70's Mike Posted 26 April, 2009 Share Posted 26 April, 2009 Alan Knill from Bury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 26 April, 2009 Share Posted 26 April, 2009 Haven't seen another thread about this, so... What are peoples opinions on Wottes position come the end of the season? How would you feel if the new owners decided to keep him on? In my opinion, given the quality of manager we are likely to attract in League 1, i'd be more than happy to keep Wotte on, yes he hasnt kept us up, but I cant help feeling that given a full pre-season / full season in charge he could give it a real go next year (I dont think we will bounce back up at the first time of asking however, no matter what manager we get in). Absolutely not (notte?). He has to share responsibility for our performance - he was here all season remember - and ultimate relegation this year and, in my view, we have to end all ties with Lowe's ridiculous experiment and start afresh with new ideas, new team management and new focus. It would be catastrophic to retain Wotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 26 April, 2009 Share Posted 26 April, 2009 Not sure. Wouldn't be that upset if he stayed or went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 April, 2009 Share Posted 26 April, 2009 Get rid of Wotte. Appoint one of following. Micky Adams Iain Dowie Paul Tisdale is that the Mickey adams who has just been sacked at Brighton as they plumetted to L2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 26 April, 2009 Share Posted 26 April, 2009 Get rid of Wotte. Appoint one of following. Micky Adams Iain Dowie Why? Their recent records are terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 April, 2009 Share Posted 26 April, 2009 Not sure. Wouldn't be that upset if he stayed or went. Could do worse, Shearer for instance.Tomorrow's match against Skate may just show the exact level of his competence compared with say Paul Hart who's scraped about a bit at the lower levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 26 April, 2009 Share Posted 26 April, 2009 Could do worse, Shearer for instance.Tomorrow's match against Skate may just show the exact level of his competence compared with say Paul Hart who's scraped about a bit at the lower levels. Those are my thoughts. I don't think Wotte is the greatest manager in the world, but I'd much rather have him than some of the other people that keep getting mentioned on here. I also think we would done a lot better if he had been in charge for the whole season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 April, 2009 Share Posted 26 April, 2009 Those are my thoughts. I don't think Wotte is the greatest manager in the world, but I'd much rather have him than some of the other people that keep getting mentioned on here. I also think we would done a lot better if he had been in charge for the whole season.to a degree i can agree with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 April, 2009 Share Posted 26 April, 2009 Those are my thoughts. I don't think Wotte is the greatest manager in the world, but I'd much rather have him than some of the other people that keep getting mentioned on here. I also think we would done a lot better if he had been in charge for the whole season. Agreed I think Dowie and Adams have gotten so used to being sacked that they're not worth a candle just now. I'm no big Wotte fan but if he had the right players at his disposal all season he may be a better bet than either Shearer,Dowie or Adams. There may be better of course but it'd be a step down for many and depends exactly what the budget is. Just because we may get a guy with serious cash as owner doesn't mean he's going to throw it all at us straightaway. Mike Ashley will serve as a shining example of the ups and downs of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 26 April, 2009 Share Posted 26 April, 2009 I would go for someone like Dowie. Would be harsh to sack Wotte but I think it would be too much of a risk to let him try his luck at league 1 level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 April, 2009 Share Posted 26 April, 2009 What has MW's record been since he has been in charge.I think he has won 4 in 17/18 games. Not great I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scally Posted 26 April, 2009 Share Posted 26 April, 2009 No we need a clean sweep, including the Dutch bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 26 April, 2009 Share Posted 26 April, 2009 What has MW's record been since he has been in charge.I think he has won 4 in 17/18 games. Not great I agree. Played 17 Won 4 Drawn 7 Lost 6 Points 19 Points per Game 1.1 which if repeated over a season would have us on 51 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 26 April, 2009 Share Posted 26 April, 2009 Played 17 Won 4 Drawn 7 Lost 6 Points 19 Points per Game 1.1 which if repeated over a season would have us on 51 points. Which is in fact pants - Captain Pants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Why? Their recent records are terrible. Adams has got various teams promoted from league 1. Dowie was not given any time with Charlton and QPR who went on to do to worse after he was sacked. Dowie has been successfull with Palace and Oldham. The fact Shearer wanted him right now says alot about his reputation in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treggs23 Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I had a bizarre dream on Saturday night that Saints were considering appointing either Dennis Wise or Ken Monkou...probably nothing in it though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 The more I hear about Mr Wotte the more I am convinced he has to go along with Mr Gore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I had a bizarre dream on Saturday night that Saints were considering appointing either Dennis Wise or Ken Monkou...probably nothing in it though think you are probably right;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpofshipperley Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I think ANYONE who wants the architect of Lowe's plan this year to stay is barking mad. Sorry - the man is a fraud, disunites the fans, is regarded as a ***** in the dressing room, is Lowe's man not the new owners, was behind total football with kids, has demonstrated that he cannot motivate a team to any form of success and will have taken us down regardless of the FA points deduction. Add the fact that there are a dozen or so unemployed better British managers who understand the Leagues 1 and CCC and the teams within it, who have heart and passion, and unlike Wotte who has only ever relegated sides (including his Dutch one) and is thus a proven failure (like his previous master) then I think we close even further on the no-brainer decision to get the Dutch **** out of this club for good. Wotte was behind the whole of this season. He has killed the club... and a handful want to keep him on?! LOL. Strong opinion! I can't see how he is a fraud, not heard of any dressing room dissent, and nowadays practically everything disunites the fans! The kids idea was Lowe's, in an effort to drive down costs and Wotte and Portaloo were brought in to execute that idea. Frankly if we had all the players from last season we'd have gone into administration by January. Football's a business and the financial noose has been hanging around our necks since we've been relegated. The defence has been cack since the relegation season to be absolutely fair. If you look at last season's team that escaped relegation and this season's then it was always going to be hard. The only way you can compare would be between Wotte and Portaloo and on that account Wotte wins on every count. I think he's done ok, given the team's form when he took over. He comes across with some ego, but frankly that's what you want your manager to have. The football has been better, but the defending was just as bad and that's ultimately what has cost us this season. We do not defend as a team, and probably haven't done since WGS left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 After his comments about lowe I would defiantely get rid. I have also met him and all he does is stick up for lowe and is very arrogant. That coupled with the fact he is a clown of a manager and I come up with the simple answer NO WAY, GET RID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Wotte has to go, no two ways about it. He was Poortvliet's right hand man, here through all the dismal failure entailed in that and even though he ditched the bizarre plan of Lowe's of playing a team full of kids and reverted to a formation more attuned to this division and this country, other factors still point to him being out of his depth. Ridiculous statements comparing such crap players as Smith being World class don't help his case. Neither do I believe that he has much in the way of motivational powers or much tactical prowess. But ultimately, regardless of all those other reasons, he was brought here by Lowe to replace Pearson. Because of that, he ought to go, to ram down Lowe's throat that if he wanted to be so petty just because Pearson was Crouch's choice, then he ought to expect that somebody else will do the same to his choice. And the only glimmer of satisfaction that can be obtained from our relegation is that Leicester under Pearson are passing us on the way up as we have fallen into the third division through Lowe's crass stupidity in appointing the incompetant Dutch duo. If it means that the cretinous imbecile has no further imput into our club, along with his cronies, then perhaps relegation might still eventually be a price worth paying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Mentioned it on another thread, but he has a contract until the end of the season, which means we can let him go without any cost after the Forest game. He will be gone by Sunday evening, imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Played 17 Won 4 Drawn 7 Lost 6 Points 19 Points per Game 1.1 which if repeated over a season would have us on 51 points.Thanks Um. Not great. I know that it is on par or may be sl8ightly better than some others without getting loans or buying.Im torn as I do quite like the way he talks in interviews , but the stats are not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I think it is hard for a bloke to come in mid-way through a disastrous season and immediately turn things around. I'd be happy to see him here next season after a chance to work with the team pre-season. If not... I perhaps wouldn't rule out Jim Magilton coming here? Over 150 appearances for us in the past... A Championship manager wouldn't go a miss in League One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I think it is hard for a bloke to come in mid-way through a disastrous season and immediately turn things around. I'd be happy to see him here next season after a chance to work with the team pre-season. If not... I perhaps wouldn't rule out Jim Magilton coming here? Over 150 appearances for us in the past... A Championship manager wouldn't go a miss in League One. But did he come in halfway through the season? He might not have had responsibility for choosing the team match by match until later, but he was certainly here at the beginning of the season and had some influence and input surely in the goings on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 But did he come in halfway through the season? He might not have had responsibility for choosing the team match by match until later, but he was certainly here at the beginning of the season and had some influence and input surely in the goings on.Wes from the fairly reliable info I have and taking into acocount how they were marketed(I know they were set up as a duo, but MW looked at other areas of the squad), MW took a back seat and had little input into the team affairs until Jan left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Wes from the fairly reliable info I have and taking into acocount how they were marketed(I know they were set up as a duo, but MW looked at other areas of the squad), MW took a back seat and had little input into the team affairs until Jan left. He may well have had little input, but how much was output to him? All I'm saying, Nick, is that the situation with Wotte was not really a case of him arriving halfway through the season and not knowing what was Wotte at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc6mufc3 Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 if he doesn't want to stay then great and he wants to stay then get rid of him. Bottom line is - he has not performed well nor has he kept us up - my reading into this is that he hasn't done his job. If I didn't do my job I'd be sacked - end of. Also what is the fascination with Ince?. He had success with MK Dons granted but they were in div 2 and he got found out when making the step up - he hardly puleld up trees at Blackburn. Settle for Aidy Boothroyd myself or Jimbo Magilton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 if he doesn't want to stay then great and he wants to stay then get rid of him. Bottom line is - he has not performed well nor has he kept us up - my reading into this is that he hasn't done his job. If I didn't do my job I'd be sacked - end of. Also what is the fascination with Ince?. He had success with MK Dons granted but they were in div 2 and he got found out when making the step up - he hardly puleld up trees at Blackburn. Settle for Aidy Boothroyd myself or Jimbo Magilton. maybe because he did not pull up trees at Blackburn IS A GOOD REASON TO APPOINT HIM , as we are now a Division 3 side ( cannot be doing with this Div one rubbish) We have to get someone who can spot a good player for that division not the premiership , Ince did that at MK dONS. Me i think Alan Knill at Bury could do a good job, he has served his apprentice in the lowe leagues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 As good a manager as I think Wotte is, I honestly reckon we need a completely new set of faces behind the scenes so we can put this awful season behind us. We need someone young who will be with us for the long term, who has experience of the lower leagues, and a big enough name to attract players to a "sinking ship". Paul Ince ticks all the boxes. Provided he's cheap and up for the challenge, I reckon he'd be a superb appointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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