FloridaMarlin Posted 25 April, 2009 Posted 25 April, 2009 Interesting by-line. Alex Montgomery is Lawrie Mac's oldest journalist mate, from way back in the days when he used to work for The Sun and pay Lawrie for all his exclusives. If Alex Montgomery has done a story about Saints, it hints to me he's been fed it by Lawrie. In that case, it won't be Lowe's camp stirring things up (he works through Charlkie Sale, anyway) but Lawrie. Now why would he want to stir things up by planting stories like this around? Perhaps to chivvy up recalcitrant interested parties? Answers on a postcard, please.
wireframebox Posted 25 April, 2009 Posted 25 April, 2009 Tamesaint said: Up to now the NDA's seem to have been very well observed. There have been no hints or leakages - even on this forum!!! Why therefore has the ban now "apparently" been broken - in Lowe's favourite newspaper? Perhaps because this is just pure fabrication, and therefore nothing has been disclosed? I certainly hope so.
dignified_blunderer Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 I would support chelsea if this happens.
Nineteen Canteen Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 alpine_saint said: That will be me finished with SFC, and a lot of other people too after what he has put everybody through this season. Lowe, Askham and Richards back in the boardroom - it doesnt even bear thinking about. Why can they get their claws out of our club and leave us in peace ? It will certainly demonstrate what they think of their customer base - the fans. And I think there should be a criminal investigation if this happens, because it will make the circumstances and timing of going into administration look very suspicious. A lot of people lost a lot of money because of his actions The club will miss your contributions Alps. Still better than no club at all eh?
Nineteen Canteen Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 saint lard said: I truly believe we need a complete clean sweep,i'm sorry but i don't want any of them near SFC ever again. I agree but beggars can't be choosers. I think though we are forgetting there are at least two bids on the table and the article in the Mail states a bid of £10m - which doesn't sound that great when I thought they were hoping for at least half that again. May not be winning bid.
Nineteen Canteen Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Quote from yesterday's Business Section in the Times from an article re the suspension of two directors at WH Ireland. 'Mr Lowe is the executive chairman of Southampton Football Club, whose holding company has fallen into administration. He is leading a legal appeal after the administration cost the beleaguered club a ten-point penalty.' Now as far as I am aware Rupert Lowe resigned after Administration and no longer has anything to do with the club. Furthermore, wasn't he Chairman of SLHplc and not the club. Now either this is a very sloppy piece of journalism or it is assuming we know the future structure and what Rupert Lowe is or will be working on. Trousers will love this in the morning, nice and juicy conspiracy theory to get his teeth into.
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Oh dear! What have I been saying about my gut instincts? Please let me be wrong!
TNT Posted 26 April, 2009 Author Posted 26 April, 2009 FloridaMarlin said: Interesting by-line. Alex Montgomery is Lawrie Mac's oldest journalist mate, from way back in the days when he used to work for The Sun and pay Lawrie for all his exclusives. If Alex Montgomery has done a story about Saints, it hints to me he's been fed it by Lawrie. In that case, it won't be Lowe's camp stirring things up (he works through Charlkie Sale, anyway) but Lawrie. Now why would he want to stir things up by planting stories like this around? Perhaps to chivvy up recalcitrant interested parties? Answers on a postcard, please. What sort of proof do you have that Lawrie had money for exclusives ? Accusations like that are highly libelious i would of thought for the owners of this forum.
dubai_phil Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Double ouch.... There was some speculation yesterday and some not overly happy faces apparently, so much so that I posted what some felt may be happening on another thread (about Lowe & WH Ireland and mentioned what sort of two horse race we were in on Derry's thread). Nobody knows anything but the word used was "I have a bad feeling", whether it was because rumour that somebody had leaked something to the Mail or what who can tell. If this DOES have any mileage, expect to be bombarded with the dirty laundry from all sides... Time to start praying that if this is true that there is some real competition out there. Crap
Legod Third Coming Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 He won't come back, relax. The bank and administrators have had their fill of dealing with idiots.
thorpie the sinner Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 I am feeling sick!!!! Lets hope this just chivvies up new, fresh owners!!!!!!!
70's Mike Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 sun is shing then i read this i just cannot believe that anyone would be prepared to buy SFC and bring rupert back, it would be the most crazy business decision since employing an unknown dutchman to run a mans football team and staff if it with kids, Seriously not a penny in season ticket money would leave this house if rupert has anything to do with it, so that is a grand they have lost already
thorpie the sinner Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Quote sun is shing then i read this i just cannot believe that anyone would be prepared to buy SFC and bring rupert back, it would be the most crazy business decision since employing an unknown dutchman to run a mans football team and staff if it with kids, Seriously not a penny in season ticket money would leave this house if rupert has anything to do with it, so that is a grand they have lost already Thing is Mike, there are a lot of people who would think the same! It would be utter madness!!!!!!!!!!! might as well throw your money down the drain!! we need a fresh start, a start where Lowe can never touch us again!
Legod Third Coming Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 thorpie the sinner said: Thing is Mike, there are a lot of people who would think the same! It would be utter madness!!!!!!!!!!! might as well throw your money down the drain!! we need a fresh start, a start where Lowe can never touch us again! That's whay the bank and administrator would not countenance a return. There would be no income from any ticket sales...
thorpie the sinner Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 MLt seemed to know one of the local consortia although he couldn't mention name!!! If He thought that Lowe was involved, he would have been beside himself I think!!! heres hoping anyway
dubai_phil Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 An interesting point and a possible tactical error. If the only choice between a football club and nothing is Lowe, then although the revenues and fan base would be through the floor, as others have said, Lowe would be prefereable to nothing, simply because at SOME point in the future there would be a hope that a passing billionaire could buy us, but if we were dead, he'd simply put flowers on the grave..... The PROBLEM is that of course it is possible that (IF RUMOURS ARE TRUE) Lowe would NOT be involved in the only bid. In this case we have to start to think where we as fans and where the fan groups stand. We can't simply have a Let's go Wilde moment, but it maybe that the support of the fan groupings and possibly their funds become important allies to stave off the disaster of a Lowe return. I get the feeling that Fry is a really bright and good guy, and will know what needs to be done. The problem will be that the rules of admin are quite clear, he has to get the best deal for the CREDITORS, not the club, so if this is true then I would expect he is likely to have more sleepless nights than us. Imagine having no legal alternative but to accept his bid when I am sure he would know what it would mean morally. Dear Lord please let it be no more than ITK crud or simple scare-mongering
Legod Third Coming Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 dubai_phil said: An interesting point and a possible tactical error. If the only choice between a football club and nothing is Lowe, then although the revenues and fan base would be through the floor, as others have said, Lowe would be prefereable to nothing, simply because at SOME point in the future there would be a hope that a passing billionaire could buy us, but if we were dead, he'd simply put flowers on the grave..... The PROBLEM is that of course it is possible that (IF RUMOURS ARE TRUE) Lowe would NOT be involved in the only bid. In this case we have to start to think where we as fans and where the fan groups stand. We can't simply have a Let's go Wilde moment, but it maybe that the support of the fan groupings and possibly their funds become important allies to stave off the disaster of a Lowe return. I get the feeling that Fry is a really bright and good guy, and will know what needs to be done. The problem will be that the rules of admin are quite clear, he has to get the best deal for the CREDITORS, not the club, so if this is true then I would expect he is likely to have more sleepless nights than us. Imagine having no legal alternative but to accept his bid when I am sure he would know what it would mean morally. Dear Lord please let it be no more than ITK crud or simple scare-mongering I think the creditors would want a say Phil. And unless they are well and truly mental they would not want to go through the whole thing again in 12 months...
thorpie the sinner Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 I am going to pray that the clubgets a lucky break, god knows we could do with some luck!! Bring on next week, we need to plan ahead now! When are the next bills due?
dubai_phil Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Legod Third Coming said: I think the creditors would want a say Phil. And unless they are well and truly mental they would not want to go through the whole thing again in 12 months... In reality though it depends what deal they are offered. If they get a sensible settlement with no forward loading then why should they "give a toss". The buyers could just switch to HSBC with no overdraft, and there is no stadium debt. Just means the local suppliers get screwed, think we know how a hard assed businessman would view that - "there's a recession, do business our way or we'll go elsewhere" Tax & Vat won't care as long as they get paid... Don't look to the creditors to turn down the only bid in town, just join them in praying they have a choice
manji Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Its a superb bit of disinformation I reckon probably fed by one of the weaker consortiums.Wouldnt be at all surprised if McMenemy (or one of his associates) was behind it. It has had the desired effect hysteria and panic by the less perceptive fans. Cue panic headlines in The Echo when one of their hacks wakes up and starts surfing the net for stories.
NickG Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Stanley said: I mentioned about Tom Scott donating £1,000 the other day and asked why alarm bells were ringing but no-one answered. If he's a mate Lowes then he can **** right off with his bid as far as i'm concerned. sorry to make it worse - it was £10,000
Toomer Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 I said some time ago that Lowe might have a money man in the back ground keeping his powder dry so that he could get back in, I hope not we just need a fresh start.
NickG Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 would you accept Tom Scott if (just bit of hypothetical fun) he offered £15m transfer kitty for div 1 money to keep Kelvin, Size etc Shearer on 4 yrs contract but Lowe as chairman??!!
TNT Posted 26 April, 2009 Author Posted 26 April, 2009 manji said: Its a superb bit of disinformation I reckon probably fed by one of the weaker consortiums.Wouldnt be at all surprised if McMenemy (or one of his associates) was behind it. It has had the desired effect hysteria and panic by the less perceptive fans. Cue panic headlines in The Echo when one of their hacks wakes up and starts surfing the net for stories. Bearing in mind the newspaper its got Rupert Lowe written all over it for the reasons you suggest. His past history on taunting fans and managament in this way speaks volumes of what a sad idiot he is.
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 NickG said: would you accept Tom Scott if (just bit of hypothetical fun) he offered £15m transfer kitty for div 1 money to keep Kelvin, Size etc Shearer on 4 yrs contract but Lowe as chairman??!! Is Tom Scott that, hypothetically, effing stupid? Hypothetically speaking, I just couldn't go through it all again.
70's Mike Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 NickG said: would you accept Tom Scott if (just bit of hypothetical fun) he offered £15m transfer kitty for div 1 money to keep Kelvin, Size etc Shearer on 4 yrs contract but Lowe as chairman??!! Hypothetically NO WAY. In fact for real NO WAY
Toomer Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 nickg said: would you accept tom scott if (just bit of hypothetical fun) he offered £15m transfer kitty for div 1 money to keep kelvin, size etc shearer on 4 yrs contract but lowe as chairman??!! no return for lowe!!!!!!!!!
TNT Posted 26 April, 2009 Author Posted 26 April, 2009 NickG said: would you accept Tom Scott if (just bit of hypothetical fun) he offered £15m transfer kitty for div 1 money to keep Kelvin, Size etc Shearer on 4 yrs contract but Lowe as chairman??!! NO and nor would thousands of others
Legod Third Coming Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 dubai_phil said: In reality though it depends what deal they are offered. If they get a sensible settlement with no forward loading then why should they "give a toss". The buyers could just switch to HSBC with no overdraft, and there is no stadium debt. Just means the local suppliers get screwed, think we know how a hard assed businessman would view that - "there's a recession, do business our way or we'll go elsewhere" Tax & Vat won't care as long as they get paid... Don't look to the creditors to turn down the only bid in town, just join them in praying they have a choice True, but I'm guessing/hoping that both the major creditors would prefer to see the business continue with their involvement and a greater chance of being repaid in full than a cut and run job. But as you say, depends on how many deals are on the table.
NickG Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 I really hope we can have a clean break and no old directors involved at all. (having said that if any of them were but there was good manager, pots of money I would be fickle enough to stop moaning after 10 consecutive wins!)
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 After all these months on here, with all the bile and vitriol being spewed at Lowe. Nickg still hasn't quite grasped the level of affection we have for the man.
aintforever Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 NickG said: would you accept Tom Scott if (just bit of hypothetical fun) he offered £15m transfer kitty for div 1 money to keep Kelvin, Size etc Shearer on 4 yrs contract but Lowe as chairman??!! no way, that **** is not getting another penny from me.
trousers Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Nineteen Canteen said: Trousers will love this in the morning, nice and juicy conspiracy theory to get his teeth into. Hello
revolution saint Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 NickG said: would you accept Tom Scott if (just bit of hypothetical fun) he offered £15m transfer kitty for div 1 money to keep Kelvin, Size etc Shearer on 4 yrs contract but Lowe as chairman??!! I dunno, chuck in a revolutionary coaching set up (obviously foreign), the best catering in the country, a radio station, a managerial revolving door and an insistence that the transfer fund be spent on lots of average foreign players or players that are "one for the future" and I'll consider it. I'd also want an insistence from Lowe that he continues his crusade to make football conform to his blueprint - clearly he's the only one who can sort out the whole of football and not just saints.
KMondo Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 This makes no sense. Journalist probably just looked at the list of donors and made up a story. [-o
NickG Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 EastleighSoulBoy said: After all these months on here, with all the bile and vitriol being spewed at Lowe. Nickg still hasn't quite grasped the level of affection we have for the man. reading things that aren't there mate
Amesbury Saint Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 NickG said: would you accept Tom Scott if (just bit of hypothetical fun) he offered £15m transfer kitty for div 1 money to keep Kelvin, Size etc Shearer on 4 yrs contract but Lowe as chairman??!! why would anyone involve Lowe in their consortium?
carljack Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 saint_stevo said: are Tom Scott and Rupert Lowe "inextricably linked as one entity" ? Good Question! heres some facts 1. Tom Scott bought a large tranche of SLH shares that belonged to Lowes Father when the news leaked out the shares rocketed and a few months later Tom Scott sold these shares for a Large profit.When asked what his intentions were Tom Scott said he thought the shares were cheap and worth a punt. 2 Tom Scott M Wilde R Lowe have/Did discussed business involving SLH Now here is the what allegedly the real interest was! Tom Scott wanted warehouse storage facilities close Southampton Docks and its rail links to service his ever expanding business empire in Jersey/ Guernsey as land prices and change of use rules in Jersey are financially prohibitive, when the shares rocketed this deal "on the cheap" was no longer viable so he took his profit and walked away.Obviously thing are now even cheaper. Allegedly
Alain Perrin Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 alpine_saint said: That will be me finished with SFC Alpine please stop with listing the positives, Lowe's return could be really bad for the unity of the club.
Saint in Paradise Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Amesbury Saint said: why would anyone involve Lowe in their consortium? Because he is a financial genius who knows lots of people in "The City" and has been a successful Plc Chairman ? Oh
InvictaSaint Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Calm down people - we're all going to die of Swine flu imported from Mexico anyway, so what's the point in worrying? :-(
NickG Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Amesbury Saint said: why would anyone involve Lowe in their consortium? would be very surprised if they did, immediate bad relations with bank, press and customers
bridge too far Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 If this rumour proves to be true then I seriously worry for RL's mental state - I really do. The man's deluded.
Ex Ringwood Saint Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Adds to what i heard yesterday that RL was involved in one of the 2 bids currently under due diligence...make of that what you will.....Ho Hum...Rumours rumours and more worry until things come out in the open......
Saint Billy Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 rocknrollman no2 said: The day that Lowelife has a say in Saints again,is the day i,my friends,my family and every Saints fan i know will walk away from this club. It pains me to say but I have to agree with you!
saint lard Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 nickg said: would you accept tom scott if (just bit of hypothetical fun) he offered £15m transfer kitty for div 1 money to keep kelvin, size etc shearer on 4 yrs contract but lowe as chairman??!! never
Colinjb Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Why can't that eccentric just F*CK OFF!!!? He's lost everything he had invested and now he wants to toy with us further. Idiot is not the word.
OldNick Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 I had always feared he would be in the background if we went into admin.He knows exactly how they could make money if he could get rid of the big debt.That experience could be enough to persuade an investor to come in for us. To me it is a disaster, what have we doen to deserve constant s###??
bridge too far Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 I think it's morally reprehensible to run a company into administration just to pick it up again on the cheap. What about the 'small' suppliers? Some of these people may well go out of business. Is it legal to do this? If not, the law needs to be changed and soon.
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