rallyboy Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 I know that if I put a few million into a business the first thing I would do is install someone who has proved that he is incapable of running it, and who would also alienate 90% of the customers....I don't think so. This is business at the sharp end, you don't put your money in and let Rupert anywhere near it, he is damaged goods, yesterday's man. They may have been 'associates' but you would have to be mentally ill to think he could be part of rebuilding Saints with your millions.
SaintRichmond Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 If this happens then serious questions have to be asked with regards to the timing of the administration. Lowe putting us in admin a few days after the deadline, meaning we start on -10, would mean a reduction in the cost of the club. If he is in any way involved in buying it again it would look like he did it on purpose. NO !!!!!!!!! Surely not ???... SHOCK, HORROR I've been on about this from the minute Leisure Holdings went into liquidation .......... but no-one bothered to take it seriously Lowe is a Cancerous Poison that WILL be back. The SAINTS will forever be in the lower League(s), whilst Lowe again Reigns Supreme Watch how fast Fry moves now ............
OldNick Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 NO !!!!!!!!! Surely not ???... SHOCK, HORROR I've been on about this from the minute Leisure Holdings went into liquidation .......... but no-one bothered to take it seriously Lowe is a Cancerous Poison that WILL be back. The SAINTS will forever be in the lower League(s), whilst Lowe again Reigns Supreme Watch how fast Fry moves now ............but you werer calling for us to go in admin.You cant have it both ways
SaintRichmond Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 I am feeling sick!!!! Lets hope this just chivvies up new, fresh owners!!!!!!! THAT is the problem .......... Fry's " smokescreen ) of interested Parties will soon blow away .......... leaving Rupert "I Love The Club" Lowe a straight run in .......... NOW do you believe ???
LostBoys Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 If it is Lowe Askham and Richards again forget my season tickets - no investor would be that stupid would they???
Weston Saint Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 I find it all very amusing. Calm down everyone, it is a non story, it will not be happening. Whilst I do not know the identity of the two who have proved funds I do know it is not Lowe.
OldNick Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Lets not get into a spin about this yet.How about it is a case that a new owner may be lurking who is just of little wealth and so to get the fans to accept the lack of funding they will be happy as it stops the big bad wolf getting the club. It is mind games perhaps
Blanco Saint Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 This if true is the worst possible news and would be a disaster imo. We need unity!! Please F$£K off Lowe and leave our club alone. Can some one make this story go away now? it's ruining my sunday, after a ruined saturday week/month/year supporting Saints.
SaintRichmond Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 but you werer calling for us to go in admin.You cant have it both ways Yes I was ..... but my error was in thinking that Lowe would be permanently gone, and Genuine Parties interested in Investing for the Club's future would step in, and allow us to rise from the ashes But Lowe DELIBERATELY went past the League deadline for Admin this season. That meant 10 points whichever way you call it. Had it been within the League deadline, the 10 points would only have applied for THIS season With the Team that was enforced upon the Club by Lowe's ego trip, did anyone give much hope in us avoiding the drop ?? ......... What Lowe could have done though was to AVOID a points penalty in Div 1 ......... .... HE DIDN'T .......... AND NOW HE'S COMING BACK Thanks to Lowe, we now start with at least 10 .... it MAY be more ...... plus LOWE'S RETURN ........w
OldNick Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Yes I was ..... but my error was in thinking that Lowe would be permanently gone, and Genuine Parties interested in Investing for the Club's future would step in, and allow us to rise from the ashes But Lowe DELIBERATELY went past the League deadline for Admin this season. That meant 10 points whichever way you call it. Had it been within the League deadline, the 10 points would only have applied for THIS season With the Team that was enforced upon the Club by Lowe's ego trip, did anyone give much hope in us avoiding the drop ?? ......... What Lowe could have done though was to AVOID a points penalty in Div 1 ......... .... HE DIDN'T .......... AND NOW HE'S COMING BACK Thanks to Lowe, we now start with at least 10 .... it MAY be more ...... plus LOWE'S RETURN ........wWhilst I bleieve he would come back I doubt he is.Lets not get too wound up yet
SaintDonkey Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2007/04/03/scott-marches-into-the-saints/ He has been to St Mary’s to see the Saints in the past but is not the close friend of Mr Lowe he has been reported to be in the national press. Any chance we can focus on this line of the article Stanley dug out? It's quite possible that Scott is one of the potential investors, but speculation linking that to a return of the Lowe is hopefully just journo's putting 2 and 2 together to make 5. Or as speculated a way of on consortium poisoning another.
WestSaint Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 God - What a headline to wake up to. What a nightmare scenario
Gingeletiss Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Lets not get into a spin about this yet.How about it is a case that a new owner may be lurking who is just of little wealth and so to get the fans to accept the lack of funding they will be happy as it stops the big bad wolf getting the club. It is mind games perhaps nickh...a few posts previous!! I had always feared he would be in the background if we went into admin.He knows exactly how they could make money if he could get rid of the big debt.That experience could be enough to persuade an investor to come in for us. To me it is a disaster, what have we doen to deserve constant s###?? So what's it to be nick...panic, or the voice of reason....Lol
VectisSaint Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 This is exactly why the FL (and FA) rules on clubs going into Administrtaion must be changed. I accept the points penalty, but at the moment there is no sanction against those who actually aused the problem, Lowe, Wilde and in some people's views at least Crouch and others. The FL must ban these people from having anything further to do with football ownership (I would go as far as to say anything to do with football full stop). It is not right that the perpetrators get away with nothing other than a hole in their pocket. If Mawhinney is to have any respect then this must be part of the rules.
CLOTH EARS Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 IF this were to be true then IMO the 'anti Lowe' fans would form a new club. There will be swathes of Saints fans who would NEVER support the old SFC again ( me included! ).
dubai_phil Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 If it is Lowe Askham and Richards again forget my season tickets - no investor would be that stupid would they??? Yes they would. The assets of the business in the medium term could be worth a lot of money, especially if you manage to pay off the creditors at about 20p in the pound The large wage earners will in the main be out of contract this summer, allowing a potential wage bill of around 5mil a year. Average L1 gates of around 12,000 would break even and you have the kids one year older and wiser who would start to have some value later in the season. Remember two things 1) When we went into Admin, all control on our destiny was lost we are no longer a football club with a history we are a deal waiting to be done. Some of us tried to point that out 2) Businessmen will do the deal. They will not care about sentiment, loyalty or feelings, they will look at potential asset values, areas to cut costs and improve profitability. In theory, the football club will be an inconsequential problem to be got rid of. If THEY think they can do deals and have the political connections to push through 500 houses in Jacksons Farm in 4 years as the UK comes out of recession they will look at the return from a punt on the club versus interest in the bank To a consortium trying to make the figures work, Lowe is useful as he "knows the ropes", and "knows what needs to be done. None of this makes sense when taken on a pure SFC Ltd and how many fans will go basis but overall, they'll probably think well, we can get 12,000, and once we start to win others will come back... Isn't it just HORRIFIC, but then that's why being out of control of events is SUCH a bad thing
Joey-deacons-left-nut Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Can Lowe actually become the chairman now he's goverened a COmpany thats gone tits up? I thought that forbade him from becoming a director of a company for x amount of years??
OldNick Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 nickh...a few posts previous!! I had always feared he would be in the background if we went into admin.He knows exactly how they could make money if he could get rid of the big debt.That experience could be enough to persuade an investor to come in for us. To me it is a disaster, what have we doen to deserve constant s###?? So what's it to be nick...panic, or the voice of reason....Lol Neither post were panic, the first was my assessment and is something I had said on many occasions when people were wishing for administration thinking he will be gone. The second was a case of saying unti l it happens lets not get too upset,.
OldNick Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Yes they would. The assets of the business in the medium term could be worth a lot of money, especially if you manage to pay off the creditors at about 20p in the pound The large wage earners will in the main be out of contract this summer, allowing a potential wage bill of around 5mil a year. Average L1 gates of around 12,000 would break even and you have the kids one year older and wiser who would start to have some value later in the season. Remember two things 1) When we went into Admin, all control on our destiny was lost we are no longer a football club with a history we are a deal waiting to be done. Some of us tried to point that out 2) Businessmen will do the deal. They will not care about sentiment, loyalty or feelings, they will look at potential asset values, areas to cut costs and improve profitability. In theory, the football club will be an inconsequential problem to be got rid of. If THEY think they can do deals and have the political connections to push through 500 houses in Jacksons Farm in 4 years as the UK comes out of recession they will look at the return from a punt on the club versus interest in the bank To a consortium trying to make the figures work, Lowe is useful as he "knows the ropes", and "knows what needs to be done. None of this makes sense when taken on a pure SFC Ltd and how many fans will go basis but overall, they'll probably think well, we can get 12,000, and once we start to win others will come back... Isn't it just HORRIFIC, but then that's why being out of control of events is SUCH a bad thingbrilliantly put DP
ART Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 This is exactly why the FL (and FA) rules on clubs going into Administrtaion must be changed. I accept the points penalty, but at the moment there is no sanction against those who actually aused the problem, Lowe, Wilde and in some people's views at least Crouch and others. The FL must ban these people from having anything further to do with football ownership (I would go as far as to say anything to do with football full stop). It is not right that the perpetrators get away with nothing other than a hole in their pocket. If Mawhinney is to have any respect then this must be part of the rules. Totally agree with this point of view. We the supporters, the players and coaches have all been unjustly punished by the Football League when the true culprits have got clean away, are playing to recuperate their ill gotten gains and warped investments. I can't see why a supporter group cannot and will not take the former culprits to court. The Football League needs to be reported to FIFA in order that the Administration regulations ensure that they punish the true culprits and not the victims. Where is British Justice when the Football League is allowed to drive away from football the very people who've supported the game all their lives. We all have to stand up and be counted faced with the likes of Lowe, Wilde, Crouch, Askham and Co. They must never ever set foot again in the corridors of power at St Mary's or any other football club!
Crab Lungs Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Its a superb bit of disinformation I reckon probably fed by one of the weaker consortiums.Wouldnt be at all surprised if McMenemy (or one of his associates) was behind it. It has had the desired effect hysteria and panic by the less perceptive fans. Cue panic headlines in The Echo when one of their hacks wakes up and starts surfing the net for stories. Lol, so true.
bridge too far Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Can Lowe actually become the chairman now he's goverened a COmpany thats gone tits up? I thought that forbade him from becoming a director of a company for x amount of years?? Generally it's only if someone has been a director of a company trading whilst insolvent. But this is interesting: http://www.humphreys.co.uk/articles/directors_duties_1.htm Especially this bit: Investors and the public need to be protected from rogue directors whose incompetence has contributed to business failures. And this: Even directors who have acted honestly may be accused of failing in their collective responsibility for the way in which the company has been run.
SaintRichmond Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 not at all. Rupert Lowe was the best thing for SFC. He always gets such a bad press but is actually a really decent bloke and a very experienced football chairman who has made some very good decisions for our football club over the years. I agree .... I remember decisions like ..... Sacking Pearson Bringing in an untried Dutcg Duo Going for Total Football Selling all the Goalscorers Insisting on playing with our Academy Youth Team ....... I'd forgotten what good decisions they were ....... made a whole lot of difference to our season didn't it ?????? PS "experienced football chairman" .... he knows Zilch about Football, and most of the Company's that he has "chaired...... have gone pear shaped But I suppose you can't wait for him to come back, can you ???.
JustMike Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 surely Lowe would fail the "fit and proper person" test
Gingeletiss Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Whilst I bleieve he would come back I doubt he is.Lets not get too wound up yet Another nickism!!!!!!!!!......I expect you have ironed the flags in preparation. IMO, whist I stand by my theory of 'Stewperts revenge'......I could not see anyone wanting to get into bed with this despot, other than those who have failed along with him, ie those in his little shareholding monopoly. So there may be smoke, but I doubt there will be fire. IMHO of course.
JustMike Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 not at all. Rupert Lowe was the best thing for SFC. He always gets such a bad press but is actually a really decent bloke and a very experienced football chairman who has made some very good decisions for our football club over the years. hahaha mmm wonder why he got bad press... if by experienced you mean in the "how to ruin a club" mold then yes! such as???? I bet the bad ones far outweigh the good!
Saint Billy Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Its a superb bit of disinformation I reckon probably fed by one of the weaker consortiums.Wouldnt be at all surprised if McMenemy (or one of his associates) was behind it. It has had the desired effect hysteria and panic by the less perceptive fans. Cue panic headlines in The Echo when one of their hacks wakes up and starts surfing the net for stories. Perceptive deficient here! Why ffs would LM want to start that sort of rumour.
forever a red and white Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 heres one though, supposing a lowe-based consotrium turned out, for whatever reason, to be the only people that could save the club altogether from liquidation, would you except that?
corky morris Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 (edited) And AdrianSFC told us in a number of emails to stop talking about Rupert Lowe. We would if he would just go away! Edited 26 April, 2009 by corky morris
Verbal Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 If this is true - and it's a big if - Lowe won't be able to pull shareholder strings in the way he's done in the past. And he's certainly not coming back as a big investor himself, with WH Ireland being credit crunched into substantial losses, and in such a state that it's broken the golden ' confidence' rule of stockbroking that you keep your infighting out of public view. Which means Lowe will only be able to come back if the successful consortium decides that he is more important to the club than the need to build a team capable of rediscovering how to win games, and to reunite a deeply fractured and disillusioned fanbase which, next season, through the turnstiles, will be key to the club's survival. If we're going to get a consortium that would make that decision, we're screwed anyway.
um pahars Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Lowe is useful as he "knows the ropes", and "knows what needs to be done. I saw fck all evidence of that over the last 12 months!!!!!!!!!
Gingeletiss Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 If this is true - and it's a big if - Lowe won't be able to pull shareholder strings in the way he's done in the past. Share holders??????? And he's certainly not coming back as a big investor himself, with WH Ireland being credit crunched into substantial losses, and in such a state that it's broken the golden ' confidence' rule of stockbroking that you keep your infighting out of public view. Which means Lowe will only be able to come back if the successful consortium decides that he is more important to the club than the need to build a team capable of rediscovering how to win games, and to reunite a deeply fractured and disillusioned fanbase which, next season, through the turnstiles, will be key to the club's survival. If we're going to get a consortium that would make that decision, we're screwed anyway. I doubt it would be a PLC, so no shares on the market. It will be a closed shop, so if shares were issued, they would only be for the chosen few!!!!. I think I'm right in saying that.
Leslie Charteris Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Perceptive deficient here! Why ffs would LM want to start that sort of rumour. If you heard him on R5 the other day you would know that he puts the blame for our current predicament squarely at the feet of Lowe and Wilde. A little anti-Lowe stirring might just show to outside parties just exactly what the general feeling about Lowe really is and deter any potential investors his lordship may have spoken to. All IMHO, of course.
Dicko Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 I can't believe people took so long!! When Tom Scott made his £10k donation at the Charlton match, and was sat in the Directors box, a couple of threads did arise about his connections to the old board.
brmbrm Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 I would rather we were liquidated than have Lowe back here again! So, to paraphrase, you are saying you want Lowe liquidated? Mods: can we have another "pledge" sticky please? (You'd have to go to Portsmouth to find a jury that would convict.)
Verbal Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 I doubt it would be a PLC, so no shares on the market. It will be a closed shop, so if shares were issued, they would only be for the chosen few!!!!. I think I'm right in saying that. That's exactly what I'm saying - he won't be able to do that this time.
dubai_phil Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 I saw fck all evidence of that over the last 12 months!!!!!!!!! Oh UP, [-X I can't believe that knowing Lowe as we all do you could post that. We all know that it wasn't his fault. We all know that the die was cast and he was just trying to perform an improbable rescue, after all, he said so himself on none other than Sky News..... so of course it's true......... Like I was saying, logic emotions and evidence are one thing, having the keys to the safe with all the dirty laundry is another. ;-) Just have to hope that it was malicious rumour mongering as Nickh tried to point out. I keep referring back to my point that we are still in the phoney war. This could as easily have been an expensegate retaliation tactic simply because someone heard that Lowe may be trying to get himself involved in helping some other group. It could of course be that it is Leon vs Scott in the "due dilligence race" and somebody thought they could do some political damage to the other or benefit to themselves - eg Fry - push through our inadequate bid because the bogeyman may have something to do with the opposition. Anyone who thinks we are out of the mire just because we are down now is mistaken. Unless all of the hangers on are removed by a new set of owners this will go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on
sidthesquid Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Lowe Set To Return To Saints !!! You'd have to laugh, though, wouldn't you..........?
beatlesaint Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Lowe Set To Return To Saints !!! You'd have to laugh, though, wouldn't you..........? It wont happen.....people will believe that non story yet dis-believe the Shearer one. Why ? They probably both have as much or as little truth in them but human nature is that we all jump on the worse case and run with it. He wont be back.....he would have to invest some money and it appears its not only his shares in SLH plc that have lost him money recently.
Dicko Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=11871 It was first discussed here after the Charlton match
docker-p Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 The day that Lowelife has a say in Saints again,is the day i,my friends,my family and every Saints fan i know will walk away from this club. Me too. If Lowe returns I'm out. End of. I will never set foot in SMS again.
Michelle Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 I find it all very amusing. Calm down everyone, it is a non story, it will not be happening. Whilst I do not know the identity of the two who have proved funds I do know it is not Lowe. I hope to God you're right. It's goodnight from us again if he manages to weasel his way back for a third time.
Charlie Wayman Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 I stayed away most of this season when lowelife returned. As soon as he went I came back again and so too did about 7/10000 other fans. Any new owner is no different to any old owner. Especially in the Third Division, they will know that their main and only significant source of income is gate receipts. They would not be successful business men if during Due Diligence they did not want to know why the attendance figures at SMS have been so sensitive to all the external factors affecting the club during the past three years. Last time we were in the Third Division, gates slumped to 8000 when you could still get 32000 in The Dell to see Manure and the like. If Lowe showed his face this might well fall to 3500 - yes, really - especially if no progress is made early on to cancel te points deficit. Like many fans have stated on here, if he comes I'm gone! If you're reading Lowe, remember that you have to declare YOUR hand before I DECLARE mine, i.e. buy a season ticket, so think about it very hard. Don't think you can bluff this one out 'cos there just are not enough hardcore fanatics to pay your wages. **** Off for good! You see, we do have power.
Third Division South Days Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 I find it all very amusing. Calm down everyone, it is a non story, it will not be happening. Whilst I do not know the identity of the two who have proved funds I do know it is not Lowe. Assuming,and I think you are probably right that he will not be back. Im far more interested in yesterdays article in the Times . It states that RL is leading a legal appeal against the 10 points deduction. The football club can only go down the appeal route which we all know that will almost certainly be a fruitless exercise. Im not to sure the FL will relish justifying their decision in a court of law. Hasn't Rupert got a good record when it comes to litigation?
MOSaint. Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 That would be it for me and my family and friends too. I will always support the saints but if Lowe came back it would definately be from a far. When will he get it YOUR ARE NOT WELCOME LOWE!!!!!
beatlesaint Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Assuming,and I think you are probably right that he will not be back. Im far more interested in yesterdays article in the Times . It states that RL is leading a legal appeal against the 10 points deduction. The football club can only go down the appeal route which we all know that will almost certainly be a fruitless exercise. Im not to sure the FL will relish justifying their decision in a court of law. Hasn't Rupert got a good record when it comes to litigation? I think that was just sloppy journalism to be honest.
OldNick Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 I believe this is a non story but I would question whether i could go, but in the end of he is stopped us folding for good it's a difficult decision. I think Weston would not come on here and say it was a non stroy unless he was fairly confident of his statement.
.comsaint Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Honestly - I don't think the man will EVER be happy until he finally gets his dream of naming the club "Rupert's Rovers FC". He's obsessed - and should be sanctioned!
Stirchleysaint Posted 26 April, 2009 Posted 26 April, 2009 Have we fallen into Dante's seventh circle of hell?
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