Crouch on 5Live last night

[buctootim]

Am I the only one struck by how much more effective Mark Fry is an advocate for the club compared with any of individuals weve had in recent years. I know its not possible, but I'd love to see him as the next CEO.

[fromthedell]

crouch starting to **** me off now i know its mainly ruperts fault but its also partly crouchs fault and he said lowe has a ruddy cheek if he turns up at the forest game but he has been turning up at all the games like he is totally innocent.

just hope if we are bought out crouch has nothing to do with saints anymore

[hypochondriac]

crouch starting to **** me off now i know its mainly ruperts fault but its also partly crouchs fault and he said lowe has a ruddy cheek if he turns up at the forest game but he has been turning up at all the games like he is totally innocent.

just hope if we are bought out crouch has nothing to do with saints anymore

 

Well seeing as he has been bankrolling the club the last few weeks and without him you wouldn't currently have a club to discuss, I think your comments are a dam cheek to be perfectly honest. Yes Crouch has his flaws but at least he is showing he cares by putting his hand in his pocket. If Lowe did the same then I wouldn't mind him coming to games. He never would though and IMO is scum. How dare he show up to the game after everything he has done. What a horrible arrogant git.

[captain sensible]

For the sake of accuracy this is what was said:

 

 

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8014811.stm

 

Not at all clever and I imagine Mark Fry has told him so.

 

On the other hand Leon seems to be single-handedly keeping the company afloat at present by paying electricity bills etc so let's not be too harsh on him.

 

He also said elsewhere that the players have already been paid in full this month. The players' role in this really p1sses me off. They are the ones that underperformed on the pitch. They are also the people attached to the club with the most money. If they collectively paid back half of their monthly pay packet I'm sure the club would easily survive until a sale goes through. I've got no time for any of them that haven't helped the club in this way.

 

Well never mind.......He probably only repeated whay Um Pahars had posted on here a few weeks ago. Um pretty much spelt it out for Mahwinney and Crouch probably before they even thought of it!

[washsaint]

And where is this evidence that Crouch has bankrolled the club for the last few weeks?

 

The sooner the club, if there is one left, is without all the old amigos (Crouch, Lowe, the lot) the better!

[SET]

Crouch oversaw the spending of £7m which thrust the club into an over draught.

 

He maybe putting money in the club now, but bearing in mind he is as responsible as Lowe, Wilde and the others, so he blooming well should be.

 

The club needs a total overhaul, it needs an owner to come in and get rid of all the poision that's surrounded the club.

 

If i were in a position to buy the club, heads would roll, just about everyone in a position of responsibilty would be looking for work.

[saint_ed]

Crouch oversaw the spending of £7m which thrust the club into an over draught.

 

He maybe putting money in the club now, but bearing in mind he is as responsible as Lowe, Wilde and the others, so he blooming well should be.

 

The club needs a total overhaul, it needs an owner to come in and get rid of all the poision that's surrounded the club.

 

If i were in a position to buy the club, heads would roll, just about everyone in a position of responsibilty would be looking for work.

 

I absolutely agree. I think far too many people are afraid to question Crouch's responsibility in that summer of spending. He holds just as much responsibility as Hone, Hoos, Dulieu, and Wilde IMO.

[hypochondriac]

And where is this evidence that Crouch has bankrolled the club for the last few weeks?

 

The sooner the club, if there is one left, is without all the old amigos (Crouch, Lowe, the lot) the better!

 

Listen I don't want him involved in a position of influence in the long term. At the very least he has given 50,000 to the club so to then start insulting him is low IMO.

[Seaford Saint]

Crouch oversaw the spending of £7m which thrust the club into an over draught.

 

He maybe putting money in the club now, but bearing in mind he is as responsible as Lowe, Wilde and the others, so he blooming well should be.

 

The club needs a total overhaul, it needs an owner to come in and get rid of all the poision that's surrounded the club.

 

If i were in a position to buy the club, heads would roll, just about everyone in a position of responsibilty would be looking for work.

Your first 2 sentences are laughable/lamentable!!!!! some people........

 

If Crouch read ill informed comments like yours and walked away, I wouldn't blame him at all

[hypochondriac]

Crouch oversaw the spending of £7m which thrust the club into an over draught.

 

He maybe putting money in the club now, but bearing in mind he is as responsible as Lowe, Wilde and the others, so he blooming well should be.

 

The club needs a total overhaul, it needs an owner to come in and get rid of all the poision that's surrounded the club.

 

If i were in a position to buy the club, heads would roll, just about everyone in a position of responsibilty would be looking for work.

 

No he didn't. He was never in a position (apart from a very short period) where he could do anything about transfers.

[hypochondriac]

Your first 2 sentences are laughable/lamentable!!!!! some people........

 

If Crouch read ill informed comments like yours and walked away, I wouldn't blame him at all

 

Imagine if he just walked off now ****ed off at ill-informed and pathetic comments then the club folded. I wonder what some of the posters on here would say then.

[washsaint]

So you're admitting hypo that your comments about Crouch bankrolling the club, paying leccy bills, etc was a lie?

 

It's very commendable he's put money in - as it is with everyone else who has done likewise.

 

But to portray him as some kind of semi-god on here is wide of the mark - almost every time he opens his mouth he comes across as a buffoon (bit like Strode-Gibbons when he was made to look a pratt on the radio as well)

[NickG]

do we actually know that he has kept the club going?

 

Bit sceptical due to;

lack of confirmation from Fry

comments from Fry stating not imminent and in hand

fact that last time this was widely states - paying wages, paying for loan player, donations etc they were later found not to be true.

 

Anyone know the facts?

[John B]

I absolutely agree. I think far too many people are afraid to question Crouch's responsibility in that summer of spending. He holds just as much responsibility as Hone, Hoos, Dulieu, and Wilde IMO.

 

I dont think he does as the people you mentioned did not respect him so his input was probably negligable he was even voted off the SLH board and was not made Chairman when Wilde ran away

[hypochondriac]

Many people on here have stated that he has written a number of cheques over the past few weeks to keep the club afloat. This has included people who are not his biggest fan and also people outside of here who I have spoken to. I knew if I said this you would have said "well you have no proof". Well we know he has given 50k because he said so on the radio. I believe he has given more over the past few weeks but you can believe what you like.

[Verbal]

I don’t understand what Crouch means by the claim that the PLC was set up to avoid the points penalty.

 

I’m sure someone knows the dates better than me, but I thought the PLC was formed in 1997, in the reverse takeover. The points-deduction system wasn’t introduced until 2004. So how can the holding company possibly have been set up to avoid the penalty. And was Crouch even there at the time?

 

Whatever the rights or wrongs of Mawhinney’s decision to deduct points, his sleazy delight at finding that quote from Crouch suggests the craven, slimeball politician in him is alive and well.

 

According to David Conn ('The Beautiful Game? Searching for the Soul of Football'), holding companies were actually set up as a way for club owners to bypass an FA rule that was supposed to protect clubs from asset strippers. Sound familiar?)

[VectisSaint]

Crouch oversaw the spending of £7m which thrust the club into an over draught.

 

He maybe putting money in the club now, but bearing in mind he is as responsible as Lowe, Wilde and the others, so he blooming well should be.

This is absolute rubbish. Crouch did not oversee transfers, he was a minority on the board when Wilde and his gang were in control and seems to have been sidelined by them completely, ending in his being forced from the Board. The only time he had this sort of influence was between Dec 2007 and April 2008 when he was attempting to reduce costs by loaning out the big earners (rasiak and Skacel) and planning th corner closure and bus service cut backs which were kater implemented by Lowe. I think like one or two other misinformed people you are confusing Crouch with Wilde. Crouch is not entirely innocent, but he is nothing like the criminal you seem to imagine him to be.

[benjii]

I don’t understand what Crouch means by the claim that the PLC was set up to avoid the points penalty.

 

I’m sure someone knows the dates better than me, but I thought the PLC was formed in 1997, in the reverse takeover. The points-deduction system wasn’t introduced until 2004. So how can the holding company possibly have been set up to avoid the penalty. And was Crouch even there at the time?

 

Whatever the rights or wrongs of Mawhinney’s decision to deduct points, his sleazy delight at finding that quote from Crouch suggests the craven, slimeball politician in him is alive and well.

 

According to David Conn ('The Beautiful Game? Searching for the Soul of Football'), holding companies were actually set up as a way for club owners to bypass an FA rule that was supposed to protect clubs from asset strippers. Sound familiar?)

 

Yes, quite.

 

There are so many reasons why Crouch clearly wasn't trying to say the PLC was set up with the forethought of administration writ large on its conscience.

 

I think I may have said something similar towards the start of this thread but it seems to have been not rabid enough to have been noteworthy!

[John B]

This is absolute rubbish. Crouch did not oversee transfers, he was a minority on the board when Wilde and his gang were in control and seems to have been sidelined by them completely, ending in his being forced from the Board. The only time he had this sort of influence was between Dec 2007 and April 2008 when he was attempting to reduce costs by loaning out the big earners (rasiak and Skacel) and planning th corner closure and bus service cut backs which were kater implemented by Lowe. I think like one or two other misinformed people you are confusing Crouch with Wilde. Crouch is not entirely innocent, but he is nothing like the criminal you seem to imagine him to be.

 

Strange but somebody agrees with me.

 

 

The only crime Crouch is guilty of is believing Mr Wilde that investment was imminentand appointing Gorman and Dodd.

 

 

Although at the time I thought it was a good move as Crouch was hinting that investment was around the corner and we were not near the relegation zone

[Gorgiesaint]

I don’t understand what Crouch means by the claim that the PLC was set up to avoid the points penalty.

 

I’m sure someone knows the dates better than me, but I thought the PLC was formed in 1997, in the reverse takeover. The points-deduction system wasn’t introduced until 2004. So how can the holding company possibly have been set up to avoid the penalty. And was Crouch even there at the time?

 

Whatever the rights or wrongs of Mawhinney’s decision to deduct points, his sleazy delight at finding that quote from Crouch suggests the craven, slimeball politician in him is alive and well.

 

According to David Conn ('The Beautiful Game? Searching for the Soul of Football'), holding companies were actually set up as a way for club owners to bypass an FA rule that was supposed to protect clubs from asset strippers. Sound familiar?)

 

Whatever the rights & wrongs, IMO Crouch's comments after the announcement of the points deduction were ill-timed to say the least. As regards the timings, what would he have known as the plc was set up way before he was involved with the club at any level above being a supporter.

 

That said, at least he is making some effort to try and save the club - unlike Lowe, Wilde & Askham.

[eelpie]

We're not going to court. We're in the wrong, we've cheated the system.

 

 

Crouch said so himself (unintentionally).

[um pahars]

Well never mind.......He probably only repeated whay Um Pahars had posted on here a few weeks ago. Um pretty much spelt it out for Mahwinney and Crouch probably before they even thought of it!

 

I hope it's not all my fault that we got those 10 points deducted:mad:

[obelisk]

I really don't know why some so called Saints fans have it in for a Saints fan who actually dips into his pocket. For some reason they seem to prefer leeches that suck the life from the club. Unbelievable.

[Verbal]

Whatever the rights & wrongs, IMO Crouch's comments after the announcement of the points deduction were ill-timed to say the least. As regards the timings, what would he have known as the plc was set up way before he was involved with the club at any level above being a supporter.

 

That said, at least he is making some effort to try and save the club - unlike Lowe, Wilde & Askham.

 

I think you're missing the point I was making. Crouch was talking nonsense - literally. For Mawhinney to use this in the way he did either demonstrates negligent ignorance or a political predator's taste for the kill. Or both.

 

The fact that the chief adminsitrator of a football authority should revert to the low-life he was as a politician doesn't exactly fill me with confidence, at least (I speak as someone who had to deal with this guy in a former life).

 

The bigger picture is that Mawhinney needs to find an alternative to the points-deduction penalty. It may have been endurable when the economy was such that it could sell more than one car a month. But in the worst economic crash since the Depression, a lot of other clubs are going to find it hard just to stay in business. And with Mawhinney continuing blithely down the points-deduction route, it's a bit like running a marathon where the judges run out like lunatics every so often to trip you up.

 

Even the justification for the points deduction betrays an act of spectacular political cowardice. Ostensibly it's to stop clubs overspending and gaining advantage over their rivals. The reality - about which Mawhinney knows absolutely nothing - is that clubs in the lower leagues have for years now suffered from the trickle-down effects of the ludicrous salaries paid to premiership players. The cost of just 'staying in the game' and attracting players who can perform at Championship or League One level has always been affected by this. And badly.

 

But you won't hear a peep out of Mawhinney about the real source of the trouble. The other aspect of political cowardice has been pretty well illustrated by the sanctions against both us and Luton. The additional penalties heaped unfairly on Luton because of the underhand irregularities of a previous regime should have resulted in bans on those involved being involved in football. But no - thump the club instead, a much easier target which can't fight back with lawsuits.

 

Similarly, if Mawhinney were actually serious about his suggestion of financial mismanagement, ban Lowe and all the others from running football clubs. Will that happen? Of course not. I suspect Mawhinney is savvy enough about self-protection that he doesn't want to risk the lawsuit from a litigious Lowe.

 

This isn't an argument that can be reduced to 'the rules are the rules...' There's also an unhealthy dose of cowardice, self-preservation, spite, and nauseating political opportunism.

 

In an economic crisis where many clubs face going to wall, what we need is a football administrator with the wit and imagination to steer League Football through these dangerous times. What we've got is Mawhinney - a simpering Thatcherite acolyte with the imagination of a brick.