Bucket Collection today- volunteers required

[derry]

I've looked into the situation re the club and things like bucket collections.

 

They are not in a position with all that is hanging over their head to do this.

 

You couldn't make it up, even the bloody bucket must have a sealed lid.

 

I think that the saints trust should have advertised on here as soon as they knew they were going to do one and get a pool of volunteers rather than a post on Easter sunday looking for volunteers at the last moment.

[Window Cleaner]

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You couldn't make it up, even the bloody bucket must have a sealed lid.

 

 

 

It all sounds very like Phoebe with her Xmas charity collect outside Bloomingdale's.:mad:

[derry]

I'm still going to stick something in the pot, there are a lot of good, totally innocent people in the club, wondering if they are going to be paid this month, and worrying how they are going to pay their bills if they aren't.

 

If everybody who could afford it stuck £10/£20 in the bucket it would certainly help.

[IFHP]

Too little too late as far as the Saints trust is concerned.

Why did the trust not question Wild about hid promised investment?

Why did the trust not question the overspending by the club?

Why did the trust not question the youth policy by lowe?

Why did the trust not question yet another failed managerial appointment by Lowe?

[Rattlehead]

I'm still going to stick something in the pot, there are a lot of good, totally innocent people in the club, wondering if they are going to be paid this month, and worrying how they are going to pay their bills if they aren't.

 

If everybody who could afford it stuck £10/£20 in the bucket it would certainly help.

 

Only 500 donations of £10 required to pay the entirely innocent BWP this week. Hopefully he will be able to pay his Cristal bill.

[derry]

Only 500 donations of £10 required to pay the entirely innocent BWP this week. Hopefully he will be able to pay his Cristal bill.

 

Don't even go there.

[NickG]

hope there isn't pressure on people to throw their hard earned money away today to prove their love for saints.

 

Plenty of ways of supporting without filling the buckets.

[FarehamRed]

hope there isn't pressure on people to throw their hard earned money away today to prove their love for saints.

 

Plenty of ways of supporting without filling the buckets.

 

Yes, fair enough. But if someone wants to throw a couple of quid into a bucket, why not give them the opportunity to do so?

[Rattlehead]

Don't even go there.

 

Why not? It's almost certainly appropriate, given players will probably be paid ahead of anyone else.

[NickG]

Yes, fair enough. But if someone wants to throw a couple of quid into a bucket, why not give them the opportunity to do so?

 

because I think it is playing on peoples emotions for a collection I have yet to be convinced isn't pointless

[The Rover]

Yes, fair enough. But if someone wants to throw a couple of quid into a bucket, why not give them the opportunity to do so?

 

I think if you stood in the payers car park as they leave today you might realise why some of us think this whole begging bowl thing is a little distasteful.

[these things take time]

Don't even go there.

 

Why? It is a valid point, and I see no reason for it to be ignored.

[Tamesaint]

I thought the bucket volunteers did very well today. Any idea of how much was collected??

[aintforever]

I thought the bucket volunteers did very well today. Any idea of how much was collected??

 

Probably a fraction of what the club spent on the pointless numerous rozzers all on double bubble.

[St_Tel49]

I think if you stood in the payers car park as they leave today you might realise why some of us think this whole begging bowl thing is a little distasteful.

Opinions on the bucket collection vary and all have some validity. People can only do what THEY think is right. It is not up to those who donated to criticise those who didn't nor for those who didn't to criticise those who did. FWIW I donated.

[NickG]

Opinions on the bucket collection vary and all have some validity. People can only do what THEY think is right. It is not up to those who donated to criticise those who didn't nor for those who didn't to criticise those who did. FWIW I donated.

 

for that, I criticise you!

[Nineteen Canteen]

Totally agree - I notice that not a single player / manager or coach is on the list of £1000 or more donors on the official site. If i was earning £8000 a week i would have the commonsense to chip in £1000 so it at least looks as if i care about the club.

 

That's because they don't have any political capital to make out of having their donation splashed around the programme and on the website at every opportunity. Who is organising it as past Directors?

 

Why can't people just give generously and anonymously like the vast majority will. Is there something to gain in showing everyone 'look at me, look at how much I have given, I must be popular'. Surprising names like McMenemy, Channon and Le Tissier don't appear when people bleat on about Lowe. At least the latter has a reason not to give given the reception and reaction he has been afforded and his most fierce critics seem to be silent or perhaps donated anonymously. Maybe they will make a big donation on Thursday night apart from simply turning up.

 

Naming those big donations shames others so what is the point of it all Crouch and Richards? Make you look popular? Do you know Morph?

[Window Cleaner]

I thought the bucket volunteers did very well today. Any idea of how much was collected??

 

'bout 5K I think.

Great effort but honestly 5K is nothing, means everyone in the ground put in about 25p.Obviously not how it went down but that's the rub of it.

[70's Mike]

I own up , i did not put a penny in.

I would need an idea of what it was going to be used for before i part with my cash, i am sure other clubs have used bucket collections with a specfic aim ie contribute towards a certain players wages etc but i would not want my cash going to keep say David Jones in a job rather than support a player.

[Nineteen Canteen]

I'm still going to stick something in the pot, there are a lot of good, totally innocent people in the club, wondering if they are going to be paid this month, and worrying how they are going to pay their bills if they aren't.

 

If everybody who could afford it stuck £10/£20 in the bucket it would certainly help.

 

Did you feel like this when Woollies went bust? I doubt most of their staff were earning a great deal above the minimum wage and there were a hell of a lot more of them worrying about bills.

 

Wonder how those 50 employees Crouch's company let go a few months back are feeling?

 

If everyone could have bought a ticket or just half of that extra 6k who were there yesterday then we wouldn't be in this mess and hence I suspect why i saw about every 9 fans in 10 walk past those demonic shaking buckets yesterday with their heads held high. Hardly a worthy charitable cause whee you think about it, a bit like collecting in aid of smokers ill-health. Shaking buckets for charity is that legal btw?

[Nineteen Canteen]

I own up , i did not put a penny in.

I would need an idea of what it was going to be used for before i part with my cash, i am sure other clubs have used bucket collections with a specfic aim ie contribute towards a certain players wages etc but i would not want my cash going to keep say David Jones in a job rather than support a player.

 

Neither did I but was thinking more cynically that anyone could have turned up with a green bucket and walked back over Northam footbridge at 2.55pm.

 

Seriously how do we know that the funds are not rolled back up to SLH and eventually the creditors. The football club must have been funded by SLH so surely they will need to repay what they owe as part of the winding up?

 

They didn't collect enough to pay Skacel for his first half assuming he is on 12k pw and needs the money for food.

[NickG]

how can they say what the club will spend the money on?

[derry]

Did you feel like this when Woollies went bust? I doubt most of their staff were earning a great deal above the minimum wage and there were a hell of a lot more of them worrying about bills.

 

Wonder how those 50 employees Crouch's company let go a few months back are feeling?

 

If everyone could have bought a ticket or just half of that extra 6k who were there yesterday then we wouldn't be in this mess and hence I suspect why i saw about every 9 fans in 10 walk past those demonic shaking buckets yesterday with their heads held high. Hardly a worthy charitable cause whee you think about it, a bit like collecting in aid of smokers ill-health. Shaking buckets for charity is that legal btw?

 

I don't need a self rightious lecture from you. I bought six tickets and put folding money in the bucket. I made my choice, you made your choice.

 

I expect everybody to be free to make their own minds up without sanctimonious prats like you spouting crap.

[NickG]

without wanting to join in the row - did the trust have any reassurances that this money will go to lower paid staff rather than paying a tax bill etc?

[Wes Tender]

Did you feel like this when Woollies went bust? I doubt most of their staff were earning a great deal above the minimum wage and there were a hell of a lot more of them worrying about bills.

 

Wonder how those 50 employees Crouch's company let go a few months back are feeling?

 

If everyone could have bought a ticket or just half of that extra 6k who were there yesterday then we wouldn't be in this mess and hence I suspect why i saw about every 9 fans in 10 walk past those demonic shaking buckets yesterday with their heads held high. Hardly a worthy charitable cause whee you think about it, a bit like collecting in aid of smokers ill-health. Shaking buckets for charity is that legal btw?

 

Are you seriously trying to make a comparison between people feeling a compunction to contribute to Woolworth's staff and our club? You might as well draw a parallel between paying money to your neighbour's family in the same breath as paying to yours in their hour of need. And the analogy about it being like contributing to smokers' ill health is just as stupid too.

 

If half of those extra fans had turned up regularly we might not have been in this mess.

 

Had Lowe and the Quisling not returned, we might not be in this mess.

 

Had Lowe not dismissed Pearson we might not be in this mess.

 

Had we not played the kids and loaned out the experienced players we might not have been in this mess.

 

Is the message gradually sinking in?

 

And just by the way, I did put money into the collection. It was my choice to make. Each to their own.

[Nineteen Canteen]

I don't need a self rightious lecture from you. I bought six tickets and put folding money in the bucket. I made my choice, you made your choice.

 

I expect everybody to be free to make their own minds up without sanctimonious prats like you spouting crap.

 

I'm not the righteous aftertimer moaning the club aren't helping you with your buckets. Perhaps the staff feel like saying where were you 9 months ago we only needed fans to buy tickets.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Are you seriously trying to make a comparison between people feeling a compunction to contribute to Woolworth's staff and our club? You might as well draw a parallel between paying money to your neighbour's family in the same breath as paying to yours in their hour of need. And the analogy about it being like contributing to smokers' ill health is just as stupid too.

 

If half of those extra fans had turned up regularly we might not have been in this mess.

 

Had Lowe and the Quisling not returned, we might not be in this mess.

 

Had Lowe not dismissed Pearson we might not be in this mess.

 

Had we not played the kids and loaned out the experienced players we might not have been in this mess.

 

Is the message gradually sinking in?

 

And just by the way, I did put money into the collection. It was my choice to make. Each to their own.

 

Wes was your donation the equivalent to the 4 games you chose to boycott to make a point? Given what is being used by Derry as a reason for collection I don't think my analogy re Woolies is that far off. The point with regard to smokers ill health is that it would be odd to contibute to a chairty for them when they have played a big role in their own plight. You're an intelligent bloke Wes and you know where I am coming from. Judging by your first point on the what if scale it seems we are gradually coming around to the same conclusion.

[beatlesaint]

I'm not the righteous aftertimer moaning the club aren't helping you with your buckets. Perhaps the staff feel like saying where were you 9 months ago we only needed fans to buy tickets.

 

I think the few staff that Lowe didnt sack out of spite in his points scoring "i'm getting my own back" mentality know exactly where the missing fans were 9 months ago....most importantly, unlike you, they know WHY they were missing 9 months ago !!!!

[docker-p]

Wes was your donation the equivalent to the 4 games you chose to boycott to make a point? Given what is being used by Derry as a reason for collection I don't think my analogy re Woolies is that far off. The point with regard to smokers ill health is that it would be odd to contibute to a chairty for them when they have played a big role in their own plight. You're an intelligent bloke Wes and you know where I am coming from. Judging by your first point on the what if scale it seems we are gradually coming around to the same conclusion.

You miss the point NC. By boycotting they contributed to Lowes exit from SMS. The jobs a good'ne:)

[Amesbury Saint]

You miss the point NC. By boycotting they contributed to Lowes exit from SMS. The jobs a good'ne:)

 

I think we need to move on from Lowe. He is history, consigned to the dustbin marked failure.

 

 

Lets concentrate on the next few weeks and hopefully a rosy long term future.

[Nineteen Canteen]

You miss the point NC. By boycotting they contributed to Lowes exit from SMS. The jobs a good'ne:)

 

You need to leave that Lafite Vinegar Vintage you have on your sideboard alone Docker-P. Robbing you of coherent thought and common sense.

[derry]

I'm not the righteous aftertimer moaning the club aren't helping you with your buckets. Perhaps the staff feel like saying where were you 9 months ago we only needed fans to buy tickets.

 

You really are a bigger prat than I gave you credit for, the only thing I am involved in is the potential appeal and backup structure.

 

Under organised £5000 bucket collections don't cut it for me.

 

I have two season tickets, the last two seasons I had three, but often couldn't give the seat away, I haven't missed a home match in three seasons and if we are still going will be buying two more next season.

 

Maybe a visit to your phsychiatrist might cure some of your problems. You should read some of your posts and see how you look to others. It's not a pretty picture.

[um pahars]

You should read some of your posts and see how you look to others. It's not a pretty picture.

 

But it's the picture a troll want to see;)

[up and away]

Originally Posted by docker-p

You miss the point NC. By boycotting they contributed to Lowes exit from SMS. The jobs a good'ne:smile:

I think we need to move on from Lowe. He is history, consigned to the dustbin marked failure.

 

 

Lets concentrate on the next few weeks and hopefully a rosy long term future.

 

This is one of the main factors why some fans will not donate to the administrator. When you have some running round trying to find donations and urging others to do so, when not so long ago there actions were the complete opposite just to get rid of Lowe. This is not about a love for Saints, more the opposite.

 

You can just imagine how history would be changed with the judgement of Solomon. When the ruling to split the child in two and give each protagnonist a half, Crouch would have remained silent.

[Toomer]

But it's the picture a troll want to see;)

 

Some thing out of The Lord of the Rings.

[Nineteen Canteen]

You really are a bigger prat than I gave you credit for, the only thing I am involved in is the potential appeal and backup structure.

 

Under organised £5000 bucket collections don't cut it for me.

 

I have two season tickets, the last two seasons I had three, but often couldn't give the seat away, I haven't missed a home match in three seasons and if we are still going will be buying two more next season.

 

Maybe a visit to your phsychiatrist might cure some of your problems. You should read some of your posts and see how you look to others. It's not a pretty picture.

 

A model fan then Derry. Nothing personal its more to do with what you represent and whether its the right approach. Not surprisngly, I don't believe it is and I don't really care about my public persona but more concerned with trying to initiate some debate less we end up with a bigger problem going forward. Pity, if prior to Lowe's return the people in charge acted to save the club instead of worrying about how they 'look' this season may not have been quite so desperate and Lowe may never have felt the need to come back.

 

Clean slate or nothing is the way it must be. I can't cope with slow lingering deaths and more infighting whilst watching fans contribute money with no understanding where or how that money will be used. To pay Skacel's 12k pw?

[Nineteen Canteen]

This is one of the main factors why some fans will not donate to the administrator. When you have some running round trying to find donations and urging others to do so, when not so long ago there actions were the complete opposite just to get rid of Lowe. This is not about a love for Saints, more the opposite.

 

You can just imagine how history would be changed with the judgement of Solomon. When the ruling to split the child in two and give each protagnonist a half, Crouch would have remained silent.

 

Exactly, righteously collecting money for something we in part helped to bring upon ourselves I suspect is viewed with utter bewilderment at the ticket office windows and beyond.

[um pahars]

Pity, if prior to Lowe's return

 

If only you were around at that time to help us sort out the problem.

 

Only turning up a few months ago was never going to help anyone:D

[derry]

A model fan then Derry. Nothing personal its more to do with what you represent and whether its the right approach. Not surprisngly, I don't believe it is and I don't really care about my public persona but more concerned with trying to initiate some debate less we end up with a bigger problem going forward. Pity, if prior to Lowe's return the people in charge acted to save the club instead of worrying about how they 'look' this season may not have been quite so desperate and Lowe may never have felt the need to come back.

 

Clean slate or nothing is the way it must be. I can't cope with slow lingering deaths and more infighting whilst watching fans contribute money with no understanding where or how that money will be used. To pay Skacel's 12k pw?

 

You just don't get it. The initiative involving pledges which is the only initiative on this site is not putting a penny into anybody's pocket.

 

It is measureing whether there is enough support to possibly save the club in the event of imminent liquidation. At the same time cutting the corners so it is possible to act quickly. It is a last resort initiative.

 

I actually think that whatever we do, if somebody doesn't buy the club and it's assets, as there are more apathetic debaters than people that will donate, the club is finished whatever we try to do.

 

Maybe if you read more and debated less you would grasp what we are trying to do.

Edited 15 April, 2009 by derry

[derry]

The Administrator of SLH doesn't see or control donations to SFC.

 

Any donations go into the solvent SFC to try and help to avoid administration and buy time to get a buyer in and the deal completed before the SFC collapses.

[Mole]

I wouldn't put anything in the bucket. If the collection was for the Ted Bates statue i would, if the collection was for a worthy charity like the British Legion i would, but put money in a bucket for a failed PLC - no way.

 

These "peanuts" gestures are pointless. Putting £1, £5, £20 in the bucket is like lobbing a penny down Oxford Street - it's just a daft thing to do and throwing your money away.

 

By all means give if you want to to but it'll make next to no difference. This isn't a village football team needing £1000 to install a new urinal, this is a multimillion pound business that's broke.

 

The future of SFC is out of all of our hands and all we can do is attend and show potential investors that the fanbase is there.

[Nineteen Canteen]

The Administrator of SLH doesn't see or control donations to SFC.

 

Any donations go into the solvent SFC to try and help to avoid administration and buy time to get a buyer in and the deal completed before the SFC collapses.

 

Does SFC owe SLH money? If not how is it funded?

[Nineteen Canteen]

I wouldn't put anything in the bucket. If the collection was for the Ted Bates statue i would, if the collection was for a worthy charity like the British Legion i would, but put money in a bucket for a failed PLC - no way.

 

These "peanuts" gestures are pointless. Putting £1, £5, £20 in the bucket is like lobbing a penny down Oxford Street - it's just a daft thing to do and throwing your money away.

 

By all means give if you want to to but it'll make next to no difference. This isn't a village football team needing £1000 to install a new urinal, this is a multimillion pound business that's broke.

 

The future of SFC is out of all of our hands and all we can do is attend and show potential investors that the fanbase is there.

 

For the first time since January 2009 (for my stalker) I agree pretty much with most of what Stanley is saying even though we remain poles apart on how we came or wanted to be in this place at least we agree on assessing the current situation and it should not be asking the poor to finance the rich via bucket rattling.

 

For the record if SFC need to rely on the 11th hour pledges of fans then for the sake of their money and their good intentions it would be better for the administrator to wind the club up than p1ss away the money of some genuine but gulliable fans. People are likely to lose money they can ill afford to lose in all probablity for the sake of prolonging the inevitable.

 

If no one thinks we are worth buying then fans should not be persuaded to act as holed lifeboats IMO because if shrewd businessmen do not think we are viable then we should be accepting our fate not throwing good money after bad.

 

Lets just hope we have a very clean slate of a take over although it worries me Morph once again is spinning his web alluding that things are looking good. If they are it is likely if Morph knows we could have some very unwelcome familiar faces returning the only solace is Morph comes and goes dependent if there is anything in it for him or his connections a bit like Crouch and both have failed in the long run IMO.

[um pahars]

For the first time since January 2009 .

 

But where were you up until then???

 

How this site could have done with your input before then;)

[Nineteen Canteen]

But where were you up until then???

 

How this site could have done with your input before then;)

 

3 minutes Um? Taking your eye off the ball. What took you so long? Let me know when you think your behaviour is likely to turn into harrassment.

[um pahars]

3 minutes Um? Taking your eye off the ball. What took you so long? Let me know when you think your behaviour is likely to turn into harrassment.

 

I'd beat Roger Bannister!!!!

 

I'd say unsolicited & abusive e-mails, thrown in with a few faux allegations of violence, abuse and aggression could be construed as harrassment. What do you think????:D;)

[Wes Tender]

This is one of the main factors why some fans will not donate to the administrator. When you have some running round trying to find donations and urging others to do so, when not so long ago there actions were the complete opposite just to get rid of Lowe. This is not about a love for Saints, more the opposite.

 

You can just imagine how history would be changed with the judgement of Solomon. When the ruling to split the child in two and give each protagnonist a half, Crouch would have remained silent.

 

Of course it was about a love for Saints and the second paragraph shows that you don't have any grasp on reality. If those people perceived that Lowe was harming the club they loved, then naturally they would campaign to rid the club of him. The ones who are apathetic to a damaging situation are the ones who do not care, not those who are prepared to take action. If you cannot see that the boycott of Lowe and the subsequent action to donate money or suggest iniatives to raise funds are mutually consistent positions now that he has gone, then you show an inability to follow simple thought processes, as illustrated by your Solomon analogy.

 

If you believe that under that analogy Crouch would have remained silent, then it follows that you suggest alternatively that Lowe would have allowed Crouch to have the club for the good of the club which would have died if split between them in accordance with the Solomon analogy. That in itself is flawed, as the club was more likely to prosper under those circumstances.

 

We are in this position precisely because of the petty bickering and egotistical posturing of those who have fought to control us and to suggest that Crouch is more guilty than Lowe in all this is disingenous in the extreme. Try and get a bit more balance and perspective if you wish to quote the wisdom of Solomon.

Edited 16 April, 2009 by Wes Tender
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