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norwaysaint

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You're wrong. A few on here who IMO are dreamers may well support him .

 

Wow, there will always be a few pessimists won't there? This isn't Shearer we're talking about, this is Tommy Widdrington. I wouldn't say he is out of our reach. Saints haven't sunk so low that we can only dream the likes of him will come. His passion for Saints would bring him here.

 

Just think if the Leicester board hadn't gone for Pearson because they had been called "dreamers", where might they be now? Sometimes you just have to reach for the stars.

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Wow, there will always be a few pessimists won't there? This isn't Shearer we're talking about, this is Tommy Widdrington. I wouldn't say he is out of our reach. Saints haven't sunk so low that we can only dream the likes of him will come. His passion for Saints would bring him here.

 

Just think if the Leicester board hadn't gone for Pearson because they had been called "dreamers", where might they be now? Sometimes you just have to reach for the stars.

 

Leicester board? you mean Milan Mandaric, not usually much democracy when Milan's involved.

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Wow, there will always be a few pessimists won't there? This isn't Shearer we're talking about, this is Tommy Widdrington. I wouldn't say he is out of our reach. Saints haven't sunk so low that we can only dream the likes of him will come. His passion for Saints would bring him here.

 

Just think if the Leicester board hadn't gone for Pearson because they had been called "dreamers", where might they be now? Sometimes you just have to reach for the stars.

 

 

Nice try, but I think the wind up has pretty much run its course.

 

Tommy Widdrington, oh yes, oh my aching sides.

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saintwarwick

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Just like Alan Shearer at Newcastle :rolleyes: As for Tommy Widdrington, that is just pure speculation and IYO.

 

Paul Ince would be a great shout but sadly we could not afford him. Hopefully should we find a buyer for the club then someone like Ince should be top of the wanted list.

 

If Tommy is that good why are Salisbury languishing mid table of the conference? Would you have him over Paul Ince? To me promoting Tommy Widdrington several leagues with limited experience is a big a gamble as promoting Dave Armstrong to the role. Either would be a huge gamble and that is why we should promote someone with real experience and not sentiments.

 

No it's not fact just pure speculation. We need someone with experience that is fact.

 

Yes I can because you cannot say what hasn't happened. You THINK he maybe could do a job for us but it is not fact that he will be successful, more a personal opinion on your part. I see you refrained from replying to my earlier post above, want to give it a go now?

 

I have nothing against TW but their is nothing to suggest he can make the grade several leagues higher unless you can prove otherwise. Sentiments don't come into it I'm afraid.

 

Didn't ever mention that in my post so I don't know where you got the agreement from, however someone like Ince could be the right man for the job, he has afterall a bit of experience don't you agree?

 

Please read back on my posts as I have NEVER mentioned that TW would be a good choice, I have said on several occasions that he would not be an ideal choice as we need someone with experience and Ince was the man I hinted at. He has far more experience than TW, he joined Macclesfield Town when they were 7 points adrift of the rest in league two but saved them from relegation, he then joined MK Dons the following season and won the football league trophy plus promotion as champions of league two. That is far more experience than TW don't you agree?

 

I removed my name from your list as I am not a fan of TW as our manager and have never claimed him to be.

 

You could say that about Branfoot but would you want him back :confused:

 

blimey warwick, you change your mind more often than Kevin Keegan

 

Just for you Atticus, a list of my posts on this subject, please read through them carefully and you will find I have not changed my mind one iota :D

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Dalek2003

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Just for you Atticus, a list of my posts on this subject, please read through them carefully and you will find I have not changed my mind one iota :D

 

Saintwarwick, you have a serious problem if you are obsessed by one topic. Get it sorted mate !

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um pahars

um pahars

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As mental as an obsession might be' date=' we can ask a general question: Had Hoddle returned after the departue of Strachan in 2004, would we have been better off than with Sturrock/Wigley/Redknapp = relegation.... so come on be honest, Hoddle or Wigley?[/quote']

 

And the obvious answer would be Hoddle, as Wigley is on a par with Poortvliet.

 

BUT That was not the choice we faced, and nor would it have been our only option either. A rather ludicrous and totally irrelevant question.

 

I think the problem many have with Hoddle is less to do with his attruibutes as a coach' date=' even less to do with his departure for Spurs (although a convenient excuse) and more to do with his link to Lowe. [/quote']

 

Lowe's stock was pretty good when he was considering bringing Hoddle back in, and if you think the problem many had was due to his "link with Lowe" then you either have a very poor memory or you're not very perceptive.

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Kadeem Hardison

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It is the same all the time on this board - if people don't agree with someone's views then they try to neatly compartmentalise that person and label them as something with a pejorative tone - Lowe Luvvie, Lunatic Fringe, WUM, etc.

 

Trying to undermine the overhwhelming groundswell of support for Widdrington is poor form. The fact is that it is the majority of people on this thread have shown their support for Widdrington and BACKED THIS UP with GOOD REASON that, IMO, is irrefutable.

 

If you don't like the fact that Widdrington is the popular and CORRECT choice, then give a valid reason why. I'm yet to see one.

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RedFear

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I would hope for a more proven sought after candidate

 

absolutely, tommy ticks all the boxes

 

i thought my mate was joking when he said tommy had been linked. now i see it has legs and am already excited for next season

 

who would have thought, an experienced, no nonsense, proven manager with almost unanimous support amongst the fans. with Widd's there is NO WAY we can fail

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solentstars

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As mental as an obsession might be, we can ask a general question: Had Hoddle returned after the departue of Strachan in 2004, would we have been better off than with Sturrock/Wigley/Redknapp = relegation.... so come on be honest, Hoddle or Wigley?

 

I think the problem many have with Hoddle is less to do with his attruibutes as a coach, even less to do with his departure for Spurs (although a convenient excuse) and more to do with his link to Lowe.

i think we would not ended up being relegated if hoddle was reappointed but i don,t think the link with lowe had anything to do with it.

but thats history now we ended up with sturrock, leading to the mismangement we had ever since at the club.

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absolutely, tommy ticks all the boxes

 

i thought my mate was joking when he said tommy had been linked. now i see it has legs and am already excited for next season

 

who would have thought, an experienced, no nonsense, proven manager with almost unanimous support amongst the fans. with Widd's there is NO WAY we can fail

 

lol

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When I first started reading this thread, I though David Armstrong may be a good idea. However the more I have read of it, combined with the weight of popular opinion, the more I see Tommy Widdrington as the man to see us forward. We have been crying out for a true leader who bleeds red and white blood cells, and to have a man who has also not only got a proven track record but done so locally is invaluable. We simply must not let another one slip through our fingers - Brian Howard anybody.

 

My only hope is that whoever decides to buy us in the next few weeks sees the obvious choice in front of him as we all have.

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dubai_phil

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Lol

 

So here we are, all but extinct, hoping that from somewhere a bunch of brave people will stump up some 10 million quid or so on a punt to turn this club around....

 

And these people who will invest this sum of money will pop up and appoint somebody that 1) has never been heard of outside of Hampshire & South Wiltshire 2) has no experience of running a "bigger club"

 

If we get bought, the new manager will not be the equivalent of a Football League YTS trainee. That was Ruperts' big idea, we know how that worked every time...

 

Of course, if a group with the fiscal equivalent of 75p pick us up and let the other assets fall off to council/developers etc, then TW would be far too expensive

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Frank's cousin

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And the obvious answer would be Hoddle, as Wigley is on a par with Poortvliet.

 

BUT That was not the choice we faced, and nor would it have been our only option either. A rather ludicrous and totally irrelevant question.

 

 

 

Lowe's stock was pretty good when he was considering bringing Hoddle back in, and if you think the problem many had was due to his "link with Lowe" then you either have a very poor memory or you're not very perceptive.

 

Back to your obsessions UP? Now asking provocative questions becomes 'irrelevent' in your mind, or challenging the fact that getting all worked up because someone left the club (How dare they) might be an over the top reaction? - even if it is the majority - 'negative' passion and baring grudges is one of the saddest and frankly most juvenile of fan attributes - too many would rather cut off noses to spite faces. Lowes stock was 'pretty good' ? - no, just ignored as we were doing better. ad he been responsible for bringing back the 'Judas' it would certainly have been crap again....

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um pahars

um pahars

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Back to your obsessions UP? Now asking provocative questions becomes 'irrelevent' in your mind' date=' or challenging the fact that getting all worked up because someone left the club (How dare they) might be an over the top reaction? [/quote']

 

Not really Frank, just repeating what someone else said (C B Fry I think, unless he's obsessive as well) in that the question was totally irrelevant as another manager and 6 months passed before we were landed with Wigley.

 

Had you suggested Sturrock or Hoddle, then it might have been a more meaningful comparison and question, but the idea of comparing Hoddle with our worst manager ever (if Portvliet doesn't get that award) who popped up 6 months later was totally irrelevant.

 

And as for your last line, are you changing your mind???? as I thought you were suggesting people were against Hoddle due to his links with Lowe, and not the the manner of his leaving the first time around.

 

Lowes stock was 'pretty good' ? - no' date=' just ignored as we were doing better. ad he been responsible for bringing back the 'Judas' it would certainly have been crap again.... [/quote']

 

You really need to move away from this Lowe persecution complex, Frank. Lowe was applauded and rewarded when things went well. At the time of WGS going, his stock was still pretty good so to suggest Hoddle's links with Lowe is why supporters were opposed to him is fanciful (although you now appear to have changed your mind on that one LOL).

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Frank's cousin

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Not really Frank, just repeating what someone else said (C B Fry I think, unless he's obsessive as well) in that the question was totally irrelevant as another manager and 6 months passed before we were landed with Wigley.

 

Had you suggested Sturrock or Hoddle, then it might have been a more meaningful comparison and question, but the idea of comparing Hoddle with our worst manager ever (if Portvliet doesn't get that award) who popped up 6 months later was totally irrelevant.

 

And as for your last line, are you changing your mind???? as I thought you were suggesting people were against Hoddle due to his links with Lowe, and not the the manner of his leaving the first time around.

 

 

 

You really need to move away from this Lowe persecution complex, Frank. Lowe was applauded and rewarded when things went well. At the time of WGS going, his stock was still pretty good so to suggest Hoddle's links with Lowe is why supporters were opposed to him is fanciful (although you now appear to have changed your mind on that one LOL).

 

Very droll.... The point about Wigley IS relevent because he would never have had the job had fans not reacted so bitterly and to be honest rather childishly - Hoddle has never been a favourite of mine, cant stand the guy really with all his 'beliefs' but he would at the time have been a far better choice had fans not over reacted. Some reacted because he was a Judas and some because of his Lowe links - not every fan is the same you know....

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um pahars

um pahars

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Very droll.... The point about Wigley IS relevent because he would never have had the job had fans not reacted so bitterly and to be honest rather childishly -

 

And nor would he had the job if Branfoot hadn't got the boot, if Sturrock hadn't spilled that tomato ketchup or if that butterfly hadn't fluttered it's wings over in Venezuela!!!

 

To try and make out we got Wigley because we never got Hoddle 6 months early really is stretching the imagination and is rather Dalekesque in its logic.

 

Hoddle has never been a favourite of mine' date=' cant stand the guy really with all his 'beliefs' but he would at the time have been a far better choice had fans not over reacted. Some reacted because he was a Judas and some because of his Lowe links - not every fan is the same you know.... [/quote']

 

And I'm sure some may have been against him due to his dodgy barnet and maybe even because he didn't release a follow up to Diamond Lights, but your initial claim was that the problem "was more due to his link with Lowe", which in most people's eyes is/was just not the case at all. You go on about people being obsessed with Lowe, when you display almost the exactly same traits with regards people's mythical persecution of Lowe.

 

Although of course you now appear to be conceeding that it was due to Hoddle's own actions and the fans perceptions of them - be they right or wrong, which is another debate - as opposed to his links wth Lowe, so at least thats progress.

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St_Tel49

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If memory serves, Merrington was only allowed to sign Venison during the season. I like him, he comes across as a bit of a doddery Grandad at times on Solent (I could never forget his hopeless attempts to pronounce Kosowski's name), but he knows his stuff. He has said many a time this season we wasted money on a reserve keeper when we could have gone in for Sam Vokes.

 

Merrington may have only kept us up by a single goal but that was more than Redknapp did with a far better squad.

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ottery st mary

ottery st mary

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A rumour has just started that Francis Benali is a dead cert for a top job at St Marys next season.

 

The best that Armstrong and Widdrington are likely to get is Managing the Reserves or Yuuuf until they prove themselves....Franny has proved his skills in the hospitality lounges

and is ready to move onto bigger and better things.

 

Maybe these two aspiring football experts could start in the lounges and show their love for the club free of charge to help the cause and work their way up through the Empire that is Southampton Football club.

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Very droll.... The point about Wigley IS relevent because he would never have had the job had fans not reacted so bitterly and to be honest rather childishly - Hoddle has never been a favourite of mine' date=' cant stand the guy really with all his 'beliefs' but he would at the time have been a far better choice had fans not over reacted. Some reacted because he was a Judas and some because of his Lowe links - not every fan is the same you know....[/quote']

 

Not it is NOT relevant - the supporters did not say 'we don't want Hoddle - we want Wigley'.

 

I did not want Hoddle, not because I considered him a Judas, but because I felt we could do better, that Hoddle was yesterday's man, that his man-management was poor, because I couldn't stand his droning interviews.

 

Lowe went for Wigley, possibly in a sulk - so don't blame us.

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miserableoldgit

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I am probably being naive and missing the joke, but this Tommy Widdrington stuff is a wind up,right? It has to be because I can`t believe that anyone would want, as our manager, a very average former player with no managerial experience at a decent level to lead us out of our current problems, because "he bleeds red and white" is ridiculous. I suspect that MLT "bleeds red and white" more than most, and I can`t see him making a good manager for us either. Haven`t we learnt lessons with inexperienced managers (Grey, Wigley, Poortvliet etc)?:confused:

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Atticus Finch of Maycomb

Atticus Finch of Maycomb

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I am probably being naive and missing the joke, but this Tommy Widdrington stuff is a wind up,right? It has to be because I can`t believe that anyone would want, as our manager, a very average former player with no managerial experience at a decent level to lead us out of our current problems, because "he bleeds red and white" is ridiculous. I suspect that MLT "bleeds red and white" more than most, and I can`t see him making a good manager for us either. Haven`t we learnt lessons with inexperienced managers (Grey, Wigley, Poortvliet etc)?:confused:

 

That would be a mistake, IMHO. Tissier was an excellent player for us, but he doesn't have the necessary experience and his reputation risks being tarnished by a failed stint at manager. I fear that is what will happen to Shearer at Newcastle. Just because he was a good player doesn't mean he will be a good enough manager for us.

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NickG

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Yep Widdrington bleeds red and white 'Ho way the saints'

 

he played for us nearly as many times as he did Grimbsy or Port Vale, infact we were less than 20% of his playing career! (less than Rudi has - who also bleeds red and white)

 

I am sure he is a great bloke, and maybe could be a good manager at a higher level but remember how some people moaned when we went as low as a manager like Sturrock - let along a coach from non-league just because he played a handful of games for us.

 

No, its Ivan Golac for me.

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NickG

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look, i think widderington would be excellent for this club. i want him here, i swear on my own mother's life. if you have a problem with that, fine. but its my opinion.

 

has no-one else noticed that Atticus Finch of Maycomb is an anagram of "I am Tommy Widdrington and I want a better job"

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That would be a mistake, IMHO. Tissier was an excellent player for us, but he doesn't have the necessary experience and his reputation risks being tarnished by a failed stint at manager. I fear that is what will happen to Shearer at Newcastle. Just because he was a good player doesn't mean he will be a good enough manager for us.

 

and your, sorry Tommy's management experience was.....

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Widdrington, is the guy whose behaviour on a pre- season trip for Salisbury, caused

Pete Yendall the main benefactor to pull out of the club.[ He recently returned till end of season]. Anyway I assume all you fans on here putting his name forward still think it is

April 1st. The guy has achieved s.f.a to date and is unlikely to ever move much higher in

his career than he is now.

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Widdrington, is the guy whose behaviour on a pre- season trip for Salisbury, caused

Pete Yendall the main benefactor to pull out of the club.[ He recently returned till end of season]. Anyway I assume all you fans on here putting his name forward still think it is

April 1st. The guy has achieved s.f.a to date and is unlikely to ever move much higher in

his career than he is now.

 

Wow, another vote for Widdrington! I too think he can achieve for s.f.c. and this rumour really seems to be gathering speed.

 

Mods, should this thread not be re-named as I think we all know Armstrong isn't really in the running? Where-as Widdrington seems to be getting mentioned again and again.

 

No smoke without fire.

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RedFear

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It's obvious to everyone else Attic*nt is on a wind up.

 

Shut up you tedious unfunny c*nt

 

lol!! perhaps not as obvious as you first thought pap's (do you mind if i call you pap's?)

 

anyhow, its become clear who the favourite amongst the fans is. i just hope this supporter takeover happens so all our dreams become reality

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