crap" managers in Wigley and Gray.

I agree with that.

[lordswoodsaints]

I'm sure he won manager of the season or young manager the first season he was with us, kept us up and relatively safe when we'd always struggled before and had a decent transfer record. Hardly crap. I would however agree towards the end we were on a bad downturn in form, who's to say he wouldnt have turned it around? Impossible to say but at the end of the day we ended up with a decent manager in Hoddle followed by several really "crap" managers in Wigley and Gray.

 

It is true he kept us up on a shoestring but the final year of his tenure was awful but my main gripe was his poker face,there was no showing of passion even when we scored and that unsettled me.I like to see a manager letting off a bit of steam on the touchline and celebrating a goal.

[StuRomseySaint]

Have heard from a member of his immediate family that he would love to come back here and would jump at the chance to manage here. Some of his family still live here, I was ****ed during the conversation but I am sure I was told he applied for the job when burley left.

Edited 5 May, 2009 by StuRomseySaint

[CB Fry]

I'm sure he won manager of the season or young manager the first season he was with us, kept us up and relatively safe when we'd always struggled before and had a decent transfer record. Hardly crap. I would however agree towards the end we were on a bad downturn in form, who's to say he wouldnt have turned it around? Impossible to say but at the end of the day we ended up with a decent manager in Hoddle followed by several really "crap" managers in Wigley and Gray.

 

 

He won the LMA league manager of the year award.

 

He was a fine manager for us, and has proved to be excellent at the other clubs he has served - very well thought of at Wolves, and it is only a few Cardiff dinlows with their expectations raised (by Jones) that are slating him now.

 

He was struggling when he left us though, and I don't think you can slate Lowe for what he did at the time - its difficult to see what else he could have done.

 

But in response to the original poster, if Cardiff are dumb enough to get rid, he wouldn't be short of job offers and we couldn't afford him.

[doggface]

Great 2nd season if i remember right & a few good signings. However we were going down the season he left, he was in denial about the team performances & personally was about as inspiring as ian branfoot.

[Whitey Grandad]

I have never forgiven him for selling Maik Taylor for £500k and buying Paul Jones for £1m. We could do with that money now.

[saint1977]

Dave Jones departure was Lowe trying to be diplomatic ( but yet still being in the wrong ) in saying that it was gardening leave when he had every right to sack DJ over results & performances not Lowes worst ever decision

the fact that Hoddle was unemployed was the bonus

 

Agree with this. Jones was excellent in buying players but defensively we were poor apart from his first season. Hoddle got the players fitter and better organised but Hoddle's record in the transfer market is poor. If you had Hoddle as Head Coach and Jones as DOF, Lowe's dream continental system might actually have worked! In reality, the two men would hate this, particularly with Hoddle's ego. I don't think the continental system works in England really, the politics get in the way. I can't think of a club where it has really worked but plenty where it hasn't - us, Spurs, Chelsea, even the Skates when Rix was manager with Harry as DOF.

[saint1977]

I have never forgiven him for selling Maik Taylor for £500k and buying Paul Jones for £1m. We could do with that money now.

 

Paul Jones was a decent keeper, some high-profile blunders when he didnt command his area but some great saves - OT - as well. Took our second best ever keeper (behind Shilts) in Antti to dislodge him and can anyone remember Finland V Wales just after Antti signed? Strings of great saves at either end all game.

[Gingeletiss]

A cold fish......no passion........no thanks. He hasn't excactly set the world alight with his managerial skills. There are better options IMHO.

[The Majestic Channon]

A cold fish......no passion........no thanks. He hasn't excactly set the world alight with his managerial skills. There are better options IMHO.

 

Like who? what better manager than dave jones will come to us?

we are league 1 now remember?

[bolo]

Nah, we were absolute gash at that time, and I've always maintained that he would have been sacked before too long if he hadn't been put on leave. Though no doubt he'd be able to do a decent job in divisions two and three.

 

+1 I totally agree...

[CityRanger]

Dave Jones tells the story of his sacking:

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article6597000.ece

 

Sorry to bump this thread but not allowed to start a new one on Jones, probs 'cos I haven't paid the cash!

It's an interesting read tho...imo.

[percy windham]

he is signing his book in Borders in town somewhen soon.

[Give it to Ron]

Jones will take over at WBA ....he has already refused to rule that out.

He has taken Cardiff as far as he can plus they have the dreaded new stadium syndrome next season ;-)

[Wildgoose]

Yes please! But he could get a better job unfortunately........ :-(

[egreog]

Dave Jones was a thoroughly decent guy in my view and would always be welcome back as manager under a new regime.......he always got a good reception at SMS and I think many fans like me are slightly embarrassed about the circumstances of his departure, though at the time it was a tough decision for anyone