alpine_saint Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 Strange, now it's our fault. I tought it was only 20 people that stopped going because of Lowe (at least that's what I kept getting told). I wish you people would make up your ****ing minds. The Luvvies change their tune more than a Nu Labour spin doctor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 Okay Groundhog Day and Ever Decreasing Circles I get. But what has Fingermouse go to do with it? Sorry.....'Twas a random choice born out of life long despair at the futility of some debates on here. Warped mind? Yes, quite probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capel Saint Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 Football is an entertainment business and therefore with the quality of the football reducing, especially last season, people aren't going to spend their hard earned money watching ****e football and the team continually under performing. IF the team had been playing good football and winning more games, more people would attend. Simple as that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 Football is an entertainment business and therefore with the quality of the football reducing, especially last season, people aren't going to spend their hard earned money watching ****e football and the team continually under performing. IF the team had been playing good football and winning more games, more people would attend. Simple as that! Indeed. Simpler than Simple the simple snail from Simpleshire. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 Let me ask you feeble-minded people who think we are in admin because of the stay-away fans one question - who do you blame for relegation? Rupert Lowe ,Prutton, Hiigingbottom Claus HR Wigley Sturrock Crouchie and all the other weak minded players who didnt have the backbone to stop 2 goal leads slipping away etc etc etc..........and also fans like myself who made a big who ha about Hoddle returning.Now of course there could have been better options than him but in principle I believe I was in a minute way responsible as well.It was definately a defining poit although we could go back a little further to WGS 's decision leaking out that he was not staying. There is a plethora of reasons RL being a large part but not the sole reason IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 Who's to blame for the demise of Little and Large? The fans who stopped going to see their once superb end of pier entertainment fests or the erstwhile prime time entertainers themselves for drifting into lazy mediocre early Saturday evening post Jim'll Fix It lame output mode? I hope you're all happy with yourselves now. Shame on you. They had so much more to give. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capel Saint Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 Indeed. Simpler than Simple the simple snail from Simpleshire. QUOTE] Try and say that when you've had a few pintsh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo86 Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 This is NOT the fans fault. Purely the boardroom led utlimately by Lowe. Well said i couldnt agree more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 ...I'm just wondering if any of the fans that stayed away when Lowe was here are prepared to take any responsibility for the position we are in now. If we had the money of the supposed 4 or 5,000 a game, we wouldn't be in administration. I was just wondering if these people who have effectively cut off their nose to spite their face, accept any %age of responsibility to where the club is now. I hold them between 60 and 70% responsible myself, with Lowe shouldering the rest of the blame. Sit on it dimwit.........what a stupid thing to say, another 'anyone but Lowe' thread. Cripes you and the other cheerleaders, really love stirring it don't you?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 Indeed. The lack of money into the club is the root cause of us going into administration, and I don't think anyone can deny this. And if that money is the money that would have been raised had people not been pig stubborn and went to matches, then I do blame them proportionally. What are 6 or something...ffs, listen numbnuts, we are not in administration . You must be a really big baby, if you can utter threats over the internet........grow up, this is not the first time you have started a controversial thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 What are 6 or something...ffs, listen numbnuts, we are not in administration . You must be a really big baby, if you can utter threats over the internet........grow up, this is not the first time you have started a controversial thread ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 Whats to ??? about. Follow what's going on and learn something. I say it again.....The PLC is in administration, not Southampton football club, what part of that is hard to understand Londonboy!!!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 Whats to ??? about. Follow what's going on and learn something. I say it again.....The PLC is in administration, not Southampton football club, what part of that is hard to understand Londonboy!!!. I understand that, but what difference does it make apart from the fact that we might not have 10 points deducted? We still need investment or the football club goes to the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 I understand that, but what difference does it make apart from the fact that we might not have 10 points deducted? We still need investment or the football club goes to the wall. There is a huge difference, even I see that, as do the football league. So will you, in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 Firstly the responsibilty of any business is to ensure its customers are satisfied and to budget effectively and according to its projected income. So the full responsibilty for teh current predicament lies with the clubs directors, not just Lowe and Wilde, but also due to the spending of Wilde and Crouch. The projected revenue for teh year would have taken into account the summer lay offs, the possible need to dup further high agers in Jan and a good estimate of projected gate receipts This last one the gate has gone down for a number of reasons, but principly because what was on show was not appealling enough to suficient fans. Now we can argue til we are blue in the face about why fans stayed away, and Lowe, the manager he selected and teh players performance all count toward producing a product that too few wanted to see. So they need to take the responibilty for creating a product that was not appealling enough to suppotr our cost base. The only thing the fans need to accept is that like it or not, the ONLY or main revenue source is the gate so this going down by 30% will IMPACT on the club. The controversial question is not who is responsible, because I believe thats pretty clear cut (if ultimately unfair) but what is the true size of our fanbase which should be represented by those who will go whatever - however badly we play, whatever the results - because ultimately thats how its judged. Luton town are not credited with a 40k fanbase because thats what they took to Wembley, but the 4000 whoo go week in week out - Its nnot judged when its easy to support, like the 30k+ against Man Udt, but when its hardest to support like next seasson in League 1. good post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 21 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 April, 2009 Let me ask you feeble-minded people who think we are in admin because of the stay-away fans one question - who do you blame for relegation? Lowe and the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 There is a huge difference, even I see that, as do the football league. So will you, in time. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 21 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 April, 2009 What are 6 or something...ffs, listen numbnuts, we are not in administration . You must be a really big baby, if you can utter threats over the internet........grow up, this is not the first time you have started a controversial thread Erm, sorry if I assumed that SLH were in administration...and threats, sorry, what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 21 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 April, 2009 (edited) Whats to ??? about. Follow what's going on and learn something. I say it again.....The PLC is in administration, not Southampton football club, what part of that is hard to understand Londonboy!!!. Stop being such a pedant, the point is due to the PLC being in admin the club has 2 weeks to continue. Edited 21 April, 2009 by Dibden Purlieu Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 (edited) Lowe, Wilde and no doubt Dibden Purley and his chorus girls MISSED many games this season for various reasons....Some like 19 and team ... have NEVER even been to St Marys or the Dell....ALL THAT WASTED REVENUE......CRYING DANCERS OF THE CHORUS. PURLEY, THOUGHT YOU NICK AND THE TROUPE WERE GOING TO MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO unite.....Just look at your troupe out in force today...AT LEAST jonah gave us some figure to juggle with. You make it clear you have NO intention of uniting...... MORE RUPES DAMAGE LIMITATION... Edited 21 April, 2009 by ottery st mary spellin taught by 19 very badly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 Erm, sorry if I assumed that SLH were in administration...and threats, sorry, what? Today, 12:47 PM Dibden Purlieu Saint Full Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Currently Bitterne Manor... Posts: 585 Quote: Originally Posted by Ken Tone Quite. What's the point of this? We are where we are. All fans want us to be somewhere better. The best way to achieve that is for us all to pull together, back the club and team as they are now and hope for the best. There is absolutely nothing to be gained from arguing over whose fault it is that we are in this position. K. The point is I like to remind those on here who did stay away PURELY because of Lowe that I hold them largely responsible for us going into admin, and potentially going out of business full stop. And that if I see them in the street I will kick them squarely in the nuts. :sad: Pleb................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 21 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 April, 2009 Today, 12:47 PM Dibden Purlieu Saint Full Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Currently Bitterne Manor... Posts: 585 Quote: Originally Posted by Ken Tone Quite. What's the point of this? We are where we are. All fans want us to be somewhere better. The best way to achieve that is for us all to pull together, back the club and team as they are now and hope for the best. There is absolutely nothing to be gained from arguing over whose fault it is that we are in this position. K. The point is I like to remind those on here who did stay away PURELY because of Lowe that I hold them largely responsible for us going into admin, and potentially going out of business full stop. And that if I see them in the street I will kick them squarely in the nuts. :sad: Pleb................. Well if you take that seriously you have a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 21 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 April, 2009 Lowe, Wilde and no doubt Dibden Purley and his chorus girls MISSED many games this season for various reasons....Some like 19 and team ... have NEVER even been to St Marys or the Dell....ALL THAT WASTED REVENUE......CRYING DANCERS OF THE CHORUS. PURLEY, THOUGHT YOU NICK AND THE TROUPE WERE GOING TO MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO unite.....Just look at your troupe out in force today...AT LEAST jonah gave us some figure to juggle with. You make it clear you have NO intention of uniting...... MORE RUPES DAMAGE LIMITATION... Where is Dibden Purley, have I missed something? I don't quite get what you're getting at with this post, can you be a little mores specific and less soporific? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane163 Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 Even if these customers used this rubbish shop every time before, and said they 'loved' this shop and no other shop is for them. They then decided to leave because an owner, who previously had sold excellent products but had made a mistake with a supplier and decreased the quality and service, took over again. That is a poor analogy, because football clubs don't have customers they have fans/supporters. I disagree. The analogy is good because like it or not football clubs these days almost always have to run like proper businesses. Your model of a football club is only true if you have an owner(s) who will pour money into the club with no realistic expectation of seeing any return on their spending. These clubs are in a minority and shrinking fast. When all of the turmoil of the last few weeks ends I am sure you will find hard nosed business men owning SFC and expecting a return on their investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 Where is Dibden Purley, have I missed something? I don't quite get what you're getting at with this post, can you be a little mores specific and less soporific? Less dancing and more action on behalf of the Saints survival plan.....UNITE;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 21 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 April, 2009 I disagree. The analogy is good because like it or not football clubs these days almost always have to run like proper businesses. Your model of a football club is only true if you have an owner(s) who will pour money into the club with no realistic expectation of seeing any return on their spending. These clubs are in a minority and shrinking fast. When all of the turmoil of the last few weeks ends I am sure you will find hard nosed business men owning SFC and expecting a return on their investment. I just hope we get someone to own us, but I'm starting to have my doubts, but as ever I am hoping for a sensible owner who will not try out his ****ing experiments on this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 21 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 April, 2009 Less dancing and more action on behalf of the Saints survival plan.....UNITE;) I honestly don't have a problem with uniting, and I have tried to do a lot to help (been on the marches, helping to set up different initatives to save the club etc), but it doesn't mean that if we go out of business I can't blame who I feel are partly responsible. If we get a new owner, and we don't go into liquidation, I will gladly admit that those who boycotted were correct to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 Lowe, Wilde and no doubt Dibden Purley and his chorus girls MISSED many games this season for various reasons....Some like 19 and team ... have NEVER even been to St Marys or the Dell....ALL THAT WASTED REVENUE......CRYING DANCERS OF THE CHORUS. PURLEY, THOUGHT YOU NICK AND THE TROUPE WERE GOING TO MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO unite.....Just look at your troupe out in force today...AT LEAST jonah gave us some figure to juggle with. You make it clear you have NO intention of uniting...... MORE RUPES DAMAGE LIMITATION... We need something to unite behind, a bunch of triuphantists who dont seem to understand the dire position we are in gives me little faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane163 Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 I just hope we get someone to own us, but I'm starting to have my doubts, but as ever I am hoping for a sensible owner who will not try out his ****ing experiments on this club. Keep the faith DP Saint. Be prepared for a game of brinkmanship until the end. As previously said on the forum the process will be a bit like an Ebay auction with an outcome not decided untill the very end. I have faith in that what is for sale can be a good purchase for a commited owner. 'It'l be alright on the night' !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 21 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 April, 2009 Keep the faith DP Saint. Be prepared for a game of brinkmanship until the end. As previously said on the forum the process will be a bit like an Ebay auction with an outcome not decided untill the very end. I have faith in that what is for sale can be a good purchase for a commited owner. 'It'l be alright on the night' !! You certainly have more faith than I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 Strange, now it's our fault. I tought it was only 20 people that stopped going because of Lowe (at least that's what I kept getting told). I wish you people would make up your ****ing minds. exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 We need something to unite behind, a bunch of triuphantists who dont seem to understand the dire position we are in gives me little faith. nick I am sure you were one of the first to say UNITE and stop beating each other up. If it twas not you..Sir. Someone like you...Let us at least try to stop this silliness (includes me) and move forward for Saints....Most of us are fans.....Excusing extremists and Pompey girls on a wind up. We can get together without all this fighting. But I don't honestly believe some of the baiters on this forum are Saints fans.....Rupert should be forgotten for now UNLESS like Askham, Richards,Crouch etc Really want to help the cause. We are all arguing about water under the bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 21 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 April, 2009 exactly To be fair we were told differently, time after time by the people who didn't go, so that's why I quoted that number, as that's the number we were led to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 I hold them between 60 and 70% responsible myself, with Lowe shouldering the rest of the blame. I thought you were past the blame game (at least that's what you were saying a few months back LOL): It is a situation that is past blame, and all we need to do is get behind the team. I used to think SF was bad but this forum is a different kettle of fish. So is the blame game back in town:D And then of course a month or so ago, you thought our attendances were "bloody good". Here's what you said about the 17,000 Derby attendance: That's bloody good to be fair. So are attendances bloody good or bloody bad. And then of course the grand finale as you seem to have gone up by a power of ten with reagrds stay aways as in November you were claiming: If someone can actually quantify the amount of people who aren't going every week solely because of Lowe (circa 500 imo), So is 500 or 5,000 ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 nick I am sure you were one of the first to say UNITE and stop beating each other up. If it twas not you..Sir. Someone like you...Let us at least try to stop this silliness (includes me) and move forward for Saints....Most of us are fans.....Excusing extremists and Pompey girls on a wind up. We can get together without all this fighting. But I don't honestly believe some of the baiters on this forum are Saints fans.....Rupert should be forgotten for now UNLESS like Askham, Richards,Crouch etc Really want to help the cause. We are all arguing about water under the bridge.OSM I totally agree. Iam doing my utost not to get too embroiled in any heavy debates. i want to move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 OSM I totally agree. Iam doing my utost not to get too embroiled in any heavy debates. i want to move on I am already uniting right behind you nick:smt117 ottery[-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 21 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 April, 2009 I thought you were past the blame game (at least that's what you were saying a few months back LOL): So is the blame game back in town:D And then of course a month or so ago, you thought our attendances were "bloody good". Here's what you said about the 17,000 Derby attendance: So are attendances bloody good or bloody bad. And then of course the grand finale as you seem to have gone up by a power of ten with reagrds stay aways as in November you were claiming: So is 500 or 5,000 ??? To be fair though UP, we have been told many times that the number of people not going were in the thousands, so that's why I've used that, plus, an opinion can change in 6 months! Also, that is multiple of 10 and not power of... The attendance was after a sustained period of far lower attendances, and so at the time that looked to be getting back towards the previous years attendances. The blame is back due to the fact that previously we weren't in administration then and looking to go out of existence. As said above, all blame will be absolved if we find a buyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 to be fair any buyer will have done their homework and know that 18k rather than 25k is going to be the norm unless the team is successful. the big attendances, imo, are needed to extent the potential offer period rather than attract a buyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 To be fair though UP, we have been told many times that the number of people not going were in the thousands, so that's why I've used that, plus, an opinion can change in 6 months! Also, that is multiple of 10 and not power of... The attendance was after a sustained period of far lower attendances, and so at the time that looked to be getting back towards the previous years attendances. The blame is back due to the fact that previously we weren't in administration then and looking to go out of existence. As said above, all blame will be absolved if we find a buyer You're just full of sh*te........and again, I must check you.......we are not in administration. The way you change your mind, I'd say that dresses suit you, and I right???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 21 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 April, 2009 You're just full of sh*te........and again, I must check you.......we are not in administration. The way you change your mind, I'd say that dresses suit you, and I right???? Sorry, don't understand that second sentence. The way I change my mind, in relation to what? If you want to have a go at me for this, actually do some research like UP, instead of following like a sheep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 to be fair any buyer will have done their homework and know that 18k rather than 25k is going to be the norm unless the team is successful. the big attendances, imo, are needed to extent the potential offer period rather than attract a buyer I see Darlington have had to extend the offer period, nul prosequi apparently. Looks bad for them, 25K ground as well, tinpot club with a big ground, doesn't make much sense really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 I see Darlington have had to extend the offer period, nul prosequi apparently. Looks bad for them, 25K ground as well, tinpot club with a big ground, doesn't make much sense really. I agree, there is a club with similar in the south...I believe this to be the case.;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 Who's to blame? personally I do not give a flying one at the mo'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 I see Darlington have had to extend the offer period, nul prosequi apparently. Looks bad for them, 25K ground as well, tinpot club with a big ground, doesn't make much sense really. I feel for Darlington - the Boards intention was good. They built the stadium and had the same aspirations as the likes of Hull City - unfortunately they didn't reach the same heights. Now they are suffering as a result of the recession - as are all companies. Personally I hope that they get out of the trouble they are in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 I feel for Darlington - the Boards intention was good. They built the stadium and had the same aspirations as the likes of Hull City - unfortunately they didn't reach the same heights. Now they are suffering as a result of the recession - as are all companies. Personally I hope that they get out of the trouble they are in. Ditto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintofme Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 I would say that the players should take more responsibility for some dire performances despite the talk before games. Also the managerial appointments made this season dod anyone apart from Lowe and Wilde think if would work ?. If the team had performed fans would have come back despite Lowe. I for my sins have continued to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 21 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 April, 2009 I feel for Darlington - the Boards intention was good. They built the stadium and had the same aspirations as the likes of Hull City - unfortunately they didn't reach the same heights. Now they are suffering as a result of the recession - as are all companies. Personally I hope that they get out of the trouble they are in. It is a horrible thought the amount of clubs that are struggling, the Prem and the lure of it is going to destroy many more as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 I feel for Darlington - the Boards intention was good. They built the stadium and had the same aspirations as the likes of Hull City - unfortunately they didn't reach the same heights. Now they are suffering as a result of the recession - as are all companies. Personally I hope that they get out of the trouble they are in. Yes but Hull is out of the way and geographically isolated,Darlington must be about 25 miles from Newcastle,Sunderland and Middlesborough . Building a 25K seater stadium for an urban population of about 97K with 3 premiership clubs in easy access distance is just plain cranky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 It is a horrible thought the amount of clubs that are struggling, the Prem and the lure of it is going to destroy many more as well... Indeed it will, the money just doesn't go round like it used to. Why spend 5 million on a CCC player when you can get a 15 year old from Portugal for a third of that. How many CCC to Premiership transfers have there been this season? genuine question, not loaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 21 April, 2009 Share Posted 21 April, 2009 Indeed it will, the money just doesn't go round like it used to. Why spend 5 million on a CCC player when you can get a 15 year old from Portugal for a third of that. How many CCC to Premiership transfers have there been this season? genuine question, not loaded. Thats a very good point - not got the answer but it will be lower than it should be for a Country who's national sport is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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