sotonjoe Posted 10 April, 2009 Posted 10 April, 2009 next season, how much ( little?) must they be? Assuming we still have a club of course, how much are you willing to pay for a season ticket next season?
Nineteen Canteen Posted 10 April, 2009 Posted 10 April, 2009 next season, how much ( little?) must they be? Assuming we still have a club of course, how much are you willing to pay for a season ticket next season? With the right structure in place I would be willing to pay what I paid during the early bird deals in March over the past 2 seasons but we are talking the Rolls Royce of solutions. At the moment though with so many unknowns it's impossible to make a more reasoned assessment. If we are taken over by SOS as the last line of defence I wouldn't buy a ST because it would be probably worthless by January 2010.
Amesbury Saint Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 I am planning to buy one. First time in 3 years. New start, new leadership, many new players
Footballfan Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 If we go down I will expect to pay less, but I will still renew our 3 tickets anyway.
Didcot Saint Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 I would pay what i paid this season. If it helps the club rise again then all the better. I am renewing along with my brother and two best mates even though we will be in League 1.
RussyB Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 What ever it takes to kepp this great club alive, simples
Saints Warrior Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 £200 to £245, club needs to be realistic. There are hardly any shoppers in the town centers and retail is in collapse, people dont have the money to waste on expensive entertainment. Saints need the next generation of fans to keep returning even if in Div 2. The days of £8-15K wages has to stop at Saints as fans see this as just taking the P...
Daren W Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 (edited) £200 to £245, club needs to be realistic. There are hardly any shoppers in the town centers and retail is in collapse, people dont have the money to waste on expensive entertainment. Saints need the next generation of fans to keep returning even if in Div 2. The days of £8-15K wages has to stop at Saints as fans see this as just taking the P... Manny, I'd say that if no buyer could be found then how about a £500 season ticket with £250 going to part onwership of the club? £250 should be the maximum in terms of paying for what we're going to be watching ie League One football. Edited 11 April, 2009 by Daren W Slip of the keyboard and a 3 intead of a £!
Delmary Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 What ever it takes to kepp this great club alive, simplesMe too.
Wes Tender Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 I have pledged to renew the STs of me and my son now that Lowe has gone. If he returns in any way, shape or form, or if any of the Charlatans are involved in any way, all bets are off and I will now renew. But apart from that, I will renew, regardless of what division we are in.
stevegrant Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 If we are taken over by SOS as the last line of defence I wouldn't buy a ST because it would be probably worthless by January 2010. So let me get this straight, you have a go at all those who have refused to attend when they disagreed with the way the club was being run by Lowe, and then say that if someone comes in who you disagree with, you'd do the same? :confused: Nothing like a bout of hypocrisy to start the day...
FarehamRed Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 I am planning to buy one. First time in 3 years. New start, new leadership, many new players Same here, as long as "he-who-must-not-be-named" does not return. I think about £300 - £350 is about right.
Tamesaint Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 If we are taken over by SOS as the last line of defence I wouldn't buy a ST .... More proof that you are not a true Saints fan. Admit it. You are a phoney.
Daren W Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 So let me get this straight, you have a go at all those who have refused to attend when they disagreed with the way the club was being run by Lowe, and then say that if someone comes in who you disagree with, you'd do the same? :confused: Nothing like a bout of hypocrisy to start the day... ouch... Now that's embarrassing.... lol
benjii Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 A match ticket will be about £18 - £20 I would have thought. IMO if you buy a season ticket, you should expect to be paying about £14 or £15 per match on that basis. 15x£23 = £345. On top of that there should probably be some recognition that the fans have had to put up with a lot of **** over the past few years. If we have a points deduction there should also be some further incentive to come along. Therefore, I think prices ranging from about £280 - £340 are fair and realistic. Of course, much will depend on the models of whoever is in charge.
these things take time Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 So let me get this straight, you have a go at all those who have refused to attend when they disagreed with the way the club was being run by Lowe, and then say that if someone comes in who you disagree with, you'd do the same? :confused: Nothing like a bout of hypocrisy to start the day... Nowhere in his post does he say that he wouldn't attend matches, only that he would not buy a season ticket. This and it would be worthless by January, suggests that he does not believe should SOS take over they would be able to run the club successfully. Which imo is a valid point, as although it is done with the best of intentions, fans running the club would clearly be a disaster.
Amesbury Saint Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 A match ticket will be about £18 - £20 I would have thought. IMO if you buy a season ticket, you should expect to be paying about £14 or £15 per match on that basis. 15x£23 = £345. On top of that there should probably be some recognition that the fans have had to put up with a lot of **** over the past few years. If we have a points deduction there should also be some further incentive to come along. Therefore, I think prices ranging from about £280 - £340 are fair and realistic. Of course, much will depend on the models of whoever is in charge. I hope that the new owners recognise, that in year 1, it is best to sell as many ST as possible to ensure a near full SMS. If Norwich can sell 20,000 ST so should we be able to. Also it will make it easier to sell STs the year after. It would be wonderful if STs were £250 or less. They could leave match day tickets a lot higher.
St Marco Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 The ticket pricing will need to be at least 50% cheaper next year. We have a huge stadium (one of the top 100 in europe) and it will not be even half full next season if prices stay the same. We are in the depths of possibly the worst recession in living memory. Companies going under, people losing their jobs and so on. Southampton FC is not a charity, the money does not go to help starving kids etc. It makes people very very rich. Judging the players,managers and pretty much everyone connected to the club over this season makes me angry to see people getting paid the vast fortunes they are for practically nothing. Next season we will be most likely in league 1. Probably with a massive points deduction. If the club comes out saying you must pay £22-£30 to watch Yeovil,Carlisle,Hereford,Orient etc etc then we can expect a near empty Stadium. Season tickets for league 1 teams are varied but you got Northampton with £250, Hartlepool with £276, Leicester with £289 etc etc. The average attendence in league one is around 5000. Whoever takes over our club needs to not make the same mistakes the previous board made with pricing this season. In the attendence table this season we sit 2nd to bottom even though we have the 3rd biggest stadium in the CCC. If they repeat the same prices for next season with a worse squad and a points deduction it will not make for good reading. I will buy a season ticket no matter what, im fortunate enough to be on a sound financial footing. But it would be nice to see my friends return with me for next season. Something i know they will not do if asked to pay anywhere near the same amount.
benjii Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 (edited) The ticket pricing will need to be at least 50% cheaper next year. We have a huge stadium (one of the top 100 in europe) and it will not be even half full next season if prices stay the same. We are in the depths of possibly the worst recession in living memory. Companies going under, people losing their jobs and so on. Southampton FC is not a charity, the money does not go to help starving kids etc. It makes people very very rich. Judging the players,managers and pretty much everyone connected to the club over this season makes me angry to see people getting paid the vast fortunes they are for practically nothing. Next season we will be most likely in league 1. Probably with a massive points deduction. If the club comes out saying you must pay £22-£30 to watch Yeovil,Carlisle,Hereford,Orient etc etc then we can expect a near empty Stadium. Season tickets for league 1 teams are varied but you got Northampton with £250, Hartlepool with £276, Leicester with £289 etc etc. The average attendence in league one is around 5000. Whoever takes over our club needs to not make the same mistakes the previous board made with pricing this season. In the attendence table this season we sit 2nd to bottom even though we have the 3rd biggest stadium in the CCC. If they repeat the same prices for next season with a worse squad and a points deduction it will not make for good reading. I will buy a season ticket no matter what, im fortunate enough to be on a sound financial footing. But it would be nice to see my friends return with me for next season. Something i know they will not do if asked to pay anywhere near the same amount. Really? You're referring to attendance as a %age of capcity right? In which case, the "even though" bit is a strange thing to say as it is precisely the reason why the attendance:capacity ratio is low. In terms of average attendance we are comfortably mid-table in the Chamiponship this season. Edited 11 April, 2009 by benjii
St Marco Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 Really? You're referring to attendance as a %age of capcity right? In which case, the "even though" bit is a strange thing to say as it is precisely the reason why the attendance:capacity ratio is low. In terms of average attendance we are comfortably mid-table in the Chamiponship this season. No attendence in terms of % of the stadium that is used. Our average attendence is 52.9% which puts us 2nd to bottom http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/D1/attend.html If you want to say attendence in terms of people at each game then we would be 12th. But that is not a good indicator due to the fact teams such as Blackpool are last on the list even though they sell out 82% of their stadium for every game. It is not a case of who has the biggest stadium wins, it is a case of how much % of your stadium you can fill with people. And you can't say "It is because we are in a relegation battle blah blah" because Norwich have an average of 24k every game and they have a 26k capacity stadium. How do Norwich get a 94% full stadium for every game? Because they have cheaper tickets. £350 for a season ticket for adults and £150 if your under 21. Thus proving cheaper tickets = more people in the stadium. But of course more people in the stadium does not = success.
benjii Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 No attendence in terms of % of the stadium that is used. Our average attendence is 52.9% which puts us 2nd to bottom http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/D1/attend.html If you want to say attendence in terms of people at each game then we would be 12th. But that is not a good indicator due to the fact teams such as Blackpool are last on the list even though they sell out 82% of their stadium for every game. It is not a case of who has the biggest stadium wins, it is a case of how much % of your stadium you can fill with people. And you can't say "It is because we are in a relegation battle blah blah" because Norwich have an average of 24k every game and they have a 26k capacity stadium. How do Norwich get a 94% full stadium for every game? Because they have cheaper tickets. £350 for a season ticket for adults and £150 if your under 21. Thus proving cheaper tickets = more people in the stadium. But of course more people in the stadium does not = success. I'e never seen the point of that statistic though. It may be an interesting distraction but is pointless. You don't get any bonus points for having sold out. From a purely commercial view, a sell-out may in fact suggest that your pricing is too low. Losing 5% through the gate but charging the remaining folk 10% more is better for the club. I'm not advocating high prices, I just don't see any point at all in the attendance as a %age of turnover statistic as stadium capacity is not easily altered, nor is it subject to fluctuations, whereas attendance clearly is. Hitting a figure of 100% is not desirable. If you're hitting 100% week in week out, you should be seeking to enlarge your ground or raise prices.
stevegrant Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 Nowhere in his post does he say that he wouldn't attend matches, only that he would not buy a season ticket. This and it would be worthless by January, suggests that he does not believe should SOS take over they would be able to run the club successfully. Which imo is a valid point, as although it is done with the best of intentions, fans running the club would clearly be a disaster. As far as I'm aware, fans wouldn't "run" the club - they would simply own it and employ a CEO/chairman/whatever to run the club as he/she sees fit.
St Marco Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 I'e never seen the point of that statistic though. It may be an interesting distraction but is pointless. You don't get any bonus points for having sold out. From a purely commercial view, a sell-out may in fact suggest that your pricing is too low. Losing 5% through the gate but charging the remaining folk 10% more is better for the club. I'm not advocating high prices, I just don't see any point at all in the attendance as a %age of turnover statistic as stadium capacity is not easily altered, nor is it subject to fluctuations, whereas attendance clearly is. Hitting a figure of 100% is not desirable. If you're hitting 100% week in week out, you should be seeking to enlarge your ground or raise prices. We'll its simple maths really. Norwich have over 20k season tickets. So say we take that number and times by the £350 means they get £7m a season minimum from just season ticket sales. Then we have supposedly 7000 season tickets sold at say £500 (i know they are more but lets just say that) means they get £3.5m a season minimum from season tickets. Now you don't need to be too clever to work out something is not quite right there. If we addopted Norwich's approach and say sold them for £350 in this league and maintained our season tickets sold of 14k from last season would of meant we would of made £5m minimum from season ticket sales this year. Of course if tickets were that price we probably would of sold more then the 14k we had last year and more then the 7k we had this season. Say we matched Norwich and sold 20k season tickets (would still leave at least 12k seats for away and people buying on the day, 37% of the stadium) would of meant at least £7m a season to our club. If we had that i doubt we would be in the situation we are right now. If we could of made £7m a year from just selling out 63% of the stadium we could of made more with the other 37%. So as i said before. If we go into league 1 expecting to keep the same ticket prices or anywhere near it then i fully expect that 7000 season ticket holders to drop to somewhere like 4k. Meaning i would expect our average in league 1 to be under 10k a game. That would put us about 3rd or 4th for the highest average attendence in league one. So say they do sell 4k season tickets at £500 means they would make about £2m from season ticket sales. Makes far more business sense to make the tickets cheaper and have more people buy season tickets. More full stadium = more money. This is why we are in administration. People thought fans would pay whatever they asked to watch the team play regardless. To repeat the same mistake again in league 1 would be sheer stupidity. But with new people coming in i doubt very much they will be of the same business mind as Lowe and Wilde.
Amesbury Saint Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 Makes far more business sense to make the tickets cheaper and have more people buy season tickets. More full stadium = more money. This is why we are in administration. People thought fans would pay whatever they asked to watch the team play regardless. To repeat the same mistake again in league 1 would be sheer stupidity. . It actually makes sense to have ST cheap and leave purchasing on the day comparatively expensive. If we do well = more purchases on the day = more money
St Marco Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 It actually makes sense to have ST cheap and leave purchasing on the day comparatively expensive. If we do well = more purchases on the day = more money We'll that is just a gamble really. The Norwich approach means a guranteed lump sum of minimum of £7m a season. If you rely on the walk ins to pay xyz then your not guranteed anything and various things can influence your income. I think this season is a fine example of that. If we have say 5k who walk in each game and pay £25 to see the game means you make £125k a game. So if you times that by 23 games = £2.8m made from the walk ins. If you add that to the £3.5m from season tickets means £6.3m. That is for everything. That is the maximum you could make. As i mentioned before if you sold 20k season tickets at £350 you make £7m and then still have 12k more seats to sell. So then say you sell 5k walk ins at £25 a game would mean an additional £2.8m on top of the £7m giving a total of £9.3m a year in ticket sales alone. Obviously if we had that type of income we would be doing a lot better then we are! But as i said it is a gamble to rely on the walk ins. Without the various deals we have had this season on tickets (especially near to the end of the season) then our average would of been miles lower then what it is. The worrying thing is that even at £15 a ticket we still only sold 26k tickets.
Rooster Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 Makes no odds to our normal crowd-we where not renewing with lowe at the helm but now hes ****ed off we shall be there next season no matter what! yoouuuuu reddddssss
Toomer Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 Talking to a group of Charlton fans on the walk to the ground last week and the price next season for ST at the Valley is £300.00 for league 1, sounds about right to me.
latter day saint Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 considering the financial difficulties a lot of fans are facing at this time,the outlay for a season ticket may be beyond a lot of them no matter if it is lower next season or not. couldn't the club look into making it possible to pay monthly,say by direct debt? they could charge a premium over people who pay up front to make it fair? this would interest me and a lot of other fans i know.
Saints foreva Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 I currently pay £150 for a junior season ticket but I will be 17 in July meaning that this will increase. I highly doubt I will pay anymore than £200.
teamsaint Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 truth is they will be lucky to get in £4m in ST Sales , so if they have any sort of sense they will slash the prices and do everything they can to sell the best part of 20K STs. If the price in very low, people won't mind missing a few games.I am convinced that with some decent PR and new owners we can sell 15K +, but the price will have to start below £300.
Nineteen Canteen Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 So let me get this straight, you have a go at all those who have refused to attend when they disagreed with the way the club was being run by Lowe, and then say that if someone comes in who you disagree with, you'd do the same? :confused: Nothing like a bout of hypocrisy to start the day... Point is Steve if SOS takeover Saints I don't think I will get to watch more than 12 games before we go bust for the second and final time so the cost of Season Ticket would hardly constitute value. I didn't say I wouldn't buy a ticket on a match by match basis. Of course the real Hyprocisy lies with those who are supporting this last line of defence when there is a high degree of probability they did stay away under Lowe. Also I remain unsure why the SOS can't link with the Saints Trust and at least learn form the pitfalls of setting up a fan's group and use the Trust's contacts? Do you know if they are linked and if not why not?
um pahars Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 Point is Steve if SOS takeover Saints I don't think I will get to watch more than 12 games before we go bust for the second and final time so the cost of Season Ticket would hardly constitute value. I didn't say I wouldn't buy a ticket on a match by match basis. Of course the real Hyprocisy lies with those who are supporting this last line of defence when there is a high degree of probability they did stay away under Lowe. Also I remain unsure why the SOS can't link with the Saints Trust and at least learn form the pitfalls of setting up a fan's group and use the Trust's contacts? Do you know if they are linked and if not why not? And tonight we have the polite Nineteen Canteen Mk VI. I wonder how many of your other guises will make an appearance tonight??? I'm going for Flashman Mk II. The Bear (original version), the odd Sundance Mk II & Mk III, ending with Nineteen Mk I.
Tamesaint Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 Point is Steve if SOS takeover Saints I don't think I will get to watch more than 12 games before we go bust for the second and final time so the cost of Season Ticket would hardly constitute value. I didn't say I wouldn't buy a ticket on a match by match basis. Of course the real Hyprocisy lies with those who are supporting this last line of defence when there is a high degree of probability they did stay away under Lowe. Also I remain unsure why the SOS can't link with the Saints Trust and at least learn form the pitfalls of setting up a fan's group and use the Trust's contacts? Do you know if they are linked and if not why not? What a feeble excuse. For a man who supposedly loves the club you seem remarkably reluctant to do anything to save it. You remind me so much of Lowe whio has not yet got round to donating anything to saveoursaints.
SaintJc Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 considering the financial difficulties a lot of fans are facing at this time,the outlay for a season ticket may be beyond a lot of them no matter if it is lower next season or not. couldn't the club look into making it possible to pay monthly,say by direct debt? they could charge a premium over people who pay up front to make it fair? this would interest me and a lot of other fans i know. You can already pay monthly by direct debit.
Papa Shango Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 They should be no more than they are at the moment. I don't agree with this ******** about paying double or anything like that.
rocknrollman no2 Posted 11 April, 2009 Posted 11 April, 2009 For League one football i dont expect to pay more than £250 to watch Saints.
teamsaint Posted 12 April, 2009 Posted 12 April, 2009 I think MK Dons have it about right. http://www.mkdons.com/staticFiles/9c/31/0,,10420~143772,00.pdf
Barry Horne Posted 12 April, 2009 Posted 12 April, 2009 I think MK Dons have it about right. http://www.mkdons.com/staticFiles/9c/31/0,,10420~143772,00.pdf Seems very reasonable. Free tickets for under 7s and then having age/price brackets for other sections of the ground is a good idea IMO. It means families can afford to go to games together, which is important to a lot of people.
Neil Posted 12 April, 2009 Posted 12 April, 2009 Seems very reasonable. Free tickets for under 7s and then having age/price brackets for other sections of the ground is a good idea IMO. It means families can afford to go to games together, which is important to a lot of people. Looks like a very good model for us next season, they've also got a lot of seats to fill up so can be a bit more reasonable with pricing.
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