Responsibility...

[Micky]

Yes but Hull is out of the way and geographically isolated,Darlington must be about 25 miles from Newcastle,Sunderland and Middlesborough . Building a 25K seater stadium for an urban population of about 97K with 3 premiership clubs in

easy access distance is just plain cranky.

 

Good point well made sir. Never thought about it like that and perhaps neither did their Board - although you would have thought they would have conducted that sort of 'Market Research' prior to proceding.

 

Perhaps they just assumed that with success the fans would come - unfortunately success never came and neither, therefore, did the fans.

 

That said - I still hope that they survive and do eventually become successful. I think that it is important that every club in the league is able to have (and more importantly, realise) their aspirations to succeed.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Thats a very good point - not got the answer but it will be lower than it should be for a Country who's national sport is football.

 

People like Michael Kightly and Kevin Doyle would be good enough, but CCC teams would ask for too much money...

[Micky]

It is a horrible thought the amount of clubs that are struggling, the Prem and the lure of it is going to destroy many more as well...

 

Indeed it will, the money just doesn't go round like it used to. Why spend 5 million on a CCC player when you can get a 15 year old from Portugal for a third of that. How many CCC to Premiership transfers have there been this season? genuine question, not loaded.

 

For me this is the biggest issue in football today - money. It is why we find our own club in its precarious position and the ill of all clubs operating outside of the Premier League.

 

Until such times as the huge disparagy between the Premier League and the rest of the League clubs is properly addressed, lower league teams will continue to be forced out, al la Luton Town, Aldershot etc.

 

Yes money makes the world go round, we are influenced by market forces and it's all a question of supply and demand. But at the end of the day - the rich are getting richer (and the League and Cup Competitions less intersting - we all know whose going to win them!) while the poor are being sent to the wall.

 

What started out as Sport with a fairly even playing field has now become Business where only the 'fat cats' will survive. Bring back SPORT I say.

[um pahars]

To be fair though UP, we have been told many times that the number of people not going were in the thousands, so that's why I've used that, plus, an opinion can change in 6 months!

 

LMFAO:D;)

 

So when you want to try and downplay those boycotting you pluck out a figure of 500 to beat people with.

 

And then when you want to inflate it you pluck out a figure of 5,000 to beat people with.

 

Consistency not your strong point then???:rolleyes: If you're going to argue the toss, then you could at least do so from a constant position as changing the numbers to suit your latest argument just makes you look rather stupid.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

LMFAO:D;)

 

So when you want to try and downplay those boycotting you pluck out a figure of 500 to beat people with.

 

And then when you want to inflate it you pluck out a figure of 5,000 to beat people with.

 

Consistency not your strong point then???:rolleyes: If you're going to argue the toss, then you could at least do so from a constant position as changing the numbers to suit your latest argument just makes you look rather stupid.

 

I will admit and change my opinions if people can convince me that I am wrong, and there are lots of people that argued it was more than the number I speculated. Either way if it was even £500 a match for the last 20 home games, that's still £260,000, and if it's 5000 then it's £2,600,000. Either way it is a substantial chance that could well have helped keep the bank from foreclosing on the debt.

[Toadhall Saint]

People like Michael Kightly and Kevin Doyle would be good enough, but CCC teams would ask for too much money...

 

18 players from CCC to Prem - more than I thought.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

18 players from CCC to Prem - more than I thought.

 

Really? I suppose Beatts was one wasn't he

[ottery st mary]

I will admit and change my opinions if people can convince me that I am wrong, and there are lots of people that argued it was more than the number I speculated. Either way if it was even £500 a match for the last 20 home games, that's still £260,000, and if it's 5000 then it's £2,600,000. Either way it is a substantial chance that could well have helped keep the bank from foreclosing on the debt.

 

If it helps you..there wereonly 20 of us and after meeting and agreeing to stay away there were actually only 3 that stayed the course...Me and my two daughters.....Must be some other reason we were not making money....

Hope you are now able to recalculate......Get the abaccus off jonah he hasn't returned it yet.

[um pahars]

change my opinions

 

It seems you change your opinions on a whim in a vain attempt to justify your latest position.

 

Do I want to say the boycotters are insignificant or do I want to claim they brought the Club to it's knees, is it 500 or 5,000. Your strategy is risible.

 

Either way if it was even £500 a match for the last 20 home games, that's still £260,000, and if it's 5000 then it's £2,600,000. Either way it is a substantial chance that could well have helped keep the bank from foreclosing on the debt.

 

So only a slight difference then( £2.25m+):rolleyes: and at 500 people then the sums involved pale into comparison with others that have contributed to our downfall in recent years.

 

You've done well to get three pages from a noddy concept based on noddy numbers LMFAO.:smt117:smt117

 

500 or 5,000 (you just need to make sure you don't get the two numbers mixed up when you're next arguing the toss)

[brmbrm]

...I'm just wondering if any of the fans that stayed away when Lowe was here are prepared to take any responsibility for the position we are in now. If we had the money of the supposed 4 or 5,000 a game, we wouldn't be in administration. I was just wondering if these people who have effectively cut off their nose to spite their face, accept any %age of responsibility to where the club is now. I hold them between 60 and 70% responsible myself, with Lowe shouldering the rest of the blame.

 

?????????????? Us boycotters got rid of Lowe. You quislings extended the agony. If you had boycotted too - gates down to 6,000 or so - the board would have kicked him out earlier, the crowds would have come back, SLH would not be in admin (or if it had, not a week after the points deduction deadline!), Dutch uber-managers would have been sent home, etc etc.

 

Blame on you.

[um pahars]

?????????????? Us boycotters got rid of Lowe. You quislings extended the agony. If you had boycotted too - gates down to 6,000 or so - the board would have kicked him out earlier, the crowds would have come back, SLH would not be in admin (or if it had, not a week after the points deduction deadline!), Dutch uber-managers would have been sent home, etc etc.

 

Blame on you.

 

Quite!!!!!

 

Everyone should have demanded season ticket refunds, no other season tickets bought, no other money into the Club, campaigned to get Lowe out as soon as he got back in and we still may have had a chance of keeping Pearson on.

 

Pearson would then have got us promoted, so actually those who didn't boycott have cost this Club millions and promotion to the Premiership!!!!!

 

(That's about as logical, sensible and consistent as Dibden's latest argument LOL)

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

It seems you change your opinions on a whim in a vain attempt to justify your latest position.

 

Do I want to say the boycotters are insignificant or do I want to claim they brought the Club to it's knees, is it 500 or 5,000. Your strategy is risible.

 

 

 

So only a slight difference then( £2.25m+):rolleyes: and at 500 people then the sums involved pale into comparison with others that have contributed to our downfall in recent years.

 

You've done well to get three pages from a noddy concept based on noddy numbers LMFAO.:smt117:smt117

 

500 or 5,000 (you just need to make sure you don't get the two numbers mixed up when you're next arguing the toss)

 

The point is I'm not arguing about the downfall of the club, that is down to Lowe, Wilde and mismanagement of funds. However, I'm talking about the difference of going into admin and not, which could be a very small monthly amount.

[um pahars]

The point is I'm not arguing about the downfall of the club, that is down to Lowe, Wilde and mismanagement of funds.

 

So do you really think that the downfall of the Club has had absolutely no impact on attendances and that fans should just turn up regardless of performances, playing quality, entertainment, league position, success etc. To think that these things don't impact on attendances shows you a very faint grasp on reality. You're in fantasy land LMFAO.

 

And as for the mismanagement of funds, then surely it should have been possible to manage the finances to cover the shortfall of 500 fans each game bringing in £10,000 a fortnight (about £4,000 per week on an annual basis).

 

However, I'm talking about the difference of going into admin and not, which could be a very small monthly amount.

 

But surely 5,000 people staying away is a huge amount;) Is it 500 or 5,000, we need to be told LMFAO.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

So do you really think that the downfall of the Club has had absolutely no impact on attendances and that fans should just turn up regardless of performances, playing quality, entertainment, league position, success etc. To think that these things don't impact on attendances shows you a very faint grasp on reality. You're in fantasy land LMFAO.

 

And as for the mismanagement of funds, then surely it should have been possible to manage the finances to cover the shortfall of 500 fans each game bringing in £10,000 a fortnight (about £4,000 per week on an annual basis).

 

 

 

But surely 5,000 people staying away is a huge amount;) Is it 500 or 5,000, we need to be told LMFAO.

 

It's not on an annual basis anyway, it's over about 38 weeks. And I'm not saying the downfall of the club wouldn't stop people going, but after the amount of people who came on saying they would go back if Lowe left, it seems we should still get a fair attendance. No one knows the true number of those people. But the last home match before Lowe left had an attendance of 18,961 (QPR), yet against Palace it was 23,220, make of that what you will.

[Gingeletiss]

The point is I'm not arguing about the downfall of the club, that is down to Lowe, Wilde and mismanagement of funds. However, I'm talking about the difference of going into admin and not, which could be a very small monthly amount.

 

You talk about me doing my own research..........yet you can't even post the right facts. So I'll help you out again.........SFC is not in Admin, how many times!!!.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

You talk about me doing my own research..........yet you can't even post the right facts. So I'll help you out again.........SFC is not in Admin, how many times!!!.

 

Since when have I alluded to SFC and not SLH. The point I'm making is that if people had turned up SLH wouldn't be in admin, so wind your neck in and go back to COD4.

[Neil]

Responsibility for administration (purely subjective and just for fun!):

 

"Duck Hunter" - 70% (no explanation needed)

"Family Guy" - 15% (for allowing the Duck Hunter in)

"The Quisling" - 10% (for handing Whisky George a cheque for £7m)

"Whisky George" - 5% (for ****ing up £7m + salaries etc on rubbish)

 

Ok, there may be a few others who could have a very small % : Cowen, Redknapp, Hone, Hoos, Don't Know, Crouch, etc. But that's just the periphery. A (dis)honourable mention for David Jones (the Finance Director, not the manager!) - I'm not sure about him, whether he is just a puppet for others or whether he should cop more flak?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Responsibility for administration (purely subjective and just for fun!):

 

"Duck Hunter" - 70% (no explanation needed)

"Family Guy" - 15% (for allowing the Duck Hunter in)

"The Quisling" - 10% (for handing Whisky George a cheque for £7m)

"Whisky George" - 5% (for ****ing up £7m + salaries etc on rubbish)

 

Ok, there may be a few others who could have a very small % : Cowen, Redknapp, Hone, Hoos, Don't Know, Crouch, etc. But that's just the periphery. A (dis)honourable mention for David Jones (the Finance Director, not the manager!) - I'm not sure about him, whether he is just a puppet for others or whether he should cop more flak?

 

I agree about David Jones, seems strange that throughout all this he has kept his job...

[Gingeletiss]

Since when have I alluded to SFC and not SLH. The point I'm making is that if people had turned up SLH wouldn't be in admin, so wind your neck in and go back to COD4.

 

Excuse me:mad::mad:.....the point you have made ( see thread title ) is that the demise of SLH is down largely, to the stayaway fans, which IMO, is one of the most bullsh*t posts on here. No fact's, just the opinion of the 'legend in his/her own lifetime' DPS. UM's found you out straight away, and you had to squirm big style. Why say this cr*p....get a rise out of it??

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Excuse me:mad::mad:.....the point you have made ( see thread title ) is that the demise of SLH is down largely, to the stayaway fans, which IMO, is one of the most bullsh*t posts on here. No fact's, just the opinion of the 'legend in his/her own lifetime' DPS. UM's found you out straight away, and you had to squirm big style. Why say this cr*p....get a rise out of it??

 

Yes, SLH.

 

If it was to get a rise out of people your insulting behaviour shows it works. The point is, I believe that a large reason between SLH being solvent and insolvent is due to stay away fans.

 

Your over-zealous behaviour doesn't really count for much. Many of the posts I have debated with, but in a good natured way. Yours I find irritating and pointless, for example the amount of times you've argued the pedantic difference between SFC and SLH.

Edited 21 April, 2009 by Dibden Purlieu Saint

[um pahars]

But the last home match before Lowe left had an attendance of 18,961 (QPR), yet against Palace it was 23,220, make of that what you will.

 

Aha, so all of those missing 4,000 were the boycotters!!!!!;-)

 

Nothing to do with the rallying calls to raise money, kids for a quid, the rubber neckers, coming to the end of the season and things hotting up etc, the nice weather, etc etc etc.

 

Just all down to the boycotters.:rolleyes:

 

500 or 5,000 (I suppose it just depends what your next argument is)

[Gingeletiss]

Like I've said DPS......you and the other Stewpert cheerleaders, have done nothing but, come on here casting accusations around, in full knowledge that others will react. We've had accusations of the most vile kind aimed at certain persons, and here you are with the same old sh*t, in differing form, but same sh*t none the less. Don't take the moral high ground with me, as it seems the way we show our support, is totaly different. As I've said previously, I have supported Saints for 46 years +, as a paying Fan for 40 years, I don't need some numbnut coming on here, and saying it's all the fault of the stayaway fan. The fault lies with those in power, and your boss was chief, whilst most of the cr*p has happend. How hard is that for you to understand??

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Like I've said DPS......you and the other Stewpert cheerleaders, have done nothing but, come on here casting accusations around, in full knowledge that others will react. We've had accusations of the most vile kind aimed at certain persons, and here you are with the same old sh*t, in differing form, but same sh*t none the less. Don't take the moral high ground with me, as it seems the way we show our support, is totaly different. As I've said previously, I have supported Saints for 46 years +, as a paying Fan for 40 years, I don't need some numbnut coming on here, and saying it's all the fault of the stayaway fan. The fault lies with those in power, and your boss was chief, whilst most of the cr*p has happend. How hard is that for you to understand??

 

My boss, come on, surely you are better than throwing the old Lowe luvvie crap around, when I'm clearly not. I have tried bloody hard to do good things for this club, including setting up a Facebook group so that we can let those that don't support the club as avidly as us know about the various causes going on. It has 14000 members and the amount of people sending good will messages abou what they are doing supporting the club with donations, buying merchandise because of the group is overwhelming, so personally I find it ****ing insulting to be regarded as a Lowe luvvie. However, just because I say something you don't agree with does not mean that I am.

[Gingeletiss]

so personally I find it ****ing insulting to be regarded as a Lowe luvvie. However, just because I say something you don't agree with does not mean that I am.

 

Ha!!!!!!!!!...........like wise, I find it ****ing insulting, that you are saying the possible demise of the club, is down to the 'stayaways'....you can't have your cake and eat it Pal!!!!!!

[um pahars]

we can let those that don't support the club as avidly as us

 

Do they know you then come on here and castigate them for not "supporting" the Club as avidly as "us"????

[Windmill Arm 2]

...I'm just wondering if any of the fans that stayed away when Lowe was here are prepared to take any responsibility for the position we are in now. If we had the money of the supposed 4 or 5,000 a game, we wouldn't be in administration. I was just wondering if these people who have effectively cut off their nose to spite their face, accept any %age of responsibility to where the club is now. I hold them between 60 and 70% responsible myself, with Lowe shouldering the rest of the blame.

 

 

Fook me another attention seeker !

[supaimpy_returns]

The point is I like to remind those on here who did stay away PURELY because of Lowe that I hold them largely responsible for us going into admin, and potentially going out of business full stop.

 

And that if I see them in the street I will kick them squarely in the nuts.

 

Well you better have big boots, what gives you the right to decide your in some way a superior fan just because you attended?

 

Absolute B*******ks.

 

RL had the same attitude, thought he was superior well it seems someone at Barclays decided they were.

 

The fan base was divided by RL and all you are doing is to perpetuate it, grow up, fans are fans, whether they go to matches, listen on the radio, read it as the first result on teletext, doesn't make them any less a fan.

 

RL is gone, SLH is gone SFC maybe gone but the pain is still there and this Saturday will give SFC its second relegation on home soil and the one group not to blame is the fans, try the management and the guy's who actually cross the white line for 90 minutes for 46 games a season.

 

I'm at the stage now that I actually wonder if SFC is worth saving, the only thing that makes me think it might be is the look on my sons and daugthers faces, and that worth more than the petty arguments over who's to blame !!!!!

[Victor]

Rupert Lowe ,Prutton, Hiigingbottom Claus HR Wigley Sturrock Crouchie and all the other weak minded players who didnt have the backbone to stop 2 goal leads slipping away etc etc etc..........and also fans like myself who made a big who ha about Hoddle returning.Now of course there could have been better options than him but in principle I believe I was in a minute way responsible as well.It was definately a defining poit although we could go back a little further to WGS 's decision leaking out that he was not staying. There is a plethora of reasons RL being a large part but not the sole reason IMO

 

Exactly - plus a few other things such as expecting Woodward and Redknapp to be best mates etc. etc. etc. - but absolutely NOTHING to do with stay-away fans. The stadium was pretty nearly full long after things started on their way to the current situation.

 

I reckon the fans have been amazingly patient and loyal considering the continuingly worsening saga and laughing stock that has been SFC over the last few years.

[Frank's cousin]

Aha, so all of those missing 4,000 were the boycotters!!!!!;-)

 

Nothing to do with the rallying calls to raise money, kids for a quid, the rubber neckers, coming to the end of the season and things hotting up etc, the nice weather, etc etc etc.

 

Just all down to the boycotters.:rolleyes:

 

500 or 5,000 (I suppose it just depends what your next argument is)

 

...and what of the 30K against Man Utd? I guess the board resigned before that one as well before reinstating themselves after teh defeat ;-)

 

TBH its not actually funny, I dont blame fans and it is the clubs responsibilty, baord, manager and players to put on ashow fans are prepared to pay and watch, but we cant deny the impact of fans not attending... it smply shows that we dont have the fanbase to sustain lower league football that will have sufficient quality of players, entertainment and success that matches our expectations.

Edited 22 April, 2009 by Frank's cousin

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Well you better have big boots, what gives you the right to decide your in some way a superior fan just because you attended?

 

Exactly that, the fact that I will support my team through thick and thin, which the stayaways show they don't. Either way, we'll have to agree to disagree. It's my opinion that the lost revenue through the gates from the people that haven't turned up due to Lowe COULD have stopped SLH going into administration. Either way, if and when the club goes out of business, they can all stand back with their chests pushed out harping on about how, along with Lowe and Wilde, they helped send OUR club to the wall.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Fook me another attention seeker !

 

Good addition to the debate there. Thanks.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Ha!!!!!!!!!...........like wise, I find it ****ing insulting, that you are saying the possible demise of the club, is down to the 'stayaways'....you can't have your cake and eat it Pal!!!!!!

 

How many stayaways do you think there are just out of interest?

[Daren W]

God, is this embarrassing thread still limping on?

 

It's funny to see so many posters who get their knickers in a twist about Lowe being blamed and are forever telling us that one man can't be held to blame for everything and then go on to blame one group, the fans, for administration...

 

Internet messageboards... comedy at its best...

[Frank's cousin]

...it smply shows that we dont have the fanbase to sustain lower league football that will have sufficient quality of players, entertainment and success that matches our expectations.

[OldNick]

Exactly - plus a few other things such as expecting Woodward and Redknapp to be best mates etc. etc. etc. - but absolutely NOTHING to do with stay-away fans. The stadium was pretty nearly full long after things started on their way to the current situation.

 

I reckon the fans have been amazingly patient and loyal considering the continuingly worsening saga and laughing stock that has been SFC over the last few years.

 

Relegation had nothing to do with stay away fans.

The product, infighting, RL, MW, poor football, disappointing games and the fact that we were not playing Man u stopped the fans coming. I think Dibden is saying that if the fans who stayed away on principle rather than the glory had turned up we would have been better off financially.Personally i really dont think that there are that many fans who cuto ff their noses to spite their face and so hundreds rather than thousands.if Dubai Phil's assessment of costs is correct and it seems reasonable then their attendance may have made very little difference.Getting rid of Rudi Rasiak Saga BWP and JE would have made much more.

[Gingeletiss]

How many stayaways do you think there are just out of interest?

 

Still banging the drum I see...Numbnuts.........you insufferable fool. As to figures, you're the one with the mouth, you quote a figure, oh right!!!, you already gave us your fantasy figure...lol...shouldn't you be at School or something???

[Daren W]

...it smply shows that we dont have the fanbase to sustain lower league football that will have sufficient quality of players' date=' entertainment and success that matches our expectations.[/quote']

 

Rubbish.

 

Treat the fans with respect, conduct yourself with dignity in public and the fans will come back. If you treat customers with contempt you then reap what you sow. We are getting exactly what we deserve and our stock with other fans has never been so low.

 

Saints used to a club that other fans sneakingly liked. Lowe killed that stone dead. People actively disliked us and they did so not for the team or the club but the man who ran it. I know countless people who often say "You know Daren, I used to actually like Saints but your club just seems so up its own arse these days."

 

I spoke to one journalist, who shall remain nameless, who told me. "Look, I've got nothing against your club, hell I used to quite like you... But your chairman is an ass..."

 

Ideal chairman? Nial Quinn by a country mile, decent, polite, fan friendly. Get someone like him involved and watch this club change overnight...

[ottery st mary]

Rubbish.

 

Treat the fans with respect, conduct yourself with dignity in public and the fans will come back. If you treat customers with contempt you then reap what you sow. We are getting exactly what we deserve and our stock with other fans has never been so low.

 

Saints used to a club that other fans sneakingly liked. Lowe killed that stone dead. People actively disliked us and they did so not for the team or the club but the man who ran it. I know countless people who often say "You know Daren, I used to actually like Saints but your club just seems so up its own arse these days."

 

I spoke to one journalist, who shall remain nameless, who told me. "Look, I've got nothing against your club, hell I used to quite like you... But your chairman is an ass..."

 

Ideal chairman? Nial Quinn by a country mile, decent, polite, fan friendly. Get someone like him involved and watch this club change overnight...

 

 

That man is MLT but would have to be backed by Scott, Crouch, Davies and the sort of peeps with dosh to really let MLT front the club with Salz....

 

I am not saying these people are the answer....but something on these lines

[Windmill Arm 2]

Good addition to the debate there. Thanks.

 

I thought it hit the nail on the head rather well. And it was followed up with a rather predictable response from you. Take your ridiculous blame idea and vanish, hardly helping the situation are you? Lowe is the overiding factor in SFC's demise.....a primate could see that.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Still banging the drum I see...Numbnuts.........you insufferable fool. As to figures, you're the one with the mouth, you quote a figure, oh right!!!, you already gave us your fantasy figure...lol...shouldn't you be at School or something???

 

You're asking me if I should be in school, yet your spelling and grammar and insulting manner come straight off the most backwards of playgrounds. Either way, all I wanted was a figure, considering in the past you have said that once Lowe has gone all the fans will come back, so I was just wondering if you had a number to speculate, as obviously mine are way out.As I said, at least UP offers a debate, you offer nothing but insults and spelling and grammer that would make a special needs child wince. Come back when you aren't living off other people's idea's and come up with something creative. You owe it yourself, surely?

[OldNick]

Rubbish.

 

Treat the fans with respect, conduct yourself with dignity in public and the fans will come back. If you treat customers with contempt you then reap what you sow. We are getting exactly what we deserve and our stock with other fans has never been so low.

 

Saints used to a club that other fans sneakingly liked. Lowe killed that stone dead. People actively disliked us and they did so not for the team or the club but the man who ran it. I know countless people who often say "You know Daren, I used to actually like Saints but your club just seems so up its own arse these days."

 

I spoke to one journalist, who shall remain nameless, who told me. "Look, I've got nothing against your club, hell I used to quite like you... But your chairman is an ass..."

 

Ideal chairman? Nial Quinn by a country mile, decent, polite, fan friendly. Get someone like him involved and watch this club change overnight...

Daren I understand what you say about RLas a chairman and its water under the bridge. My experience of LC as chairman was not great when I was the guest of Bournemouths directors last season.They were not at all impressed in the way he treated them with disrespect.

I cringed when our fans sung to the Yeovil fans 'you'll never play here again' when their plucky small club came to SMS. The constant harping on that we were a big club didnt help either and of course our constant getting out of relegation would have irked the fans of clubs who did go down those seasons.RL has made a massive impact but he did make a concerted effort to make the ground family friendly and any trouble makers were weeded out.

Niall Quinn is without the doubt a role model of a chairman and his jesture giving all his testinmonial money to charity showws what a great person he is.Sadly there are few who would get near him.

As with our state now there are a plethora of reasons why RL bing a big part in both

[Wade Garrett]

...I'm just wondering if any of the fans that stayed away when Lowe was here are prepared to take any responsibility for the position we are in now. If we had the money of the supposed 4 or 5,000 a game, we wouldn't be in administration. I was just wondering if these people who have effectively cut off their nose to spite their face, accept any %age of responsibility to where the club is now. I hold them between 60 and 70% responsible myself, with Lowe shouldering the rest of the blame.

 

I don't feel responsible, but thanks for asking.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Rubbish.

 

Treat the fans with respect, conduct yourself with dignity in public and the fans will come back. If you treat customers with contempt you then reap what you sow. We are getting exactly what we deserve and our stock with other fans has never been so low.

 

Saints used to a club that other fans sneakingly liked. Lowe killed that stone dead. People actively disliked us and they did so not for the team or the club but the man who ran it. I know countless people who often say "You know Daren, I used to actually like Saints but your club just seems so up its own arse these days."

 

I spoke to one journalist, who shall remain nameless, who told me. "Look, I've got nothing against your club, hell I used to quite like you... But your chairman is an ass..."

 

Ideal chairman? Nial Quinn by a country mile, decent, polite, fan friendly. Get someone like him involved and watch this club change overnight...

 

 

Completely agree with those sentiments, and a chairman along the same lines as Niall Quinn would be great, but all I can see is us getting another businessman in, which worries me greatly.

[Windmill Arm 2]

You're asking me if I should be in school, yet your spelling and grammar and insulting manner come straight off the most backwards of playgrounds. Either way, all I wanted was a figure, considering in the past you have said that once Lowe has gone all the fans will come back, so I was just wondering if you had a number to speculate, as obviously mine are way out.As I said, at least UP offers a debate, you offer nothing but insults and spelling and grammer that would make a special needs child wince. Come back when you aren't living off other people's idea's and come up with something creative. You owe it yourself, surely?

 

Here's an idea...As your ridiculous theory is being laughed off the board, why not resort to petty insults?...........oh you already have. Oh well if you cant beat em, join em.... YOU ARE AN ARROGANT CVNT!

:smt018

[Daren W]

You're asking me if I should be in school, yet your spelling and grammar and insulting manner come straight off the most backwards of playgrounds. Either way, all I wanted was a figure, considering in the past you have said that once Lowe has gone all the fans will come back, so I was just wondering if you had a number to speculate, as obviously mine are way out.As I said, at least UP offers a debate, you offer nothing but insults and spelling and grammer that would make a special needs child wince. Come back when you aren't living off other people's idea's and come up with something creative. You owe it yourself, surely?

 

Hate to point it out, but if you're insulting someone's intelligence it would help if you could actually spell grammar...

[Frank's cousin]

Rubbish.

 

Treat the fans with respect, conduct yourself with dignity in public and the fans will come back. If you treat customers with contempt you then reap what you sow. We are getting exactly what we deserve and our stock with other fans has never been so low.

 

Saints used to a club that other fans sneakingly liked. Lowe killed that stone dead. People actively disliked us and they did so not for the team or the club but the man who ran it. I know countless people who often say "You know Daren, I used to actually like Saints but your club just seems so up its own arse these days."

 

I spoke to one journalist, who shall remain nameless, who told me. "Look, I've got nothing against your club, hell I used to quite like you... But your chairman is an ass..."

 

Ideal chairman? Nial Quinn by a country mile, decent, polite, fan friendly. Get someone like him involved and watch this club change overnight...

 

 

You have gone off on a bit of a tangent, but to illustrate the point, we had 30K against Utd in the cup at full price under the old board ...

 

HOw many will we get week in week out in League 1 even with the ideal chairman? This is not a criticism of fans, but a comment on the numbers that will be prepared to shell out regularly for lower league football;, and If you believe that we will see 20k next seasona as an average if mid or lower table, i think thats wishful thinking.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I thought it hit the nail on the head rather well. And it was followed up with a rather predictable response from you. Take your ridiculous blame idea and vanish, hardly helping the situation are you? Lowe is the overiding factor in SFC's demise.....a primate could see that.

 

And this is where people who don't/can't read the thread properly are getting confused. I agree the demise of our club is down to Lowe. I don't deny this. However, the difference purely between SLH being solvent ad insolvent was actually quite a small amount of cash (perhaps Lowe, Wilde or Crouch could/should have helped out ) but I believe that even 1000 stay away fans contributing to every gate could have got us through the summer, so that we could release those big earners that are out of contract in the summer. Instead they didn't, and now we're in administration. That is my point.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Hate to point it out, but if you're insulting someone's intelligence it would help if you could actually spell grammar...

 

Well, touche, unfortunately one of the foibles or writing on a Blackberry is it is a very long and arduous task to go and proof read your work. But I agree, my bad!

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Here's an idea...As your ridiculous theory is being laughed off the board, why not resort to petty insults?...........oh you already have. Oh well if you cant beat em, join em.... YOU ARE AN ARROGANT CVNT!

:smt018

 

It's mad the abuse I am getting on here, just because I happen to think that those who haven't bothered to turn up due to Lowe being there has helped us towards administration. I think a lot of people are reading the thread incorrectly.

 

To be honest I have had quite a few insults on this thread, and to be honest I think I've done pretty well in ignoring most of them. Loving the language by the way, very colourful.

[OldNick]

It's mad the abuse I am getting on here, just because I happen to think that those who haven't bothered to turn up due to Lowe being there has helped us towards administration. I think a lot of people are reading the thread incorrectly.

 

To be honest I have had quite a few insults on this thread, and to be honest I think I've done pretty well in ignoring most of them. Loving the language by the way, very colourful.

I agree you have been very restrained DPS