saintbletch Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 They obviously did with MLT's tenuous connection plastered everywhere. Why would any substantial bidder need to leak like a sieve? Except to buy time. Because if I'm a middle-man property consultant on a commission and I let it be known that I can pull a deal together and get it blessed by MLT, I might get more potential bidders using my services? Cynic moi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Because if I'm a middle-man property consultant on a commission and I let it be known that I can pull a deal together and get it blessed by MLT, I might get more potential bidders using my services? Cynic moi? We'll soon see whether they are substantial, it's probably just as well time is running out. The consultant reminds me of the types on here 18 months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 If he can get more than one bid then he can try to get them to bid higher against each other - hard to do with only one! But, as Derry has said, he runs the risk of losing the one bid he has if he waits too long. Then again, Mark Fry knows what he is doing so hopefully he gets it right and gets the best possible price! With apologies to the creditors, especially the small tradespeople, I hope Fry gets it wrong. The less any purchaser has to spend on buying the club means more (in theory) left to spend on rebuilding it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoswellSaint Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 With apologies to the creditors, especially the small tradespeople, I hope Fry gets it wrong. The less any purchaser has to spend on buying the club means more (in theory) left to spend on rebuilding it. Good point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 ego? Ego you say? tbh I am surprised that the egos on this forum have not melted the internet. And although this thread is based on such a serious premise as the future (if any) of our club, it is with out doubt a most entertaining read for us who are not in the know. Carry on boys. Round 2, come out fighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 if both interested parties (although say both but didn'y Fry confirm that 4 now completed due diligence?) look decent options I have a suggestion. We are clearly a club that doesn't like stability in boardroom or managers so how about ..they timeshare? Fry sells off options to own the club for a month at a time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 I'm a bit confused - is gavyn davies involved?! Don't think so, unless things have changed since last week All quiet on the Salz front I'm told. These NDA agreements are holding firm. Such a drag. All I hear is, "anything can happen" Regards Morph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Don't think so, unless things have changed since last week All quiet on the Salz front I'm told. These NDA agreements are holding firm. Such a drag. All I hear is, "anything can happen" Regards Morph So is there any conection between the two sentences in bold,or are they completely independent of the other ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 if both interested parties (although say both but didn'y Fry confirm that 4 now completed due diligence?) look decent options I have a suggestion. We are clearly a club that doesn't like stability in boardroom or managers so how about ..they timeshare? Fry sells off options to own the club for a month at a time! I'm sure I read somewhere that Fry (or it might even have been Wotte) said that 2 parties dropped out once we'd been relegated. With affection like that for the club, it's probably a good thing they did... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 The media use the forum, definitely Solent, Radio Hampshire and the Echo. Then I suggest, with respect Derry, that you calm down a bit....I understand your frustration but.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 He's waited 12 days tomorrow, if he doesn't get a bid shortly there may well be just the one. I can't see him hanging on much longer. perhaps the bid in is not good enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Then I suggest, with respect Derry, that you calm down a bit....I understand your frustration but.... Oh my god, this place just get's more sureal. It's a poxy messageboard and all Derry is doing is commenting on stuff already posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Look, whilst it is a rather simplistic view, there are two parties interested in buying, and therefore saving this club we all support - with the possible exception of 19C that is (!!!) - one has their bid in and the other, by all accounts, are rushing to put theirs together. A few weeks ago we feared we would not have a club to support or just as bad was the prospect that Lowe would try to buy it on the cheap and carry on his mad experiments ! lets all calm down, let the people who have to do their jobs get on with it and may the best bid win. None of us have crystal balls, none of us know which will turn out the best so lets not start *****ing at each other cos we all want the same thing - a bright future for Southampton FC - and if people are willing to put a lot of money in to save the club then so do they !! A strange comment to make and I will take it as good humoured banter;). Still nice to see we have a unified approach going into the dawn of a new era and not arguing over who should be running the club based on rumour and conjecture. Lets start undermining bids and promising boycotts because we are in a strong position to be able to this aren't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Fellow posters get on with it...What a load of tosh put on this subject...Peeps suggesting prospective investors will withdraw if someone has got a bigger handbag than the other consortia...Are they that fragile...What the hell next...They're either in or they're not....Let them get on with it..Mr Fry or these top business peeps are not going to worry about a few words and a bit of handbags at five paces on this forum. IF THERE IS A DAY OR TWO DELAY NO WORRIES IT IS ALL ABOUT TO LIFT OFF SOON.... I was just wondering if Dickos Toms from Norwich have made enough money yet to put their bid in.....Sounds like they took most of his pocket money at Carrow Road... Only joking Dicko.. Salz is our man to lead us in the coming yearssss....Hope he is still in.....Who is this Mr Lowe that is hovering....Sorry couldn't resist......Hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 A strange comment to make and I will take it as good humoured banter;). Still nice to see we have a unified approach going into the dawn of a new era and not arguing over who should be running the club based on rumour and conjecture. Lets start undermining bids and promising boycotts because we are in a strong position to be able to this aren't we? Well Gordon, so long as Lowe isn't involved the new owners will be guarenteed unity for a certain period. Of course there will be Trolls who will soon turn against them should club heros like le Tissier or McMenemy endorse them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 The media use the forum, definitely Solent, Radio Hampshire and the Echo. Solent? Is their a gardening forum on here that I have missed or one devoted to popular music with an expired copyright. As for the Echo this forum must be on the payroll, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Surely even the laziest of low-rent hacks can see that this thread is pure speculation, assumption, conjecture and bulls**t (in even measures)..... ....then again, maybe not. Don't buy the Echo too often then Ponty. There is nothing low-rent about McMenemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 good point well made! if someone wants to spend £40m on a business in the international media (well sometimes) with a customer base of 30,000 plus income from tv etc there is no way on earth they will not buy it due to a forum viewed by 100 odd fans. No, but about 50 of those fans believe they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Solent? Is their a gardening forum on here that I have missed or one devoted to popular music with an expired copyright. As for the Echo this forum must be on the payroll, is it? I have no affinity for the BBC, but Solent's coverage on Saints is superb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 I have no affinity for the BBC, but Solent's coverage on Saints is superb. Maybe Pat but its the other 23 hours and 45 minutes that I have trouble dealing with although Julian Clegg's show on the point deduction day was very good. I thought he tried really hard to act bothered didn't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Don't buy the Echo too often then Ponty. There is nothing low-rent about McMenemy. I buy the Echo just to read McMenemy's column. It makes a welcome change to read hear the views proper football man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 I buy the Echo just to read McMenemy's column. It makes a welcome change to read hear the views proper football man. I agree if he sticks to football issues on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Oh my god, this place just get's more sureal. It's a poxy messageboard and all Derry is doing is commenting on stuff already posted. Oh Stanley you've just summed it up - "Oh my god, this place just get's more surreal. It's a poxy messageboard" Then why are you sitting there all day long posting then watching...? What you or I think matters very little so let them get on with it -THEN when they tell us what's going on it's our turn..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Well, as we all wait for the decisions seems yet another League side is going into Administration and possible oblivion. If things don't work out for us could see us taking their place in the Blue League. Not a nice thought so hope Mister Fry has better news pretty quickly. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/c/chester/8034470.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Well Gordon, so long as Lowe isn't involved the new owners will be guarenteed unity for a certain period. Of course there will be Trolls who will soon turn against them should club heros like le Tissier or McMenemy endorse them.Not Gordon B of Winchester??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Oh Stanley you've just summed it up - "Oh my god, this place just get's more surreal. It's a poxy messageboard" Then why are you sitting there all day long posting then watching...? What you or I think matters very little so let them get on with it -THEN when they tell us what's going on it's our turn..... I do find some of the reactions on here amusing - not picking on matron's message here particularly. The most side-splitting are those imploring fellow posters to "calm down for a few days", "sit back and wait for more news etc". It's almost as if some people think or believe that members of this forum are in some way relevant to the present processes of finding a new owner. If Mark Fry and others involved in the ACTUAL PROCESS are throwing tantrums, making threats, spreading smears or leaping to conclusions on threadbare information, I'd be worried. If posters do that on here, it really doesn't matter a jot. I take the same view of people "spinning"...derry, it really doesn't matter. The decision is not some form of online poll of Saints fans, it's a hard-haeded business decision made by Mark Fry. You really don't need to "draw lines in the sand". That really is pompous and self-important. This isn't the bloody Alamo FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinhk Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Well, as we all wait for the decisions seems yet another League side is going into Administration and possible oblivion. If things don't work out for us could see us taking their place in the Blue League. Not a nice thought so hope Mister Fry has better news pretty quickly. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/c/chester/8034470.stm I reckon it's good we went into admin when we did - at least we managed to get ourselves at the head of the queue for buyers. When the 20th football club calls in the administrators there will be no more money men around. :smt048 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 (edited) I reckon it's good we went into admin when we did - at least we managed to get ourselves at the head of the queue for buyers. When the 20th football club calls in the administrators there will be no more money men around. :smt048 but we still not seen the colour of anyones money or bid yet and their may not be any,at the moment its all talk, the fact is that we have to raise money to pay the bills along with a certain exdirector who are footing the bills show how close we are to the edge. Edited 6 May, 2009 by solentstars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 understand we have seen the colour of someone's money and second group today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 It will be interesting to read the comments on here if the only bid is withdrawn and the others don't come in. My real worry is how close the football club is to being wound up. Any real delay could cause that. There probably isn't enough time even to effect a rescue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 understand we have seen the colour of someone's money and second group today One bid only, everything else is conjecture. It would make things a lot easier if there was only one bid. Maybe not for the shareholders but for everybody else. The club's creditors as opposed to the SLH creditors would probably favour that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 It will be interesting to read the comments on here if the only bid is withdrawn and the others don't come in. My real worry is how close the football club is to being wound up. Any real delay could cause that. There probably isn't enough time even to effect a rescue. i agree it worries me how close the football club is to being wound up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 i agree it worries me how close the football club is to being wound up. indeed....supported Dover Athletic full time doesnt appeal to me too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Its so very quiet, yet the crucial 21st is only a fortnight away.......either people are sticking admirably to their NDA's.........or they are getting cold feet.....odd that there is so very little rumour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 I reckon it's good we went into admin when we did - at least we managed to get ourselves at the head of the queue for buyers. When the 20th football club calls in the administrators there will be no more money men around. :smt048 100% There are quite a few who are ready to go under and even in the CCC some held back by some miracle...maybe a review to be held.....will be an interesting few weeks ahead for football.....watch out pompey.:smt075 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Its so very quiet, yet the crucial 21st is only a fortnight away.......either people are sticking admirably to their NDA's.........or they are getting cold feet.....odd that there is so very little rumour Why set your store on rumour? Most of those on here have proven to be a bunch of arse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Don't buy the Echo too often then Ponty. There is nothing low-rent about McMenemy. Please give it a rest. You bleat on about most posters on here having a vendetta against Lowe and Wilde but continue yours against McMenemy and Crouch. Pot/Kettle? Sadly the good points that you occaisionally make are lost in the faux antagonistic persona that you like to portray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 I think it'll happen folks but these things are always last minute. With the -10 and relegation, buyers are going to nail the best deal they can out of Aviva and Barclays. Fry knows this as well but will also have to look after the creditors first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 I'm sure I read somewhere that Fry (or it might even have been Wotte) said that 2 parties dropped out once we'd been relegated. With affection like that for the club' date=' it's probably a good thing they did...[/quote'] Ironically, they could have been Two Big Guns that WOULD have put money into a CCC side, to get it back to the Prem I fear what we have left now is just a "Make Do And Mend" situation, and the biggest fear I have is that Relegation has played us into the hands of your friend and mine Fry will not do a deal purely for the benefit of SAINTS ..... he will accept the best deal all round, mainly to the benefit of creditors, debtors etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oz Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 lowe out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 One bid only, everything else is conjecture. It would make things a lot easier if there was only one bid. Maybe not for the shareholders but for everybody else. The club's creditors as opposed to the SLH creditors would probably favour that. Reading your posts of late, and in lieu of your bubket rattling, i'm a little bit confused. Do you have a vested interest in the original bid being accepted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 lowe out! Has Skacel signed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSaint75 Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Ironically, they could have been Two Big Guns that WOULD have put money into a CCC side, to get it back to the Prem I fear what we have left now is just a "Make Do And Mend" situation, and the biggest fear I have is that Relegation has played us into the hands of your friend and mine Fry will not do a deal purely for the benefit of SAINTS ..... he will accept the best deal all round, mainly to the benefit of creditors, debtors etc Will you please give it a rest about Lowe coming back, it aint gonna happen, why would it (hypothetical question, I don't want an answer) Maybe we have 2 big guns with more money to invest now we are in L1? works both ways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Fry will not do a deal purely for the benefit of SAINTS ..... he will accept the best deal all round, mainly to the benefit of creditors, debtors etc He will do a deal soley to the benefit of the creditors. If that means no more SFC, but more money to the creditors, then that's what he will take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 i agree it worries me how close the football club is to being wound up. unlikely as offer on the table - those made offer would have gone through due diligence and know what minimum is required to keep club going. Would suggest that worse case is not particularly exciting offer but enough to keep club going and the club is saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 unlikely as offer on the table - those made offer would have gone through due diligence and know what minimum is required to keep club going. Would suggest that worse case is not particularly exciting offer but enough to keep club going and the club is saved. And the worst case is sure to be better than Lowe and Wilde. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Farmer Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 unlikely as offer on the table - those made offer would have gone through due diligence and know what minimum is required to keep club going. Would suggest that worse case is not particularly exciting offer but enough to keep club going and the club is saved. Exactly. Why Derry thinks one offer is better than two offers to choose from is highly conspiratorial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Exactly. Why Derry thinks one offer is better than two offers to choose from is highly conspiratorial. Any idea if we will hear something today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Maybe we have 2 big guns with more money to invest now we are in L1? works both ways NOt really (IMHO) as the debt resolution and level is the same in either division - the creditors, AVIVA and Barclays will not be swung by what division we are in when it comes to agreeing terms - the issue really is whether the bidders have ANYTHING in teh tank after they have purchased the club and agreed the debt, let alone how much. We need to be realistic in our expectations, but hope the bidders rather than having wads of cash, have the credibility to come to the best aggrements with AVIVA - teh ideal on being renegotiated terms that are affordable - eg clauses for promotion and relegation - AVIVA get all their cash and we have the stadoium at an affordable repayment.. Simply dumping creditors with 20p in the pound is likely to see heavier points deductions. Above all, we should in a way be greatful that some bidders pulled out when relegation was cionfirmed as it sorts out those who were doing this as an investment opportunity to make a return , v those with Saints genuinely in their hearts - which is preferred right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 And the worst case is sure to be better than Lowe and Wilde. yep i remember some posters saying the same about wilde when he took over from lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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