Gingeletiss Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 well actually now that you say that, it sets my mind to work...... could this have actually be the actions of an intelligent man who did so on purpose KNOWING that there would be this ramification which would devalue the club...... all for personal gain, believing that nobody else would want to buy us leaving him to 'SAVE' us and in doing so getting the clubs debts greatly reduced?! Maybe a bit of a wild theory but it could make sense?! You are closer than you think......I've been saying this for the last coupleon months, hence I want him to fail!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 well actually now that you say that, it sets my mind to work...... could this have actually be the actions of an intelligent man who did so on purpose KNOWING that there would be this ramification which would devalue the club...... all for personal gain, believing that nobody else would want to buy us leaving him to 'SAVE' us and in doing so getting the clubs debts greatly reduced?! Maybe a bit of a wild theory but it could make sense?! Exactly what I have been banging on about, but few listen I'm afraid Lowe is devious, calculating, and IMHO lies through his teeth. The LAST thing he ever wanted was INVESTORS coming in to spoil his PLC He cares nothing for Football, and dismisses us Supporters as CUSTOMERS He was ousted before, but did not walk away. Thanks to Judas Wilde, he was allowed back in. Contrary to what Stanley thinks, since the VERY DAY that we went into Admin, I have thought that it is part of Lowe's "Master Plan" to get full control of SFC on the CHEAP, and until a deal is done with "others", which excludes Lowe and Wilde completely, nothing and nobody will convince me otherwise I relly do hope that the MLT Consortium is one that can win the day, because anything else involving Lowe will spell The Final Curtain for Saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 There are probably two consortia bidding to buy Saints and MLT might be connected to one of them. Lowe is not/is connected to one of them. There are no big ships around. Mark Fry is really, really good at his job (according to most gushing posters on here). The Candy brothers are not involved. Lowe is still a big berk. Does HE shop at Ikea???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Stanley - the same person who told me MLT would be making his support known for one lot also told me that souness was one of the other bidders. and on the basis that he was spot on with MLT I'm going to believe he might be right about Souness. Not sure how I'd feel about him, but he's a football man and at this stage in the game, anyone other than the old bunch of useless overpaid under educated idiots would do. Im off to watch paint dry and hope something happens soon! I'd be hapy with Souness, he could be manager too. He'd certainly be an improvement on Wotte! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint77 Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Does HE shop at Ikea???? or arcadia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 or arcadia Now there's a thought.....cruise anyone??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Contrary to what Stanley thinks, since the VERY DAY that we went into Admin, I have thought that it is part of Lowe's "Master Plan" to get full control of SFC on the CHEAP And i'll tell you one very good reason why you are wrong. If Lowe was intent on picking up the pieces post admin he'd have put us into admin before the deadline. The reason him and Wilde left it til the last minute was because they were desperately trying to save their investments til the time ran out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Exactly what I have been banging on about, but few listen I'm afraid Lowe is devious, calculating, and IMHO lies through his teeth. The LAST thing he ever wanted was INVESTORS coming in to spoil his PLC He cares nothing for Football, and dismisses us Supporters as CUSTOMERS He was ousted before, but did not walk away. Thanks to Judas Wilde, he was allowed back in. Contrary to what Stanley thinks, since the VERY DAY that we went into Admin, I have thought that it is part of Lowe's "Master Plan" to get full control of SFC on the CHEAP, and until a deal is done with "others", which excludes Lowe and Wilde completely, nothing and nobody will convince me otherwise I relly do hope that the MLT Consortium is one that can win the day, because anything else involving Lowe will spell The Final Curtain for Saints So RL and allies would intentionally lose their shareholdings only to buy back again???Ok they would buy it back cheaper but they still would be purchasing what they had just lost. It doesn't add up. Would it not be more credible that others who wouldnt want to deal with RL's group wish for them to fail and so buy it cheaper or on the floor? As i said we could go on lots of conspiracy theories. If RL did come back then Id be more willing to believe it but if he is not part of any of the groups what then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Does HE shop at Ikea???? Ginge is that a rumour of the people ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 .... re .... WHO appointed Fry's Company ..... I know what you're trying to get at and for the upteenth time - STOP SCAREMONGERING - Lowe is not coming back. Hi Stanley .... As you won't answer my original question, may I ask you .... HOW are you so sure that Lowe is not coming back, and are you prepared to bet on it ??? I would have thought that NOBODY can be sure of anything at the moment .... but on the Lowe theme, you did sound quite sure /// Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 And the worst case is sure to be better than Lowe and Wilde. unless it is them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Lowe is like a spoilt brat...will not be told AND is still hovvering. Please God no never nae more will the Wilde Rupert play anymore.....PLEASE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 But its not that straightforward nick since the club is not in administration. and if we're to believe that an appeal can be won then the club itself will be unharmed, just the parent companys fall out with its creditors. Im sure theres much more to this than meets the eye. what little I did find out leads me to believe that all interested parties know roughly want they will pay for the club but they have to make guesses on how much money will be needed long term to try and actually turn it around? remember, in the main, football clubs dont make money - except them big buys at the other end of the spectrum to us, and even then theres only a handful who make money. Even less straightforward, SLH is in administration and has assets and isn't broke but SFC is solvent and owes all the liquid debt, the overdraft, the creditors, to the tune of about £6m so the only write off will be the stadium owned by a third company. SFC has no assets except the players who if we are wound up become free agents. If SFC avoid winding up there won't be a CVA as the new owners will have to pay it's debts. The league is going to have massive problems with this. They have gone off half ****ed, so their rules will not be appropriate as they have no jurisdiction over the public company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Ginge is that a rumour of the people ? nick, it's as good as some of the others being touted on here, and one I've heard from a non-football person. Please note..........Rumour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 and Kelvin Davis is player of the season Oh yes, I forgot about his least bad player in Godawful team award. Did he drop it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Hi Stanley .... As you won't answer my original question, may I ask you .... HOW are you so sure that Lowe is not coming back, and are you prepared to bet on it ??? I would have thought that NOBODY can be sure of anything at the moment .... but on the Lowe theme, you did sound quite sure /// Yes i'm prepared to bet on it. Do you have a paypal account? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 So RL and allies would intentionally lose their shareholdings only to buy back again???Ok they would buy it back cheaper but they still would be purchasing what they had just lost. It doesn't add up. Would it not be more credible that others who wouldnt want to deal with RL's group wish for them to fail and so buy it cheaper or on the floor? As i said we could go on lots of conspiracy theories. If RL did come back then Id be more willing to believe it but if he is not part of any of the groups what then? Of course I do not know the "nuts and bolts", but I am convinced that Lowe and Wilde are still looking "Long Term" ..... They came together for some reason, does anybody know WHAT that reason was .... because it certainly was Sod All to do with Football, all Lowe's actions went a long way to destroying Southampton Football Club .... NOBODY can argue against that now I just cannot understand why a lot of people on here dismiss Lowe as History .... I wish he was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Yes i'm prepared to bet on it. Do you have a paypal account? What's the stake ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 What's the stake ??? Well i don't believe we should make the stake too high as it's not my style to fleece friends. Shall we say £10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 What's the stake ??? Beef and rare for me cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 What's the stake ??? The loser has to get an "I Love Lowe" tattoo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 and dont forget, the Guernsey boys arent out of the running yet. Its Souness, them, and MLTs property guys - I wonder what the odds are down at Corals!! I will take any one of those bets ......how much you want to put on . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 What's the stake ??? Wooden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 And surely now is the time to keep quiet, keep things close to your chests before we end up slagging of anyone that is in the running to save our club, we all know that bids are on the table so let us leave it to the experts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Stanley and Richmond...Double barreled shotguns at dawn...Let us get it sorted out now.....But I insist you allow Rupert to have a blindfold first...Ignore his last request.....It would be give his shares to jonah or nick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Just so it's in black and white. My Bet: That Lowe is not involved in the next takeover. Your Bet: That Lowe is involved in the next takeover. The loser pays the winner £10 through paypal. Agreed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Well i don't believe we should make the stake too high as it's not my style to fleece friends. Shall we say £10? Stanley ..... £10 is hardly the sort of bet from a man that is adamant that Lowe will not return ...... but if your confidence only stretches to what is after all just a few pints, then I'll go along with it Believe me Stanley ... IF it proves that my favorite person HAS gone from Saints forever ..... I would gladly buy you a drink anyway ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Stanley ..... £10 is hardly the sort of bet from a man that is adamant that Lowe will not return ...... but if your confidence only stretches to what is after all just a few pints, then I'll go along with it Believe me Stanley ... IF it proves that my favorite person HAS gone from Saints forever ..... I would gladly buy you a drink anyway ....... SaintRichmond believe you me I am a betting man. Shall we make it £50 then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Just so it's in black and white. My Bet: That Lowe is not involved in the next takeover. Your Bet: That Lowe is involved in the next takeover. The loser pays the winner £10 through paypal. Agreed? I'll hold the stakes if you like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 And surely now is the time to keep quiet, keep things close to your chests before we end up slagging of anyone that is in the running to save our club, we all know that bids are on the table so let us leave it to the experts Unless I've missed something there is still only one offer. As far as I can see the other two or even three have yet to put in an offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Just so it's in black and white. My Bet: That Lowe is not involved in the next takeover. Your Bet: That Lowe is involved in the next takeover. The loser pays the winner £10 through paypal. Agreed? Not quite ........ I'm not a lawyer, and don't know the jargon It could well be that Lowe himself will not be ACTUALLY involved in any negotiations .... he can use a "voice" for that What I am saying is that at the end of the day, Lowe will be back at St Mary's, unveiled AFTER Fry "awards" the Takeover/Call it what you will Even I don't think Lowe would be stupid enough to make it known that he may be a "sleeping partner" in any bid ....... but he IS there in the background ..... I can Smell it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 he IS there in the background ..... I can Smell it What a skill. You should take up divining for water or gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Unless I've missed something there is still only one offer. As far as I can see the other two or even three have yet to put in an offer. Maybe you have but lets just for arguments sake say the only bid is the guernsey lot and we do not want that. There nothing to talk about then ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Not quite ........ I'm not a lawyer, and don't know the jargon It could well be that Lowe himself will not be ACTUALLY involved in any negotiations .... he can use a "voice" for that What I am saying is that at the end of the day, Lowe will be back at St Mary's, unveiled AFTER Fry "awards" the Takeover/Call it what you will Even I don't think Lowe would be stupid enough to make it known that he may be a "sleeping partner" in any bid ....... but he IS there in the background ..... I can Smell it I see, so in effect you want a period of grace after the takeover to assertain whether Lowe is involved or not. What timescale are you looking at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 What a skill. You should take up divining for water or gold. I have ........ I have a stall in the middle of the Sahara ........ water from a gold chalice ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Lets face it, you have money to invest but you will need attendances to be high in whichever division you are in so why would you want such a hated figure involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Maybe you have but lets just for arguments sake say the only bid is the guernsey lot and we do not want that. There nothing to talk about then ! They are not the bidder. Who the bidder is I don't know. but it is not any of the Guernsey two, Pinnacle, the first party who did due diligence week ending 24th April, it's the second party that did due diligence that week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 I see, so in effect you want a period of grace after the takeover to assertain whether Lowe is involved or not. What timescale are you looking at? No, I'll place the bet with you now, but what I have been saying is that LOWE WILL BE BACK ....... I've never said that he is at the nub of any negotiations ...... just that when all the dust settles, he will be back You are wording the bet that I am saying that he is "involved" in the takeover ........ No, he's too cagey for that .........and that is not what I am saying Wilde was his vehicle for his triumphant "Second Coming" ..... a consortium (if Fry deems it successful ) would herald yet another " Entry Into Rome " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 4426 posts... that must make you the Ken Barlow of TSW If thats the case then Um Pahars is Norris;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 No, I'll place the bet with you now, but what I have been saying is that LOWE WILL BE BACK ....... I've never said that he is at the nub of any negotiations ...... just that when all the dust settles, he will be back You are wording the bet that I am saying that he is "involved" in the takeover ........ No, he's too cagey for that .........and that is not what I am saying Wilde was his vehicle for his triumphant "Second Coming" ..... a consortium (if Fry deems it successful ) would herald yet another " Entry Into Rome " So your saying he'll use a given consortium as a trojan horse. Ok. So shall we give it 1 month after the takeover is announced before the bet is decided. And forget the £50, £10 is enough for a fun bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highfield Saint Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Even less straightforward, SLH is in administration and has assets and isn't broke but SFC is solvent and owes all the liquid debt, the overdraft, the creditors, to the tune of about £6m so the only write off will be the stadium owned by a third company. SFC has no assets except the players who if we are wound up become free agents. If SFC avoid winding up there won't be a CVA as the new owners will have to pay it's debts. The league is going to have massive problems with this. They have gone off half ****ed, so their rules will not be appropriate as they have no jurisdiction over the public company. The football club is simply an asset of SLH and it can be sold just as any other asset of SLH can be sold. There is not necessarily a tie in between the refinancing (through a sale to new owners) of SFC and the question of the stadium and debt surrounding the stadium. It would of course be in the interests of the admin to link the two transactions but in theory if SFC is well (comparatively) funded then the continuance of rental and other income from the stadium will more than service the SLH stadium debt especially if sufficient working capital is provided to the football club to increase the quality of its covenant. In this scenario it isnt beyond the realms of possibility that the football club deal could be secured cheaply and easily and be followed by the refinancing of the stadium and (to a much smaller degree) SLH. The complicating issues then become the other assets required to run the football club (Staplewood) and the structure of the deals on these assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treggs23 Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 oh when will there be some news...my manager will be questioning my productivity if this goes on much longer.arrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 So your saying he'll use a given consortium as a trojan horse. Ok. So shall we give it 1 month after the takeover is announced before the bet is decided. And forget the £50, £10 is enough for a fun bet. OK Stanley ... £10 or £50 ... whatever you want My "simple " bet is ...... Lowe will be back, as I am (in my own mind) convinced he is part of (though secrecy prevails at the moment) of a bid/consortium/ etc I do not want to be right, I hope I am not ....... if I lose, I will gladly pay up.........who knows, perhaps we could meet up for a pre match pint at the first home game ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 OK Stanley ... £10 or £50 ... whatever you want My "simple " bet is ...... Lowe will be back, as I am (in my own mind) convinced he is part of (though secrecy prevails at the moment) of a bid/consortium/ etc I do not want to be right, I hope I am not ....... if I lose, I will gladly pay up.........who knows, perhaps we could meet up for a pre match pint at the first home game ?? Richmond You have done your Money . IMHO Regards CM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martel Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Stanley - the same person who told me MLT would be making his support known for one lot also told me that souness was one of the other bidders. and on the basis that he was spot on with MLT I'm going to believe he might be right about Souness. Not sure how I'd feel about him, but he's a football man and at this stage in the game, anyone other than the old bunch of useless overpaid under educated idiots would do. Im off to watch paint dry and hope something happens soon! I am getting past the stage of caring now, as long as it is a good deal that is put together; and as long as they are not called Rupert, Alginon, Riafe or some other poncy name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Alginon, Algie was Biggles wingman,have you no respect for the past:):) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Richmond You have done your Money . IMHO Regards CM Agreed, when obsessions start costing you money you have to seek help.:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 OK Stanley ... £10 or £50 ... whatever you want My "simple " bet is ...... Lowe will be back, as I am (in my own mind) convinced he is part of (though secrecy prevails at the moment) of a bid/consortium/ etc I do not want to be right, I hope I am not ....... if I lose, I will gladly pay up.........who knows, perhaps we could meet up for a pre match pint at the first home game ?? Your bet can't doesn't cover a timescale though which is why i suggest a month for the outcome to be decided. In effect if accepted your terms you couldn't lose as you could keep saying it may happen tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Richmond You have done your Money . IMHO Regards CM I assume that means I've "lost" it ??? As i said, no worries, it's not Monte Carlo is it ?? Stanley has one opinion, I have another ............ Freedom of speech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Your bet can't doesn't cover a timescale though which is why i suggest a month for the outcome to be decided. In effect if accepted your terms you couldn't lose as you could keep saying it may happen tomorrow. I think it fair to say, and assume, that once Mr Fry announces the winning "bid", then everybody will know who they are, and who is involved. Whether they announce straight away who they are bringing in is in the lap of the Gods But for the sake of our bet, OK, say a month........ If by then, no Lowe, you win .............. ......... (then, one day later .......... ) PS. are we on for that drink pre match ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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