alpine_saint Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 Who do we suspect of being complicit in the lobbying that got our points deducted ? Norwich, Forest, and Burnley, obviously. I suspect Luton and Doncaster out of sheer spite. who else is deserving of our wrath when we play them ?
slickmick Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 alpine_saint said: Who do we suspect of being complicit in the lobbying that got our points deducted ? Norwich, Forest, and Burnley, obviously. I suspect Luton and Doncaster out of sheer spite. who else is deserving of our wrath when we play them ? Did you mean Barnsley ?
The9 Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 Why should it matter, if we didn't have messed up finances and a team full of kids it wouldn't be an issue?
slickmick Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 Out of the three, Barnsley seemed the more vocal. The team I would like to go down with us are Forest, mainly because I can't stand Billy Davies. Would make the last game at the City Ground more interesting aswell.
saints_is_the_south Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 slickmick said: Did you mean Barnsley ? And why Doncaster? do you mean Rotherham or Bournemouth?
Katalinic Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 If the shoe was on the other foot we would have been as vocal. Better to concentrate our efforts on saving OUR club than wasting time on vendetta and recrimination.
September Saint Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 Let's not blame individual clubs. It is Mawhinney and the league who are responsible. In their eyes our biggest offence is to highlight a poorly drafted rule. They are also at fault for allowing billions of pounds to come flooding in from overseas to Premier League clubs. It is now far more expensive for other clubs to survive without borrowing. We should and must pursue legal redress all the way. It is not impossible for us to get extra penalty points next season and be in L2 the year after.
saintwarwick Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 adriansfc said: Surprised more hasn't been made of the fact a norwich director was involved in the decision. Don't see how that can be fair/legal in any way. So it's Norwich for me. See you in league 1. That's how I see it, a rival relegation candidate on the board, seems Norwich are looking to cheat their way out of relegation.
The Majestic Channon Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 adriansfc said: Surprised more hasn't been made of the fact a norwich director was involved in the decision. Don't see how that can be fair/legal in any way. So it's Norwich for me. See you in league 1. Imagine if forest need to win against us to send Norwich down, maybe we could ' take it easy' that day..no change there, might as well be consistant. I too am baffled by the lack of fuss over the Norwich dirctor being on the panel.
CB Fry Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 alpine_saint said: Who do we suspect of being complicit in the lobbying that got our points deducted ? Norwich, Forest, and Burnley, obviously. I suspect Luton and Doncaster out of sheer spite. who else is deserving of our wrath when we play them ? On another thread..... alpine_saint said: Not bitter at all, and certainly not dwelling on it. Some of us have seen this coming since the start of the season, so have got used to it. You really are a t w a t, Alpine. My prediction is you will stop dwelling on this in about 2035.
yorkiesaint Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 Look, the bottom line is that we can have no complaints about the points deduction. Lowe and Wilde were myopic if they really believed they would get away with it, as other loopholes have been closed retrospectively in the past. in reality, the league had no choice and none of these clubs are to blame.
CB Fry Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 saintwarwick said: That's how I see it, a rival relegation candidate on the board, seems Southampton were looking to cheat their way out of relegation. I fixed it for you.
brmbrm Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 September Saint said: Let's not blame individual clubs. It is Mawhinney and the league who are responsible. In their eyes our biggest offence is to highlight a poorly drafted rule. They are also at fault for allowing billions of pounds to come flooding in from overseas to Premier League clubs. It is now far more expensive for other clubs to survive without borrowing. We should and must pursue legal redress all the way. It is not impossible for us to get extra penalty points next season and be in L2 the year after. You can't blame the Fl for that - blame the greedy PL. Plus we knew the rules when we strted the season, so its a bit late to shout "foul" at the league. Better to blame the incompetents who trashed the club.
Pilchards Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 It will be Norwich for me. A repeat of the premiership drop with Charlton a few years back. So who will bounce back first then? Doubt it will be us as we are in a right ****ing mess.
alpine_saint Posted 24 April, 2009 Author Posted 24 April, 2009 slickmick said: Did you mean Barnsley ? Yes, thanks. Always get them mixed up. They begin with "B" and are full of dirty northern monkeys ;-)
alpine_saint Posted 24 April, 2009 Author Posted 24 April, 2009 CB Fry said: On another thread..... You really are a t w a t, Alpine. My prediction is you will stop dwelling on this in about 2035. Nope, missed again CeeBeebies. This was intended to be a humorous thread. Who the f**k describes anything as "wrath" in reality ? Not suprised a self-important arse like you missed the point.
alpine_saint Posted 24 April, 2009 Author Posted 24 April, 2009 Pilchards said: It will be Norwich for me. A repeat of the premiership drop with Charlton a few years back. So who will bounce back first then? Doubt it will be us as we are in a right ****ing mess. I've hated Norwich ever since Fleck got MLT sent off in the FA Cup.
CB Fry Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 alpine_saint said: Nope, missed again CeeBeebies. This was intended to be a humorous thread. Who the f**k describes anything as "wrath" in reality ? Not suprised a self-important arse like you missed the point. I'm the self important one? alpine_saint said: Who do we suspect of being complicit in the lobbying that got our points deducted ? Norwich, Forest, and Burnley, obviously. I suspect Luton and Doncaster out of sheer spite. who else is deserving of our wrath when we play them ? "I suspect Luton and Doncaster out of sheer spite" Oh, my aching sides. Stop it you're killing us. You couldn't pull a humourous thread out of you bottom.
Mole Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 slickmick said: Out of the three, Barnsley seemed the more vocal. The team I would like to go down with us are Forest, mainly because I can't stand Billy Davies. Would make the last game at the City Ground more interesting aswell. I want forest down with us. I'm going to the city ground with 5 forest fans and sitting in their mainstand. I'll be miserable as **** so i hope they are too.
SaintRobbie Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 alpine_saint said: Who do we suspect of being complicit in the lobbying that got our points deducted ? Norwich, Forest, and Burnley, obviously. I suspect Luton and Doncaster out of sheer spite. who else is deserving of our wrath when we play them ? It doesnt matter and to be honest we probably deserve it. We were always going down this season, lets take the points now and get on with next season with new ownership and optimism! Lowe has gone forever.
September Saint Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 brmbrm said: You can't blame the Fl for that - blame the greedy PL. Plus we knew the rules when we strted the season, so its a bit late to shout "foul" at the league. Better to blame the incompetents who trashed the club. ....and who allowed the PL to form?
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 (edited) alpine_saint said: Who do we suspect of being complicit in the lobbying that got our points deducted ? Norwich, Forest, and Burnley, obviously. I suspect Luton and Doncaster out of sheer spite. who else is deserving of our wrath when we play them ? So if we finished 3rd from bottom, 9 points behind a team in our current financial position, you wouldn't be creating a fuss to get that team's points deducted? Edited 24 April, 2009 by EastleighSoulBoy
SFKA South Woodford Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 alpine_saint said: Who do we suspect of being complicit in the lobbying that got our points deducted ? Norwich, Forest, and Burnley, obviously. I suspect Luton and Doncaster out of sheer spite. who else is deserving of our wrath when we play them ? I think you will find, that Luton and their fans would be more than sympathetic with our plight, as they hate the football league and Mawhinney with a passion, and don't want any clubs to suffer the injustice that they have.
unisaint Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 Norwich fan in peace here...consider myself a semi-saint in that I like Saints to do well when it doesn't directly affect City, i'm at Soton Uni and try and make a few games a year - will be at the Burnley game tomorrow. Just wanted to clear up the point about NCFC's chief exec. being on the league board that made the points deduction - yes, he is, but he also declared his interest in the matter and had no vote in the decision : "The Board of the Football League made the decision yesterday but Canaries chief executive Neil Doncaster did not vote. “As one of the three Championship clubs representatives on the Football League board I along with the others seven directors discussed the Southampton situation at length,” he said. “I declared an interest as is proper to do so and did not vote on the Southampton question.” For what it's worth, I don't agree with points deductions in general, but think that if the league has decided that is the punishment they are giving then Southampton deserve it as much as any other club in administration. I don't think it is something that can be fought in court either, it is essentially a private members league and the people who run it can pretty much do what they like.
explorer saint Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 adriansfc said: Surprised more hasn't been made of the fact a norwich director was involved in the decision. Don't see how that can be fair/legal in any way. So it's Norwich for me. See you in league 1. Agree totally this has hardly seemed to of got a mention. There must be some law/ rule to this effect that this person cannot be involved in the decision if his club has an immediate interest, what's Mahwinney got to say about that
OfnPanad Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 I'd like Barnsley to go down - Oakwell's right on my doorstep
explorer saint Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 unisaint said: Norwich fan in peace here...consider myself a semi-saint in that I like Saints to do well when it doesn't directly affect City, i'm at Soton Uni and try and make a few games a year - will be at the Burnley game tomorrow. Just wanted to clear up the point about NCFC's chief exec. being on the league board that made the points deduction - yes, he is, but he also declared his interest in the matter and had no vote in the decision : "The Board of the Football League made the decision yesterday but Canaries chief executive Neil Doncaster did not vote. “As one of the three Championship clubs representatives on the Football League board I along with the others seven directors discussed the Southampton situation at length,” he said. “I declared an interest as is proper to do so and did not vote on the Southampton question.” For what it's worth, I don't agree with points deductions in general, but think that if the league has decided that is the punishment they are giving then Southampton deserve it as much as any other club in administration. I don't think it is something that can be fought in court either, it is essentially a private members league and the people who run it can pretty much do what they like. OK didn't see this so happy to take back
VectisSaint Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 Blaming other clubs seems rather childish and frankly quite wrong. The time for blame is past, but if you must blame someone the blame sits fairly and squarely with Messers Lowe and Wilde.
the saint in winchester Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 VectisSaint said: Blaming other clubs seems rather childish and frankly quite wrong. The time for blame is past, but if you must blame someone the blame sits fairly and squarely with Messers Lowe and Wilde. Yeah, let's let it go. We can't move on if we are still eaten up with this. I think we'll be able to make up a -10 next season, but let's not argue this such that we lose all the friends we have and may even end up having the penalty points increased. Next season, L1 with new owners, a new chairman, new board, committed players. The future is bright, the future's red and white. I'm really looking forward to next season already.
Under Weststand Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 unisaint said: Norwich fan in peace here...consider myself a semi-saint in that I like Saints to do well when it doesn't directly affect City, i'm at Soton Uni and try and make a few games a year - will be at the Burnley game tomorrow. Just wanted to clear up the point about NCFC's chief exec. being on the league board that made the points deduction - yes, he is, but he also declared his interest in the matter and had no vote in the decision : "The Board of the Football League made the decision yesterday but Canaries chief executive Neil Doncaster did not vote. “As one of the three Championship clubs representatives on the Football League board I along with the others seven directors discussed the Southampton situation at length,” he said. “I declared an interest as is proper to do so and did not vote on the Southampton question.” For what it's worth, I don't agree with points deductions in general, but think that if the league has decided that is the punishment they are giving then Southampton deserve it as much as any other club in administration. I don't think it is something that can be fought in court either, it is essentially a private members league and the people who run it can pretty much do what they like. He may not have voted but surely being involved in the discussions would influence others in that voting process. Wouldn't It?? As for holding grudges well that does no one any good & at the end of the day its the people involved in the board room at SFC that got us this penalty not the people at the League HQ what ever we think the right or wrongs of deducting points.
Verbal Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 I'll probably join the 'let it go' club at some point. But just for now... I frequently met Mawhinney in Norwich in the 80s. Then he was just 'Dr' and one of a number of colourless characters in East Anglia who'd flown into their seats on Maggie's coattails. (By 1983, the whole region, which had been a Labour stronghold, had only one MP who wasn't a Tory - Clement Freud.) Mawhinney was part of the East Anglian 'mafia' that included John Major and John Gummer. What they lacked in intelligence and charm they made up for with a nasty political vindictiveness - and not always directed at people who could defend themselves. Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the ten-point reduction, I personally find it hard to believe that Norwich wouldn't have been foremost in Mawhinney's mind - and given the glaring opportunity for a conflict of interest, it would be better if he made his position clear. I bet he won't, though.
CB Fry Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 Under Weststand said: He may not have voted but surely being involved in the discussions would influence others in that voting process. Wouldn't It?? As for holding grudges well that does no one any good & at the end of the day its the people involved in the board room at SFC that got us this penalty not the people at the League HQ what ever we think the right or wrongs of deducting points. Well, we broke the rules, so its irrelevent whether it the board was made up with three Norwich fans, two Forest fans and John Pompey FC Westwood. We broke the rules.
alpine_saint Posted 24 April, 2009 Author Posted 24 April, 2009 CB Fry said: Well, we broke the rules, so its irrelevent whether it the board was made up with three Norwich fans, two Forest fans and John Pompey FC Westwood. We broke the rules. Hark at Mother Theresa there...........
unisaint Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 Verbal said: I'll probably join the 'let it go' club at some point. But just for now... I frequently met Mawhinney in Norwich in the 80s......... .........I personally find it hard to believe that Norwich wouldn't have been foremost in Mawhinney's mind - and given the glaring opportunity for a conflict of interest, it would be better if he made his position clear. I bet he won't, though. What was he doing in Norwich? Not disputing what you say is correct, just wasn't around in the 80's and my sources (Wikipedia ) tell me nothing about him having anything to do with Norwich...certainly nothing important enough to warrant a conflict of interests. But then I'm a physics student. He studied Physics. Maybe I should declare my conflict of interests and have no say in the matter (meant in jest)
CB Fry Posted 24 April, 2009 Posted 24 April, 2009 alpine_saint said: Hark at Mother Theresa there........... I must say, your "humourous thread" is a right barrel of laughs. Did anyone get the "joke" in your hilarious original "comedy" post? Wakka Wakka.
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