Greenridge Posted 29 August, 2008 Share Posted 29 August, 2008 But to say we'd support his ideas if he became an murder, it's not a surreal example it's a completely daft one. Supporting his ideals regarding running a football club, yes. I haven't got a clue what else he does. I'm not a Lowe fan-boy. Couldn't give a sh1t about what he does in the city etc. I just like the way he runs our club. Simple really. In that case Bloop I wouldn't class you as a luvvie but someone who believes in something and supports it where credit is due. Not that we should be trying to pigeon-hole fans anyway. There are some however, who would support him regardless of what he did and it's these people with a strangely slanted view of their Messiah that seem to get people's backs up. He's done some very good things for the Club and some which are not so good but to blindly believe everything he touches turns to gold is not reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 29 August, 2008 Share Posted 29 August, 2008 I guess you don't read the forum too much if you think Scooby is the only one. Plenty more can be added but that's hardly the point I was making. How about Sunny D for starters. There are others of course.... Almost certainly another troll but a more subtle one that scooby (its like good cop bad cop). I suspect though that if you ask him if he still would support Lowe if he became as axe murderer he would say no. Maybe he will say so himself?? So beyond those two who else do you think fills your spec for being a lowe lovie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 29 August, 2008 Share Posted 29 August, 2008 I'm sorry Prof but I strongly disagree with this comment and submit a prime, if not extreme example, of Scooby. As was mentioned by someone earlier this week it is not that the majority are anti-Lowe but they do object to getting pro-Lowe comments rammed down their throats at every opportunity. It is this aspect which appears to keep the 'divide' ongoing. Nickh offered a definition of 'Lowe-Luvie' on a thread recently. However whilst I agree with some of what he wrote, in my humble opinion, a Lowe-luvie (I hate that description) is not someone who see's the good in what Lowe is doing (I think the majority would agree he is doing some very good things for the Club, albeit by necessity rather than choice) but the bloody-mindedness of some who will support him and would continue to support his ideas if he became an axe-wielding murderer. A surreal example I grant you but you get my drift.I myself am seen as very pro Lowe but I have never defended his decision to try and bring back GH. Stupidly I still do not regret my stance against him,even though we are now in a lower league. If RL had suceeded in bringing him back I was going to hand my s/t back.Whether i would have been able to never go and watch Saints again is hard to tell.No doubt the pull of the club would be too much and Id return.I recall at the time that RL was going to install GH just before the Pompey game and if we had beaten them many of us would warm to him again.. Iam very loyal until I am let down and so I suspect I would be a rabid anti RL now if he had employed GH. That is how I see it, whether I would have made such a sacrifice and just shrugged my shoulders and got on with I really wouldnt be aqble to say for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 29 August, 2008 Share Posted 29 August, 2008 So beyond those two who else do you think fills your spec for being a lowe lovie? Pedg I have no intention in entering a debate relating to specifics on who is and who isn't a 'lowe-luvie'. Bear in mind this is not a phrase I coined or condone and certainly not one I have 'spec'd'. The point I was trying to make, and this is my last comment on the matter, is that reasonable people will take on board the facts in hand and make a balanced judgement as they see fit. Some, however, will insist in ramming biased opinion down your throat irrespective of the evidence which can be contrary to their argument. This is where I feel much of the ill-feeling is generated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 29 August, 2008 Share Posted 29 August, 2008 Pedg I have no intention in entering a debate relating to specifics on who is and who isn't a 'lowe-luvie'. Bear in mind this is not a phrase I coined or condone and certainly not one I have 'spec'd'. The point I was trying to make, and this is my last comment on the matter, is that reasonable people will take on board the facts in hand and make a balanced judgement as they see fit. Some, however, will insist in ramming biased opinion down your throat irrespective of the evidence which can be contrary to their argument. This is where I feel much of the ill-feeling is generated. And I am trying to point out that most of the people doing the ramming of bias prolowe opinions are trolls who's only aim on this forum is to generate the ill feeling you mentioned and in terms of normal posters on this forum there are none that meet your description despite you claiming 'There are others of course'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 29 August, 2008 Share Posted 29 August, 2008 ...... There are some however, who would support him (Lowe) regardless of what he did and it's these people with a strangely slanted view of their Messiah that seem to get people's backs up. He's done some very good things for the Club and some which are not so good but to blindly believe everything he touches turns to gold is not reality. I dispute absolutely, that being opposed to anti-Lowe rhetoric and actions, is the same as being 'pro-Lowe'. It is probably true that one attitude does encourage response from the other, but a bit like John Cleese in the Faulty Towers episode on The Germans and the war, its not always clear who started it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_barmy_saints_army Posted 29 August, 2008 Share Posted 29 August, 2008 i think will will slowly climb up the league, and then who knows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 29 August, 2008 Share Posted 29 August, 2008 And I am trying to point out that most of the people doing the ramming of bias prolowe opinions are trolls who's only aim on this forum is to generate the ill feeling you mentioned and in terms of normal posters on this forum there are none that meet your description despite you claiming 'There are others of course'. You asked Greenridge to name names of the so called Lowe Luvvies and you say that "most" of those ramming the pro Lowe bias are trolls. The word "most" infers quite a few people, so to put things the either way around, perhaps you could suggest who you have in mind as the trolls. Scooby without doubt. Who else? And these trolls take this action to stir up discontent? To what end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 29 August, 2008 Share Posted 29 August, 2008 Could the club start a new category of membership for 'Trolls' some of whom would be pro-Lowe Trolls and some anti-Lowe trolls and some neutral Trolls. Maybe there could be a pro and anti register on a seperate website. Possibilities abound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 29 August, 2008 Share Posted 29 August, 2008 What has liking or not liking Rupert Lowe to do with being realistic or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 29 August, 2008 Share Posted 29 August, 2008 (edited) You asked Greenridge to name names of the so called Lowe Luvvies and you say that "most" of those ramming the pro Lowe bias are trolls. The word "most" infers quite a few people, so to put things the either way around, perhaps you could suggest who you have in mind as the trolls. Scooby without doubt. Who else? And these trolls take this action to stir up discontent? To what end? Scooby is definitely a troll. You only have to look at sundance winding up Daren W to see that he is almost certainly a troll as well (though a cleverer one than scooby). Besides that until Greenridge says who he thinks all these lowe lovies are I can't really say if they are trolls or not. All obviously IMO which is why I tend to put in lots of maybe's and most's as I would not want to come over implying any absolute knowledge (except for scooby who definitely IS a troll). Edited 29 August, 2008 by pedg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red and White Army Posted 29 August, 2008 Share Posted 29 August, 2008 . The word "most" infers quite a few people, so to put things the either way around, perhaps you could suggest who you have in mind as the trolls. You're a complete anti-Lowe troll for a start. You troll the crap out of anything to do with Lowe or the board and it's sad, boring and pretty damn immature at the end of the day. I wish you would take a draught from the mug of "Shut the f*** up" to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 29 August, 2008 Share Posted 29 August, 2008 You're a complete anti-Lowe troll for a start. You troll the crap out of anything to do with Lowe or the board and it's sad, boring and pretty damn immature at the end of the day. I wish you would take a draught from the mug of "Shut the f*** up" to be honest. That told me, didn't it? My oh my. I'm quaking in my boots. I admit that I'm very anti Lowe and have been since the morally bankrupt events of the reverse takeover. But I have also said many times that I wish that the whole lot of them would sell up and leave the running of our club to others. If what I write bothers you so much, perhaps you would do your blood pressure some good by ignoring it, or better still read up the meaning of "troll". Invariably I am responding to provocative posts by trolls rather than starting them. What is sad is that on an internet forum the stock reply to anything that is disagreeable is to say that it is b*llocks, or some other insult. But still, that is far easier than having to think of a intelligent and reasoned reply, isn't it? Pedg responded to my question in an adult and mature manner. Shame that you are not capable of the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 29 August, 2008 Share Posted 29 August, 2008 Personally I would have liked to see Pearson working alongside JP. But with the above, us in the middle ground, like to hear both sides of the debate. The red and white Army rant never appears to be aimed at the other side of this reasoned debate. None deserves to be told to shut up. OK I will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 29 August, 2008 Share Posted 29 August, 2008 Pedg responded to my question in an adult and mature manner. First time for everything I guess :smt048:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 29 August, 2008 Author Share Posted 29 August, 2008 as another thread centres on Lowe... my point was those claiming to be "realistic" were not. They were pessimistic. those criticised for being "unrealistic" and happy clappy were not. They were optimistic. Who knows who we will do -no one. But we are looking better than last season when we stayed up so hopefully the relegated by Christmas posts -and there were quite a few - will be very wide of the mark. Enjoy the ride.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 29 August, 2008 Share Posted 29 August, 2008 as another thread centres on Lowe... my point was those claiming to be "realistic" were not. They were pessimistic. those criticised for being "unrealistic" and happy clappy were not. They were optimistic. Who knows who we will do -no one. But we are looking better than last season when we stayed up so hopefully the relegated by Christmas posts -and there were quite a few - will be very wide of the mark. Enjoy the ride.... People who are optimistic tend to admit to it. People who are pessimistic are more likely not to admit it so hide behind the term realist. Confusingly at the moment I am optimistic about tomorrow but past experience has shown that that may not be good so I am pessimistic because of my optimism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 29 August, 2008 Share Posted 29 August, 2008 People who are optimistic tend to admit to it. People who are pessimistic are more likely not to admit it so hide behind the term realist. Confusingly at the moment I am optimistic about tomorrow but past experience has shown that that may not be good so I am pessimistic because of my optimism! I think you are now making a good job of taking the ****, about time somebody did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 Be interesting to hear your definition of struggling nick because we have lost 3 of 4 and JP has now lost as many as NP did in his entire spell here (13 games). And if memory is right you were one of those saying NP was ****? We are struggling and having expectations like you have isn't going to help the lads at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 The 'realists' never were realistic because they had nothing to base their negative attitudes upon except predudice against Rupert Lowe. Disliking the chairman was never going to be a basis for having any opinion about how good JP was as a manager, or how well his team could play. The realists also proved to be poor at predicting the club's transfer policy and at judging which players should be in the team. I think we got a pretty good indication after todays purile performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 as another thread centres on Lowe... my point was those claiming to be "realistic" were not. They were pessimistic. those criticised for being "unrealistic" and happy clappy were not. They were optimistic. Who knows who we will do -no one. But we are looking better than last season when we stayed up so hopefully the relegated by Christmas posts -and there were quite a few - will be very wide of the mark. Enjoy the ride.... After today ...I have a horrible feeling that not many are going to enjoy the ride this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 Be interesting to hear your definition of struggling nick because we have lost 3 of 4 and JP has now lost as many as NP did in his entire spell here (13 games). And if memory is right you were one of those saying NP was ****? We are struggling and having expectations like you have isn't going to help the lads at all. you are wrong I did not say NP was #### . Its about time fans understood that with a side full of kids you are going to have up and down performances. Why do fans come on glorying in our demise? Stand back and assess the fact that we have played 3 games in a week.Whoever scored first today was going to struggle to get back into the game.If Lallana had a chance go in ,Blackpool would have struggled in the heat to get back into the game and the kids would have passed the ball better as they would have relaxed a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 you are wrong I did not say NP was #### . Its about time fans understood that with a side full of kids you are going to have up and down performances. Why do fans come on glorying in our demise? Stand back and assess the fact that we have played 3 games in a week.Whoever scored first today was going to struggle to get back into the game.If Lallana had a chance go in ,Blackpool would have struggled in the heat to get back into the game and the kids would have passed the ball better as they would have relaxed a little. I assume that you mean 'whoever conceded first' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 I'm sure NickG will realise he was a little hasty in generating this thread. Our form can only be assessed over a longer period than a few games and the knee-jerk reaction that is shown for both good and poor performances in this short period is exactly that - a knee-jerk. It does however give an indication of where we are and it's not where we'd want to be that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 Be interesting to hear your definition of struggling nick because we have lost 3 of 4 and JP has now lost as many as NP did in his entire spell here (13 games). And if memory is right you were one of those saying NP was ****?. Three wins from 14 is ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 I assume that you mean 'whoever conceded first' ? Might have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 you are wrong I did not say NP was #### . Its about time fans understood that with a side full of kids you are going to have up and down performances. Why do fans come on glorying in our demise? Stand back and assess the fact that we have played 3 games in a week.Whoever scored first today was going to struggle to get back into the game.If Lallana had a chance go in ,Blackpool would have struggled in the heat to get back into the game and the kids would have passed the ball better as they would have relaxed a little. I was actually talking about the nick who started the thread But i 100% agree with you people shouldn't be glorying anything hence why i said my post. We need to be realistic and he wasent being. If that was an Alpine or DD post he would of been all over it like flies to **** so it is only right it goes the other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 Three wins from 14 is ****. and how many defeats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 I was actually talking about the nick who started the thread But i 100% agree with you people shouldn't be glorying anything hence why i said my post. We need to be realistic and he wasent being. If that was an Alpine or DD post he would of been all over it like flies to **** so it is only right it goes the other way.I always thought the original thread was a bit premature but some fans on both sides are nursing wounds and want to thrash out when they have the opportunity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 are we going to struggle? or were the happy clappy optimists (like me) who thought we were better than laast year and will not be relegated realistic after all? Judging after three league games is totally unrealistic, and even allowing for todays game which equates to relegation form, it is still being totally unrealistic. We will need 10 games, maybe 20 and arguably the entire season to give a fair reflection of how we are doing. Numpties coming on after one good performance are as naive as those crucifying a young team after two games. What's worse is those that feel the need to come on here and pontificate after a good performance. Rather than take heart from a good win, for some reason they feel they need to come on here and wave their dikc around and rub their fellow fans nose in it, just because they were slightly more cautious/worried with how the season would go. Similarly those that come on here crucifying other fans when we have just lost would be better off keeping schtum, as ultimate it means our Club is in the mire. As supporters we all have different views on what the future holds and it doesn't mean jack sh17t if we are realistic, optimistic, pessimistic et al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Shot Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 Judging after three league games is totally unrealistic, and even allowing for todays game which equates to relegation form, it is still being totally unrealistic. We will need 10 games, maybe 20 and arguably the entire season to give a fair reflection of how we are doing. Numpties coming on after one good performance are as naive as those crucifying a young team after two games. What's worse is those that feel the need to come on here and pontificate after a good performance. Rather than take heart from a good win, for some reason they feel they need to come on here and wave their dikc around and rub their fellow fans nose in it, just because they were slightly more cautious/worried with how the season would go. Similarly those that come on here crucifying other fans when we have just lost would be better off keeping schtum, as ultimate it means our Club is in the mire. As supporters we all have different views on what the future holds and it doesn't mean jack sh17t if we are realistic, optimistic, pessimistic et al. The voice of sanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 30 August, 2008 Author Share Posted 30 August, 2008 Be interesting to hear your definition of struggling nick because we have lost 3 of 4 and JP has now lost as many as NP did in his entire spell here (13 games). And if memory is right you were one of those saying NP was ****? We are struggling and having expectations like you have isn't going to help the lads at all. no your memory is wrong. ps he has only won the same amount already too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 30 August, 2008 Author Share Posted 30 August, 2008 Judging after three league games is totally unrealistic, and even allowing for todays game which equates to relegation form, it is still being totally unrealistic. We will need 10 games, maybe 20 and arguably the entire season to give a fair reflection of how we are doing. Numpties coming on after one good performance are as naive as those crucifying a young team after two games. What's worse is those that feel the need to come on here and pontificate after a good performance. Rather than take heart from a good win, for some reason they feel they need to come on here and wave their dikc around and rub their fellow fans nose in it, just because they were slightly more cautious/worried with how the season would go. Similarly those that come on here crucifying other fans when we have just lost would be better off keeping schtum, as ultimate it means our Club is in the mire. As supporters we all have different views on what the future holds and it doesn't mean jack sh17t if we are realistic, optimistic, pessimistic et al. fair but seem but the point was some slagged them all off after a total of zero games! Still early days and posted my thoughts on other thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 30 August, 2008 Author Share Posted 30 August, 2008 I'm sure NickG will realise he was a little hasty in generating this thread. Our form can only be assessed over a longer period than a few games and the knee-jerk reaction that is shown for both good and poor performances in this short period is exactly that - a knee-jerk. It does however give an indication of where we are and it's not where we'd want to be that's for sure. maybe shouldn't have posted it and maybe bit of immature reaction to the posts and pm received previously -in which case sorry to all. I do however standby the feelings I have about the writing off of players and managers prematurely and hoped I had made that clear as the motive behind this. As said several times I have no problem with others being pessimistic and all of our predictions are just that -predictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 30 August, 2008 Share Posted 30 August, 2008 I myself am seen as very pro Lowe but I have never defended his decision to try and bring back GH. Stupidly I still do not regret my stance against him,even though we are now in a lower league. If RL had suceeded in bringing him back I was going to hand my s/t back.Whether i would have been able to never go and watch Saints again is hard to tell.No doubt the pull of the club would be too much and Id return.I recall at the time that RL was going to install GH just before the Pompey game and if we had beaten them many of us would warm to him again.. Iam very loyal until I am let down and so I suspect I would be a rabid anti RL now if he had employed GH. That is how I see it, whether I would have made such a sacrifice and just shrugged my shoulders and got on with I really wouldnt be aqble to say for sure. Hand in your season ticket on a principle...when you and others have been critical in the past of people who stay away because of Lowe ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 23 September, 2008 Share Posted 23 September, 2008 The actual "realists" know we are in for a very tough long season where every early point gained will be vital. So enjoy these 2 wins, feel happy about them as i do, but dont be arrogant about them because that just sets you up for a fall. 1 month later and looks like the realists were realistic then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 23 September, 2008 Share Posted 23 September, 2008 1 month later and looks like the realists were realistic then Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 23 September, 2008 Share Posted 23 September, 2008 we will walk this league ....on our knees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 25 October, 2008 Share Posted 25 October, 2008 are we going to struggle? or were the happy clappy optimists (like me) who thought we were better than laast year and will not be relegated realistic after all? An interesting thread to revisit in view of recent events.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 25 October, 2008 Share Posted 25 October, 2008 Tbh, the depth and seriousness of this crisis now transcends piissing contests... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 25 October, 2008 Share Posted 25 October, 2008 Three wins from 14 is ****. That is what scooby said about Pearson. After 13 games Portaloo has lost 7 games, 4 more than Pearson did in 14 games. Pearson also won the same number 3, but he did draw 7 whereas portaloo has drawn 3. Portaloo has a worse record than Pearson. Pearson took over a demoralised team in free fall and managed to eke out enough results. Portaloo took over before the season, decided what players he wanted to retain and had weeks to get the team ready before the season started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Shot Posted 25 October, 2008 Share Posted 25 October, 2008 Tbh, the depth and seriousness of this crisis now transcends piissing contests... trouble is I can't see the solution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 25 October, 2008 Share Posted 25 October, 2008 In fairness, Poortvillet's squad is f**king shiite compared to even Pearson's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 25 October, 2008 Share Posted 25 October, 2008 Three wins from 14 is ****. Funniest comment I've read on here all day. Forget being bitten on the ar*se, that comment has come back, pulled his trousers down and raped him with a telegraph pole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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