OldNick Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Interesting stuff, Nigel Pearson wanted to stay and would have taken a salary drop. Poortvliet was only on £60,000 a year (seven times less than George Burley), less than some of the players. Leon Crouch & Pearson had a 3 year plan and more. I cant get an echo until much later today sadly. NP would have taken a wage drop, if Jan was on 60k does it tell us what NP was on? The other thing that i wonder if anyone could answer is if LC and NP had a 3 year plan, why was he on a short contract that had not been quickly increased and also what were their proposals to cut our costs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 You crack me up I reckon you must have been a Monty Python script writer in your youth ! I thought Monty Python were amusing though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 For those of you fed-up with the mug-slinging, why dont you avoid the thread. Some of us are not fed up with it, and some of us want the full story of the last 5 or 6 years out in the open. Then every event can be put into its proper context. I would love somebody to write a comprehensive book about the PLC years, or at least about the time since the FA Cup Final. Dunc ? I see your point but I don't think it's really necessary myself. Isn't it enough to say that we ****ed up very, very badly and now we basically have to find someone to buy us and start winning football matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 I cant get an echo until much later today sadly. NP would have taken a wage drop, if Jan was on 60k does it tell us what NP was on? The other thing that i wonder if anyone could answer is if LC and NP had a 3 year plan, why was he on a short contract that had not been quickly increased and also what were their proposals to cut our costs? Now thats a valid point ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 I thought Monty Python were amusing though Good morning nick:smt075..Rupettes have never disbanded then:smt041 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Good morning nick:smt075..Rupettes have never disbanded then:smt041 Sugar Baby Love Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Good morning nick:smt075..Rupettes have never disbanded then:smt041 Sugar Baby Love You guys are showing your age there Unfortunately, so am I by understanding the joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 If this article isn't posted on the Echo's website tonight, is there any chance someone could summarise it for those of us who don't live in the circulation area? Obviously, no cutting and pasting though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Sugar Baby Love You are obviously as old as me...We could both be crusty old groupeees:smt041 Here is to looking forward with you, nick and pontey and the rest of The mighty Saints fans:heart: Will Rupes move on for good..I hope so:rolleyes: Peace amongst all us posters:smt041 Maybe not so much fun until all the News Of The World juicy bits totally exposed:smt075 Like you probably not our scene but we may have to endure before we do move on...:smt009 if ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Good morning nick:smt075..Rupettes have never disbanded then:smt041 I was never committed enough to be a fully fledged Rupette. I never went Wilde like some either. Iam in a cynical line of business where I meet lots of fantacists, braggers and just downright liars (not the police or politics..only kidding) and so am sceptical of peoples intentions. We have gone down the road of administration that many had championed, I feel comfortable that we at least will come out of the other side as there is an offer on the table. Who that will be or if their intentions are honourable only time will tell but i doubt it is Salz/Fulthorpe, as they have had over a year to get themselves ready and couldnt do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 :heart:You are obviously as old as me...We could both be crusty old groupeees:smt041 Here is to looking forward with you, nick and pontey and the rest of The mighty Saints fans:heart: Will Rupes move on for good..I hope so:rolleyes: Peace amongst all us posters:smt041 Maybe not so much fun until all the News Of The World juicy bits totally exposed:smt075 Like you probably not our scene but we may have to endure before we do move on...:smt009 if ever Late 40's I'm afraid but old enough to remember all the good times and the cheesy 70's songs and white caps ! And peace on you too my friend ! :heart: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 I was never committed enough to be a fully fledged Rupette. I never went Wilde like some either. Iam in a cynical line of business where I meet lots of fantacists, braggers and just downright liars (not the police or politics..only kidding) and so am sceptical of peoples intentions. We have gone down the road of administration that many had championed, I feel comfortable that we at least will come out of the other side as there is an offer on the table. Who that will be or if their intentions are honourable only time will tell but i doubt it is Salz/Fulthorpe, as they have had over a year to get themselves ready and couldnt do so. nick its never been the same for me after you didn't ask me to join your football team:smt075...I sent you loads of money but obviously not as much as some who are not even as half as good as me on grass. Now down that white touchline even Fowler would get left in the shade:rolleyes: Now be brutally honest it twas not my footballing skill..not my cider drinking.. but my greater luv for Rupert:heart: that upset you and made you jealous;) Anyway once we have the scandal and Ruperts last round of media events out of the way we will look forward to new management all round..new players from Eastleigh , Dorchester and Weymouth:rolleyes: Onwards and upwards as they say.......I know you luv me really:heart: Forget Rupes he only causes tension between you and me:smt075 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 For those of you fed-up with the mug-slinging, why dont you avoid the thread. Some of us are not fed up with it, and some of us want the full story of the last 5 or 6 years out in the open. Then every event can be put into its proper context. I would love somebody to write a comprehensive book about the PLC years, or at least about the time since the FA Cup Final. Dunc ? Not me too biased but I know someone who is considering it. Ponty and Minty might not want to look back but unfortunately what happened in the past affects our future. I give you, for example, one Tommy Forecast who was given a 5 and a half year contract 6 months ago. People who don't like to look back are just frightened of what they might see imo and of course they might also be proved wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Not me too biased but I know someone who is considering it. Ponty and Minty might not want to look back but unfortunately what happened in the past affects our future. I give you, for example, one Tommy Forecast who was given a 5 and a half year contract 6 months ago. People who don't like to look back are just frightened of what they might see imo and of course they might also be proved wrong. 5 and a half years, jesus christ i didnt realise that. Why the hell would he be offered a deal like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 +1. Then why are you on this thread Nick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 5 and a half years, jesus christ i didnt realise that. Why the hell would he be offered a deal like that. perhaps the Echo might tell you later, but don't tell Minty or Ponty they are not interested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 5 and a half years, jesus christ i didnt realise that. Why the hell would he be offered a deal like that. A make weight in the early Bale payment from Spuds I suggest.. he is one lucky boy - Not many Pro's get offered a deal that long !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 5 and a half years, jesus christ i didnt realise that. Why the hell would he be offered a deal like that. Because he is the next Gordon Banks, but even he doesn't realise it yet ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Not me too biased but I know someone who is considering it. Ponty and Minty might not want to look back but unfortunately what happened in the past affects our future. I give you, for example, one Tommy Forecast who was given a 5 and a half year contract 6 months ago. People who don't like to look back are just frightened of what they might see imo and of course they might also be proved wrong. Which is why NickG et al try to spin us a yarn about how we should look to the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Not me too biased but I know someone who is considering it. Ponty and Minty might not want to look back but unfortunately what happened in the past affects our future. I give you, for example, one Tommy Forecast who was given a 5 and a half year contract 6 months ago. People who don't like to look back are just frightened of what they might see imo and of course they might also be proved wrong. That is a revelation. I cant recall any player ever getting a contract that long at SFC before. For all the rubbish RL did I cant see why he would have sanctioned that. Money was his number 1 friend so why would hewaste it like that, there must be more to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 I have heard that david bull will be writing a book "the plc years" And Steve Bull will be writing a book, "the pie years" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 nick its never been the same for me after you didn't ask me to join your football team:smt075...I sent you loads of money but obviously not as much as some who are not even as half as good as me on grass. Now down that white touchline even Fowler would get left in the shade:rolleyes: Now be brutally honest it twas not my footballing skill..not my cider drinking.. but my greater luv for Rupert:heart: that upset you and made you jealous;) Anyway once we have the scandal and Ruperts last round of media events out of the way we will look forward to new management all round..new players from Eastleigh , Dorchester and Weymouth:rolleyes: Onwards and upwards as they say.......I know you luv me really:heart: Forget Rupes he only causes tension between you and me:smt075I have forgotten him, it is just people on here keep reminding me about him all the time. I want the club to be more united and move on. I would be very suspicious of the Echo's piece as I suspect there are going to be bits hidden away.Until we get independent people looking at the figures and minutes we will get biased views. As for the football team thing, you would be welcome to be my No2, as that is what lots of people say you are...kidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 For all the rubbish RL did I cant see why he would have sanctioned that. Money was his number 1 friend so why would hewaste it like that, there must be more to it. Bloody hell, talk about changing your tune.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 That is a revelation. I cant recall any player ever getting a contract that long at SFC before. For all the rubbish RL did I cant see why he would have sanctioned that. Money was his number 1 friend so why would hewaste it like that, there must be more to it. Good question - probably to make a point to Webster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 For once nick I won't comment on your posts....no point, as you have now hoisted yourself up onto the fence. As for those saying forget the past, look to the future....simple, don't comment on this thread. As has been said, the future is linked to the past, we are in the position we find ourselves, because of the past. Bring on the truth I say, let all the Luvies see what they have worshipped for years, and truth seeking applies to the rest as well!!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 In fairness to nickh, at least reality has dawned on him, unlike the likes of NickG who appear to want to pretend the past never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMondo Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 A make weight in the early Bale payment from Spuds I suggest.. he is one lucky boy - Not many Pro's get offered a deal that long !! But he joined us about 9 months ago, didn't he? Does that mean that, three months and zero games in, he had impressed the management enough to earn the longest contract at the club??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 In fairness to nickh, at least reality has dawned on him, unlike the likes of NickG who appear to want to pretend the past never happened. It's quite clear that NickG would rather the past wasn't discussed because the revelations only serve to discredit his pro Lowe contributions to the site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 But he joined us about 9 months ago, didn't he? Does that mean that, three months and zero games in, he had impressed the management enough to earn the longest contract at the club??? Crazy is'nt it ? Suspect that Spuds would not pay the entire amount owing on Bale when we asked so we accepted a reduced amount and they threw in Forecast as a "BOGOFF" ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 [/b] Now thats a valid point ! And i'm guessing quite a straight forward answer. When Crouch came in it's clear he was in dialogue with a consortium (fulthorpe etc) about taking over. When a takeover happens at any football club they tend to want to bring their own people in, and especially the manager. It would have been a little bit reckless to hand NP a 3 year contract if the consortium you were in discussions with made it clear they wanted their own man, especially when money was so tight. Also, surely handing NP a short term deal was almost an incentive for him to gout prove he was up to the job? He hadn't had much management experience before joining us and it would have been a bit of a gamble to go around handing out a long term contract which may have had to be terminated that summer, and therefore incurring a massive payoff if things had gone wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 And i'm guessing quite a straight forward answer. When Crouch came in it's clear he was in dialogue with a consortium (fulthorpe etc) about taking over. When a takeover happens at any football club they tend to want to bring their own people in, and especially the manager. It would have been a little bit reckless to hand NP a 3 year contract if the consortium you were in discussions with made it clear they wanted their own man, especially when money was so tight. Also, surely handing NP a short term deal was almost an incentive for him to gout prove he was up to the job? He hadn't had much management experience before joining us and it would have been a bit of a gamble to go around handing out a long term contract which may have had to be terminated that summer, and therefore incurring a massive payoff if things had gone wrong.Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 (edited) I have forgotten him, it is just people on here keep reminding me about him all the time. I want the club to be more united and move on. I would be very suspicious of the Echo's piece as I suspect there are going to be bits hidden away.Until we get independent people looking at the figures and minutes we will get biased views. As for the football team thing, you would be welcome to be my No2, as that is what lots of people say you are...kidding. Well after that last remark..I might just give my body for free.:smt009 Sorry meant to phil and his team COYRs Forum team:smt041 Edited 5 May, 2009 by ottery st mary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 And i'm guessing quite a straight forward answer. When Crouch came in it's clear he was in dialogue with a consortium (fulthorpe etc) about taking over. When a takeover happens at any football club they tend to want to bring their own people in, and especially the manager. It would have been a little bit reckless to hand NP a 3 year contract if the consortium you were in discussions with made it clear they wanted their own man, especially when money was so tight. Also, surely handing NP a short term deal was almost an incentive for him to gout prove he was up to the job? He hadn't had much management experience before joining us and it would have been a bit of a gamble to go around handing out a long term contract which may have had to be terminated that summer, and therefore incurring a massive payoff if things had gone wrong.That is fair but when was the 3 year plan talked about? If LC was holding back not giving him a contract as Fulthorpe was there, why would he talk about a 3 year plan for the same reason.? It is not so cut and dried. RL obviously didnt have any thoughts of keeping NP but i doubt that was in LC's mind when he didnt offer an extended contract.It all doesnt add up and I dont think all the facts are coming to light in an even handed way. I would suspect both sides of the fence are going to get some shocks as time goes on and so I would say to any who are pointing that they be a little careful as it could backfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Good question - probably to make a point to Webster Will we read whatever happened to Webster and Hockaday our they still gardening. Also will it explain the role of Kim van der Waals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 And i'm guessing quite a straight forward answer. When Crouch came in it's clear he was in dialogue with a consortium (fulthorpe etc) about taking over. When a takeover happens at any football club they tend to want to bring their own people in, and especially the manager. It would have been a little bit reckless to hand NP a 3 year contract if the consortium you were in discussions with made it clear they wanted their own man, especially when money was so tight. Also, surely handing NP a short term deal was almost an incentive for him to gout prove he was up to the job? He hadn't had much management experience before joining us and it would have been a bit of a gamble to go around handing out a long term contract which may have had to be terminated that summer, and therefore incurring a massive payoff if things had gone wrong. Sounds perfectly reasonable. But is it not confusing that NP was accredited as being part of this 3 year plan given the above? Not that it matters anymore of course.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Well after that last remark..I might just give my body for free.:smt009 Sorry meant to phil and his team COYRs Forum team:smt041 I had hoped to use your footballing brain but sadly science already had first dibs and the miniscule bit left in the corner of the jar is of little use, so 'go Phil and Ottery's dream team' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 perhaps the Echo might tell you later, but don't tell Minty or Ponty they are not interested Come on Dunc, I know you're sensible enough to appreciate the sentiments behind what Ponty and I meant. It is, of course, always important to learn from the mistakes of the past but I just think there comes a point where you have to let it go, else you can become consumed by it so much that it prevents you getting on. Plus, the people that MADE those mistakes are the ones who need to learn from them, and hopefully we'll have completely new people involved in our club... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Those who do not study history are destined forever to repeat the mistakes of the past... Just ask Hitler how his war on the Russian front went, the same way as Napoleon's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 We all need to vent right now. It's been a **** few years right enough. Those of us who castigated Burley and Lowe from very early on have been totally vindicated. That is all I want to say before moving on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 That is fair but when was the 3 year plan talked about? If LC was holding back not giving him a contract as Fulthorpe was there, why would he talk about a 3 year plan for the same reason.? It is not so cut and dried. RL obviously didnt have any thoughts of keeping NP but i doubt that was in LC's mind when he didnt offer an extended contract.It all doesnt add up and I dont think all the facts are coming to light in an even handed way. I would suspect both sides of the fence are going to get some shocks as time goes on and so I would say to any who are pointing that they be a little careful as it could backfire. So as to not be unprepared should the takeover not go through perhaps? Not saying that LC was perfect or that both "sides" won't have made mistakes but having a 3 year plan sounds sensible to me, even if you are hoping that it won't be needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 So as to not be unprepared should the takeover not go through perhaps? Not saying that LC was perfect or that both "sides" won't have made mistakes but having a 3 year plan sounds sensible to me, even if you are hoping that it won't be needed. That is fine but he knew the takeoever was not going through before the end of the season. I dont think it is as straight forward as you say but the politics at SFC have been so dirty for so long who really knows. G&D appointment seems to be put down as temporary when I thought that they had been given the go ahead, did they speak about a 3 year plan? In hindsight and as a fans hero it is good to be associated with NP at present, lets forget the less savoury. The echo's version needs to be totally free to be even handed in all this , only time will tell who it nails its flag to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 We all need to vent right now. It's been a **** few years right enough. Those of us who castigated Burley and Lowe from very early on have been totally vindicated. That is all I want to say before moving on. IYHO of course Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 5 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 5 May, 2009 nickh, in answer to your earlier question of what Pearson was on, apart from sometimes on his butt, the echo state Poortvliet (£60k) was on five times less than Pearson, so £300k? Also, when I see you in August, I expect you to have lost 3 stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 nickh, in answer to your earlier question of what Pearson was on, apart from sometimes on his butt, the echo state Poortvliet (£60k) was on five times less than Pearson, so £300k? Also, when I see you in August, I expect you to have lost 3 stone.and you put some on. Its like seeing the cast of Olivers hungry workhouse friends on a hunger strike when i see you. Theres more meat on a Quorn burger than there is on you. Thanks for the info though. My daughters getting married in July and so I need to look a little better for the photos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 That is fine but he knew the takeoever was not going through before the end of the season. I dont think it is as straight forward as you say but the politics at SFC have been so dirty for so long who really knows. G&D appointment seems to be put down as temporary when I thought that they had been given the go ahead, did they speak about a 3 year plan? In hindsight and as a fans hero it is good to be associated with NP at present, lets forget the less savoury. The echo's version needs to be totally free to be even handed in all this , only time will tell who it nails its flag to. All depends upon when the takeover finally fell away. Also there will also be many other factors which we don't know about becuase we don't have all the information. Sadly bickering about what happened is a never ending agrument as neither camp were perfect and so there will always be points, however big or small, that can be picked upon to attack whoever RL, MW LC etc... A part of me wants everything out in the open so that I can fully vent my anger however right now there are more important things to worry about than giving me (or others) the chance to shout abuse and blame at Lowe and Wilde. As soon as we have a purchaser and can feel as though we are in a position to start to make progress I will feel a lot calmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Come on Dunc, I know you're sensible enough to appreciate the sentiments behind what Ponty and I meant. It is, of course, always important to learn from the mistakes of the past but I just think there comes a point where you have to let it go, else you can become consumed by it so much that it prevents you getting on. Plus, the people that MADE those mistakes are the ones who need to learn from them, and hopefully we'll have completely new people involved in our club... Minty, do you not have any questions, how, in the space of three years, we have gone from a well run (not in the Red) premiership club, to collecting player wages in a bucket. Do you not have a wish to see where the money went..............'cause I f*****g well do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 All depends upon when the takeover finally fell away. Also there will also be many other factors which we don't know about becuase we don't have all the information. Sadly bickering about what happened is a never ending agrument as neither camp were perfect and so there will always be points, however big or small, that can be picked upon to attack whoever RL, MW LC etc... A part of me wants everything out in the open so that I can fully vent my anger however right now there are more important things to worry about than giving me (or others) the chance to shout abuse and blame at Lowe and Wilde. As soon as we have a purchaser and can feel as though we are in a position to start to make progress I will feel a lot calmer.Clapham I have enjoyed reading your take on the administration.It has helped me ease my worries and then give me more. Would you say from the administrator side opf the fence that you are confident that things will go forward or are you concerned that the people who have made the offer may walk as it is starting to take too much time. I do understand that they would have invested x amount and so will perhaps stay for the long haul but I hate to think they throw their hands up in despair and walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 nickh....here's novel approach............stop worrying yourself to death, wait and see what the outcome is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintgert76 Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 TBH, the mud-slinging has all got very boring. I'm far more concerned with the future than with the past. You are a fool then. How else do we learn from our mistakes if we don't rake over the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Minty, do you not have any questions, how, in the space of three years, we have gone from a well run (not in the Red) premiership club, to collecting player wages in a bucket. Do you not have a wish to see where the money went..............'cause I f*****g well do.I think most of us do.I am confident enough in my assessment of how things went to not worry about what comes out. I have always known RL's failings and i wont be surprised at some of the stupid things he did, but I think some will get disarmed when they see some of the naff things osme of theo thers did as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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