Nineteen Canteen Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Rabid unsupportive fans don't attend footballl matches. Sorry if I didn't make that clear but don't worry I have religiously been on of those 15,000 for many years.[/QUOTE] Would that just be the 12 or so. Just for the record my first game was 9th October 1959 we beat Swindon and Derek Reeves scored 4. Well done Toomer, I wasn't there as i hadn't been born but had I been born I would have been there. If we are going to go down the route of length of service before your opinion can be justified then you will alienate the future fans of this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 I tend to the view that it was Lowe's incompetence and that of the Finance Director Jones. Lowe also thought he had a "getoutof10points" card with the ridiculous holding company line. The degree of incompetence that Lowe has demonstrated has at least cost him a few million and his backers many millions more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain saint Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 You forgot his better quote about a prawn sandwich Phil. I have been told you cannot draw comparison with the world of retail as football is governed by different laws of economics. What is interesting is that many deemed the product to be crap and stayed away and are now donating their hard earned in addition to buying tickets to save said crap. Ergo perhaps being crap isn't such an issue or are we simply blessed with an extraordinary reactionary fan base? Maybe, just maybe because the unusual suspects have gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 A good 6 weeks before it actually happened Lowe was - informally - telling "people" that it was likely the club would "cease trading". He also told the same people that "when it happened he would would shout from the rooftops naming all those to blame". I wonder if the Gaffer on behalf of Mike Osman comes on and lectures us about potentially libellous posts and seeking legal advice if these quotes can't be backed up? Or does the law not protect those people you just don't like very much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Care to comment on how sales of players would have gone down with the rabid unsupportive fans that were doing more damage to the club's reveune than a few one off sales. Yes - Dyer was doing such a fantastic job at SFC wasn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 You really are stuck up Stewperts dark place, aren't you. To call us 'rabid unsupportive fans', is in itself a Loweism. Many of these fans you have just insulted, have been supporting the club for 20/30/40/ and in some cases 50 odd years. Yet here you are, the mouthpiece of the most hated man in Hampshire, and you've still got your head stuck well and truly up his rear end. The only person who has done any damage to the club's revenue, is your headgear..........he alone has put us where we are, what part of that don't you understand. Troll:mad:I dont think RL or any of opur board are the most hated men in Hants, there's plenty down the road who love what they have done. Askham and Wilde were the kingmakers and both are the people who have brought this on us.RL had a major part but if it was not for the Wilde bunch first and MW on the 2nd occasion things MAY have been different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 You really are stuck up Stewperts dark place, aren't you. To call us 'rabid unsupportive fans', is in itself a Loweism. Many of these fans you have just insulted, have been supporting the club for 20/30/40/ and in some cases 50 odd years. Yet here you are, the mouthpiece of the most hated man in Hampshire, and you've still got your head stuck well and truly up his rear end. The only person who has done any damage to the club's revenue, is your headgear..........he alone has put us where we are, what part of that don't you understand. Troll:mad: Bloody hell, you guys really love a scape goat don't you! Yes Lowe made mistakes but so did Wilde and Crouch. If they had been more prudent when in charge we might not be in this mess now (financially). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Nineteen Canteen seriously, please stop blaming all this on the fans, it is getting very tiresome. You must see that the missing 5000 as you say. were never going to spend their money while Lowe was still here! But if they had we wouldn't be on the brink. They supported the crap on offer last season so why not this? My views on that will never change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 A good 6 weeks before it actually happened Lowe was - informally - telling "people" that it was likely the club would "cease trading". He also told the same people that "when it happened he would would shout from the rooftops naming all those to blame". Duncan a couple of things, why did those people not tell you then so the fans could have been informed? The big question mark over this is we all know RL GA and all the others put their money first.If this was the case why did he not sell players to help save his investment/share value? It doesnt add up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Um If you think I am a troll Think????:D You've obviously forgotten your rude PM to a load of us;) Keep on trolling TOOT TOOT:smt119:rolleyes::smt119 Or as Phil suggested, let's burn the witch;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 When will the penny drop? Charlton were held up by many of you as the club we should model ourselves on a couple of seasons ago. Yesterday they were relegated. A number of similar sized clubs find themselves in similar dire straights. There was mention of this on Talksport yesterday, how clubs suffer when they get relegated. We are not alone. If we were all this bile aimed at Lowe might make some sense. A far as I know Lowe has nothing to do with the running of Charlton, Norwich etc but they seem to have problems too. Perhaps if someone else had been in charge we would have survived, we shall never know. But the fact that a number of oter recently relegated clubs are also struggling would indicate the the job is not as easy as many would seem to think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 about potentially libellous posts and seeking legal advice if these quotes can't be backed up? Talk us through your posts that got deleted/edited by the Administrators :D You seem to have form:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 You forgot his better quote about a prawn sandwich Phil. I have been told you cannot draw comparison with the world of retail as football is governed by different laws of economics. What is interesting is that many deemed the product to be crap and stayed away and are now donating their hard earned in addition to buying tickets to save said crap. Ergo perhaps being crap isn't such an issue or are we simply blessed with an extraordinary reactionary fan base? The problem is not about reactionary fan base. Let's face it have you ever seen the Riverside Stadium on a televised game? I don't think I've ever seen it full in what is supposed to be the hot-bed of English football. The problem is as many autocratic regimes in history have discovered, you can push, you can abuse, you can beat and you can starve people. Then, one day, they snap. The PROBLEM is that the autocrats ALWAYS react with SHOCK! If Rupert clearly understood the risk of alienating the fan base by his return then why oh why did he not appoint a politically neutral "proxy" to do his bidding..... It is HIS mistake and failure to understand the "fickle nature of fans". He was supposed to be the expert saviour - he didn't even APPEAR to give it a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Crouch seems to be getting off lightly in the blame game. When Lowe left in 2006 we didn't owe Barclays a penny. When he returned, we owed them £4m due to Crouch giving Burley money to spend. I think that Crouch genuinely cares about the club but, like many football club chairman who are successful businessmen, his financial sense seems to have deserted him when dealing with football matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 When will the penny drop? Charlton were held up by many of you as the club we should model ourselves on a couple of seasons ago. Yesterday they were relegated. A number of similar sized clubs find themselves in similar dire straights. There was mention of this on Talksport yesterday, how clubs suffer when they get relegated. We are not alone. If we were all this bile aimed at Lowe might make some sense. A far as I know Lowe has nothing to do with the running of Charlton, Norwich etc but they seem to have problems too. Perhaps if someone else had been in charge we would have survived, we shall never know. But the fact that a number of oter recently relegated clubs are also struggling would indicate the the job is not as easy as many would seem to think. Indeed it is difficult and I remember saying as such the minute we got relegated, not out of some greater knowledge or insight, just by simply looking at most established clubs who went down (sadly I was shouted down by some of the so called financial experts who called it mud raking LOL). But whilst football is a very tough theatre to operate in, you do yourself no favours by handicapping yourself with ridiculous managerial appointments (e.g. Wigley, Poortvliet et al). Trying to survive with one hand tied behind your back and blindfolded isn't really given it your best shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 When will the penny drop? Charlton were held up by many of you as the club we should model ourselves on a couple of seasons ago. Yesterday they were relegated. A number of similar sized clubs find themselves in similar dire straights. There was mention of this on Talksport yesterday, how clubs suffer when they get relegated. We are not alone. If we were all this bile aimed at Lowe might make some sense. A far as I know Lowe has nothing to do with the running of Charlton, Norwich etc but they seem to have problems too. Perhaps if someone else had been in charge we would have survived, we shall never know. But the fact that a number of oter recently relegated clubs are also struggling would indicate the the job is not as easy as many would seem to think. What you say is fair.We need some focus to put our blame to and RL is the most obvious target. I understand why and in the night as I lay awake fretting over the demise of the club I could point the finger at him on a lot of occasions where he got it terribly wrong, but not just him. The og by Higginbotom when we were 2-0 up in HR's first game for us when we threw that 3 points away kept flashing through my mind.The spinning of the roulette wheel when Gb was allowed to spend by the Wilde bunch and a host of other things that we have debated before. I suspect it wont be the last time I awake at 4 in the morning worrying about our club but what worried me much ysterday was that I did nt feel any pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 When will the penny drop? Charlton were held up by many of you as the club we should model ourselves on a couple of seasons ago. Yesterday they were relegated. A number of similar sized clubs find themselves in similar dire straights. There was mention of this on Talksport yesterday, how clubs suffer when they get relegated. We are not alone. If we were all this bile aimed at Lowe might make some sense. A far as I know Lowe has nothing to do with the running of Charlton, Norwich etc but they seem to have problems too. Perhaps if someone else had been in charge we would have survived, we shall never know. But the fact that a number of oter recently relegated clubs are also struggling would indicate the the job is not as easy as many would seem to think. Here we go ........SOG is back in town, giving it the 'Lowe is not to blame' big one. I have news for you SOG, he is to blame, he was to blame when we were relegated from the Premiership, and he is to blame for our current situation..... He wanted to be the sole voice of SFC, so he is to blame....how you and the other Lowite cheer leaders cannot see this, is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalshotSpit Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Bloody idiots!!!! Barclays are the reason we are in administration - they refused to continue with the overdraft. Or was that down to Lowe as well? A company does not go into administration out of spite..........Osman is either telling lies or extending the truth. A company cannot continue trading whilst insolvent (basically not enough money to pay bills, employees, etc): this is against the law and especially bad for a listed company. So that piece is absolute ******. Some of you need to grow up, stop seeing the boogey man and worry more about whether we have a club to support next season. One of the stipulations from Barclays concerning the overdraft, in fact one of the main stipulations was that match attendance levels should be maintained and increased. Anyone with an ounce of business sense would have looked at Nigel Pearson, his transformation of the team and ultimate rescue of our championship status and recognise that there stood our most valuable asset as one of the best young managers in the game. As many have already said, look at Leicester City, already promoted. But of course, not Lowe. In an act of total arrogance, he brings in two total incompetents with no experience of English football, and then wonders why crowds are down to just over 14,000 by December. Only the most cynical among us would claim that we would have been in the same position with those crowd levels had Pearson remained in charge. Pearson is a manager who commands respect and will go far in the game, while we were served up the cheapest option in the the form of Portvliet and Wotte. This is one of the main reasons for the demise of this club, Lowe trying to do things on the cheap. Gray, Wigley, Sturrock and the now the Dutch pair. Harry Redknapp was the exception, but was allowed to spend 90,000 on Ricardo Fuller. Clive Woodward's salary didn't apperar to be a problem however, and what did he contribute? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. So anyone who imagines that spite was involved at the bitter end may not be barking up the wrong tree. Anyone with such breathaking arrogance as Lowe (witness the round of TV interviews after the event blaming everyone but himself) will turn on his most hated adversaries, in this case the supporters who have poured millions into the club since he appeared in 1996 ( and have been mostly treated with a patronising 'I know best' attitude and more recently open contempt) before he sinks without trace. It's a great club, Southampton FC, and it and the supporters deserve much more than they have had thrown at them over the last two or three seasons. Mike Osman has witnessed the decline just like the rest of us - for the likes of you to call him a liar without knowing the facts is libellous. I hope he reads your spiteful comments. Strangely enough, you state that Barclays are the ONLY reason we are in adminstration. You sound just like the great man himself. No connection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Maybe, just maybe because the unusual suspects have gone? Why on earth should Lowe spite the Saints fans who have shown such support for him? Fans who stayed loyal to him when he was faced with tough decisions such as removing a keen young manager, Steve Wigley, who showed potential but was unable to deliver, fans who appreciated the aappointment of respected managers such as Hoddle, Strachen and Redknapp and who supported the involvement of a national figure such as SCW, and fans who understood the risk Lowe was taking when he returned last summer to try to rescue the club from the financial mess created over the previous two years by the Wilde/Crouch boards. Why should Lowe show any spite.... Or is it some fans who have shown spite towards Lowe by rubbishing everything he has ever done, blaming him for every failure and giving him no credit for any success? We are not where we are now because of Lowe's 9 months in charge, but because of the catastrophic spending in the previous two seasons that left us at the bottom on the table. Realistically, the blame lies with Wilde and Crouch for ousting the Lowe board in the summer of 2006 on the crest of the 'anyone but Lowe' campaign, instead of staying on board with him and looking for the external investment that was needed, as a united group. As for Lowe, his biggest personal mistake - coming back last year - when he should have stayed away, leaving Crouch, well-meaning as he was, to pick up the pieces of the mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Realistically, the blame lies with Wilde and Crouch for ousting the Lowe board in the summer of 2006 on the crest of the 'anyone but Lowe' campaign, instead of staying on board with him and looking for the external investment that was needed, as a united group. As for Lowe, his biggest personal mistake - coming back last year - when he should have stayed away, leaving Crouch, well-meaning as he was, to pick up the pieces of the mess. Realistically it lies almost entirely with Lowe's incompetence and has a little to do with Crouch and some to do with Wilde. Sorry Prof, disagree with that bit. But, agree with you that Lowe didn't do it to spite the fans, he genuinely tried to do his best for the Club... it's just when you're that incompetent your best is really quite poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Why on earth should Lowe spite the Saints fans who have shown such support for him? Fans who stayed loyal to him when he was faced with tough decisions such as removing a keen young manager, Steve Wigley, who showed potential but was unable to deliver, fans who appreciated the aappointment of respected managers such as Hoddle, Strachen and Redknapp and who supported the involvement of a national figure such as SCW, and fans who understood the risk Lowe was taking when he returned last summer to try to rescue the club from the financial mess created over the previous two years by the Wilde/Crouch boards. Why should Lowe show any spite.... Or is it some fans who have shown spite towards Lowe by rubbishing everything he has ever done, blaming him for every failure and giving him no credit for any success? We are not where we are now because of Lowe's 9 months in charge, but because of the catastrophic spending in the previous two seasons that left us at the bottom on the table. Realistically, the blame lies with Wilde and Crouch for ousting the Lowe board in the summer of 2006 on the crest of the 'anyone but Lowe' campaign, instead of staying on board with him and looking for the external investment that was needed, as a united group. As for Lowe, his biggest personal mistake - coming back last year - when he should have stayed away, leaving Crouch, well-meaning as he was, to pick up the pieces of the mess. I hope you don`t mind me asking but are you 19c under another name or are you just another of Lowe`s brainwashed...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 It lowers the value of the club......so its easier for Lowe to buy 100% of the club, thats why he resigned to pave the way to buy the whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Nineteen Canteen seriously, please stop blaming all this on the fans, it is getting very tiresome. You must see that the missing 5000 as you say. were never going to spend their money while Lowe was still here! Funny that, I don't rember said fans rushing back when he went the first time??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Realistically it lies almost entirely with Lowe's incompetence and has a little to do with Crouch and some to do with Wilde. Sorry Prof, disagree with that bit. But, agree with you that Lowe didn't do it to spite the fans, he genuinely tried to do his best for the Club... it's just when you're that incompetent your best is really quite poor. I might be losing the plot here, but wasn't the club be run over its overdraft facility before Lowe came back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Why on earth should Lowe spite the Saints fans who have shown such support for him? Fans who stayed loyal to him when he was faced with tough decisions such as removing a keen young manager, Steve Wigley, who showed potential but was unable to deliver, fans who appreciated the aappointment of respected managers such as Hoddle, Strachen and Redknapp and who supported the involvement of a national figure such as SCW, and fans who understood the risk Lowe was taking when he returned last summer to try to rescue the club from the financial mess created over the previous two years by the Wilde/Crouch boards. Why should Lowe show any spite.... Or is it some fans who have shown spite towards Lowe by rubbishing everything he has ever done, blaming him for every failure and giving him no credit for any success? We are not where we are now because of Lowe's 9 months in charge, but because of the catastrophic spending in the previous two seasons that left us at the bottom on the table. Realistically, the blame lies with Wilde and Crouch for ousting the Lowe board in the summer of 2006 on the crest of the 'anyone but Lowe' campaign, instead of staying on board with him and looking for the external investment that was needed, as a united group. As for Lowe, his biggest personal mistake - coming back last year - when he should have stayed away, leaving Crouch, well-meaning as he was, to pick up the pieces of the mess. The blame is not entirely Lowe's, Wilde & to a lesser extent Crouch also share the blame but Lowe takes the majority as he has overseen our relegation from the prem & the CCC (because yes we are going down). We are not where we are now because of Lowe's 9 months in charge So are you really saying that there were no alternatives to Lowes cunning plan - I'm sorry but getting rid of Pearson & blaming cost when he was talking to JP & Wotte before he took over is a joke. I appreciate Lowe had some tough decisions to be made but as he has proven previously, he often gets decisions wrong (e.g. Sturrock, Gray, Wigley) That said, I believe that Lowe was well meaning - just incompetent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Funny that, I don't rember said fans rushing back when he went the first time??? Dont you? There was an increase... and certainly was in terms of optimism. This time we've seen masses return now he's gone for good too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 I might be losing the plot here, but wasn't the club be run over its overdraft facility before Lowe came back? Piecing together statements, my opinion is that the overdraft reduced from abut £6.5m to £4m which is quite impressive. Despite that it would appear that Barclays had little confidence is Lowe's ability to steer the club in the right direction... which is a pretty damning indictment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 I might be losing the plot here, but wasn't the club be run over its overdraft facility before Lowe came back? And the bank didn't pull the plug. The fact they did over £110,000 shows what they thought of Lowe and his running of the Club. They lost faith in HIM and pulled the rug from under HIM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 (edited) I might be losing the plot here, but wasn't the club be run over its overdraft facility before Lowe came back? But it doesnt take away the worst decision made in Southampton's history over the last 49 years.... 'Dutch Total Football With Kids and Coaches who Didnt know the league or Opposition' (whilst paying experienced men to stay in the training ground and sacking a decent manager). Overdraft or not. We could have been in a better postion now (or the same but cemented in the CCC) but for that incompetence. Ask Nigel Pearson what he thinks. Edited 19 April, 2009 by SaintRobbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Piecing together statements, my opinion is that the overdraft reduced from abut £6.5m to £4m which is quite impressive. Despite that it would appear that Barclays had little confidence is Lowe's ability to steer the club in the right direction... which is a pretty damning indictment. Maybe so, but take a look around you and at all the businesses going under. We are supposed to be a nation of "shopkeepers" - many of them would seem to be incompetant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 And the bank didn't pull the plug. The fact they did over £110,000 shows what they thought of Lowe and his running of the Club. They lost faith in HIM and pulled the rug from under HIM. Spot on Paul. That is a fact... and I love the irony that Mr Lowe was regarded as some sort of prudent financial chap but was ultimately hanged, drawn and quartered by the very people who some thought admired his financial ability. Fantastic. Justice came eventually... Now here's to the new owners! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 But it doesnt take away the worst decision made in Southampton's history over the last 49 years.... 'Dutch Total Football With Kids and Coaches who Didnt know the league or Opposition' (whilst paying experienced men to stay in the training ground). Overdraft or not. We could have been in a better postion now (or the same but cemented in the CCC) but for that incompetence. Ask Nigel Pearson what he thinks. That would be the same Nigel Pearson who nealry took us down with 20 mins to spare and better players??? The financial situation was set out at the start of the season and we were basically stuffed. A decsion was made (joined up thinking) to get rid of the high earners and to go with youth with a coaching set up that was used to brining youth through. It didn't work but at least we had a plan. If the high earners had stayed we would have gone under sooner. Devil and the deep blue sea.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Lowe is a ****.fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Spot on Paul. That is a fact... and I love the irony that Mr Lowe was regarded as some sort of prudent financial chap but was ultimately hanged, drawn and quartered by the very people who some thought admired his financial ability. Fantastic. Justice came eventually... Now here's to the new owners! Yep, because the last ones made such a good job of it didn't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Maybe so, but take a look around you and at all the businesses going under. We are supposed to be a nation of "shopkeepers" - many of them would seem to be incompetant. Doesn't give me any solace to know that there are others out there suffering the same fate (but then again there are just as many doing better than us as well though). And neither does other's incompetence justify, excuse or explain the incompetence we have had to pur up with. A total non argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Dont you? There was an increase... and certainly was in terms of optimism. This time we've seen masses return now he's gone for good too. Optimism? Really? And I thought he was gone for good last time...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Maybe so, but take a look around you and at all the businesses going under. We are supposed to be a nation of "shopkeepers" - many of them would seem to be incompetant. Come on SOG, you dont really believe that Lowe's sacking by Barclay's was due to the credit crunch? It was due to thorough incompetence and the FACT Lowe FAILED to deliver financially. Simple. BArclay's have even told us that! Come on SOG, Lowe was and always will be regarded as THE biggest disaster in Southampton FC's history, whether it is entirely his fault or not. That is how he will sit in our hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 (edited) A good 6 weeks before it actually happened Lowe was - informally - telling "people" that it was likely the club would "cease trading". He also told the same people that "when it happened he would would shout from the rooftops naming all those to blame". IF that is true then he is a total t w a t. IF that is true then hanging on until after the deadline was (in my view) seriously negligent. Edit: Just a quick thought but the red "IF"s aren't intended to call you into question duncan. I'm just amazed that he could have been talking like that whilst director of a plc and not taking is into admin before the deadline. Edited 19 April, 2009 by Clapham Saint Clarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 we were basically stuffed.. So all the fanfares, the stories, the upbeat promises of Total Football, Style and Steel, Revolutionary Coaching Set Up etc etc etc were all just a load of rubbish then. And when they were proclaiming all this, what they really meant was "I don't know why we're prolonging the agony, it's all done and dusted anyway".:smt119:rolleyes: Do you really think Lowe and Wilde came back to preside over a funeral?? Do you not think that by making changes they believed they could turn things around?? We were basically stuffed when Pearson was given the boot and the hopeless Poortvliet was brought in. He was brought in to save us, but that decision cost us dearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Optimism? Really? And I thought he was gone for good last time...... He has this time! No one's going to take on a Chairman of such confirmed FAILURE status now he's labeled by the second biggest Bank in the UK as a dud! Optimism is hanging out of me now SOG! Just need to see who the new owners are now and whether they are prepared to sack Wotte, bring in a decent manager, clear out the crap kids and embrace the people who love this club like the old greats. It'll happen ...and will certainly keep my optimism going! Lowe's gone from football for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 IF that is true then he is a total t w a t. IF that is true then hanging on until after the deadline was (in my view) seriously negligent. Well he HAS been shouting from the rooftops to tell us that it wasn't his fault and without directly naming others has certainly narrowed the period down to prevent litigation but tell the world it was Wilde and Crouch's fault. And given the evidence of other serious negligence from the man over the years as well as Mr Fry's comments recently saying he couldnt understand who the Club was not put into Administration [by Lowe, and by implication to attract a buyer] much much earlier to ease on the damage being done by neglegent management I think those IF's are HIGHLY LIKELY'S! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Come on SOG, you dont really believe that Lowe's sacking by Barclay's was due to the credit crunch? It was due to thorough incompetence and the FACT Lowe FAILED to deliver financially. Simple. BArclay's have even told us that! . Exactly, and that is the reason for the tour of media outlets. Make no mistake, in the world of business, what Barclay's did could damage his reputation for ever.The Lowe world tour was about trying to save his name,in the fiancial world . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Yep, because the last ones made such a good job of it didn't they? Let me ask a couple of questions seldom asked but significant. 1. Did Lowe set them up for success when they took over? The answer is ... NO. 2. When the chance to sell the Club thus removing the debt and giving us a chance to fight back with a decent manager (i.e. Coventry City) did Lowe accept the offer? The answer is... NO. So dont give me that crap from the mouth of Lowe himself that it isnt Lowe's fault. There were key decisions that would have mitigated against the debt caused by the almost successful gamble to get us back into the Premiership from Crouch. They revolved around SELLING the club and those who failed to take them in order to try and save a doomed plc deserve to be strung up from the Itchen Bridge. Fact is (AND IT IS A FACT!) - as usual - Lowe has made a bad situation WORSE. Deny that SOG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Exactly, and that is the reason for the tour of media outlets. Make no mistake, in the world of business, what Barclay's did could damage his reputation for ever.The Lowe world tour was about trying to save his name,in the fiancial world . Absolutely. Every statement Lowe has made since December has been directly about laying blame elsewhere and maintaining his reputation... but now that's completely destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Well he HAS been shouting from the rooftops to tell us that it wasn't his fault and without directly naming others has certainly narrowed the period down to prevent litigation but tell the world it was Wilde and Crouch's fault. And given the evidence of other serious negligence from the man over the years as well as Mr Fry's comments recently saying he couldnt understand who the Club was not put into Administration [by Lowe, and by implication to attract a buyer] much much earlier to ease on the damage being done by neglegent management I think those IF's are HIGHLY LIKELY'S! I agree. See my edit. If it's not too much of a conradiction I'm amazed but not overly surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 More likely The Master plan of Guy Askham....From day one he has gone with Rupert and appeared to never question the idiotic control of the club under Rupert. Right to say the whole blame is not Ruperts alone but aided and abetted by Askham and Wilde. It is a natural assumption by so many to believe that Rupert has done this to spite his ex colleagues and the fans....I have had this belief for some time..BUT the truth is that come the day, whether it is football or finance....Rupert is a disaster and couple this with his EGO..WE have the recipe for a person I liken to Useless Eustace...Whoever that was. The sad thing for me is that the man is still loitering with intent behind some of his cronies that backed him at the club and some of the strange posters on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 I agree. See my edit. If it's not too much of a conradiction I'm amazed but not overly surprised. No worries. I stopped being amazed 14 months ago, when we failed to get off our arses and push for a buyer. That was when the writing was on the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Bloody idiots!!!! Barclays are the reason we are in administration - they refused to continue with the overdraft. Or was that down to Lowe as well? A company does not go into administration out of spite..........Osman is either telling lies or extending the truth. A company cannot continue trading whilst insolvent (basically not enough money to pay bills, employees, etc): this is against the law and especially bad for a listed company. So that piece is absolute ******. Some of you need to grow up, stop seeing the boogey man and worry more about whether we have a club to support next season. good post dealing with reality he did it because he realised we were saddled with to much debt caused by mismangement of the finances the last 2 seasons . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 good post dealing with reality he did it because he realised we were saddled with to much debt caused by mismangement of the finances the last 2 seasons . Rupert Lowe has gone for good I hope. Not to blame for everything.....Wilde and Askham must take a little of the blame. Sorry just do not understand you solentstars and washsaint....Lowey is a fiasco and always has been....Gone for good get over it...You and your little Lowey boys are the ones living in the past...New leaders required soon with new Football coach and new players....Tell the agency for Lowe you are wasting your time on Damage Limitation...Its over..everyone knows the boyzz didn't do good AGAIN.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 (edited) good post dealing with reality he did it because he realised we were saddled with to much debt caused by mismangement of the finances the last 2 seasons . Thats absolutely correct. But, unusual in footballing terms for a bank to pull the plug at the first opportunity regardless. Sorry, but Barclay's are the reason for administration. But the opportunity now to rebuild without the incompetence of the old plc boardroom is simply magical. We will be bought out. Lets just keep selling this Club by turning up and showing how many fans we have even in the bad times. There are many buyers out there... always was. We are still the biggest club on the South coast. You know what feels really good? Buying a ticket for Saturday for Southampton Football Club and not Southampton Leisure Holdings plc. Edited 19 April, 2009 by SaintRobbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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