OldNick Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Who's Saintmarc?It was allegedly Wilde who used to post on Saints 4 ever under that name when he was trying to oust RL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Who's Saintmarc? It's the name that Michael Wilde used to post on here secretly for about 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 It was allegedly Wilde who used to post on Saints 4 ever under that name when he was trying to oust RL No allegedly about it. He PM'd me when I alluded to who he was in December 2007. (even wished me a happy christmas!) I don't think he was trying to oust Lowe though, it was when he was talking about plans etc after he had left the board. (Plans like developing Jackson's Farm etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Who's Saintmarc? Michael Wilde? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 'the lunatics have taken over the asylum' I am a fan and have been for the best part of 40 years but I have no desire to run the club and I don't like the idea of any other fans/supporters trying to either. Our job is to support through thick and thin,paying for the privelage and passing the illness onto our offspring. I agree...no lunatics please.... What people seem to forget is that many Saints Fans are in fact "professional people" in their own right in their careers. These sort of people should be given the opportunity in a Fans owned Club...at least in this democratic set-up, people could be fully vetted before taking situ....unlike the recent past!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oz Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Already, this plan is making a mistake. Why cant it untie under one heading, "Saveoursaints" rather than the "Trust" ? The Trust is a discredited organisation which will deter support, whereas Saveoursaints is clear, unambigous and has no history of inaction, impotence and delusion. I'd also like to know : 1. Where is the money to buy the club going to come from ? 2. Who is going to run said bought club ? I suspect another power/privellge trip from a certain individual I prefer not to name. r his initials n. i. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 No allegedly about it. He PM'd me when I alluded to who he was in December 2007. (even wished me a happy christmas!) I don't think he was trying to oust Lowe though, it was when he was talking about plans etc after he had left the board. (Plans like developing Jackson's Farm etc.) Hypo is absolutely correct. I too rumbled him quite early on.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 I don't like the idea. We need a financially sustainable owner with professional people running the day to day business. True and I agree with you. However it IS just possible that such a person does exist in the world, but because of the state of the global economy cannot do anything now. If we have a plan B that buys time, keeps us in the league then with that time we have some form of life. With that life we have some form of hope. But this IS very dangerous, I fear that the "cure" may end up suffocating the life out of the patient. And at the end of the day, I truly, deeply hope and pray that everyone involved is totally wasting their time and it isn't needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 You make a very good point, and may I just say that its not Derry's plan, its mostly mine!! Derry has made a very helpful contribution to our campaign and should be applauded but the plan was around before he came on board!! The voting system would not allow for "BIG" contributors to have the power. Apologies, its just taht I heard about it all via Derry's post and although he made no claim as it it being his, I just gave it that tag... what in summary are the key points of the proposed voting system? For that is the crux because thats what willbe teh difference between a true 'ownership by fans' and ownership by fan who can afford it... not much different to a PLC except you cant trade your share! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 I agree...no lunatics please.... What people seem to forget is that many Saints Fans are in fact "professional people" in their own right in their careers. These sort of people should be given the opportunity in a Fans owned Club...at least in this democratic set-up, people could be fully vetted before taking situ....unlike the recent past!!!Are you saying that people who are professional are going to have the same view. Jonah and UMp are both professional intelligent people but were both at different poles regarding how the club was going.I wish you luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 OK, so now you need to define "credible" - you seem to be implying that the existing 30+ bids will not contain a single "credible" bid, yet a dozen fans with no money behind them will knock something up without any lawyers or bankers which is "credible" and acceptable to the administrator and creditors? You've got to be joking? Somebody can hold out a fiver at the last minute if that's the case and that will be the only offer... The first, most important issue, is to get the club to fulfill its fixtures this season so it doesn't have to drop out of the league - surely that's what needs concentrating on and is something reasonable for the Trust to get off its arse and help address? Once that has happened, the club is in a state where (ignoring the 10 points penalty issue) the administrator and creditors can choose from the 30+ bids in order to wind up SLH. The rest of this is just muddying the waters as far as I can see - I'm just left wondering why? I'm sorry it's not a happy-clappy "well done" response, but sometimes doing something badly is worse than leaving things how they are. Look at Darlington's situation just now - no bids received (I imagine their structure for the FC is more complex and includes the debts), so the administrator extends the deadline. It's not like Fry has said there aren't any bids, so why not focus energies on keeping the club alive for the next 2 weeks rather than all this? Any idea of what funds are needed to do this, Jonah? Many of us are willing to donate hard-earned savings, but there is a top to what we can afford, and we are reluctant to put more money into a bottomless pit, without more information. Once we have spent this, that's it. Nothing more to give. We have just two fixtures to go. So how much is needed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Definitely not MW!!!! If you really need to know, look in the Echo (Good Friday issue)..Save our saints article...Im the bald bloke in the middle of the picture!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Definitely not MW!!!! If you really need to know, look in the Echo (Good Friday issue)..Save our saints article...Im the bald bloke in the middle of the picture!! Bald, wasn't Lenin bald? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Are you saying that people who are professional are going to have the same view. Jonah and UMp are both professional intelligent people but were both at different poles regarding how the club was going.I wish you luck but if they had all the facts and figures in front of them , rather than rumour and guesses, may be they would agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Apologies' date=' its just taht I heard about it all via Derry's post and although he made no claim as it it being his, I just gave it that tag... what in summary are the key points of the proposed voting system? For that is the crux because thats what willbe teh difference between a true 'ownership by fans' and ownership by fan who can afford it... not much different to a PLC except you cant trade your share! ;-)[/quote'] No worries...only fair that the primary developer of the plan gets the stick and questions! The struture of the voting would be proportionally represented based on contributions. Details would be released at an appropriate time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Before I started this thread I knew pretty much what I was going to see and more or less from whom. I haven't been disappointed far from it, The cross section of views gives me a pretty good basis from where to start from. There has been some very thought provoking comments. I really am pleased with the level and strength of the views. My concern and that of the saveoursaints group one of whom is a box holder at SMS is essentially to let the bidding process run it's course and IF there is no bidder left to save the club try and mount an attempt to save what we can with whatever level of support we can raise. As to expertise and we aren't in a position to use any of it yet, on the site we have many and varied professions and levels of expertise, I have been inundated with offers of professional assistance from the CEO of a charity, lawyers, insolvency lawyers, accountants, directors, business analysts, you name it I've got their numbers. The unification attempt is worthy of consideration, whether the factions can work together, whether the people concerned are thinking of what they can do for the club rather than what the club can do for them remains to be seen. The cynic in me says the MP's are looking vulnerable and there is an election in the next 15 months, LM, MC and LC are not part of things anymore. Are they ready to assist in any way they can or are they in it for themselves and the attendant publicity. I'm going reluctantly with an open mind. It would be pointless to dismiss it as a joint, pie in the sky ego trip with no chance of success, until we see where everybody is coming from. For me the only criteria is to be in SMS next season watching Saints no matter what division they are in and hopefully not endlessly moaning about the awful skills, tactical ineptitude and lack of width. If that means giving up some of the plenty of time I've got then so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 For me the only criteria is to be in SMS next season watching Saints no matter what division they are in and hopefully not endlessly moaning about the awful skills, tactical ineptitude and lack of width. If that means giving up some of the plenty of time I've got then so be it. Come on Derry, that bit is part of any fans Saturday afternoon routine! ;-) 'we need more width' - Seriously good luck guys because anyone prepared to help in this way deserves the respect from fellow fans. Just be prepared for some neighsayers and dont let them get you down. Make it democratic, and open to as many fans as possible even those who would struggle to make a contribution - eg ST holders and members 1 vote, if you give 10 grand maybe 2 or 3, but going down the route of votes for contibution is really a dangerous road IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 'the lunatics have taken over the asylum' I am a fan and have been for the best part of 40 years but I have no desire to run the club and I don't like the idea of any other fans/supporters trying to either. Our job is to support through thick and thin,paying for the privelage and passing the illness onto our offspring. Well said! This is already appearing to be an ego trip for some. The idea of trying to run a 'for profit' organisation with over ten thousand 'directors' is bizarre. Stop meddling with the bidding process! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Well said! This is already appearing to be an ego trip for some. The idea of trying to run a 'for profit' organisation with over ten thousand 'directors' is bizarre. Stop meddling with the bidding process! You need to read the proposal http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/saveoursaints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Come on Derry, that bit is part of any fans Saturday afternoon routine! ;-) 'we need more width' - Seriously good luck guys because anyone prepared to help in this way deserves the respect from fellow fans. Just be prepared for some neighsayers and dont let them get you down. Make it democratic, and open to as many fans as possible even those who would struggle to make a contribution - eg ST holders and members 1 vote, if you give 10 grand maybe 2 or 3, but going down the route of votes for contibution is really a dangerous road IMHO. Thanks FC...all good points noted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Who's Saintmarc? Wilde, just to put the record straight and I would remind you Mark that it was this site that already had pledges of about £400,000, against a last resort rescue when you contacted me after the administrator gave you my number. The pledges now stand at close to £1m. It was your idea that the fans raise £15m to buy the club, which is essentially what this meeting is about, but that was not what we had laid down at all, and I had that corrected in the Echo the next day to a last ditch rescue plan. Secondly Duncan, Ron and the others used the save our saints motif when they had the runnymede meeting with Wilde and Co a year ago. Mike Fenner used it when he tried to set up the de Vere meetings. It makes no sense to come on here and claim things, which are not relative to this site, which was acting independently and furthermore has thousands of members who are aware of precisely the way things happened rather than four people acting in isolation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 The cynic in me says the MP's are looking vulnerable and there is an election in the next 15 months, LM, MC and LC are not part of things anymore. Are they ready to assist in any way they can or are they in it for themselves and the attendant publicity. If you are thinking that way that has eased some of my fears........................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Wilde, just to put the record straight and I would remind you Mark that it was this site that already had pledges of about £400,000, against a last resort rescue when you contacted me after the administrator gave you my number. The pledges now stand at close to £1m. It was your idea that the fans raise £15m to buy the club, which is essentially what this meeting is about, but that was not what we had laid down at all, and I had that corrected in the Echo the next day to a last ditch rescue plan. Secondly Duncan, Ron and the others used the save our saints motif when they had the runnymede meeting with Wilde and Co a year ago. Mike Fenner used it when he tried to set up the de Vere meetings. It makes no sense to come on here and claim things, which are not relative to this site, which was acting independently and furthermore has thousands of members who are aware of precisely the way things happened rather than four people acting in isolation. Wow now I am really confused. I only support the people who are collecting pledges and money for if the club goes under or if nobody else comes forward. Can someone put a sticky on this site to outline exactly which organisation that is? There's too many groups wanting different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 The trust's idea is to unite all the groups under one heading, the trust. For that reason i would want nothing to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Just when you thought things couldnt get any worse we now have an uber-fan consortium........................................... An extreme way of getting a fan on the board dont you think ? I wonder if they'll have quiz night with the winner getting the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Definitely not MW!!!! If you really need to know, look in the Echo (Good Friday issue)..Save our saints article...Im the bald bloke in the middle of the picture!! Councillor Royston Smith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonah Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Any idea of what funds are needed to do this, Jonah? Many of us are willing to donate hard-earned savings, but there is a top to what we can afford, and we are reluctant to put more money into a bottomless pit, without more information. Once we have spent this, that's it. Nothing more to give. We have just two fixtures to go. So how much is needed? I'm afraid I don't know because we simply don't know what the situation is do we. I am left wondering what Mark Fry and the SFC Directors are playing at because I would have thought if it's the case that SFC needs £200k to survive to the end of the season it's a pretty simple thing to make a statement to that effect - "SFC needs £200k to see out the season and avoid resigning from the league" - then fans know what they need to raise, we know it's going to SFC and we know the end result is that the club survives as far as SLH being liquidiated. What we seem to have instead is an unqualified "we need more cash" coming from both Fry and Crouch/others which is being confused between keeping SFC going, funding the creditors and now being used to actually buy SFC. Like I said, the waters are being muddied and it's not helping fans understand the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 If you are thinking that way that has eased some of my fears........................... To be fair, its not necessarily impossible to work with folk who may (speculation) be doing things for perhaps not purely the same reasons as you or I might be, the key is to know this and recognise it and ensure you dont sucked into any traps - Micheal Wilde played a few of us like a cheap fiddle over that first SOS and as long as everyone is 'once bitten' its actually a good learning opportunity. LM may well be publicity hungry, but having such an icon involved can also BRING publicity to the cause - If he is also interested in actually being involved in the running, then he has every right to stand as anyone else if he qualifies through whatever criteria are established, and then the voters decide on merit. Personally I feel he is perhaps a little tainted by the Crouch involvment, but democracy is about choice and freedom and he has as much right as Chorley to stand if tehy fulfil the criteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Wow now I am really confused. I only support the people who are collecting pledges and money for if the club goes under or if nobody else comes forward. Can someone put a sticky on this site to outline exactly which organisation that is? There's too many groups wanting different things. I too am confused by the different approaches - eg what has happened to the moneies raised or pledged directly to the club already? I think teh Mark and Derry thing is about getting these groups togther and maybe gettig a common purpose that ideally we can all get behind. PS,on teh LM /MC thing - I do think it might be better for these guys to take a back seat for a while - because they can still create 'frictions' - let them be voted back in when you have gotton your bottles lined up - its still a bit soon to the whole issues with CRouch etc IMHO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 A piece from todays Echo 'Ex-councillor Perry McMillan, from SISA, addressed Labour councillors to call on their support. "We are now in the position where unless the football club is taken over by a supporters trust there won't be a football club," he said. "This is the time when the word coalition has got to be used. All political differences have to be set aside." So there you have it. Weston Saint, he is not talking about an alternative or back-up plan in case anything goes wrong. He sees this as the only option. I think a club run by a supporters trust is a recipe for disaster, but it's better than no club at all. I still think someone will buy us. As Jonah says 'the waters are being muddied'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonah Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 You need to read the proposal http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/saveoursaints OK, I've just read that as I hadn't seen it before. I'm completely lost by this: "so with the club having made it clear that they need a buyer before the end of the season to prevent the club going into administration as well" Where did that come from? Source/link? Mark Fry seems to be in little rush to find a buyer for SFC before the end of the season (*) so I just don't follow this and have seen no evidence for it - even if this really is the case, if you think you can buy the club within the next 7 business days from the standing point of a form on a website and 83 "pledges", well I'm lost for words. It doesn't even begin to address the fact that the reason the club is in trouble is that it can't pay the wages - how will they get paid? If it's just me being stupid and missing the whole point then I apologise, it just looks like a complete load of nonsense (however well-meant it might be). Sorry. (*) nobody knows what division we'll be in yet, so it's not surprising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 They are serious in their own minds Ron about trying to get the fans to buy the club. Not as you and I see it as giving it a go if all else fails.Then I no longer wish to be involved Dave. That was not our original plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 TO REPEAT, THIS IS NOT AN ALTERNATIVE. IT IS NOT BEING SET UP TO CHALLENGE ANY OTHER BID. IT IS THE FALL BACK SHOULD ALL ELSE FAIL. On that basis if you do not support the idea you do not support Southampton Football Club when all other avenues fail. I don't necessarily think the intention is what causes angst if you like, it's the people involved. The Trust had its chance to get the fan on the board and then got shafted by Hone and Oldknow. We were all taken in by Oldknow's spin to be honest. Having said that I get the feeling that Nick was trying to manoeuvre himself into a position of influence where fans and fans groups were concerned and I still feel that way. Call me a cynic if you like, but I get the impression that Nick is still trying to build an empire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 A piece from todays Echo 'Ex-councillor Perry McMillan, from SISA, addressed Labour councillors to call on their support. "We are now in the position where unless the football club is taken over by a supporters trust there won't be a football club," he said. "This is the time when the word coalition has got to be used. All political differences have to be set aside." So there you have it. Weston Saint, he is not talking about an alternative or back-up plan in case anything goes wrong. He sees this as the only option. I think a club run by a supporters trust is a recipe for disaster, but it's better than no club at all. I still think someone will buy us. As Jonah says 'the waters are being muddied'. This smells like political opportunism to me and is certainly by no means the only and best option for the club. Tread carefully all ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Then I no longer wish to be involved Dave. That was not our original plan. Ron can you tell us, do these people realise that by putting up yet another bid it will be sucking much needed money from the club as the administrator will be racking up fees looking at their proposals. Can they not stand back get organised what they can offer and only at the very very end then take whats left, as patently any fans group will not have the funds in place to see us through the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Sounds like it will be a right old gabfest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 I'm afraid I don't know because we simply don't know what the situation is do we. I am left wondering what Mark Fry and the SFC Directors are playing at because I would have thought if it's the case that SFC needs £200k to survive to the end of the season it's a pretty simple thing to make a statement to that effect - "SFC needs £200k to see out the season and avoid resigning from the league" - then fans know what they need to raise, we know it's going to SFC and we know the end result is that the club survives as far as SLH being liquidiated. What we seem to have instead is an unqualified "we need more cash" coming from both Fry and Crouch/others which is being confused between keeping SFC going, funding the creditors and now being used to actually buy SFC. Like I said, the waters are being muddied and it's not helping fans understand the situation. Excellent post Jonah...this sums up the situation nicely and supports the comments I made earlier about priorities. Further, Derry has made it clear that the intention is NOT to get involved in the bidding process. If these issues can be clarified and communicated effectively, I suspect there will be more support for the effort. If there is a sniff of ego boosting or power trip hunting from the usual suspects (e.g. NI) then forget it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Ron can you tell us, do these people realise that by putting up yet another bid it will be sucking much needed money from the club as the administrator will be racking up fees looking at their proposals. Can they not stand back get organised what they can offer and only at the very very end then take whats left, as patently any fans group will not have the funds in place to see us through the summer.I am sure Derry will make sure they understand that at the meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 I am sure Derry will make sure they understand that at the meeting.Thanks, I take on board you have pulled back from this I do hope Derry does not get hurt by his obvious willingness to help. I cant help thinking about those good people who spent good time helping with the statue only to be humiliated unfairly as they did not have the experience or expertise to get the project right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 and if one does not exist ? We die and start over again. I don't think a fans trust will be robust enough to support the overhead of the current business, even for League 1. However, I remain cautiously optimistic that a suitable buyer will come forward after the season has ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Ron can you tell us, do these people realise that by putting up yet another bid it will be sucking much needed money from the club as the administrator will be racking up fees looking at their proposals. Can they not stand back get organised what they can offer and only at the very very end then take whats left, as patently any fans group will not have the funds in place to see us through the summer. Where are they going to get the money to bid from then , oh right .... I forgot we're all going to stump up 30p or something is that it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Where are they going to get the money to bid from then , oh right .... I forgot we're all going to stump up 30p or something is that it?yes but it will be 30p every week not a 1 off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Quote: Originally Posted by Wade Garrett A piece from todays Echo 'Ex-councillor Perry McMillan, from SISA, addressed Labour councillors to call on their support. "We are now in the position where unless the football club is taken over by a supporters trust there won't be a football club," he said. "This is the time when the word coalition has got to be used. All political differences have to be set aside." So there you have it. Weston Saint, he is not talking about an alternative or back-up plan in case anything goes wrong. He sees this as the only option. I think a club run by a supporters trust is a recipe for disaster, but it's better than no club at all. I still think someone will buy us. As Jonah says 'the waters are being muddied'. This smells like political opportunism to me and is certainly by no means the only and best option for the club. Tread carefully all ! Agreed. Someone is trying to hijack the proceedings already it seems. What a shower...picking over the bones of the carcus before the heart has stopped beating. Incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 yes but it will be 30p every week not a 1 off Well they'll have to send someone round every week to collect mine then. I used to be a Tenovus football agent, amazing the crap people will stump up for if you send someone round for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 well they'll have to send someone round every week to collect mine then. I used to be a tenovus football agent, amazing the crap people will stump up for if you send someone round for it. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 The Trust had its chance to get the fan on the board and then got shafted by Hone and Oldknow. We were all taken in by Oldknow's spin to be honest. Oldknow was appointed by Mike Wilde and was acting on behalf of Mike Wilde. I warned the Saints Trust about how they were being used, but they were blinkered by a lust for power. Nothing has changed from that day to this. The Trust isn't about respresenting fans, it's about those on the top table wanting to build a dictatorial empire. You only have to look at how the Trust hides it's true membership figure and how Nick Illingsworth speaks through the Trust with his own opinions to see that i'm correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Oldknow was appointed by Mike Wilde and was acting on behalf of Mike Wilde. I warned the Saints Trust about how they were being used, but they were blinkered by a lust for power. Nothing has changed from that day to this. The Trust isn't about respresenting fans, it's about those on the top table wanting to build a dictatorial empire. You only have to look at how the Trust hides it's true membership figure and how Nick Illingsworth speaks through the Trust with his own opinions to see that i'm correct.stanley that is why fans on board etc will never work. i have great respect of those that try but they just dont od it for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 stanley that is why fans on board etc will never work. i have great respect of those that try but they just dont od it for me I find the thought of a fotb horrendous. Essentially you'd have a fan represnting himself and his mates because of confidentiality clauses. No minutes and no accountability. I said at the time the Trust was formed i would have no problem if the fotb only took part in minuted meetings and voted in areas where the membership has been balloted, but they would not commit. Let's assume Nick Illingsworth was the fotb - would you wanting him speaking and voting on your behalf with his own opinions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Come on Derry, that bit is part of any fans Saturday afternoon routine! ;-) 'we need more width' - Seriously good luck guys because anyone prepared to help in this way deserves the respect from fellow fans. Just be prepared for some neighsayers and dont let them get you down. Make it democratic, and open to as many fans as possible even those who would struggle to make a contribution - eg ST holders and members 1 vote, if you give 10 grand maybe 2 or 3, but going down the route of votes for contibution is really a dangerous road IMHO. I think you may have something there, there has got to be a aura of inclusion for the whole thing if in the emergency situation, god forbid, we have to appeal to the fanbase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertySFC Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 This is just becomming a complete farce, where ego's and self promotion are leading the agenda.... The fans buy out is complete fantasy land and it just about some uber fans having their 15 minutes of fame so that if it all goes tit's up they can proclaim "they done their bit" There are far to many un answered questions ..I have asked previously about the fans buy out proposals but have yet to be answered on the basics. What worries me is that some of those who are wanting to get their hands on the club start of with the premises that they will root out the dross players and get rid of them ....have these people have no idea of employment law ..its just hype upon hype .....and concerning that such thoughts are claimed and offers false hope to those who are of a vunerable nature......and for those reasons I'm out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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