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It would do wonders for the club if all are supporters were like that.

 

Man Utd have got an amazing away support, how many replica shirts and balloons do you see amongst them?

 

 

quality point

 

United have best away fans in the country and are not "hooligans" they are just class fans sing and stand for 90 mins and dont have air horns or **** like that just support there club they love...

 

Shame half the ****ing gay cyber warriors on this forum couldnt follow suit...

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Why?? :confused:

 

It would insult me if they came out after the turd performances they've put in all season. We could have easily stayed up if it wasn't for that bunch of incompetence, hillsborough last week was the worst I have seen any saints team play, they didnt care.

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Personally i just want people to put things in perspective, there should never be the need to have trained police dogs in front of a stand of people there to watch a football match (or any other match). It's an afront to the majority there just to watch and support their side. Those that think it's acceptable for force to be used by police are on the same moral footing as those that think it's right to pelt people with objects if you ask me. Whether you think someone "deserves it" or not violence is no answer.

 

When it comes to those throwing stuff, there's cctv and those that did will get banned but it's hardly heysel. Let's put these ridiculous hell-in-a-handcart Daily Mailisms to bed and stop using it as an excuse to attack people that choose to stand in a certain section of the ground.

 

With that in mind i do find it incredibly sad the reputation we're getting, i remember the days when saints as a club, and as fans where universally respected by [most] other teams. That that's gone saddens me, but lets not blame an entire end, those that choose not to wear colours, or even those that enjoy some banter, lets hound out the arseholes that give our club a bad name.

 

The ones drinking in the well known pubs, or going to other towns to shame us. Most who go regularly know who they are, lets hope the police do to.

 

Oh and can i just take the time to say how good some of the stewards in the Northam are, in comparison to the police, Mark at the front in particular is brilliant and because he has the respect of the fans gets results. Maybe that's a lesson that can be learned?

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Just didn';t really get the point of it, didn't think Burnley were really that arsed. Saying all of that, a lot of people on here are well over the top, it was just a few kids egged on by a few hundred (those behind the front lines) and a bit of water bottle lobbing, dont think anyone died did they?

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quality point

 

United have best away fans in the country and are not "hooligans" they are just class fans sing and stand for 90 mins and dont have air horns or **** like that just support there club they love...

 

Shame half the ****ing gay cyber warriors on this forum couldnt follow suit...

Man utd fans well behaved you are having a laugh, they cause trouble all over the country, remember the flare at st marys?

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I was there too, as I said going on the pitch is fine, but the large group that went straight up to the away fans were only after one thing and again I ask what was the point. TBH the missle throwing starting from our fans and not theirs

 

The plastic bottle throwing definitely came from Saints fans first. From high up in Itchen North I could see everything. A few from the Northern were clearly intending to have a rumble with the Burnley lot (and the Skates there in disguise). Then the kids on the pitch ran up to swell the ranks.

 

How pathetic too, to surround Wotton who was nearly in a life-threatening situation. All very juvenile, distasteful and it quite disgusted me. It really did make me feel I did not want to be a part of our once great community next season.

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Every club sadly has its share of chav pr!cks. And sadly, in a recession they proliferate.

Time we started mass sterilisation, long overdue if you ask me.

 

Nothing wrong with standing and shouting and singing, or even going on the pitch.

 

But chucking stuff at other fans - ooo so hard from behind a police cordon. Fecking idiots.

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Did anyone else see a copper in the away end punch a Burnley fan in the face and then wrap both arms around his neck and then wrestle him to the ground?

 

To be fair, he was provoked by a Saints fan running on the pitch and somehow managing to spit on him!

 

It'll be interesting to see how the Police/Club react to this and whether they treat us like Leeds a few years ago.

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quality point

 

United have best away fans in the country and are not "hooligans" they are just class fans sing and stand for 90 mins and dont have air horns or **** like that just support there club they love...

 

Shame half the ****ing gay cyber warriors on this forum couldnt follow suit...

 

Man utd don't have a hooligan problem, mate your not for real are you? Do you just drive to games at 12.30 with your flask, final whistle wait to watch the players warm down, then straight back in your car then home? Jesus, Man Utd best fans with no hooligans, ffs!!

 

http://www.mefeedia.com/entry/hooligans-everton-v-man-utd-2005/6565188

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/programmes/2002/hooligans/diary/manchester_united.stm

 

If you don't look at the other 2 at least read this one http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2007/10/19/man-utd-fans-top-table-for-hooliganism-115875-19975578/ lets keep things in perspective ay, ffs!

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Every club sadly has its share of chav pr!cks. And sadly, in a recession they proliferate.

Time we started mass sterilisation, long overdue if you ask me.

 

Nothing wrong with standing and shouting and singing, or even going on the pitch.

 

But chucking stuff at other fans - ooo so hard from behind a police cordon. Fecking idiots.

 

So on one hand your saying violence is out of order then on the other your slagging them of for not actually getting into the Burnley lot and "throwing stuff from behind police lines". So from you point of view would it of been ok if 100 lads ploughed thru the police lines straight into Burnley?? All a bit confusing!

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Funny how none of the people who started the pitch invasion were wearing saints shirts.

 

Maybe they just dont like them, I'm not a fan the material is cheap and its rough on the skin.

 

However what I noticed was the ones that ran on the pitch looked like headless chickens, bodies moving without brains.

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Because of a group of mindless morons the saints club has been brought to shame yet again. If the CCTV footage shows the guilty then we have to be seen prosecuting them to the maximum available. These people are not true fans and don't deserve the freedom to go to a football match again. Going on to the pitch to demonstrate against the board is one thing but they have gone. The club will hopefully be bought and then we can start our climb back to the top. If that happens we must stress the importance of regaining our position as a happy friendly club. More of the same and a lot of people will stop going with their kids and thus destroying any future our club could have.

The club is asking our fans to fill their buckets but instead we have to throw our coins at the Burnley faithful. Though some Pompey skates had infiltrated the section there was no way we can condone the violent acts displayed.

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The club were selling to fans and allegedly knowingly to Pompey fans in the hunger for money. The club and the police were in the know as to the fact that something was going to happen after the game. Why was it allowed to happen is a question that I would like to see answered.

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The club were selling to fans and allegedly knowingly to Pompey fans in the hunger for money. The club and the police were in the know as to the fact that something was going to happen after the game. Why was it allowed to happen is a question that I would like to see answered.

 

 

So the club, and the police knew there was skate there, they knew there was a hi posibility of trouble yet you slag of our own fans!!!

 

Yes there was trouble, not a great deal imo, but to call the people involved scum and not true fans is, imo harsh!

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So the club, and the police knew there was skate there, they knew there was a hi posibility of trouble yet you slag of our own fans!!!

 

Yes there was trouble, not a great deal imo, but to call the people involved scum and not true fans is, imo harsh!

 

 

A lot of the people involved were not Saints fans. You will see that I said the club had been shamed by these morons not that they were saints fans. I think you need to read my post again because nowhere will you see me saying anything against our true fans. The people who go week in week out and pay even knowing we are not going to be entertained very often. I went on the marches and if necessary would have demonstrated on the pitch against the board. I like the vast majority would not have been throwing items at the oppositions fans.

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A lot of the people involved were not Saints fans. You will see that I said the club had been shamed by these morons not that they were saints fans. I think you need to read my post again because nowhere will you see me saying anything against our true fans. The people who go week in week out and pay even knowing we are not going to be entertained very often. I went on the marches and if necessary would have demonstrated on the pitch against the board. I like the vast majority would not have been throwing items at the oppositions fans.

 

But you are though mate, your saying anyone involved with any trouble are not "true fans"! I'd disagree, I've been caught up in trouble before, had no interest in trouble but found myself in the middle of it. I've been a season ticket holder for 25 years, I've seen us loose to Oldham at Boundary Park on a tuesday night, seen us get dicked away to newcastle, man utd, sheffield, norwich, liverpool, portsmuff etc etc. Am I not a true fan just because i've been a knob before? I'd like to think I'm as good or bad a fan as the next man. Football is a passionate, emotive game, with passion you'll see every emotion, laughter, tears, sorrow, jubilation and yes, sometimes anger Obviously all imo!

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Total over reaction IMO the majority of the people on the pitch where doing nothing wrong just taking photos happily chatting with each other strolling round the pitch. Like usual there were some that were looking for trouble and found it and I do believe what these people done to the Burnley fans was a disgrace but it seems there has been a lot of finger pointing at Saints fans as a whole rather than the usual mob who will always look for a fight.

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Just to put the 'who threw the falre first' argument, it was a saints fan, 30 seconds in on this clip:

 

There are quite a few clips up now and I must say that most are of good natured people enjoying a stroll on the pitch. Perfectly innocently in my view. As for the others trying to attack visiting supporters, well, anyone defending that really does not deserve a response, you make yourselves sound a bit simple to be honest. You are defending animal like pack behaviour, I don't get it sorry.

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Just to put the 'who threw the falre first' argument, it was a saints fan, 30 seconds in on this clip:

 

There are quite a few clips up now and I must say that most are of good natured people enjoying a stroll on the pitch. Perfectly innocently in my view. As for the others trying to attack visiting supporters, well, anyone defending that really does not deserve a response, you make yourselves sound a bit simple to be honest. You are defending animal like pack behaviour, I don't get it sorry.

 

That woman in the background...... :lol: :lol:

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Said woman did not hit anyone. She was having a go at the jumped up little cun sat inthe directors box swearing at our fans. Saying that i gave the board what for after the game. Mortimer really is a smug **** as is richards.

 

Must be a different woman having a go then cos I was one of the women in one of the exec boxes where the woman came up and was having a go at us - probably the result of too much alchol She swung for me after I disagreed with her about the job the stewards were doing.

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I had a grandstand view and it was a significant number of Saints 'fans' who charged towards the Burnley supporters that started the problems. If they had stayed away from the away supporters it would not have kicked off. The guy that was down on the ground had it coming to him as he tried to charge through the police line and was taken down by a policeman.

 

I think the scenes were disgraceful frankly and sickening. But the worst for me was a middle aged woman who ran from the pitch, was allowed to run all the way up the Itchen stand to the barriers just in front the boxes and hit two other women who were in the box next to us. Yes, this woman had a Saints shirt on. She was shouting, swearing and complaining about the people in the boxes not paying for ST's, whereas all the 'proper' fans had paid for their tickets.

 

I am afraid today that womans actions and the rest of the yobs on the pitch, left a very sour taste in my mouth...witnessing THAT was far worse than relegation to league one. Disgusting.

 

She was also kicking off at us saying that if we loved the club we should be down on the pitch doing something about it. A strange comment and obviously fuelled by drink.

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But you are though mate, your saying anyone involved with any trouble are not "true fans"! I'd disagree, I've been caught up in trouble before, had no interest in trouble but found myself in the middle of it. I've been a season ticket holder for 25 years, I've seen us loose to Oldham at Boundary Park on a tuesday night, seen us get dicked away to newcastle, man utd, sheffield, norwich, liverpool, portsmuff etc etc. Am I not a true fan just because i've been a knob before? I'd like to think I'm as good or bad a fan as the next man. Football is a passionate, emotive game, with passion you'll see every emotion, laughter, tears, sorrow, jubilation and yes, sometimes anger Obviously all imo!

 

I have been to places where there was a bit of fighting. I have done things that I shouldn't. I have never targetted a group which included women and children and never will. My stance will not change. I am as heart broken as the next fan but that does not give me the right to attack the defenceless.

I have no problem with people roaming around the ground though the league probably would have. The vast majority of the fans were doing nothing but the morons were and that I can't accept.

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You seem to have been on hand to witness all this supposed 'giving it large', strange huh? I suppose this was merely coincidence...

 

For the record i happened to be in Eastleigh bus station waiting for my bus into town when they pulled up.

Secondly i said i do not condone the throwing of coins etc.

I am also sick to death of anyone who does not go to football dressed in a red and white shirt being labelled a chav pikey scum.

If you look at the pictures of saturday and the trouble against charlton there are many fans in red and white shirts goading the opposition.

IMO a lot of the reaction was down to the fact that there were a number of the blue few both in the ground and around before the game looking for trouble.

One thing i also witnessed on my walk to the ground was a police officer tell a number of saints fans Exact words were - I hope you lot enjoy your time in league two the season after next. Now to me that is not a sensible comment from somebody in his position.

Before you slate me again i will reiterate i do not condone some of the behaviour but some of the responses on here are pathetic.

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I saw a lot of these 'superhard Danny Dyer wannabes' pooh themselves and run off the pitch as fast as they could when it looked like they might come up against something.

 

I think they are a joke really. I've seen a group of these 'brave young men' beat up one of our own supporters in the concourse last season. To be fair they look up to one or two older supporters who think they're Mike Tyson, but in reality are just sad tossers with crap lives.

 

All a bit of an overreaction though. I think there were only 3 arrests.

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I have been to places where there was a bit of fighting. I have done things that I shouldn't. I have never targetted a group which included women and children and never will. My stance will not change. I am as heart broken as the next fan but that does not give me the right to attack the defenceless.

I have no problem with people roaming around the ground though the league probably would have. The vast majority of the fans were doing nothing but the morons were and that I can't accept.

 

A fair comment mate, all I'm saying is just because someones been caught up with the emotion of the day doesn't make them "not real fans".

 

I'd hope that majority of said fans woke up yesterday morning thinking "why the f**k did I get involved with that", you'll always get a few that will feel that thier actions were merited because they were "fighting for thier club" but that will be such a small minority mate!

 

I personally know loads of lads that have been in the thick of trouble over the years, they may not be your cup of tea but, they are as true a Saints fan as you and I. I've never known them to start on anyone who wasn't out looking for trouble themselves (except 1 lad but he got a slap from said lads for doing so). Its not a group that i often associate with anymore as I don't want to get involved, pie, pint and chips for me, Northam club after the game, taxi home and asleep on the sofa by 8, which really, really p1sses the wife as I snore through Britain's got talent, who wouldn't snore!!!

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I get a horrible feeling that this will come back to bite us in the ass. The FL are not happy with us, after all we are trying to dump 20 something mil of debt when other members are trying to keep in the rules.

 

In their eyes, there is no way this can be claimed to be "a spur of the moment emotional thing". All they have to do is google "pitch Invasion" at SMS and they will find links to 2 threads on here PRIOR to the event. They can then claim it was all pre-planned.

 

They have it in for us, we will no doubt hear that the ref ran away because he was getting the physio on the pitch and he couldn't see his "signals" to help Wotton.

 

If there had not been a threat of a pitch invasion there would have been no dogs, so to use them as an excuse just plays straight back into the hands of those who have it in for us.

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At least you don't have to watch it. As for the football club, I hope we still have a club next season.

Now all we need to do is wait to see who our benefactor will be. I hope the rumours are wrong with a possible return of RL thru Guernsey bid..

 

I hope and pray that Mr. Fry & Co would look on that as a non-starter as it would kill the club.

 

If he returned i'd never set foot back into St. Marys, I realise people get slated for statements like that but I don't care, a sfc that includes Lowe is not a sfc i'd support. You've only got to look at this season gates of 14,15,16 k under lowe, he leaves and we get gates of 21,22,23 & 27k!!!

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Disgraceful and sadly reminiscent of the bad old 70's and 80's when thuggery ruled football. It was not a tiny minority it was almost a quarter of the people attending.

 

I would think the police will be getting quite worried about this type of mass social unrest.

 

There is a lot of anger about right now in the UK, anger about the excesses of bankers who have brought our country to its knees, anger about the joblessness that has followed and local anger about the catastrophic mismanagement of our football club that has led to its current disastrous predicament. It is a toxic mix that is brewing unedr the surface and clearly from Saturday's events it could explode anytime on the streets.

 

The danger is that it spills over in this very nasty way - like war - against other groups perceived as the enemy who are not the enemy at all. Burnley fans were here for a nice day out in the sun enjoying out City supporting their team in it's bid for a play-off place. They did no deseve to be confronted with such hostility and should not have been. More than a few VERY DECENT Burnley fans would have been terrified of what might have happened next.

 

What happened was a disgrace to Southampton Football Club and to WE so-called fans however virtuous we may claim to be on here. None of us are guiltless as we have all done our worst to stir up bad feelings all season long.

 

Anybody who claims this was anything other than rampant hooliganism is a moron and enemy of society. I hope those who o the trouble can be identified and banned from SMS for ever.

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So the club, and the police knew there was skate there, they knew there was a hi posibility of trouble yet you slag of our own fans!!!

 

Yes there was trouble, not a great deal imo, but to call the people involved scum and not true fans is, imo harsh!

 

The people involved are fecking idiots who need to grow up.

 

If they want a fight, arrange it beforehand and have it somewhere miles from the ground like it used to be done.

 

I don't condone violence but we just have some mongs who think that because the police have dogs it justifies violence.

 

It's pathetic mate.

 

You cannot defend it.

 

It is absolutely pathetic.

 

If you want a fight, go have one.

 

The rest of us came for a football match and have grown out of all that nonsense, if we were ever moronic enough to be involved.

 

It ain't the eighties any more yet we have Danny Dyer juniors who would cr4p themselves at the first sign of a real punch up...

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Disgraceful and sadly reminiscent of the bad old 70's and 80's when thuggery ruled football. It was not a tiny minority it was almost a quarter of the people attending.

 

I would think the police will be getting quite worried about this type of mass social unrest.

 

There is a lot of anger about right now in the UK, anger about the excesses of bankers who have brought our country to its knees, anger about the joblessness that has followed and local anger about the catastrophic mismanagement of our football club that has led to its current disastrous predicament. It is a toxic mix that is brewing unedr the surface and clearly from Saturday's events it could explode anytime on the streets.

 

The danger is that it spills over in this very nasty way - like war - against other groups perceived as the enemy who are not the enemy at all. Burnley fans were here for a nice day out in the sun enjoying out City supporting their team in it's bid for a play-off place. They did no deseve to be confronted with such hostility and should not have been. More than a few VERY DECENT Burnley fans would have been terrified of what might have happened next.

 

What happened was a disgrace to Southampton Football Club and to WE so-called fans however virtuous we may claim to be on here. None of us are guiltless as we have all done our worst to stir up bad feelings all season long.

 

Anybody who claims this was anything other than rampant hooliganism is a moron and enemy of society. I hope those who o the trouble can be identified and banned from SMS for ever.

 

 

3 arrests according to the newspapers. Hardly a riot was it. Rampant hooliganism? I don't think so.

 

Massive overreaction to all of this. And I'm neither a moron or an enemy of society.

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The people involved are fecking idiots who need to grow up.

 

If they want a fight, arrange it beforehand and have it somewhere miles from the ground like it used to be done.

 

I don't condone violence but we just have some mongs who think that because the police have dogs it justifies violence.

 

It's pathetic mate.

 

You cannot defend it.

 

It is absolutely pathetic.

 

If you want a fight, go have one.

 

The rest of us came for a football match and have grown out of all that nonsense, if we were ever moronic enough to be involved.

 

It ain't the eighties any more yet we have Danny Dyer juniors who would cr4p themselves at the first sign of a real punch up...

 

Very true. If the idiots who ran on the pitch really wanted trouble they could have got in there. Truth is, they are just a load of wannabe muppets. Your last sentence is so true.

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looked pathetic running to away fans and pointless.

 

However -re possible punishments, unless anyone tells me different my view was

1) it happend after the whistle

2) most teams have fans onto pitch after last game of season

3) the smoke bombs were thrown by away fans

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Disgraceful and sadly reminiscent of the bad old 70's and 80's when thuggery ruled football. It was not a tiny minority it was almost a quarter of the people attending.

 

I would think the police will be getting quite worried about this type of mass social unrest.

 

There is a lot of anger about right now in the UK, anger about the excesses of bankers who have brought our country to its knees, anger about the joblessness that has followed and local anger about the catastrophic mismanagement of our football club that has led to its current disastrous predicament. It is a toxic mix that is brewing unedr the surface and clearly from Saturday's events it could explode anytime on the streets.

 

The danger is that it spills over in this very nasty way - like war - against other groups perceived as the enemy who are not the enemy at all. Burnley fans were here for a nice day out in the sun enjoying out City supporting their team in it's bid for a play-off place. They did no deseve to be confronted with such hostility and should not have been. More than a few VERY DECENT Burnley fans would have been terrified of what might have happened next.

 

What happened was a disgrace to Southampton Football Club and to WE so-called fans however virtuous we may claim to be on here. None of us are guiltless as we have all done our worst to stir up bad feelings all season long.

 

Anybody who claims this was anything other than rampant hooliganism is a moron and enemy of society. I hope those who o the trouble can be identified and banned from SMS for ever.

 

Just to give everything a little bit of balance

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=12664

 

Not trying to justify anything, just trying to point out that not all the Burnley fans were that "lovely" in fact they weren't even all Burnley fans!

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My dad just said that he heard on the radio we may be getting a point deduction because of this...

 

Surely not? :(

 

No that's rubbish, just the radio trying to make a story out of nothing.

 

Bournemouth and Wolves also had pitch invasions, as I suspect did many other clubs up and down the country.

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That woman in the background...... :lol: :lol:

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lots of good material on that YouTube page - check this one out (not particularly Saints related except perhaps for the picture of a train hanging above Hiltler's head)

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Disgraceful and sadly reminiscent of the bad old 70's and 80's when thuggery ruled football. It was not a tiny minority it was almost a quarter of the people attending.

 

 

So you think there were 6,000 hooligans trying to get at the Burnley fans?

Massive over exaggeration if you ask me

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I had a grandstand view and it was a significant number of Saints 'fans' who charged towards the Burnley supporters that started the problems. If they had stayed away from the away supporters it would not have kicked off. The guy that was down on the ground had it coming to him as he tried to charge through the police line and was taken down by a policeman.

 

I think the scenes were disgraceful frankly and sickening. But the worst for me was a middle aged woman who ran from the pitch, was allowed to run all the way up the Itchen stand to the barriers just in front the boxes and hit two other women who were in the box next to us. Yes, this woman had a Saints shirt on. She was shouting, swearing and complaining about the people in the boxes not paying for ST's, whereas all the 'proper' fans had paid for their tickets.

 

I am afraid today that womans actions and the rest of the yobs on the pitch, left a very sour taste in my mouth...witnessing THAT was far worse than relegation to league one. Disgusting.

What makes it even sadder is, the lady she hit was representing a firm who had just put in £1000's into to the SOS fund, she is ok as the punch was only a glancing blow, the woman shouted abuse about her being a plastic fan etc, even though she has been to a lot of games this season. Hopefully they have lady that thre the punches on camera so she can get the ban she deserves.
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What makes it even sadder is, the lady she hit was representing a firm who had just put in £1000's into to the SOS fund, she is ok as the punch was only a glancing blow, the woman shouted abuse about her being a plastic fan etc, even though she has been to a lot of games this season. Hopefully they have lady that thre the punches on camera so she can get the ban she deserves.
So are we suggesting that a mad old bag lady with a penchant for swearing and fighting is really indicative of the vast majority of Saints fans? If I'd been on the receiving end of that sort of cr@p then I'd be pretty upset but I'd hope to get it in some sort of proportion just like I do when coming up against similar morons in any other part of the country. There are idiots amongst us but let's not get things out of proportion.
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