gaz Posted 3 May, 2009 Posted 3 May, 2009 It doesn't matter if he's British, French, Spanish, Iraqi or whereever he's from. If he knows British football (because its very different from European football, and L1 is different to CCC and Prem standards, and I partly mean SCW....lolz) and can do the job, then he's good enough for the job.
brmbrm Posted 3 May, 2009 Posted 3 May, 2009 Ah well, clear out much of the squad, get rid of Wotte, start again with a clean sheet. New start, new owners, new manager, new season, new hope, new expectations. But quite possibly same old misery.
Nineteen Canteen Posted 3 May, 2009 Posted 3 May, 2009 You really are out of touch for a holocaust denier.I would take someone like Gus Poyet as he understands the British leagues and teams but apart from that I know of no other jonny-foreigner who could do the job. Wotte is top of that pile now as a PROVEN failure. WTF??? Way out of order Robbie. I took my grandmother to Auschwitz, have you ever been because there is no ****ing denying it I can tell you. Insult and name call all like Robbie but I think there is a line of what is acceptable and you are way over it you stupid little cvnt.
Wes Tender Posted 3 May, 2009 Posted 3 May, 2009 Wes I don't disagree with most of what you say above but I don't understand the emphasis on 'British'. Its narrow minded at best and could be interpretated as fascist at worst. It is perfectly clear why the emphasis was on having a decent British manager; a British manager is far more likely to a) Understand the British game b) Have a better knowledge of the players who might do a good job for us at this level. c) Have contacts in the game who could be useful d) Communicate better with the British players that we are more likely to have in our team at this level. Of course there are good managers at the top level from other countries, but as we are not likely to be attracting the likes of Mourinho, Scolari, Wenger, Houllier, Benites, etc, perhaps you would care to name me some others that have experience of managing in the British game at this level besides the two you mentioned who actually did play in this country. As it stands, our club's experience of foreign managers even at the level above where we will be playing next season, does not exactly fill other British teams with a desire to follow the Southampton model initiated by the ground-breaking innovator Lowe, does it? If anything, Poortvliet and Wotte have probably set back the cause of foreign managers at anything below the top level and I'd be most surprised if they gained any further employment in the British game after the debacle of their failure here with us. If you categorise these reasons for wanting a British manager small-minded, then who cares? As for you interpreting them as fascist at worst, I find your thought processes to be quite bizarre sometimes.
adethorne Posted 3 May, 2009 Posted 3 May, 2009 Just got back, fans today were just brill, we celebrated all there 3 goals like we had won the fa cup , just about sums our season up, thank god we were already relegrated.
Daren W Posted 3 May, 2009 Posted 3 May, 2009 WTF??? Way out of order Robbie. I took my grandmother to Auschwitz, have you ever been because there is no ****ing denying it I can tell you. Insult and name call all like Robbie but I think there is a line of what is acceptable and you are way over it you stupid little cvnt. But surely he's just using a word or phrase that is "perfectly acceptable in terms of debate or the written word." All Robbie did was compare your blinkered defence of Lowe that runs against the facts to a Holocust denyer whose actions again go against the obvious facts. He's not saying you deny the holcaust you complete and utter retard... It's a bit rich coming from someone who threw a hissy fit when I asked people to think a bit about using the word cancer when describing an old man you think may or may not claim too much in terms of expenses and yet when someone likens you to a holocuast denyer you get on your high horse and flounce around like big girl. He just using words, you're just too stupid to see the comparison to what you said about me nearly a year ago and which you still drone on about... Talk about being a ****ing hypocrite...
70's Mike Posted 3 May, 2009 Posted 3 May, 2009 Just got home, nothing to add .not sure why i went really, suppose the hope i would wake up and see that thr rest of the season was a bad dream , problem is it was all true.
david in sweden Posted 3 May, 2009 Posted 3 May, 2009 It doesn't matter if he's British, French, Spanish, Iraqi or whereever he's from. If he knows British football (because its very different from European football, and L1 is different to CCC and Prem standards, and I partly mean SCW....lolz) and can do the job, then he's good enough for the job. Have to go with that one Gaz, Just look at the Prem, as an example. It's hard to find an ENGLISH manager (a few) and most of those are at the bottom end of the table! There are more Scots than anything...and Benitez, Hiddink and Wenger haven't got UK passports either! Nationality doesn't matter as long as they have a grasp of the English game. League 1 is an enigma to many of us. At best we can hope for someone who has played football at a good level (preferably Prem.)...AND / OR, a former international who has managed at a lower level and someone with good tactical sense. I liked Strachan a lot, but he was very one track and didn't use players that didn't fit into his pattern instead of what he now does Celtic, namely use a formation that utilises the best talents he has in the squad.
Nineteen Canteen Posted 3 May, 2009 Posted 3 May, 2009 But surely he's just using a word or phrase that is "perfectly acceptable in terms of debate or the written word." All Robbie did was compare your blinkered defence of Lowe that runs against the facts to a Holocust denyer whose actions again go against the obvious facts. He's not saying you deny the holcaust you complete and utter retard... It's a bit rich coming from someone who threw a hissy fit when I asked people to think a bit about using the word cancer when describing an old man you think may or may not claim too much in terms of expenses and yet when someone likens you to a holocuast denyer you get on your high horse and flounce around like big girl. He just using words, you're just too stupid to see the comparison to what you said about me nearly a year ago and which you still drone on about... Talk about being a ****ing hypocrite... 2 very different things Daren. The Holocaust happened no debate, Lowe's role in the demise of Saints is open to debate simply because there remains so many unanswered questions. If you think they are the samething you're the retard. Cancer has several and acceptable grammatical uses, Robbie's phrase does not and I don't expect we will be seeing it applied in the media anytime soon to describe someone with an alternative point of view unless specifically discussing the Nazi Death camps. Saint Robbie is morally corrupt for using that phrase even as an alleged analogy and it speaks volumes that you defend him and ridicule me for taking offence. The amount of insults I take in my stride Daren would require a Baj to purcahse a couple of new servers if they were directed at you. Thanks for your input it was enlightening.
Bristol_Benji Posted 3 May, 2009 Posted 3 May, 2009 just thought i'd copy and paste some of the comments from forest forums about the saints fans today. We were awesome, a good atmosphere, and in good humour! 'fantastic applause for Billy and the Boys and Southamptons supporters did their team proud' 'Also fair play to the Saints fans, even dancing when we scored our 1st, 2nd and 3rd.' 'The 3 goals and banter with Soton fans has proved too much for my throat. Credit to the S'oton fans they took it on the chin, was a bit dissapointed we didn't give them much support after the game but we did clap them for a bit in LB.' 'Southampton fans 10/10 or should that be -10/-10.' Crap result, crap season, but we can still have a good time and show what good fans we are
Saints Warrior Posted 3 May, 2009 Posted 3 May, 2009 Just got back, and yes the fans banter was good, but for us as many have said a 2 half game one good the other not. Good view from the seat and better than I rember the ground from the 70/80s
Lord Duckhunter Posted 3 May, 2009 Posted 3 May, 2009 The supporters put the pride back into the Club today. We can go to League 1 with our heads held high after fantastic support. Whatever players play, whoevers in the boardroom,with support like that, we'll be ok.
UncleRay Posted 3 May, 2009 Posted 3 May, 2009 Just back. Sat with Forest friends near to f'ing Rupert! Our support was awesome when viewed from a distance. We have the very best fans bar none. All the Forest round us were commenting on how brilliant our support was. At one point at the end there must have been 20,000 Forest fans applauding our fans. I was proud and honoured to watch our fans being a credit to the Spirit of Southampton. Thanks. COYR
Arizona Posted 3 May, 2009 Posted 3 May, 2009 I went for the atmosphere today, couldn't really give a hoot about the result. "Ooooooooooooooooooh Marian!!!!"
hamster Posted 3 May, 2009 Posted 3 May, 2009 I had a great time thanks in part to those really nice Forest fans, but if I am really honest I am just so glad that this season is now over.....Or is it? And on the way home, I was amazed by the amount pf other fans who wished us well at the service station, Wolves, Liverpool and even the lads serving. Made me proud to be a Saint. Great day out NOT spoilt by the result for once.
Amesbury Saint Posted 3 May, 2009 Posted 3 May, 2009 pleased season is over not many highlights from season
LostBoys Posted 3 May, 2009 Posted 3 May, 2009 I was only listening on the radio but David Armstrong was spot on when he said this the period in the game when we normally concede and he was right. Amateurish and downright crap a big clear out looming from the board downwards - if we make it that is. Thank goodness we can take a break from this perpetual misery - or can we?
hamster Posted 3 May, 2009 Posted 3 May, 2009 I was only listening on the radio but David Armstrong was spot on when he said this the period in the game when we normally concede and he was right. Amateurish and downright crap a big clear out looming from the board downwards - if we make it that is. Thank goodness we can take a break from this perpetual misery - or can we? It wasn't about the football today, it really wasn't.
SaintDonkey Posted 3 May, 2009 Posted 3 May, 2009 Why did I bother to stay up to watch the Championship? The final insult from ITV as they only bother to show one goal from our match. I guess I should get used to it
LostBoys Posted 4 May, 2009 Posted 4 May, 2009 It wasn't about the football today, it really wasn't. possibly not but you can sense my frustration listening on the radio as we rolled over once again irrespective of the 'occasion'
Daren W Posted 4 May, 2009 Posted 4 May, 2009 (edited) 2 very different things Daren. The Holocaust happened no debate, Lowe's role in the demise of Saints is open to debate simply because there remains so many unanswered questions. If you think they are the samething you're the retard. Cancer has several and acceptable grammatical uses, Robbie's phrase does not and I don't expect we will be seeing it applied in the media anytime soon to describe someone with an alternative point of view unless specifically discussing the Nazi Death camps. Saint Robbie is morally corrupt for using that phrase even as an alleged analogy and it speaks volumes that you defend him and ridicule me for taking offence. The amount of insults I take in my stride Daren would require a Baj to purcahse a couple of new servers if they were directed at you. Thanks for your input it was enlightening. Lol Let's get one thing right here you simpleton, two relegations occured under Lowe's stewardship. That's a fact but it's a fact you seem to be ... IN CONSTANT DENIAL OVER... You see Robbie is actually right in likening you to a holocaust denyer. They argue and rant against the most damning of evidence, and with your pathetic, rambling pro Lowe/anti Crouch rants you seem to be more and more in denial with every post. Here's a couple of facts for you. Administration didn't relegate us. The previous board didn't relegate us. The new management team, hired by Lowe, relegated us. We finished second from bottom, administration has nothing to do with our relagation! The previous board has nothing to do with our relegation!! The removal of the manager we had and the hiring of the man who replaced him, that is responsible for our relegation, not administration. Likewise it was the management team hired by Lowe, and subsequently undermined by Lowe, that relegated us the first time. One relegation might be unlucky but two is just plain ****wittery at it's finest... And yet you'd have it that any reference to Lowe' influence is washed away as you rabidly try to blame Crouch and McMenemy for our ills. It's just plain riciulous, the way you're in constant denial about Lowe's role in our demise... You went off on one when I asked whether it was appropriate to liken Lawrie McMnemy to a cancer, as a primary carer I find the comparison rather upsetting and insulting. I never said the word cancer couldn't be used, I'm not some word nazi, Robert Mugabe, Tony Blair, Margret Thatcher, Saddam Hussain, Hitler, Stalin, various despots in history, they're all cancerous, a cancer on society... But an old man who gave this club our only moment of glory in the last 50 years who you feel may or may not be earning too much in expenses? Talk about a hysterical over-action. What a screaming drama queen you are.... But the argument here is words and whether or not they're appropriate in certain contexts... Let's take your ficticious wife, you know the one you wheel out to counter an argument. The "wife" who battled against breast cancer, how proud she must have been to see hubby using the disease she battled and beat to describe an old man you think may have fiddled his expenses. She must have been so proud of you... Now let's take your fictious wife. She's walking home late one night, the lights are dim, the night is dark and foreboding. She's aware she's being followed. She's jumped and brutally assaulted. The effect it has on your relationship is devastating, she's withdrawn; she recoils from your touch. The strain the assault has had on your relationship is immense... You then hear Alan Pardew. Alan bloody Pardew refer to striker ripping a defender by describing it as "He's timed it perfectly. He's a strong boy. He knocks him off - he absolutely rapes him." You'd be fine with that? You wouldn't, like 50 plus MOTD2 viewers, take offence at that and demand that Pardew apologies immediately? It's not the word, it's the context it's used in. The vikings raped and pillaged across europe and I'm sure raped is appropriate in certain contexts but a footballer? Likewise cancerous/cancer, fully appropriate in certain contexts but describing an old you think may or may not be earning too much as a football club ambassador? Oh pur please! It just goes to show how blinkered and obsessive some people (on both sides of the fence) are on this messageboard that they don't care if cancer sufferers or carers think it's a bit much to call Saints' FA cup winning manager as a cancer, as long as they can carry on obsessing and whinging and crying and moaning... In the meantime, thank you showing just how utterly pathetic you are. You can dish it out but the one single moment someone uses a word or phrase you don't like you stamp your feet and cry and sulk like a 13 year old girl... Thanks for your input it was pathetic and retarded.... Edited 4 May, 2009 by Daren W
SaintRobbie Posted 4 May, 2009 Posted 4 May, 2009 (edited) But surely he's just using a word or phrase that is "perfectly acceptable in terms of debate or the written word." All Robbie did was compare your blinkered defence of Lowe that runs against the facts to a Holocust denyer whose actions again go against the obvious facts. He's not saying you deny the holcaust you complete and utter retard... It's a bit rich coming from someone who threw a hissy fit when I asked people to think a bit about using the word cancer when describing an old man you think may or may not claim too much in terms of expenses and yet when someone likens you to a holocuast denyer you get on your high horse and flounce around like big girl. He just using words, you're just too stupid to see the comparison to what you said about me nearly a year ago and which you still drone on about... Talk about being a ****ing hypocrite... That was EXACTLY my point to be honest. Thanks for seeing and explaining that Daren. Its a metaphor, but if you geniuinely took offence 19 I apologise...it's just I wonder whether you arent just using it as an opportunity to attempt to take a moral highground that frankly would be a little more disgusting? I shall presume youre not and just apologise for any offence. However, the term is actually generally used to remind people of the foolishness of denying such a disgusting part of history, and absolutely right that it is used AGAINST fascists and racists who would do such a thing. That context is the one I sign up to for the record. I apologise to everyone for using the term 'jonny-foreigner' though! Edited 4 May, 2009 by SaintRobbie
saintchris23 Posted 4 May, 2009 Posted 4 May, 2009 Daren, Sundance and anyone else for that matter, take the argument out of the forum. You're all grown men and should meet in the Bevois for a pint and see where you end up. The atmosphere today was electric and awesome, so much better than the non event from our so called 'fans' at Wolves who didn't sing a song, even BEFORE kickoff. My Forest mates that I stayed with for the weekend said they've never seen away support like it, have never applauded the away section after the match and can't wait for the rematch when (if) we are at full strength and with something to play for. It was a little like the support we received from the Baggies last season. If we put our minds to it, no matter what the result, we can be the best fans in the world and be welcomed by every team and every county. If we behave like we have done on so many Saturdays/Sundays then we'll be treated as bait for the thugs and the old bill at every ground. Lets keep the love-ins going and the respect growing. Well done lads, we were awesome today and an absolute pleasure being with you. Did anyone else see Leon Crouch, his daughter and Mark Dennis with us in the stands? Watch this space I reckon.
yorkie Posted 4 May, 2009 Posted 4 May, 2009 I'm sorry I missed it - but it's been a hard season to take in love-in or not. The result didn't matter, and if it was the last ever game for SFC 1885 - the fans that were there did us proud. The coming weeks will make more interesting reading than the threads on under par Championship footballers, over paid primadonnas, and Dutch know how! No more Rupert, new money and hopefully a new squad of players with desire. Last season we asked for commitment - we got some this season but there just wasn't the strength, experience or quality. Call me old fashioned but I want it to mean so much more for the players than a fat cheque at the end of the week! Good luck SFC 1885 - business as normal in August?
SaintRobbie Posted 4 May, 2009 Posted 4 May, 2009 I'm sorry I missed it - but it's been a hard season to take in love-in or not. The result didn't matter, and if it was the last ever game for SFC 1885 - the fans that were there did us proud. The coming weeks will make more interesting reading than the threads on under par Championship footballers, over paid primadonnas, and Dutch know how! No more Rupert, new money and hopefully a new squad of players with desire. Last season we asked for commitment - we got some this season but there just wasn't the strength, experience or quality. Call me old fashioned but I want it to mean so much more for the players than a fat cheque at the end of the week! Good luck SFC 1885 - business as normal in August? Golden post nomination. Well said.
eelpie Posted 4 May, 2009 Posted 4 May, 2009 pleased season is over not many highlights from season I did like the photo of Lowe leaving by the Exit door.
rocknrollman no2 Posted 4 May, 2009 Posted 4 May, 2009 Just got back from the game(stayed overnight in Nottingham),and i just have to say our support was fantastic. I wont mention the game,as other posters have already done that.But what i will say is that two things really made a bad day memorable. The first was when we were leaving the ground,it seemed that all of the Forest fans stood up and clapped us out.That made the hairs on my neck stand up. The second was while i was looking out of my hotelroom window,the Saints coaches were passing through some traffic lights,while a crowd of Forest fans stood clapping. As the last coach went by,a blue bus full of Saints fans followed with one lad mooning out of the window. Mate if thats you and you read this,thanks for giving me a good laugh.
Nineteen Canteen Posted 4 May, 2009 Posted 4 May, 2009 Lol Let's get one thing right here you simpleton, two relegations occured under Lowe's stewardship. That's a fact but it's a fact you seem to be ... IN CONSTANT DENIAL OVER... You see Robbie is actually right in likening you to a holocaust denyer. They argue and rant against the most damning of evidence, and with your pathetic, rambling pro Lowe/anti Crouch rants you seem to be more and more in denial with every post. Here's a couple of facts for you. Administration didn't relegate us. The previous board didn't relegate us. The new management team, hired by Lowe, relegated us. We finished second from bottom, administration has nothing to do with our relagation! The previous board has nothing to do with our relegation!! The removal of the manager we had and the hiring of the man who replaced him, that is responsible for our relegation, not administration. Likewise it was the management team hired by Lowe, and subsequently undermined by Lowe, that relegated us the first time. One relegation might be unlucky but two is just plain ****wittery at it's finest... And yet you'd have it that any reference to Lowe' influence is washed away as you rabidly try to blame Crouch and McMenemy for our ills. It's just plain riciulous, the way you're in constant denial about Lowe's role in our demise... You went off on one when I asked whether it was appropriate to liken Lawrie McMnemy to a cancer, as a primary carer I find the comparison rather upsetting and insulting. I never said the word cancer couldn't be used, I'm not some word nazi, Robert Mugabe, Tony Blair, Margret Thatcher, Saddam Hussain, Hitler, Stalin, various despots in history, they're all cancerous, a cancer on society... But an old man who gave this club our only moment of glory in the last 50 years who you feel may or may not be earning too much in expenses? Talk about a hysterical over-action. What a screaming drama queen you are.... But the argument here is words and whether or not they're appropriate in certain contexts... Let's take your ficticious wife, you know the one you wheel out to counter an argument. The "wife" who battled against breast cancer, how proud she must have been to see hubby using the disease she battled and beat to describe an old man you think may have fiddled his expenses. She must have been so proud of you... Now let's take your fictious wife. She's walking home late one night, the lights are dim, the night is dark and foreboding. She's aware she's being followed. She's jumped and brutally assaulted. The effect it has on your relationship is devastating, she's withdrawn; she recoils from your touch. The strain the assault has had on your relationship is immense... You then hear Alan Pardew. Alan bloody Pardew refer to striker ripping a defender by describing it as "He's timed it perfectly. He's a strong boy. He knocks him off - he absolutely rapes him." You'd be fine with that? You wouldn't, like 50 plus MOTD2 viewers, take offence at that and demand that Pardew apologies immediately? It's not the word, it's the context it's used in. The vikings raped and pillaged across europe and I'm sure raped is appropriate in certain contexts but a footballer? Likewise cancerous/cancer, fully appropriate in certain contexts but describing an old you think may or may not be earning too much as a football club ambassador? Oh pur please! It just goes to show how blinkered and obsessive some people (on both sides of the fence) are on this messageboard that they don't care if cancer sufferers or carers think it's a bit much to call Saints' FA cup winning manager as a cancer, as long as they can carry on obsessing and whinging and crying and moaning... In the meantime, thank you showing just how utterly pathetic you are. You can dish it out but the one single moment someone uses a word or phrase you don't like you stamp your feet and cry and sulk like a 13 year old girl... Thanks for your input it was pathetic and retarded.... Most provocative Daren and I trust it makes you feel better. I consider myself very lucky that I have been able to show my wife this post as she remains in remission and doing very well thank you and we sincerely hope your Mum continues her brave fight.
Mole Posted 4 May, 2009 Posted 4 May, 2009 Most provocative Daren and I trust it makes you feel better. I consider myself very lucky that I have been able to show my wife this post as she remains in remission and doing very well thank you and we sincerely hope your Mum continues her brave fight. I'd be careful if i were you Sundance. Or should that be Sid Vicious?
Nineteen Canteen Posted 4 May, 2009 Posted 4 May, 2009 (edited) That was EXACTLY my point to be honest. Thanks for seeing and explaining that Daren. Its a metaphor, but if you geniuinely took offence 19 I apologise...it's just I wonder whether you arent just using it as an opportunity to attempt to take a moral highground that frankly would be a little more disgusting? I shall presume youre not and just apologise for any offence. However, the term is actually generally used to remind people of the foolishness of denying such a disgusting part of history, and absolutely right that it is used AGAINST fascists and racists who would do such a thing. That context is the one I sign up to for the record. I apologise to everyone for using the term 'jonny-foreigner' though! I genuinely took offence and normally don't react that vociferously or complain about the usual insults but I didn't read it as an metaphor but in hindsight can see it now but personally not one I would use. Thank you for the explanation Robbie, apology accepted. Edited 4 May, 2009 by Nineteen Canteen spelling
Born In The 80s Posted 4 May, 2009 Posted 4 May, 2009 Was a great weekend. Like others, i made a weekend of it with a few nights on the **** in Nottingham and i have to say i enjoyed every minute of it. I knew i'd enjoy the beer but by far the most i've enjoyed a game this season and it was all down to our fans. As others have mentioned, it was truely fantastic support. Dare i say it, the best i have experienced since we beat Wimbledon and Selhurst Park all those years ago. Some of the players just don't know how lucky they are to recieve such fantastic support (*cough* Marek Saganowski and Rudi Skacel *cough*). Had loads of chats with Forest fans after the game and it was great chatting to them and hearing what they had to say about us, "premiership fans who deserve a premiership club" was one thing that a Forest fan told me. I very much hope that one day we will indeed return to the premiership along with the likes of Forest. One thing that the weekend did underline to me though is that Southampton Football Club will never die. Before the weekend, i'd lost it with just about everything at the club. The players, the boardroom, the fans, everything. However, yesterday, i was proud to be a saint. Things will get better. So stop squabbling amoungst yourselves about Lowe, Wilde or whoever and stop playing the blame game and keep. Quite frankly, it's boring as hell. We're in League 1 now and i say we embrace it and look forward to the challenge. Plenty of new grounds for us to visit, and plenty of away weekends with ridiculous amounts of beer to drink . Southampton will never die.
Bristol_Benji Posted 4 May, 2009 Posted 4 May, 2009 It was a little like the support we received from the Baggies last season. If we put our minds to it, no matter what the result, we can be the best fans in the world and be welcomed by every team and every county. If we behave like we have done on so many Saturdays/Sundays then we'll be treated as bait for the thugs and the old bill at every ground. Lets keep the love-ins going and the respect growing. Well done lads, we were awesome today and an absolute pleasure being with you. Did anyone else see Leon Crouch, his daughter and Mark Dennis with us in the stands? Watch this space I reckon. Only matches i went to this season and last were Baggies and Forest. Support not normally like that then? Crouch was standing right behind me!. Gotta say Mark Dennis certainly has a mouth on him!
saintchris23 Posted 4 May, 2009 Posted 4 May, 2009 Only matches i went to this season and last were Baggies and Forest. Support not normally like that then? Crouch was standing right behind me!. Gotta say Mark Dennis certainly has a mouth on him! Unfortunately it's very hit and miss. I've only been to three of away games this season and the only game that I enjoyed based on the atmosphere was the Forest game Benji. Again, three games last season away and the best was the Baggies game (apart from being treated by the old bill and their dogs like a bunch of prisoners before the game!). Mark Dennis did say to me "Trust me, we'll be bigger and a lot stronger next season". If that means we'll need to find shorts big enough for Razor Ruddock then no thank you but I'm hoping that someone with passion like Leon (and the business accumen of his accountant!) can re-build our club and get us to where we all want to be. Saints will always win, lose or draw and it doesn't bother me what league we're in. I'm actually looking forward to visiting some new grounds next season before pushing on and enjoying promotion. I loved the game at Pride Park (hated the end result and hated the Rams fans even more for their assault after the game and can't wait until we're a team of promotion candidates again. We're not used to winning much as a club so lets start winning from the bottom up. I'm proud to be a Saints fan.
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