A call to arms - your club need you

[Tamesaint]

All about prevention Trousers because sometimes the cure proves to be ineffective. Withholding before = cure, Withholding now = you've done your best to prevent the illness and find a cure and now it maybe time to switch off the life support.

 

"Switch off the life support" ????

 

Well thats not spoken like a true lifelong fan is it???

 

Don't you realise - there is life for Southampton after Lowe.... and without deadweights like him the future is bright.

[slickmick]

I am told the next few days are critical and if there is any last minute hitches with the "consortiums" that are reported to be interested we could literally disappear overnight.

 

The consortiums will be well aware of the financial plight of our club. If they want to save it they and the administrators will be aware that they need to move quickly. If a delay does happen, then how long would we survive even if we sold out for Burnley ?

 

I have to lay off my staff at the end of the coming week and can not justify spending even a measly £26 at the moment. The guys that work for me have even taken a paycut in recent weeks just to try and gain extra time for a change in fortunes, which will be rewarded if things change. So why the Hell aren't our well paid players offering to do the same ? Footballers still have their untouchable heads in the clouds, its time they did something to earn some respect.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Now there's true colours for you. Bye - don't come back - we don't need your kind of 'support' now. I admit I was not fearful of admin to clear the club of the vermin, but now is the time to REALLY support the club. If you're really a supporter that is - are you?

 

Oh yes, steadfast and loyal but are you and can I align myself with those who largely brought this on themselves.

[miserableoldgit]

Didn't say i hated him just don't consider his comments were appropriate or useful on the radio this morning. I note with interest you don't mention how how I applauded Crouch's diplomatic comments on TV yesterday. People regardless of repuation can still be criticised and their comments questioned. In fact its probably more important to quiz those individuals trading off their image IMO.

TBF I did notice your comments re:- Crouch and was pleasantly surprised, but that was balanced out when I saw your remarks about MLT. Firstly I think that he was asked about the sate of the club and how thing have happened. He has an opinion on what has been going on at SMS and he gave it. I think that his opinion may carry a lot more weight than yours or mine due to his (you may say tenuous) connection with the club. Do you honestly believe that MLT (or Crouch come to that) is trading off his image?? I think that he can be accused of some things, but he is, to many fans, the epitome of everything that they have loved over the years about SFC.

[trousers]

Is that bloke in your avatar the old man who used to rule the Dell car park?

 

No, it's the late great Arthur English

[Toadhall Saint]

Oh yes, steadfast and loyal but are you and can I align myself with those who largely brought this on themselves.

 

19 C - while I don't disagree with your sentiments - can you just shut up about people bringing it upon themselves? It serves no positive end at all - just keeps division and the blame game going.

[Norm]

Duncan,

 

This is a tough one. We as supporters have been sold short over the past 3 years but half of those old Premier league gates have been stoical and steadfast in their unstintlng support of the club. I am proud to say I have been one of them and a buyer of multiple season tickets. However, a bit like NickH when he replied to you, I to feel numb partly because of the FL's timing and partly because I find myself feeling little if any sympathy for those fan's who chose to stay away or worse revelled in the prospect of administration.

 

I have listened to many media reports and even on Solent this morning we had fans telling Julian Clegg that they have stayed away this season because they decided it wasn't working, is it working now? Clive Foley on SSN yesterday was spitting bile for Lowe within the first few words and Le Tissier wasn't much better on Solent this morning more intent on getting out the hatchet than promoting unity. Leon Crouch and Nick Illingsworth have surprisingly (the former at least) showed some sense of diplomacy with Crouch refusing and rightly so to discuss blame at this stage and Illingsworth showing balance and understanding but is often ridiculed, why? He is by a country mile the best in communicating to the media and very fair in his assessment. IMO Clive Foley sounded like a male version of Vicky Pollard on SSN talking about the points deduction. 'Yeah but no but, Yeah but no but, Lowe's fault'!

 

Why Duncan should all these fans go and buy these tickets when fan organisations, club celebrities and forum members cannot unite. To be honest I have as much respect for those fans who stayed away as I do for a Portsmouth fans because sub-consciously or otherwise they wished for the same thing, the collapse of SFC.

 

All these people like Crouch, le Tissier , McMenemy and so on must have known the consequences of maintaining an average gate of 16,500 and to hear their bleating and babbling now, well I am running out of radios. It's after-timing in the extreme.

 

Lets not confuse this with the Lowe factor, its acknowledging or understanding how committed our fan base actually is and establish if this season will be repeated when we run the risk of starting off in League 2 in August 2010. What happens if the new consortium come in and is headed up by a character even more divisive than Lowe? Fan's wishing for administration part deux?

 

Perhaps I could get a bit more motivated if our beloved club could actually admit how much they need in donations and Blue Peter style post it on the website as a thermometer and show how hot or cold our donations have been to date and how far to go. The apathy that pervades the fans is as acute and reflected in the club communications today IMO as it was 2 months and probably because it's condition 'frantic'.

 

Duncan. true Saints fan recognised the critical nature of the situation back in August and so it's useless making an appeal to them as they have their STs or bought their tickets already. I cannot bring myself to donate anymore until the players especially those on £4k pw or more take a 50% paycut until the new owner is installed. The excuse is they are worried about their future well I think its time to show it and do something to preserve thier future. Why is the club not helping itself by doing something about this issue immediately?

 

We have a fragmented fanbase and in places a very shallow one and if we disappear overnight there will be much gnashing of teeth and wailing. The club will be resurrected , maybe but judging by all these supporters groups and divided opinion we will probably end up with two clubs in the bowels of non-league football. Call to arms? Which side do people run to?

 

Cue all the abuse now about it's the fans fault, well sorry its largely true and if the post relegation has been tough its going to get a lot tougher. So if as Duncan suggests you are a True Saints fan then its time to seek some redemption if not then we'll try and do it the hard way but please keep your distance in future. To the rest of us the Burnley game is only the start and if Oldham, Hartlepool and Brentford don't do it for you next season then don't kid yoursleves and more importantly us and the new owners.

 

A fair and balanced point of view. Worth the read, sadly.

 

Aug' 1956, my first game at the Dell, V Bournemouth in Div 3 south. Oh how the wheel has turned full circle.

 

Roll on Saturday at 3pm. Singing OWTS, as loudly as I can. Then look forward to next Aug and Div 1. Life continues.

[badgerx16]

Didn't say i hated him just don't consider his comments were appropriate or useful on the radio this morning. I note with interest you don't mention how how I applauded Crouch's diplomatic comments on TV yesterday. People regardless of repuation can still be criticised and their comments questioned. In fact its probably more important to quiz those individuals trading off their image IMO.

These are the same comments where he let slip 'it was arranged this way to avoid administration' ? VERY diplomatic ;-)

[Nineteen Canteen]

"Switch off the life support" ????

 

Well thats not spoken like a true lifelong fan is it???

 

Don't you realise - there is life for Southampton after Lowe.... and without deadweights like him the future is bright.

 

Was Lowe the deadweight and is the future bright Tame? I fear we are heading the way of Luton. Many lifelong fans gave up when we had a real chance of survival so who's the baddie? I'm just numb as NickH mentioned or increasingly apathetic hearing about the joys of administration and getting rid of the vermin. The 15,000 vermin or staunchly loyal fans who have backed this club to the hilt and now being asked to give more.

 

I hope that Fry comes up with a new buyer, otherwise please explain why the club won't confirm how much they need in donations and how much they still need to go to reach their target? Do you think they actually know?

[Nick65]

 

This is a tough one.

 

I don't think so!

10,000 extra people = about £200,000. Could make all the difference.

[Jackie@home]

MLT was only pointing out the blindingly obvious.

 

Also, I accept that, whilst I have been prepared to sit and watch the dross we have suffered this season, I perfectly understand that other supporters have had enough. Long term, everyone turning up just for the sheer hell of it is not sustainable, nineteen canteen. There has to be entertainment, we have to attract youngsters to get smitten with the bug the way that we were. It is not the supporters fault that the club has been financially mismanaged; how can it be?

 

There are plenty of clubs in the Championship taking less in gate money than us that are doing substantially better on and off the pitch, as we all know. They haven't wasted millions on paying off loads of executives, coaching staff and managers or buying underperforming rubbish.

[Rogerfryisalegend]

Is that bloke in your avatar the old man who used to rule the Dell car park?

lol, no mate, but know who you mean

[Weston Saint]

MLT was a wonderful player and a great football pundit but sometimes, like us, he wanders into arears where he is only getting one side and that can lead to bias interpretation.

 

I am all for Matt leading the charge for support of the football club but he should not get into the blame game without having an ear of both sides of the argument.

 

That, in my opinion, is what 19C was trying to say.

 

As for Leon Crouch, without him at this testing time we might not have got as far as the Burnley game as a club. It was as fine as that. Leon Crouch is helping prop up this football club at present. A true supporter.

 

And those that know me well know I do not heap praise on Leon easily

[Crab Lungs]

I must admit i don't reads 19C's posts but thanks for drawing this comment to my attention.

 

Le Tissier is a legend and no Saints fan would ever slag him off.

 

19C hang your head in shame.

 

What a penis. You don't read the posts yet you are willing to make a judgement call on someone.

[RoswellSaint]

This may get lost in the arguments but back to the earlier point about people buying tickets but they can't go to the game. I have spoken to the club and have the name and email address of someone in the Saints in the Community dept who can arrange for the tickets to go to a school for underprivileged children.

 

PM me and I will pass on his name. Might as well let the tickets be used.

[stevegrant]

As for Leon Crouch, without him at this testing time we might not have got as far as the Burnley game as a club. It was as fine as that. Leon Crouch is helping prop up this football club at present. A true supporter.

 

And those that know me well know I do not heap praise on Leon easily

As someone who has been openly critical of Crouch in the past, I can only echo these comments.

 

His comments on 5 Live yesterday were ill-informed at best, but it's clear that he simply can't talk to public audiences or the press very well and in hindsight I suspect he wishes he declined the offer of an interview.

 

Without him, we wouldn't even be having the discussion about whether we were going to be able to sell enough tickets for tomorrow's game. There would be no game.

[StInky]

I hope that Fry comes up with a new buyer, otherwise please explain why the club won't confirm how much they need in donations and how much they still need to go to reach their target? Do you think they actually know?

 

I would think they know. It is possible that someone has agreed to underwrite SFC costs till the end of the season, which might explain why Mark Fry has been silent on the subject.

[miserableoldgit]

MLT was a wonderful player and a great football pundit but sometimes, like us, he wanders into arears where he is only getting one side and that can lead to bias interpretation.

 

I am all for Matt leading the charge for support of the football club but he should not get into the blame game without having an ear of both sides of the argument.

 

That, in my opinion, is what 19C was trying to say.

 

As for Leon Crouch, without him at this testing time we might not have got as far as the Burnley game as a club. It was as fine as that. Leon Crouch is helping prop up this football club at present. A true supporter.

 

And those that know me well know I do not heap praise on Leon easily

19C has been aiming bile at Crouch and McMenemy for a while, and has now included MLT in his list. I would be the first to agree that at times he/she does make some valid points but unfortunately they tend to get lost in the (deliberately?) antagonistic style in which he/she posts. It is a shame because I think that he/she prefers poking the wasps nest with a stick to being the voice of reason.

[trousers]

This may get lost in the arguments but back to the earlier point about people buying tickets but they can't go to the game. I have spoken to the club and have the name and email address of someone in the Saints in the Community dept who can arrange for the tickets to go to a school for underprivileged children.

 

PM me and I will pass on his name. Might as well let the tickets be used.

 

Roswell - probably worth raising this as a separate thread - otherwise it'll get lost in the bun fight.

 

PM on it's way

[Nineteen Canteen]

MLT was only pointing out the blindingly obvious.

 

Also, I accept that, whilst I have been prepared to sit and watch the dross we have suffered this season, I perfectly understand that other supporters have had enough. Long term, everyone turning up just for the sheer hell of it is not sustainable, nineteen canteen. There has to be entertainment, we have to attract youngsters to get smitten with the bug the way that we were. It is not the supporters fault that the club has been financially mismanaged; how can it be?

 

There are plenty of clubs in the Championship taking less in gate money than us that are doing substantially better on and off the pitch, as we all know. They haven't wasted millions on paying off loads of executives, coaching staff and managers or buying underperforming rubbish.

 

I agree it's not the supporters fault it has been mis-managed but they contributed to the problem. MLT was not balanced in his views IMO and the as far as I am aware the 81% of salaries to Turnover was actually under the watch of Wilde, Hone and Crouch and he gace teh impression it was all Lowe. Also, in our first season of relegation fans were less than amused that Lowe went down the route of prudence and only brought in Fuller for £90k, in hindsight that was a smart move. Consolidation was the way forward Lowe was kicked out and off the back of promised and unrealised investment a decision was made to go for broke without IMO consideration for the consequences.

 

Lowe mismanaged our final year in the Premiership but that didn't have to lead to where we are today.

[fos1]

As someone who has been openly critical of Crouch in the past, I can only echo these comments.

 

Without him, we wouldn't even be having the discussion about whether we were going to be able to sell enough tickets for tomorrow's game. There would be no game.

 

Steve what you and Ron have said here is 100% correct, I think it is about time people got off Crouch back, without him no one on here would have a game to go to tomorrow !!

[Micky]

I must admit i don't reads 19C's posts but thanks for drawing this comment to my attention.

 

Le Tissier is a legend and no Saints fan would ever slag him off.

 

19C hang your head in shame.

 

Perhaps then you should start to read 19C's posts, then you would realise that the drivel here:

 

I see that you have now added MLT to your hate list. Very risky!

 

...is totally misquoted and out of context to what was actually posted.

 

Make your own mind up Stanley - don't let others do it for you eh..?

[Saint_clark]

Got a ST but can afford to buy another two.

COYR.

EDIT: another two tickets. Not STs

[cellone]

I have a season ticket and have only been to 2 games, can't make it tomorrow. So at just under £200 a game I should of just done the hospitality twice.

[Nineteen Canteen]

MLT was a wonderful player and a great football pundit but sometimes, like us, he wanders into arears where he is only getting one side and that can lead to bias interpretation.

 

I am all for Matt leading the charge for support of the football club but he should not get into the blame game without having an ear of both sides of the argument.

 

That, in my opinion, is what 19C was trying to say.

 

As for Leon Crouch, without him at this testing time we might not have got as far as the Burnley game as a club. It was as fine as that. Leon Crouch is helping prop up this football club at present. A true supporter.

 

And those that know me well know I do not heap praise on Leon easily

 

Weston,

 

Thanks for this as usual you understand absolutely correctly where I am coming from. Off course I am a massive fan of MLT but I thought his comments were a bit emotive and selective and he would have been better advised to avoid the whole blame issue and concentrate on being the perfect ambassador this club has in waiting.

 

I note your comments on Leon Crouch and certainly I felt he handled himself and the situation very well on SSN last night. Likewise, I felt his rhetoric in the past to be full of false promises and a touch jingoistic but last night he was very measured and got across well the gravity of the situation.

 

NC

[Tamesaint]

I agree it's not the supporters fault it has been mis-managed but they contributed to the problem. MLT was not balanced in his views IMO and the as far as I am aware the 81% of salaries to Turnover was actually under the watch of Wilde, Hone and Crouch and he gace teh impression it was all Lowe. Also, in our first season of relegation fans were less than amused that Lowe went down the route of prudence and only brought in Fuller for £90k, in hindsight that was a smart move. Consolidation was the way forward Lowe was kicked out and off the back of promised and unrealised investment a decision was made to go for broke without IMO consideration for the consequences.

 

Lowe mismanaged our final year in the Premiership but that didn't have to lead to where we are today.

 

I think that it was the first year down that Lowe completely mismanaged - and I am not referrring to the Rednapp / Woodwood / Clifford farce which Lowe oversaw & which made SFC a laughing stock.

 

As Birmingham arer proving this year, the first year down after relegation is when you stand the best chance of getting back up. Lowe's "master stroke" of cutting wages to 50% managed to p*** of the majority of the squad. Instead of putting together a promotion attempt in our first year down we ended up spending most of the season with players who just wanted to get away. Our best chance of getting back up was that season - and we completely blew it!!

 

Interesting that no other relegated team has bothered to copy Lowe's master stroke of reducing wages by 50%. We proved the stupidity of that plan.

[Tamesaint]

Was Lowe the deadweight and is the future bright Tame? I fear we are heading the way of Luton. Many lifelong fans gave up when we had a real chance of survival so who's the baddie? I'm just numb as NickH mentioned or increasingly apathetic hearing about the joys of administration and getting rid of the vermin. The 15,000 vermin or staunchly loyal fans who have backed this club to the hilt and now being asked to give more.

 

I hope that Fry comes up with a new buyer, otherwise please explain why the club won't confirm how much they need in donations and how much they still need to go to reach their target? Do you think they actually know?

 

 

You are fully entitled to your opinion but I thought that supporters SUPPORTed their club in both good times and bad. To call for the life support machine to be switched off is not what I would consider to be the call of a SUPPORTer.

[Nineteen Canteen]

I think that it was the first year down that Lowe completely mismanaged - and I am not referrring to the Rednapp / Woodwood / Clifford farce which Lowe oversaw & which made SFC a laughing stock.

 

As Birmingham arer proving this year, the first year down after relegation is when you stand the best chance of getting back up. Lowe's "master stroke" of cutting wages to 50% managed to p*** of the majority of the squad. Instead of putting together a promotion attempt in our first year down we ended up spending most of the season with players who just wanted to get away. Our best chance of getting back up was that season - and we completely blew it!!

 

Interesting that no other relegated team has bothered to copy Lowe's master stroke of reducing wages by 50%. We proved the stupidity of that plan.

 

Well may be going forward clubs will have to reasses those plans and maybe Lowe's template will be adopted. There can't be any coincidence that we shall be going down with Charlton and most likely Norwich. 3 teams that we can all associate with being in the top division and the fact both Charlton and Saints are going down just 6 years between them both after being in the premiership is surely a warning to others. Wolves may have got the template right.

[Nineteen Canteen]

You are fully entitled to your opinion but I thought that supporters SUPPORTed their club in both good times and bad. To call for the life support machine to be switched off is not what I would consider to be the call of a SUPPORTer.

 

Maybe your right Tame but using you analogy don't beat me up over the fact I feel let down by those supporters who have stayed away this season and who's actions you have defended based on the quality on display.

 

Ultimately, supporters do support in good and bad times lets hope it doesn't go beyond bad .

[Fitzhugh Fella]

As someone who has been openly critical of Crouch in the past, I can only echo these comments.

 

His comments on 5 Live yesterday were ill-informed at best, but it's clear that he simply can't talk to public audiences or the press very well and in hindsight I suspect he wishes he declined the offer of an interview.

 

Without him, we wouldn't even be having the discussion about whether we were going to be able to sell enough tickets for tomorrow's game. There would be no game.

 

Steve - a good honest post. I appreciate where you are coming from re Leon Crouch and I admit to blowing hot and cold too - especially over the last few months but like you said the bottom line is he has kept the club afloat over the last few weeks and for that - love or hate the man - he deserves credit where credit is due.

 

Incidentally had an interesting meeting with Dave Bull and the Echo today re future publications and one of the topics raised was a book on "The PLC years". I for one would never contemplate it because as you know my opinion is too polarised, but throughout the PLC years David Bull has remained apart from the politics (I gave him a hard time over this) which makes him ideally placed (with all his contacts) to write the definitive story taking into account all sides. Watch this space.

[John D]

Steve - a good honest post. I appreciate where you are coming from re Leon Crouch and I admit to blowing hot and cold too - especially over the last few months but like you said the bottom line is he has kept the club afloat over the last few weeks and for that - love or hate the man - he deserves credit where credit is due.

 

.

 

Ignorant question maybe as haven't had time to read the thousands of posts - what has LC done to keep club afloat?

[um pahars]

Ignorant question maybe as haven't had time to read the thousands of posts - what has LC done to keep club afloat?

 

I understand he initially stumped £50k as a donation and since then has been stumping up again to meet the shortfall.

[John D]

I understand he initially stumped £50k as a donation and since then has been stumping up again to meet the shortfall.

 

Cheers

Had a chance to catch up on things now. Whilst uncomfortable with the notion of paying BWP wages it sounds as if every penny is vital. The donate a ticket scheme sounds like the best way of doing it to me

John

[spain saint]

Duncan,

 

This is a tough one. We as supporters have been sold short over the past 3 years but half of those old Premier league gates have been stoical and steadfast in their unstintlng support of the club. I am proud to say I have been one of them and a buyer of multiple season tickets. However, a bit like NickH when he replied to you, I to feel numb partly because of the FL's timing and partly because I find myself feeling little if any sympathy for those fan's who chose to stay away or worse revelled in the prospect of administration.

 

I have listened to many media reports and even on Solent this morning we had fans telling Julian Clegg that they have stayed away this season because they decided it wasn't working, is it working now? Clive Foley on SSN yesterday was spitting bile for Lowe within the first few words and Le Tissier wasn't much better on Solent this morning more intent on getting out the hatchet than promoting unity. Leon Crouch and Nick Illingsworth have surprisingly (the former at least) showed some sense of diplomacy with Crouch refusing and rightly so to discuss blame at this stage and Illingsworth showing balance and understanding but is often ridiculed, why? He is by a country mile the best in communicating to the media and very fair in his assessment. IMO Clive Foley sounded like a male version of Vicky Pollard on SSN talking about the points deduction. 'Yeah but no but, Yeah but no but, Lowe's fault'!

 

Why Duncan should all these fans go and buy these tickets when fan organisations, club celebrities and forum members cannot unite. To be honest I have as much respect for those fans who stayed away as I do for a Portsmouth fans because sub-consciously or otherwise they wished for the same thing, the collapse of SFC.

 

All these people like Crouch, le Tissier , McMenemy and so on must have known the consequences of maintaining an average gate of 16,500 and to hear their bleating and babbling now, well I am running out of radios. It's after-timing in the extreme.

 

Lets not confuse this with the Lowe factor, its acknowledging or understanding how committed our fan base actually is and establish if this season will be repeated when we run the risk of starting off in League 2 in August 2010. What happens if the new consortium come in and is headed up by a character even more divisive than Lowe? Fan's wishing for administration part deux?

 

Perhaps I could get a bit more motivated if our beloved club could actually admit how much they need in donations and Blue Peter style post it on the website as a thermometer and show how hot or cold our donations have been to date and how far to go. The apathy that pervades the fans is as acute and reflected in the club communications today IMO as it was 2 months and probably because it's condition 'frantic'.

 

Duncan. true Saints fan recognised the critical nature of the situation back in August and so it's useless making an appeal to them as they have their STs or bought their tickets already. I cannot bring myself to donate anymore until the players especially those on £4k pw or more take a 50% paycut until the new owner is installed. The excuse is they are worried about their future well I think its time to show it and do something to preserve thier future. Why is the club not helping itself by doing something about this issue immediately?

 

We have a fragmented fanbase and in places a very shallow one and if we disappear overnight there will be much gnashing of teeth and wailing. The club will be resurrected , maybe but judging by all these supporters groups and divided opinion we will probably end up with two clubs in the bowels of non-league football. Call to arms? Which side do people run to?

 

Cue all the abuse now about it's the fans fault, well sorry its largely true and if the post relegation has been tough its going to get a lot tougher. So if as Duncan suggests you are a True Saints fan then its time to seek some redemption if not then we'll try and do it the hard way but please keep your distance in future. To the rest of us the Burnley game is only the start and if Oldham, Hartlepool and Brentford don't do it for you next season then don't kid yoursleves and more importantly us and the new owners.

 

 

I didn't read this! HTH!

[red&white56]

I've just bought 2 tickets for myself and the nipper. I'm going for the club - now's the time to show your support for your club. This is not the time to sit back and point the finger of blame. The fans need to show any potential new owner the true level of support.

[up and away]

Originally Posted by Nineteen Canteen

All about prevention Trousers because sometimes the cure proves to be ineffective. Withholding before = cure, Withholding now = you've done your best to prevent the illness and find a cure and now it maybe time to switch off the life support.

Now there's true colours for you. Bye - don't come back - we don't need your kind of 'support' now. I admit I was not fearful of admin to clear the club of the vermin, but now is the time to REALLY support the club. If you're really a supporter that is - are you?

 

With idiots like you I really cannot put up a strong case as why it does not deserve to be us. In case you had not noticed, the horse has bolted. This has all been obvious from day 1, but only now we get everyone trying to help. Just think how effective this could have been a season earlier. At least NC has a season ticket and supported the club.

[up and away]

Originally Posted by Weston Saint

As for Leon Crouch, without him at this testing time we might not have got as far as the Burnley game as a club. It was as fine as that. Leon Crouch is helping prop up this football club at present. A true supporter.

And those that know me well know I do not heap praise on Leon easily

As someone who has been openly critical of Crouch in the past, I can only echo these comments.

 

His comments on 5 Live yesterday were ill-informed at best, but it's clear that he simply can't talk to public audiences or the press very well and in hindsight I suspect he wishes he declined the offer of an interview.

 

Without him, we wouldn't even be having the discussion about whether we were going to be able to sell enough tickets for tomorrow's game. There would be no game.

 

I don't think you will find anyone to argue that point. But without a shadow of doubt if Crouch had not assisted at all, we would not be needing anything now! It has been very simple from the beginning, our best chance was for all parties to work together, something Crouch could not do if his life (or Saints) depended upon it. I will still donate as Saints future depends upon it, but I don't want this dumb pikey advising to help clear up the mess he had a major part in creating. It's OK saying he was against signing Euell, when months later and knowing how bad things actually were, he signed Andrew Davies. Plenty of talk about what he actually would have done, but all the action lies elsewhere.

[SOTONS EAST SIDE]

I was a stay away fan, but i did my part and had bought a ST. I have done my part again and bought 3 tickets, which i will give to my 70year old father (who's distraught over SFC) and my 2 nippers! I cant go, so the wifes using the ST!

 

 

And NC, as for Lowes template's no one will ever use them as their use once,wax sh-ite,one off's and are resigned to history LIKE LOWE!!! TFFT!!!

Edited 24 April, 2009 by SOTONS EAST SIDE

[bridge too far]

I do wish people would stop using the term 'pikey'. I think it's an offensive term to use.