eelpie Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 If the league reviewed the video tape and the match ended early then the game would have to be replayed in theory. In reality we will have no chance of this happening. It will depend on the FL's interpretation of the rules. We all know they are an unbiased and credible organisation, and I have full confidence in Mr Mahwhinny's fair and impartial judgement, especially after he has consulted with the rest of the league clubs, who will want the best for Southampton Football Club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 (edited) Funny you should say that actually, because I specifically looked at the clock when the 4 minutes was displayed, and the clock read 89 minutes 30 seconds. Ok it's only half a minute, but adds to the amount of time he missed. As I said, the stadium clock isn't the official time - also, the clock stops at 90:00 and always has done, so he couldn't have used that to time the additional minutes anyway. I set my alarm based on when the board was held up and then we made a substitution in injury time which should have added a further 30 seconds on top of the original 4. Edited 27 April, 2009 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 There was a lot of confusion.The medical staff ran on to see to PW the tunnel was pulled forward and then the ref who seemed worried about the propect of fans coming on the pitch called time.It was only when i saw Perry shake hands with a Burnley player did I realise the game was over. The ref shook hands with a Saints player first. It will be evident on the match video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Gas canisters??? Must be some strong bastard as I could hardly lift one when I used to buy them at that depot next to Millbrook Rec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 If the league reviewed the video tape and the match ended early then the game would have to be replayed in theory. In reality we will have no chance of this happening. I think in practise the guillotine for the FA/League accepting a result is 75 minutes of play. Before that it would be a replayed match, after that generally the score stands. Obviously there's some room for manoeuvre in extreme circumstances. That Mirror article is some really lazy, incorrect reporting, and no mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Law 5 states: "The referee shall act as timekeeper and keep a record of the game." More importantly, the catch-all: "The decisions of the referee regarding facts connected with play, including whether or not a goal is scored and the result of the match, ARE FINAL." Apply that to Law 7: "The allowance for time lost is at the discretion of the referee." and you will see that any complaints on matters relating to the officiating of the match are doomed to failure. The basic premise of football is that the referee's decision is final. If he says: "I played four minutes additional time, according to my stop-watch," nobody, not even the FA, can argue with him. The principle is that the referee has primacy, and the FA would not dare to do anything to undermine that. And nor should they. Then why do the match officials announce " The match will be played for a MINIMUM of four minutes."? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I didn't hear a whistle in the Northam, I thought he had let the challenge on Wotton go and then stopped the game when players pointed out the seriousness. The whistle was heard elsewhere and it was obviously early, but then again we had a ridiculous three mins in the first half so that balanced that out. He was a **** but he didn't effect the result, or our position in the table. Though my personal favourite was when he gave McGoldrick offside for running along with the ball.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 FWIW, the ref did not actually blow up for the foul on Paul Wotton... as Wotton fell to the ground, the ref was actually blowing for full-time then. I clearly heard the three distinct blows. Then the players were gesturing for assistance for Wotton, and a few other players started to shake hands etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Though my personal favourite was when he gave McGoldrick offside for running along with the ball.... Not only that, but the linesman who gave it initially (despite McG not passing the ball) was stood more or less in line with the centre circle, then when he realised what was happening and that he'd screwed up, he snuck himself ten yards down the touchline to try and claim he'd given offside for McGoldrick's later pass to Euell (who was behind the ball and onside of the last defender - not to mention that the linesman wasn't even looking at the action by then as he was already flagging for the non-pass back up the pitch!). I wasn't too keen on the ref lecturing Burnley players for late fouls which he clearly hadn't seen, either, though if he'd actually seen more than one of the late challenges I'd have preferred it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 The elderly linesman in front of the Kingsland in the 2nd half was probably the worst I have ever witnessed (and that takes a lot of doing) ! He got everything wrong, whilst not favouring either side he just was cr@p, throw ins, corners, offsides, the lot ! The ref was carbage as well but to be fair he had very little support ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 27 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I looked at my watch and we had played 2;30 to 2:40 of extra time. When i looked back up I thought the pitch invasion was during normal time, ref leaving pitch, possible big trouble (you can see how attention i was paying....). So on that basis, he didn't play enough by over a minute. BUT. The clock on the TV was about 89:00 when the extra 4 minutes was added, so possibly the clock on the TV was wrong time, in which case its about OK. I'd much rather we didn't invade the pitch during the game time; more point deduction? I can categorically state the first person on the pitch - who had clambered over the hoardings adjacent to the 18 yard penalty area opposite the Kingsland - was a good 30 seconds after the referee (prematurely) ended the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewStiles Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 bearing in mind we stayed up with a result at Upton Park once when the ref blew prematurely due to a pitch invasion I don't think we can have any complaints. That was quite a bizarre ending. I was in the West Ham end as I couldn't get a ticket for the Saints end and I have a strong suspicion that Monkou deliberately scored the own goal that turned a 2-3 win into a 3-3 draw. The game had already been interrupted because of a pitch invasion and so when the match was restarted Saints already knew that they were staying up with just a draw. As soon as the goal was scored by Monkou the ref blew the whistle and all the players ran to the tunnel as the fans came on. I remember Monkou rising up above all the other players and not under much of a challenge (if any) he gently nodded the ball into the corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 The elderly linesman in front of the Kingsland in the 2nd half was probably the worst I have ever witnessed (and that takes a lot of doing) ! He got everything wrong, whilst not favouring either side he just was cr@p, throw ins, corners, offsides, the lot ! The ref was carbage as well but to be fair he had very little support ! They nearly scored from a cross after the ball clearly went out for a throw-in Kingsland side. However, it was the other lino that didn't give Alexander (I think it was him, the Gypo with the hair band) offside, when he was at least a yard off for their second goal. May be he didn't think he was interfering with play because he got beaten in the air at the far post LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tttdcs Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Actually the 4 minutes is not correct...its at least 4 minutes, add on for any substitutions, injuries, time wasting you continue or until Arsenal/Man U equalise ;-) Jeff Winter ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 That was quite a bizarre ending. I was in the West Ham end as I couldn't get a ticket for the Saints end and I have a strong suspicion that Monkou deliberately scored the own goal that turned a 2-3 win into a 3-3 draw. The game had already been interrupted because of a pitch invasion and so when the match was restarted Saints already knew that they were staying up with just a draw. As soon as the goal was scored by Monkou the ref blew the whistle and all the players ran to the tunnel as the fans came on. I remember Monkou rising up above all the other players and not under much of a challenge (if any) he gently nodded the ball into the corner. He was fouled by the renowned wife beater, Lee Chapman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 That was quite a bizarre ending. I was in the West Ham end as I couldn't get a ticket for the Saints end and I have a strong suspicion that Monkou deliberately scored the own goal that turned a 2-3 win into a 3-3 draw. The game had already been interrupted because of a pitch invasion and so when the match was restarted Saints already knew that they were staying up with just a draw. As soon as the goal was scored by Monkou the ref blew the whistle and all the players ran to the tunnel as the fans came on. I remember Monkou rising up above all the other players and not under much of a challenge (if any) he gently nodded the ball into the corner. It was a deliberate own goal. I spoke to somebody who was with the players the evening after the match and he said that when they were in the dressing room after the first invasion they knew the other results and that Saints would be safe with a draw. They all agreed that at the first opportunity they would score a goal to 'equalise' and then all run for cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 FWIW, the ref did not actually blow up for the foul on Paul Wotton... as Wotton fell to the ground, the ref was actually blowing for full-time then. I clearly heard the three distinct blows. Then the players were gesturing for assistance for Wotton, and a few other players started to shake hands etc. That does explain why the managers started shaking hands at that point, long before the players did. Presumably the reason the players didn't start shaking hands straight away was that they knew Wotton was quite seriously injured. I could only see his legs from the Northam and they didn't move from the moment he hit the ground. In that case he blew up a good 90 seconds early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 I always run my stopwatch through the match so that I can monitor the added time. I was watching the referee right at the end and he blew for the foul and immediately blew a couple more times to signal the end of the match. When I looked at my watch again it showed 3 mins 38 secs. The referee is the only arbiter of timekeeping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 Speak to Radio Hampshire. I was listening while watching in the ground and I am fairly confident that they said there was one minute of injury time left just before the incident. They also seem as confused as everyone else in the ground because they were unsure if the ref had blown for the foul or time. The whole officiating crew were total pants and should be struck off their respective lists although I doubt much will happen. HTH. Just to reinforce this post. I was listening to the same radio programme. The commentator clearly informed the listeners that there were four minutes of stoppage time to play. When the injury to Wotton occurred i heard the referee's whistle, it seemed rather long to be just for a foul and the commentator made comment to the fact that things seemed serious for Wotton, I imagined then that the whistle was long and shrill calling for the physio's attention. Almost immediately the commentator said that it seemed the game was over and the ref had in fact blown for time. i must admit I was not clock watching but thought that the four minutes seemed to have gone very quickly. The commentator himself did seem a tad confused by what was happening with Wotton and where the ref was going! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 For all the referees, it was a lesson in how not to end a match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 For all the referees, it was a lesson in how not to end a match. For all the referees, it was a lesson in how not to referee a match IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 For all the referees, it was a lesson in how not to referee a match IMO. I think the phrase is: 'he'll be disappointed with that'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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