Administration / Takeover Timetable

[DaintyDave]

Tell you what, I would rather spend 2 hours stuck in a lift with Rupert Lowe than have to listen to the ego-maniacal crap spouted on here. I have been reading this site was back since the TSF days, recently had to join and rarely ever post, but seriously Alpine/FC, you two REALLY need to wind your necks in and get over your petty point scoring arguments with each other. This club might cease to exist in 3 weeks, and all you two can do is take pops at one another, thinking anyone else gives a flying f@$k what you have to say (there is a private message feature on here you know).

 

So.....anyone know what timetable the administrator is working to? Answers without reference to Burley/other irrelevant to the question past figures appreciated. I, for one, am interested in the answer if anyone has any insight.

[Frank's cousin]

But...... If we get taken over by a multibillionaire, will YOU agree that admin was better than Lowe? And will YOU come on here and hail Alpine as being the voice of reason and completely proved right?

 

I think we all know the answer to that!

 

Thats so clever...you almost had me there ;-)

 

IF we get taken over by ANYONE, not justa multibillionaire, that has a strong and reralistic strategy for long term success and stability, I will firsty be overjoyed - afterall no one has ever said Lowe was the answer - just possibly arguing who was the best of that historic bunch - Now, mynext question would be quite genuinely, why did saisd rescue wait until admin? does this matter if its good etc? Thats the tricky bit because there is an argument that says someone after us on the cheap.... but again does it matter? not really as long as the strategy is right.

 

IF and its a big IF, admin was the only way to a brighter future, as a result, of course everyone who advocated it will have been proven right, because its actually happened - probability of 1 you cant argue with...same as if we went bust and ceased to exist - and AFC saints in a hampshire league is NOT the same thing - that again would be a probabilty of 1 so all those who feared liquidation would be right - thing is I dont want to be right .

 

BUt thats besides the point, my argument is about RISK that some hated lowe so much and so irrationally that they were prepared to advocate a preference for a high risk of liquidation (which could still follow) in preference to lowe staying involved - I just dont believe a siants fan would see that as a worthwhile risk period. I will say again if by some miracle we land a genuine group who care, great and Alpine can fill his boots, but I cant believe the odds are worth that POV.

[Give it to Ron]

In time the truth will come about how people were interested in buying the club on a few occasions even up to the last hours before administration and under other regimes.

It wont be that administration is right it will be the fact that the club will have been sold off at a fraction of its worth and so many more people are interested.

Only in a couple of years will we see if we have got out of jail or ruination (if nobody stumps up the money we will know sooner of course)

I doubt we will get taken over by a multi billionaire

 

I will take someone who has enough to see us solvent and with ambition and the right credentials...those being someone totally new to the club with no baggage.

If its a multi billionaire then good we have struggled enough if its not then lets just hope its omeone that does far better than the last 5 years they wont have much to beat IMO.

[OldNick]

Sorry but if you make stupid comments like that you're going to get into a debate.

 

I don't know why people can't grasp this one. Why do so many of you assume the past is changed so much by the present? How does our position now impact what Burley did? You're saying he's more of a success because we're now crap? If we were great now, would he be less of a success? No, it makes no difference.

 

Take Burley out the equation. Was 20th in the Premiership a good finish? Were we all proud of that, happy to be in that position, delighted with what we'd achieved with our resources? Of course not. It was a disgrace, horrendous management, woeful form, poor injuries and so on. Yet now we're fighting relegation from the CCC, so by your logic, 20th in the Premiership was a brilliant achievement.

 

Can we just show a little sense about it? Burley was appalling because he failed with a good squad and a lot of money. To be a success all he had to do was get the best out of what he had. That's why Pearson was a success in the end despite a poorer squad, he got the best out of them. On Saturday Wotte got the best out of an even poorer squad. That's all a manager can do. That's why league position means nothing when comparing managers unless they have almost identical teams and resources.

 

Yet you choose to compare Burley, good squad plus 13m. in the CCC, with latter managers who had a combined total of NOTHING to spend, restricted by many of Burley's ridiculously high earners and poor players. Sorry, you can't sign a defender, Wayne Thomas is in the physio's room counting his 8k a week again though.

 

Disagree on his time by all means, although it is bewildering and heartbreaking to see people defend the manager who has most directly produced our financial plight. But if you must praise him, do it for his time here, nothing else. The performance before or afterwards has nothing to do with it. Unless you think that Wotte picking Smith at Palace somehow forced Burley to drop Rasiak 2 years ago.

 

I'm not sure what's more depressing, the lack of logic or being made to think about Burley again.

You dont rate GB, like many others thats your choice.He will not be remembered as a great but he did what no other has done since and that was to get us to a whisker of the play off final.His team selections got us there not all the fans who were crying that KD was playing instead of their choice.He was the 1 who turned a failed full back into a multi million pound transfer, he turned Jones from a player who many said was useless into a multi million£ sale at the same time bringing in return a goalscorer who ultimately saved us from relegation after we plummeted down league after he walked out, who plucked a 16-17 yr old kid from the reserves to a muliti million £ sale. The moneyhe made from those sales more than paid for some of the excesses and it could be said if it was not for that money we could have been in administration last season as LC called the money outstanding in to keep us alive.Yes he made some poor decisions but it is the fans who think they know best who lost their nerve. Any team that had the heart ripped from, then the team stutters, that is what happened last season. it was soul destroying. As for KD I was having the same old arguements about his qualities then and only people wanted to see was the negatives and spoke about them, only as he consistantly proved them wrong that they were prepared to see he is a samned good keeper as he was then.

[OldNick]

Tell you what, I would rather spend 2 hours stuck in a lift with Rupert Lowe than have to listen to the ego-maniacal crap spouted on here. I have been reading this site was back since the TSF days, recently had to join and rarely ever post, but seriously Alpine/FC, you two REALLY need to wind your necks in and get over your petty point scoring arguments with each other. This club might cease to exist in 3 weeks, and all you two can do is take pops at one another, thinking anyone else gives a flying f@$k what you have to say (there is a private message feature on here you know).

 

So.....anyone know what timetable the administrator is working to? Answers without reference to Burley/other irrelevant to the question past figures appreciated. I, for one, am interested in the answer if anyone has any insight.

I dont think there is a timescale except as soon as the funds run dry he will then call in the liquidator. If LC is correct the club needs 500k to keep us going until the end of the season. Burnley s gate receipts may be important and so a good win at SW would not come amiss. One thing is for certain the administrator will not cough up any money to keep us going and so as soon asw he sees that there is no money to keep paying his fees he will pull the plug and the lights go out period.So basically I would suggest 2-3 weeks time. Exciting isnt it?

[Nick65]

If we need £500K to get to the end of the season, then it's vital to get a full house for the Burnley game - where else are we going to get serious amounts of money from ?

So that would mean we've got 11 days.

 

Two weeks ago I really thought we could be finished, then I thought we'd be OK (relatively) when there were supposedly 19/30/34/whatever interested investors, now I'm getting more and more edgy with each passing day ...

[Frank's cousin]

Tell you what, I would rather spend 2 hours stuck in a lift with Rupert Lowe than have to listen to the ego-maniacal crap spouted on here. I have been reading this site was back since the TSF days, recently had to join and rarely ever post, but seriously Alpine/FC, you two REALLY need to wind your necks in and get over your petty point scoring arguments with each other. This club might cease to exist in 3 weeks, and all you two can do is take pops at one another, thinking anyone else gives a flying f@$k what you have to say (there is a private message feature on here you know).

 

So.....anyone know what timetable the administrator is working to? Answers without reference to Burley/other irrelevant to the question past figures appreciated. I, for one, am interested in the answer if anyone has any insight.

 

Fair enough...it was a bit churlish to bring up that point - but generally I do think the timescale is now VERY short to find an appropriate buyer who has the clout to convince the Administrator, let alone one who has a strategy that fans will find positive. Ideally we need a stay of execution to make sure the administrator gets the best all round rather trhan just accepting what its deemed acceptable to Barclays and Aviva... I just think the odds are stacked against us and still feel we should have avoided this at all costs whatever that meant fro occupation of the boardroom.

[rallyboy]

I now fear that unless a consortium gets its act together in the next seven days the club will fold without completing the season.

 

And I am not sure there is much we can do other than just wait and hope that the administrator can save us.

 

If there is still anyone out there worried about formations, blame, past managers' records and other trivia - it is time to wake up to the very big picture, you may have already/be about to see your last ever Saints game.

 

Please consortiums, prove me wrong.

[Frank's cousin]

I now fear that unless a consortium gets its act together in the next seven days the club will fold without completing the season.

 

And I am not sure there is much we can do other than just wait and hope that the administrator can save us.

 

If there is still anyone out there worried about formations, blame, past managers' records and other trivia - it is time to wake up to the very big picture, you may have already/be about to see your last ever Saints game.

 

Please consortiums, prove me wrong.

 

This is the huge worry - that time is against us. Some out there may well find some solace in watching AFC Saints in the Hampshire senior or whatever, but it wont be the club that has been around for 124 years - a year short of the 125th that we all know and love.

 

Someone out there with the money must surely see we have the infrastructure in place and the fanbase - its as good a starting point as any club in the FL and better than some in the prem as we are better value, come on get your wallets out!

[Micky]

Tell you what, I would rather spend 2 hours stuck in a lift with Rupert Lowe than have to listen to the ego-maniacal crap spouted on here. I have been reading this site was back since the TSF days, recently had to join and rarely ever post, but seriously Alpine/FC, you two REALLY need to wind your necks in and get over your petty point scoring arguments with each other. This club might cease to exist in 3 weeks, and all you two can do is take pops at one another, thinking anyone else gives a flying f@$k what you have to say (there is a private message feature on here you know).

 

So.....anyone know what timetable the administrator is working to? Answers without reference to Burley/other irrelevant to the question past figures appreciated. I, for one, am interested in the answer if anyone has any insight.

 

With sensible, reasoned points such as that you should come here more often - but I can understand why you don't.

[Frank's cousin]

With sensible, reasoned points such as that you should come here more often - but I can understand why you don't.

 

Oh get get off you high horses you old women!;-)

 

This place would be dull dull dull if we all agreed on everything and the spats and are part of that - mostly erupting because its so easy to flame ont interwebnet thingy - Alps and me would probaly get plastered on quality Austrian Pislner brewed by naked monks and have the same debate, if down the Gaststaette so chill boys and stop being like over sensitive parents! ;-)

[spain saint]

I now fear that unless a consortium gets its act together in the next seven days the club will fold without completing the season.

 

And I am not sure there is much we can do other than just wait and hope that the administrator can save us.

 

If there is still anyone out there worried about formations, blame, past managers' records and other trivia - it is time to wake up to the very big picture, you may have already/be about to see your last ever Saints game.

 

Please consortiums, prove me wrong.

 

 

This is actually the problem here! None of us know who or how many people/consortiums are interested in buying the club, so therefore we can't put a new timescale on it. We were told we had 24 days, now we have posters saying we might not last the week! This is all just conjecture and opinion. I will wait for the 24 days we were told originally until any other "official" information comes out. What we don't need right now is this type of scaremongering from people that have no more clue as to what will happen than me.

 

In reponse to FC, it is obvious why interested parties would wait until admin as that is business my friend, if they can save themselves a few quid they will!

[spain saint]

I would just like to add that this is a forum for debate! So all the posters getting there knickers in a twist because people want to talk about the past, just relax! We hav'nt exactly got much else to talk about right now seeing as none of us have any info on takeovers etc. Even if we get taken over and become the best club in the country, some will still talk about Lowe as he will always be a part of our history!

[John B]

You dont rate GB, like many others thats your choice.He will not be remembered as a great but he did what no other has done since and that was to get us to a whisker of the play off final.His team selections got us there not all the fans who were crying that KD was playing instead of their choice.He was the 1 who turned a failed full back into a multi million pound transfer, he turned Jones from a player who many said was useless into a multi million£ sale at the same time bringing in return a goalscorer who ultimately saved us from relegation after we plummeted down league after he walked out, who plucked a 16-17 yr old kid from the reserves to a muliti million £ sale. The moneyhe made from those sales more than paid for some of the excesses and it could be said if it was not for that money we could have been in administration last season as LC called the money outstanding in to keep us alive.Yes he made some poor decisions but it is the fans who think they know best who lost their nerve. Any team that had the heart ripped from, then the team stutters, that is what happened last season. it was soul destroying. As for KD I was having the same old arguements about his qualities then and only people wanted to see was the negatives and spoke about them, only as he consistantly proved them wrong that they were prepared to see he is a samned good keeper as he was then.

 

 

I had two problems with Burley

 

1 He brought in average players at overated wages

 

2 He was always looking to get in midfield and forward players when I thought the defence needed attention.

 

But the team played reasonably well until late 2007

[Frank's cousin]

This is actually the problem here! None of us know who or how many people/consortiums are interested in buying the club, so therefore we can't put a new timescale on it. We were told we had 24 days, now we have posters saying we might not last the week! This is all just conjecture and opinion. I will wait for the 24 days we were told originally until any other "official" information comes out. What we don't need right now is this type of scaremongering from people that have no more clue as to what will happen than me.

 

In reponse to FC, it is obvious why interested parties would wait until admin as that is business my friend, if they can save themselves a few quid they will!

 

The other aspect to consider is that of the so called 34 interested parties - its clear from the recent 'council to buy SMS' thread that quite a few of these will be parties interested in one part of the company only eg how many others out there are interestyed in the stadium only or Jacksons farm only or even Staplewood only? The administrator will be entertaining the best bids for each of these to maximise the returns, not remotely interested in whether thsi is good long term for SFC Ltd which will be considered a seperate assest - eg we could get sold and have no venue if the ground went to someone else for development (not likely given location and/or current economic climate/planning consent etc) but an illustrated extreme case

 

I am usually very positive, and happy clappy, but even though Lowe has gone, we are IMHO in a far worse state now than we were before as the consequences if we dont find buyers dont bare thinking about - thats why I cant get Alpines POV.

[Frank's cousin]

some will still talk about Lowe as he will always be a part of our history!

 

...and because we love him, dont forget that! ;-)

 

 

(huge irony alert)

[Window Cleaner]

Takeover Timetable?

 

J+13 and nothing very concrete has happened, or on the face of it anyway.

 

For reference we are now J+720(or so) on the Paul Allen takeover and...nothing has happened.

[spain saint]

The other aspect to consider is that of the so called 34 interested parties - its clear from the recent 'council to buy SMS' thread that quite a few of these will be parties interested in one part of the company only eg how many others out there are interestyed in the stadium only or Jacksons farm only or even Staplewood only? The administrator will be entertaining the best bids for each of these to maximise the returns, not remotely interested in whether thsi is good long term for SFC Ltd which will be considered a seperate assest - eg we could get sold and have no venue if the ground went to someone else for development (not likely given location and/or current economic climate/planning consent etc) but an illustrated extreme case

 

I am usually very positive, and happy clappy, but even though Lowe has gone, we are IMHO in a far worse state now than we were before as the consequences if we dont find buyers dont bare thinking about - thats why I cant get Alpines POV.

 

 

As far as i know (could be wrong!), the stadium couldn't be sold for redevelopement as I believe that there is something about having a stadium in the city as part of the council remit! Hence the council maybe buying it?

 

I don't agree totally with Alpine either but I must admit that I saw admin as a better option to having Lowe etc here and so far I will stick to that as I don't think it is as scary as it is made out to be. I still believe we will be taken over before the time runs out and until the final bell sounds I will hope it happens! (glass half full man here!)

 

If we do cease to exist I think we would all be devestated, but until that time all the scaremongering going on doesn't help anyone!

[Frank's cousin]

As far as i know (could be wrong!), the stadium couldn't be sold for redevelopement as I believe that there is something about having a stadium in the city as part of the council remit! Hence the council maybe buying it?

 

I don't agree totally with Alpine either but I must admit that I saw admin as a better option to having Lowe etc here and so far I will stick to that as I don't think it is as scary as it is made out to be. I still believe we will be taken over before the time runs out and until the final bell sounds I will hope it happens! (glass half full man here!)

 

If we do cease to exist I think we would all be devestated, but until that time all the scaremongering going on doesn't help anyone!

 

I am not usually one for scaremongering either, there have been many who have 'underplayed teh consequences of administration to justify using it as a way for isolving the board with the hope of a better future - admirable, yes but is that not really naive given the odds? Is the risk/reward ratio worth it given the dire consequences of liquidation? I simply dont want to be forced to supporting an AFC Saints - it will be a different club - and so for me the risks associated with admin outway this irrational hatred towards one man....

[Micky]

I would just like to add that this is a forum for debate! So all the posters getting there knickers in a twist because people want to talk about the past, just relax! We hav'nt exactly got much else to talk about right now seeing as none of us have any info on takeovers etc. Even if we get taken over and become the best club in the country, some will still talk about Lowe as he will always be a part of our history!

 

Talk about missing the point....!!!!

[Nineteen Canteen]

And therein lies the nub of the problem.

 

Just as there are few people who seem to think the sun shines on Rupert Lowe (Nineteen Canteen springs to mind), there are others who cannot accept he should have any credit for anything (a lot more names in here).

 

Speaking personally, I have found myself leaping to his (RL's) defence in the face of blinkered opposition, not because I necessarily supported him on 100% of issues. I find it difficult to respect anyone who cannot recognise that there are two sides to every decision (for example I don't see many complaining about the corners being shut now we're in admin. Lowe does it and some were treating it like he'd molested their gran).

 

Add to that I have a natural tendency to support the underdog, that's why I've supported Saints since knee high. It's also natural for anyone to embelish their argument to support their point and, if all else fails, I recommend putting FACT! at the end.

 

So there's a rational reason. Alternatively you can accept there are some on this board who have little petty vendettas with each other. It's just a bit sad. FACT!

 

ps. Note the use of past tense. He's no longer with the club.

 

AP,

 

I have been vociferous in my support for Lowe because I genuinely believed and still do he was our best option for survival in the absence of any investment. Nothing to do with the 'sun shines' more to so with the best available to us. My views have become entrenched for identical reasons you state for yourself.

 

NC

[um pahars]

I have been vociferous in my support for Lowe

 

You haven't been very vociferous in your support, as you've only been around since January this year;)

[ALWAYS_SFC]

You haven't been very vociferous, as you've only been around since January this year;)

 

Perhaps "vociferous" was one of his alternative persona;)

[bridge too far]

According to BBC South Today, Mark Fry has said there is enough money in the coffers at the moment to ensure we can afford to play to the end of the season.

 

Just to bring us back on topic

[NickG]

According to BBC South Today, Mark Fry has said there is enough money in the coffers at the moment to ensure we can afford to play to the end of the season.

 

Just to bring us back on topic

 

only because of the £5k in buckets!

[J Bizzle]

According to BBC South Today, Mark Fry has said there is enough money in the coffers at the moment to ensure we can afford to play to the end of the season.

 

Just to bring us back on topic

 

Not exactly, what was said was that the Burnley game would definately go ahead, but after that the future is uncertain, and saints may not actually make it to the end of the season wich ends on the 23/24 June. (if thats the correct date).

[bridge too far]

Not exactly, what was said was that the Burnley game would definately go ahead, but after that the future is uncertain, and saints may not actually make it to the end of the season wich ends on the 23/24 June. (if thats the correct date).

 

5th May - v Notts Forest is the last match of the season.

[SFC Forever]

Do people realise that with so many bids being mentioned it will take time? If you add to that simple fact another possible one.( Someone could,even now, be waiting for the price to drop further. Thus enabling them to have more for the future.)

 

I pray that fact is the one that grabs the attention. Bickering over who is to blame for the loss of our club is not going to help bring it back. Find a way forward please for our youngsters who are much to young to do anything for themselves.

Next week I shall take my 5yo and his 10yo sister in case they never get the chance to see the team again. They have caught the bug from me and both love this club we supposedly support.

In answer to the original question, I imagine we have until we run out of money.

[Joesaint]

Just thought I'd ask if you (anyone) is feeling positive about the future of the club of am I right in that we really have to cross our fingers, give what we can to the fund and pray?

[obelisk]

5th May - v Notts Forest is the last match of the season.

No chance of the playoffs then?

[bridge too far]

No chance of the playoffs then?

 

Darnation! I forgot to factor that into my reply

[Morph]

Just thought I'd ask if you (anyone) is feeling positive about the future of the club of am I right in that we really have to cross our fingers, give what we can to the fund and pray?

 

Well I'm very confident

 

Regards

 

Morph

[Mole]

Well I'm very confident

 

Regards

 

Morph

 

I'm confident too that we'll be bought out. Not so confident about the 10 point penalty mind.

 

I've said it before and i'll say it again - the current situation, i.e the death of the PLC, is the best thing that could've happened to Saints.

 

We've hit rock bottom and the only way is up. Yeah we might go down and yeah we might get a 10 point penalty, but in the medium to long term it's for the best.

[Guided Missile]

I've said it before and i'll say it again - the current situation, i.e the death of the PLC, is the best thing that could've happened to Saints.

Better than getting better gates, avoiding administration and staying up?

[trousers]

Well I'm very confident

 

Regards

 

Morph

 

"IMHO" or "matter of factly"....?:confused:

[Mole]

Better than getting better gates, avoiding administration and staying up?

 

GM you know far more about business than me, that goes without saying, but speaking with Forest fans i know they say the same thing as me about PLC's in football - they are a recipe for disater.

 

Of course i'd have loved us to be bought out fully without admin, but it was never going to happen after the braindead decision to turn down SISU.

 

It's been crystal clear since then that Admin was inevitable sooner or later and it's then that we'd be taken over.

 

LET ME REPEAT - ADMIN WAS INEVITABLE after Wildes spending spree.

 

Better gates are needed and it'd be nice to avoid the 10 point penalty (i can't see us not getting points deducted if i'm honest (but i hope i'm wrong)) but when the dust has settled and we more than likely find ourselves in League 1 we'll be in a position to start looking forward.

 

I'm under no illusions that we won't struggle in league 1 (and may get relegated if we get deducted 10 points for that season), but i reckon even with a 10 point penalty we can survive. On this basis i see us rising up in season 2010/11.

 

But make no mistake the collapse of the PLC and removal of Lowe and Wilde will ultimately be seen as the turning point when we look back in years to come.

[Guided Missile]

GM you know far more about business than me, that goes without saying, but speaking with Forest fans i know they say the same thing as me about PLC's in football - they are a recipe for disater.

We could have got rid of the plc without going into administration. Stanley, we have had our disagreements in the past, but I think we finally agree with each other that plc's are outmoded, when it comes to football clubs. See this post.

Bottom line, with the proper leadership within the club, it didn't have to come to this...

[DaintyDave]

Slight worry for me is the fact that if these consortiums (consortia?.....yes, consortia) have only just come on the scene and were not the tyre-kickers that Lowe was apparently showing around on a weekly basis before admin, then do they really have time to do due diligence etc on the club?

 

I know at Luton they put up a deposit to get the club to the end of the year and buy them an "exclusivity" period but that was a small sum because, frankly, Luton is a small club with a small wage bill and small ground. Is anyone really going to stump up the money we'd need to get through the summer just for that right?

 

Would I have Rupert Lowe back if it meant not being in this mess - absolutely. In the same way I would probably resort to cannibalism if I was stranded on a lifeboat.

[obelisk]

Would I have Rupert Lowe back if it meant not being in this mess - absolutely. In the same way I would probably resort to cannibalism if I was stranded on a lifeboat.

With Rupert? Could leave a bitter taste in the mouth I reckon.

[DaintyDave]

Hopefully would never have to be stranded on a lifeboat WITH Rupert Lowe, although I guess if he was Captianing the ship, there'd be a reasonable chance it would end up sinking..............just based on SLH and what he managed to do since becoming Chairman of WHI!

[PokingFun]

Sorry but if you make stupid comments like that you're going to get into a debate.

 

I don't know why people can't grasp this one. Why do so many of you assume the past is changed so much by the present? How does our position now impact what Burley did? You're saying he's more of a success because we're now crap? If we were great now, would he be less of a success? No, it makes no difference.

 

Take Burley out the equation. Was 20th in the Premiership a good finish? Were we all proud of that, happy to be in that position, delighted with what we'd achieved with our resources? Of course not. It was a disgrace, horrendous management, woeful form, poor injuries and so on. Yet now we're fighting relegation from the CCC, so by your logic, 20th in the Premiership was a brilliant achievement.

 

Can we just show a little sense about it? Burley was appalling because he failed with a good squad and a lot of money. To be a success all he had to do was get the best out of what he had. That's why Pearson was a success in the end despite a poorer squad, he got the best out of them. On Saturday Wotte got the best out of an even poorer squad. That's all a manager can do. That's why league position means nothing when comparing managers unless they have almost identical teams and resources.

 

Yet you choose to compare Burley, good squad plus 13m. in the CCC, with latter managers who had a combined total of NOTHING to spend, restricted by many of Burley's ridiculously high earners and poor players. Sorry, you can't sign a defender, Wayne Thomas is in the physio's room counting his 8k a week again though.

 

Disagree on his time by all means, although it is bewildering and heartbreaking to see people defend the manager who has most directly produced our financial plight. But if you must praise him, do it for his time here, nothing else. The performance before or afterwards has nothing to do with it. Unless you think that Wotte picking Smith at Palace somehow forced Burley to drop Rasiak 2 years ago.

 

I'm not sure what's more depressing, the lack of logic or being made to think about Burley again.

 

Once again you have chosen to ignore the funds brought in from the sales of our BEST players during GB's reign.

[J Bizzle]

5th May - v Notts Forest is the last match of the season.

 

That may be last fixture of the season, but the season itself lasts longer than that.

[InvictaSaint]

Slight worry for me is the fact that if these consortiums (consortia?.....yes, consortia) have only just come on the scene and were not the tyre-kickers that Lowe was apparently showing around on a weekly basis before admin, then do they really have time to do due diligence etc on the club?

 

I know at Luton they put up a deposit to get the club to the end of the year and buy them an "exclusivity" period but that was a small sum because, frankly, Luton is a small club with a small wage bill and small ground. Is anyone really going to stump up the money we'd need to get through the summer just for that right?

 

Would I have Rupert Lowe back if it meant not being in this mess - absolutely. In the same way I would probably resort to cannibalism if I was stranded on a lifeboat.

 

Latin words ending in - ium can form their plurals with either an 's' (consortiums) or an a (consortia); so you were right in both cases :-)

[Saint 76er]

Hopefully would never have to be stranded on a lifeboat WITH Rupert Lowe, although I guess if he was Captianing the ship, there'd be a reasonable chance it would end up sinking..............just based on SLH and what he managed to do since becoming Chairman of WHI!

 

It's all becoming clear now, as the reincarnationists among us must surely have known... Rupert Lowe was obviously the captain of the Titanic in his previous life and returned to Southampton but ended up with the same disastrous result.

 

:(

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I will feel overjoyed if we get a knew and better board - because its ONLY ever been about SFC and loyalty to it rather than loyalty to any one man. Lowe has without doubt made big mistakes that have directly contributed (along with others) to our situation. If however you believe as Alpine does that the potential of no club is prefereable to a club with Lowe' date=' then sorry, but that is outrageous. the Club is way bigger and more important than one man, always has been.[/quote']

 

 

Frank - you may think it "outrageous" but there are vast swathes of genuine Saints fans who were prepared to take the gamble of administration if it meant the removal of Lowe. Perhaps they know not what they wish for, but for many the club under Lowe was barely worth supporting anymore. (Certainly Barclays were of that opinion.) Bizarre? Maybe, but I do think you - in your efforts to be balanced - lose sight of the sheer distaste there is/was for Lowe's continued involvement in SFC. Sure there are plenty of others who have contributed to our downfall but whether you like it or not he will always (quite rightly imo) be seen as the main catalyst.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Better than getting better gates, avoiding administration and staying up?

 

But that was never looking like happening?

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Well I'm very confident

 

Regards

 

Morph

 

Sincerely hope you are right, Morph

 

I still have a few doubts

 

but I always was a glass half empty sort of chap - comes with supporting Saints!

[miserableoldgit]

"IMHO" or "matter of factly"....?:confused:

Well spotted, Detective Inspector Trousers! Was the usual "IMHO" deliberately omitted or not????

[Saint Fan CaM]

Well spotted, Detective Inspector Trousers! Was the usual "IMHO" deliberately omitted or not????

 

 

Perhaps the biggest indicator to date that the Salz team are leading the field? I for one would be quite pleased with this as a result, but of course as always the proof of the pudding...

 

For those that doubt the 'Lowe effect', how do you explain a rise of 10k on the gate after he and Wilde have left? I know of too many people who are returning now they've gone for this to be coincidence. The club would not have been sold all the while Lowe's PLC was in place...that's why the enlightened few realised that administration was the only way out, unpalatable as that may seem. I remember my dear Mum telling me as a kid that the medicine tasted bad because it was doing me some good. Definately a case of no pain, no gain.

[saintwarwick]

Perhaps the biggest indicator to date that the Salz team are leading the field? I for one would be quite pleased with this as a result, but of course as always the proof of the pudding...

 

For those that doubt the 'Lowe effect', how do you explain a rise of 10k on the gate after he and Wilde have left? I know of too many people who are returning now they've gone for this to be coincidence. The club would not have been sold all the while Lowe's PLC was in place...that's why the enlightened few realised that administration was the only way out, unpalatable as that may seem. I remember my dear Mum telling me as a kid that the medicine tasted bad because it was doing me some good. Definately a case of no pain, no gain.

 

Something to do with administration and the rally call that followed.