David Armstrong...

[Dicko]

what we need is a manager with real potential who would get us out of L1 and could also be good enough to manage us in the Prem for years to come. What we dont want is someone who is good in the lower leagues but may not be good enough for CCC and Prem. This would just cause disruption again. A manager who would be happy to be here for 5-10 years building us up to a top club again.

IMO Paul Tisdale fits that bill. Ex-player who stayed for years without playing, indeed played less than 100 game sin his career. He has already achieved 4 promotions with Team Bath and Exeter and may get another this year. He only has 1 year left on his contract I think so would be relatively cheap to get. But hes probably the most important signing for the club.

We should also identify a "long-term" academy manager, and then send him to work with GeorgesProst if Lyon would allow it in order to gain his knowledge. Might be controversial, but maybe Wigley!

Whatever happens with the takeover, plans must be put in place to promote stability, and a structure that will drive the club forward.

In a way, this may just be the best thing for us, new owners, new start......

 

I was just thinking what excellent points you were making, and then you go & ruin it by suggesting Wigley takes over the academy

[offix]

L1 is even more about fitness, desire, and physical strength than this league is. All season we have lacked those traits. Armstrong seems to me to have the possibility of being the very stern taskmaster that could serve us very well in L1, especially when partnered with Merrington.

[eelpie]

Yes I think we are experiencing history - surely this is the worst Saints team of all time?

 

And as for choosing a player of the year, that's like asking people to nominate their favourite serial killer.

Give the trophy to the groundsman, he painted some nice white lines.

 

There is only one person who deserves the title of player of the year and that is of course Kelvin. Without him our goals against stats would be a cricket score.

[eelpie]

I was just thinking what excellent points you were making, and then you go & ruin it by suggesting Wigley takes over the academy

 

But that was the area he was good at. He was a good coach, but too nice a guy to be manager.

[saintwarwick]

If Tommy is that good why are Salisbury languishing mid table of the conference? Would you have him over Paul Ince? To me promoting Tommy Widdrington several leagues with limited experience is a big a gamble as promoting Dave Armstrong to the role. Either would be a huge gamble and that is why we should promote someone with real experience and not sentiments.

 

Can you prove it's not fact and while you're at it can you prove that us needing someone with experience is a fact.

 

What irritates me about this club is the way that we have clearly f*cked up in a big way and there is a clear and sensible way out of the situation, but we never seem to take the sensible and easy route. I hope that L1 football begins with us being taken over (not by billionaires, but people with a long term interest in the club) who appoint TW and build a strong, young team made up of local lads who will fight for the name. TW has experience in managing and knows the club.

 

 

Yes I can because you cannot say what hasn't happened. You THINK he maybe could do a job for us but it is not fact that he will be successful, more a personal opinion on your part. I see you refrained from replying to my earlier post above, want to give it a go now?

[Wiltshire Saint]

Yes I can because you cannot say what hasn't happened. You THINK he maybe could do a job for us but it is not fact that he will be successful, more a personal opinion on your part. I see you refrained from replying to my earlier post above, want to give it a go now?

 

And I notice that you cannot prove that "we need someone with experience" is a fact. Maybe you want to give it a go now? While you're at it can you explain this vendetta you have against TW?

[INFLUENCED.COM]

While you're at it can you explain this vendetta you have against TW?

 

Drama Queen.

[sadoldgit]

I was just thinking what excellent points you were making, and then you go & ruin it by suggesting Wigley takes over the academy

 

Wigley did a good job lower down the order, why not?

 

Makes more sense than brining in David Armstrong (as good a player as he was).

[Atticus Finch of Maycomb]

Yes I can because you cannot say what hasn't happened. You THINK he maybe could do a job for us but it is not fact that he will be successful, more a personal opinion on your part. I see you refrained from replying to my earlier post above, want to give it a go now?

 

warwick, widderington was a coach at salisbury not the manager. so you can hardly blame him for salisbury 'languishing' in midtable. besides, salisbury have financial problems (just like us).

 

see, you demonstrate an underlying problem. here we have a chance to bring someone in who knows and loves the club, and genuinely has the potential to be world class. but instead of getting behind it, you waste time splitting hairs over trivial issues.

 

i see someone else mentioned paul tisdale on this thread, another good shout. maybe a back up if we cant tempt widderington or if he goes to a bigger club

[MarkSFC]

I was just thinking what excellent points you were making, and then you go & ruin it by suggesting Wigley takes over the academy

 

Thanks..said it was controversial!! If he'd never been given the Managers job (sorry, Head Coach role) he may still be here doing a good job with the Academy!!!

[saintwarwick]

And I notice that you cannot prove that "we need someone with experience" is a fact. Maybe you want to give it a go now? While you're at it can you explain this vendetta you have against TW?

 

warwick, widderington was a coach at salisbury not the manager. so you can hardly blame him for salisbury 'languishing' in midtable. besides, salisbury have financial problems (just like us).

 

see, you demonstrate an underlying problem. here we have a chance to bring someone in who knows and loves the club, and genuinely has the potential to be world class. but instead of getting behind it, you waste time splitting hairs over trivial issues.

 

i see someone else mentioned paul tisdale on this thread, another good shout. maybe a back up if we cant tempt widderington or if he goes to a bigger club

 

I have nothing against TW but their is nothing to suggest he can make the grade several leagues higher unless you can prove otherwise. Sentiments don't come into it I'm afraid.

[Ponty]

warwick, widderington was a coach at salisbury not the manager. so you can hardly blame him for salisbury 'languishing' in midtable. besides, salisbury have financial problems (just like us).

 

see, you demonstrate an underlying problem. here we have a chance to bring someone in who knows and loves the club, and genuinely has the potential to be world class. but instead of getting behind it, you waste time splitting hairs over trivial issues.

 

i see someone else mentioned paul tisdale on this thread, another good shout. maybe a back up if we cant tempt widderington or if he goes to a bigger club

I like you and your enthusiasm AFoM but if you're going to champion a possible manager, as the best bet out there, at least spell his name right.

[chivvy1664]

What about Martin Allen or Dennis Wise? Both know the League

[saint lard]

What about Martin Allen or Dennis Wise? Both know the League

 

No,and er.....NO.

 

imo.

[Window Cleaner]

What about Martin Allen or Dennis Wise? Both know the League

 

Wise might be going to QPR if they can't get..err some Spanish bloke or Paul Ince.

[70's Mike]

Alan Knill at Bury

[Atticus Finch of Maycomb]

I have nothing against TW but their is nothing to suggest he can make the grade several leagues higher unless you can prove otherwise. Sentiments don't come into it I'm afraid.

 

so you agree that widderington is the right man for the job?

 

why didn't you just say that to begin with? :confused::confused:

[saintwarwick]

so you agree that widderington is the right man for the job?

 

why didn't you just say that to begin with? :confused::confused:

 

Didn't ever mention that in my post so I don't know where you got the agreement from, however someone like Ince could be the right man for the job, he has afterall a bit of experience don't you agree?

[sidthesquid]

what we need is a manager with real potential who would get us out of L1 and could also be good enough to manage us in the Prem for years to come. What we dont want is someone who is good in the lower leagues but may not be good enough for CCC and Prem. This would just cause disruption again. A manager who would be happy to be here for 5-10 years building us up to a top club again.

IMO Paul Tisdale fits that bill. Ex-player who stayed for years without playing, indeed played less than 100 game sin his career. He has already achieved 4 promotions with Team Bath and Exeter and may get another this year. He only has 1 year left on his contract I think so would be relatively cheap to get. But hes probably the most important signing for the club.

We should also identify a "long-term" academy manager, and then send him to work with GeorgesProst if Lyon would allow it in order to gain his knowledge. Might be controversial, but maybe Wigley!

Whatever happens with the takeover, plans must be put in place to promote stability, and a structure that will drive the club forward.

In a way, this may just be the best thing for us, new owners, new start......

 

He would get my vote - somebody is going to give him a big break in a minute, so why not us?

[david in sweden]

on the radio earlier said that he has applied for the Saints Manager job several times over the past 10 years. Apparently he has all the relevant coaching qualifications etc...

 

He also said if he and Merrington had been appointed at Christmas they would definitely have kept us up this year.

 

Now, clearly the second pargraph is pure conjecture but the gist of his interview does reinforce the painfully obvious point that there were numerous cheap alternatives available to Lowe and that appointing a bizare nobody under the apparent instruction of a mysterious "Mr Fixit" was not the only option.

 

Anyone who still thinks our league position has been dictated exclusively by the finances is just plain odd IMO.

 

 

Not a bad idea but does he have ANY experience coaching / managing ?

However, both of the named were 101% Saints when with us - why not.

Armstrong was outspoken, hard as nails and (obviously not Rupert Lowe's cup of tea) but could be a driving force..with a couple of younger trainers to help.

 

Merrington had the shi**y end of the stick the year he managed Saints, but without doubt was one of the the FINEST youth team coach we've ever had, and on a par with George Proust.

 

Merrington had; Shearer; Maddison,the (3) Wallaces, MLT, Banger, G. Baker, S. Baker, Dodd, Benali, Tankard, Maskell, Whitlock, Foyle and many more. Many saw first team action and others (like Foyle) who long League careers, though not all with Saints.

[Wiltshire Saint]

Is David Armstrong living in Sweden now? All those letters and phone calls of application over the years must have cost a bit.

[Atticus Finch of Maycomb]

Didn't ever mention that in my post so I don't know where you got the agreement from, however someone like Ince could be the right man for the job, he has afterall a bit of experience don't you agree?

 

from what you said it was a reasonable assumption that you were saying that widderington would be good choice (in your opinion)

 

ince has limited experience, not like widderington i think that tommy would be a better choice of the two, as do countless other people on this thread, as you have already seen

[CB Fry]

What is it with the affinity/passion for the club guff?

 

When does it work - which clubs have really suceeded with a manager with passion for the club/history/affinity etc etc?

 

You'll all trot out Keegan, and then what?

 

Funny how all the successful clubs in this division don't have a manager with any affinity to their club, and all the successful clubs in this top division don't either.

 

And two of our most successful managers had no affinity to us either - Lawrie and WGS weren't exactly destined to manage Saints were they?

 

Call me crazy bonkers, but how about just appointing a good manager?

[saintedwill]

In all this talk of Tommy Widdrington as our potential new manager, why not Nick Holmes?

 

After all, he is the man who's taken Salisbury through the leagues as their manager with Widdrington as coach and kept them in the BSP this season despite having to loan out all their best players to save on wages (sound familiar).

 

If you're talking about passion for Saints, knowledge of the lower leagues and success, then why not Holmes as manager with TW/Tisdale as his assistant?

[OldNick]

This is madness, TW being our manager, this has got to be a wind up. Add that to Armstrong making his play on Radio Hants. He couldnt inspire players as he cant even inspire me and I thought he was a wonderful player for us.

[Frank's cousin]

For the biggest problems and the reasons you se those clubs that have been in the prem for a long time struggle MOST when relegated out of it is two fold: 1) we have have prem players - or players who have no real loyalty to teh club, apart from prem wages who all bugger off, or are unaffordable so have to be shipped out - means developing a new squad - the bounce up and downers still in most cases have those players who came through teh ranks and got them promotion - on wages they can afford and who are generally more committed and passionate about the club - we have very few such players left now - it was for me perhaps the only reason why success has been more difficult at SMS than the Dell - SMS facilities meant we could finally attract prem players who might not have looked twice at us when seeing the dell - which meant we attracted players who actually wanted to wear the shirt - (NB this is prem times being talked about here)

 

As to ex players being managers - passion alone is never enough, and those names mentioned have either little or no experience - those calling for them should ask themselves what they woudl say if Lowe had appointed those names with NO experience?.... most can guess teh answer, but now hes gone and its not him making teh decisons, would it suddenly be OK to do as he did and appoint inexperience that had shown loyalty to the club?

 

The best managers are true professionals, able to instil passiona ndt committment wherever they work because its about creating a sence of unity and collective responsibilty, a desire to teh very best possible not just out of personal pride and professionlism, but acknowledging how privilaged they are to be able to do this for a living - especially difficult in this modern era where players struggle to keep their feet on teh ground with such excess. Add to that the ability to work with what you have - improve performance and communicate the tactics and you get a decent manager - ex playesr with 'hero status' baggae but little else are unlikely to get passed the first hurdle - it was no surprise that Cloughie faded badly, when the prem began, modern players not responding to old school backside kicking. 'Get in 'X' , he'd fire them up' or 'sort them out' is not going to get the response in these times that many believe...

[Give it to Ron]

This is madness, TW being our manager, this has got to be a wind up. Add that to Armstrong making his play on Radio Hants. He couldnt inspire players as he cant even inspire me and I thought he was a wonderful player for us.

 

Agreed Nick..we have had enough of the amateurs giving it a go like Wigley, Gray, Poortvliet, Dodd and that is one of the reasons we are in the mess we are.

Armstrong is a very good pundit and knows the game well..that does not make him a good manager. I was listening to him on the way home and he was calling it right IMO especially when they had the temp goalie....why were we taking outswinging corners? It should of been Surman or Skacel putting it under his chin with Size all over him.

Lets get the club saved first then decide if Wotte stays or not, personally we need someone that has experience of the Leagues we are going to play in not where we want to get to. Lets get a manager that can buy/loan in players that suit the division not namby pamby ones like Smith, Gasmi, Schneiderling.

Boothroyd and Pardew know these leagues well whether we can afford them or even Widdrington(no idea whwere this comes from) is still to be decided.

[OldNick]

Agreed Nick..we have had enough of the amateurs giving it a go like Wigley, Gray, Poortvliet, Dodd and that is one of the reasons we are in the mess we are.

Armstrong is a very good pundit and knows the game well..that does not make him a good manager. I was listening to him on the way home and he was calling it right IMO especially when they had the temp goalie....why were we taking outswinging corners? It should of been Surman or Skacel putting it under his chin with Size all over him.

Lets get the club saved first then decide if Wotte stays or not, personally we need someone that has experience of the Leagues we are going to play in not where we want to get to. Lets get a manager that can buy/loan in players that suit the division not namby pamby ones like Smith, Gasmi, Schneiderling.

Boothroyd and Pardew know these leagues well whether we can afford them or even Widdrington(no idea whwere this comes from) is still to be decided.

We didnt have the ball in the right areas to get the ball in and Lawrence had his arms around BWP so he couldnt move when we had the corner. Armstrong idea of playing 3 centre backs need quick full backs and athletic centre backs and so a ball down the channels would cause us all types of trouble. Sounds good on the radio but in practice not so easy.

[Give it to Ron]

We didnt have the ball in the right areas to get the ball in and Lawrence had his arms around BWP so he couldnt move when we had the corner. Armstrong idea of playing 3 centre backs need quick full backs and athletic centre backs and so a ball down the channels would cause us all types of trouble. Sounds good on the radio but in practice not so easy.

 

We would also need a quick wide man and wide mid fielders...which when you look at our side yesterday the only one with pace is Bradley who can't finish his dinner!

Lloyd, Skacel, Surman, Lallana, Wotton, Euell and to some extent McGoldrick are all one pace and cannot burst past defenders that has been our problem this season and only McLaggon briefly showed the way until getting injured.

I never count Dyer because the programme sellers took more of a battering than defenders.

As I said great pundit not so good manager.

[norwaysaint]

Just got back from Easter holiday in the mountains. It's a shame to see there's been no progress but it's really exciting to see the buzz on the board about two former Saints stars being linked to the job.

 

Although both could do a job, I'd certainly favour Widdrington over Armstrong with his experience. It's nice to see so many fans united on an issue for once. Surely Widdrington would be far cheaper than 2 Dutch coaches?

 

We let Pearson slip through our fingers, if we don't grab upcoming stars like Widdrington then somebody else will.

 

Look at Leicester and tell me I'm wrong.

[OldNick]

Just got back from Easter holiday in the mountains. It's a shame to see there's been no progress but it's really exciting to see the buzz on the board about two former Saints stars being linked to the job.

 

Although both could do a job, I'd certainly favour Widdrington over Armstrong with his experience. It's nice to see so many fans united on an issue for once. Surely Widdrington would be far cheaper than 2 Dutch coaches?

 

We let Pearson slip through our fingers, if we don't grab upcoming stars like Widdrington then somebody else will.

 

Look at Leicester and tell me I'm wrong.

You're wrong. A few on here who IMO are dreamers may well support him but I doubt that many would even consider him.I dont even think he has managed in the lower leaqgues has he? If so he hasnt made a name for himself. Holmes would be higher up the pecking order and that is not worth thinking about.

[Super_Uwe]

In all this talk of Tommy Widdrington as our potential new manager, why not Nick Holmes?

 

After all, he is the man who's taken Salisbury through the leagues as their manager with Widdrington as coach and kept them in the BSP this season despite having to loan out all their best players to save on wages (sound familiar).

 

If you're talking about passion for Saints, knowledge of the lower leagues and success, then why not Holmes as manager with TW/Tisdale as his assistant?

 

I agree 100%. Nick Holmes has learnt his trade over a long period of time in the lower leagues and would be a very good choice IMO. Whatever people might say about home-grown choices not being the solution, the fact of the matter is that over the past four years the heart and soul of our club has been virtually destroyed, and we need someone who can at least put a smile on our faces again.

 

As far as I am concerned management is the same the world over, the difference being that as you get higher up you have to deal with more egos as the wages increase. That is a very simplified view of it but as long as you can cope with this and are also tactically astute then there is no reason why someone like Holmes could not do it. That is obviously the key point here and so his credentials would need to be tested accordingly, but I would be delighted to see him in charge.

 

I think Paul Tisdale is on the verge of better things at Exeter and so I don't know if he would want to move on as an assistant boss here, but who knows?

[Atticus Finch of Maycomb]

You're wrong. A few on here who IMO are dreamers may well support him but I doubt that many would even consider him.I dont even think he has managed in the lower leaqgues has he? If so he hasnt made a name for himself. Holmes would be higher up the pecking order and that is not worth thinking about.

 

saintwarwick

Nadia Sllim

J Bizzle

VectisSaint

draganov

nickh

Delmary

Junction 9

Kadeem Hardison

Ian the Red

norwaysaint

saintedwill

Super_Uwe

 

hardly a few, tbf

[skintsaint]

would rather have someone like Robins at Rotherham

[CB Fry]

Just got back from Easter holiday in the mountains. It's a shame to see there's been no progress but it's really exciting to see the buzz on the board about two former Saints stars being linked to the job.

 

Although both could do a job, I'd certainly favour Widdrington over Armstrong with his experience. It's nice to see so many fans united on an issue for once. Surely Widdrington would be far cheaper than 2 Dutch coaches?

 

We let Pearson slip through our fingers, if we don't grab upcoming stars like Widdrington then somebody else will.

 

Look at Leicester and tell me I'm wrong.

 

How does Leicester's league position mean that Widdrington would be a success?

 

Tommy Widdrington is not an "upcoming star" of anything.

 

I'm not swallowing this anyway - this campaign is being run by the comedians on this forum, who generally make me laugh on here, so I know its all just a wind up anyway.

[ottery st mary]

I think you Widdrington fans better have a rethink...I am told he has accepted an offer from Timsbury and Michelmersh for next season. The offer from Ringwood was very close.

[Dalek2003]

If the vocal minority had paid attention to the growing groundswell of backing we had developed on here for Widdrington, we would have been able to use our voices (protests, chants, etc) to let the board now how we felt and could have had TW here after Burley.

 

If Widdrington was installed after Burley left, we wouldn't be in this position now. Fact.

 

We would probably have one eye on the Premiership by now, had Tommy been allowed to develop his team last season and this. THAT is what having a manager with passion for his club does.

 

If the vocal few had kept their mouths shut in 2003 we would have seen the appointment of Glenn Hoddle and would most likely be contemplating yet another season of unbroken premier football today !

[OldNick]

saintwarwick

Nadia Sllim

J Bizzle

VectisSaint

draganov

nickh

Delmary

Junction 9

Kadeem Hardison

Ian the Red

norwaysaint

saintedwill

Super_Uwe

 

hardly a few, tbf

i like your poll you aint a spin doctor are you.My user name is on there and Im a definite NO. Lol

[Frank's cousin]

If the vocal few had kept their mouths shut in 2003 we would have seen the appointment of Glenn Hoddle and would most likely be contemplating yet another season of unbroken premier football today !

 

SShs! thats herasy in these parts ;-)

[Guided Missile]

If the vocal few had kept their mouths shut in 2003 we would have seen the appointment of Glenn Hoddle and would most likely be contemplating yet another season of unbroken premier football today !

Priceless!

 

Dalek, I assume by your name, you are a Doctor Who fan. Your Hoddle obsession also suggests that you have the use of all your limbs. It also suggest that, you're over the age of 40, you still live with your mother and at some point when she was pregant with you she was frightened by a large co ckerel.

Give it a rest, mate. There's a thin line between being charmingly eccentric and scarily mental...

[CB Fry]

If the vocal few had kept their mouths shut in 2003 we would have seen the appointment of Glenn Hoddle and would most likely be contemplating yet another season of unbroken premier football today !

 

 

Retard.

 

It wasn't a vocal few it was majority of the fan base. And Hoddle would have relegated us just one season earlier than ****flaps did. Hoddle failed, failed, failed, failed at every club or country he's been at except Swindon where he had Glenn Hoddle the player to pick and the five minutes he was at Saints with Dave Jones squad.

 

He's a complete failure and hated by almost every player he's every worked with.

 

Take your posters down you deluded obsessive tool.

Edited 14 April, 2009 by CB Fry

[Frank's cousin]

Priceless!

 

Dalek, I assume by your name, you are a Doctor Who fan. Your Hoddle obsession also suggests that you have the use of all your limbs. It also suggest that, you're over the age of 40, you still live with your mother and at some point when she was pregant with you she was frightened by a large co ckerel.

Give it a rest, mate. There's a thin line between being charmingly eccentric and scarily mental...

 

As mental as an obsession might be, we can ask a general question: Had Hoddle returned after the departue of Strachan in 2004, would we have been better off than with Sturrock/Wigley/Redknapp = relegation.... so come on be honest, Hoddle or Wigley?

 

I think the problem many have with Hoddle is less to do with his attruibutes as a coach, even less to do with his departure for Spurs (although a convenient excuse) and more to do with his link to Lowe.

[Frank's cousin]

Retard.

 

It wasn't a vocal few it was majority of the fan base. And Hoddle would have relegated us just one season earlier than ****flaps did. Hoddle failed, failed, failed, failed at every club or country he's been at except Swindon where he had him as a player to pick and the five minutes he was at Saints with Dave Jones squad.

 

He's a complete failure and hated by almost every player he's every worked with.

 

Take your posters down you deluded obsessive tool.

 

Thing is CB, he was not failing with us - he had us in the top half and potentially pushing for urope when he went to Spurs - not a fan of him personally, but he was doing something right and would he have been better than wigley?

[belgrave]

That's a bit strong.

 

When I did my coaching badges I was talking with the FA assessor who's view of Hoddle was that he was one of the best coaches around.

 

I asked about the "does not get on too well with players..." issue/rumour, and was told that in terms of training ground communication, innovation and attentiveness he was exceptional.

[OldNick]

Thing is CB' date=' he was not failing with us - he had us in the top half and potentially pushing for urope when he went to Spurs - not a fan of him personally, but he was doing something right and would he have been better than wigley?[/quote']

He would have done better , long term not sure though but the fans base would have been in a worse state than it is now.His signings were a disaster, forget not he wanted to sell BT to Palace.

[CB Fry]

Thing is CB' date=' he was not failing with us - he had us in the top half and potentially pushing for urope when he went to Spurs - not a fan of him personally, but he was doing something right and would he have been better than wigley?[/quote']

 

 

Anyone would be better than Wigley, but Hoddle or Wigley was never the choice we had.

 

Hoddle is only good for us second time round in hindsight.

 

If he had got the job, he would have torn the club apart and he was so much "Lowe's man" (versus the fans man) he would have been slaughted once he started failing second time round as he would have done.

 

Remember, "just staying up" would have been failure back in those days and the fans would have been in uproar.

 

Hoddle could not come back - too divisive and incapable of uniting people - unlike, god bless him, Redknapp. Hoddle doesn't and didn't have that kind of brass neck. The people that hated him then would hate him ongoing into his doomed second spell and relegation.

 

Hoddle second time round would have seen Wigley in place by Christmas 2004 anyway. Hoddle the failure would have been hounded out.

[CB Fry]

That's a bit strong.

 

When I did my coaching badges I was talking with the FA assessor who's view of Hoddle was that he was one of the best coaches around.

 

I asked about the "does not get on too well with players..." issue/rumour, and was told that in terms of training ground communication, innovation and attentiveness he was exceptional.

 

 

That view may not be shared by Matt Le Tissier, Michael Owen, Paul Gascoigne, David Beckham, James Beattie, at least half the Saints squad at the time, most of the Spurs squad, his old boss as a player and as a manager David Pleat, the entire Wolves squad.

 

Paul Ince is the only player who raves about him.

 

If he was that good explain the utter failure at Spurs, the embarrassment of Wolves - jacuzzis of cash and couldn't even scrape the play offs which even Burley could do - and explain the only person now prepared to give him a job is....Glenn Hoddle.

 

Les Reed was highly rated as a coach by the FA, too.

Edited 14 April, 2009 by CB Fry

[saintwarwick]

from what you said it was a reasonable assumption that you were saying that widderington would be good choice (in your opinion)

 

ince has limited experience, not like widderington i think that tommy would be a better choice of the two, as do countless other people on this thread, as you have already seen

 

Please read back on my posts as I have NEVER mentioned that TW would be a good choice, I have said on several occasions that he would not be an ideal choice as we need someone with experience and Ince was the man I hinted at. He has far more experience than TW, he joined Macclesfield Town when they were 7 points adrift of the rest in league two but saved them from relegation, he then joined MK Dons the following season and won the football league trophy plus promotion as champions of league two. That is far more experience than TW don't you agree?

[Papa Shango]

Please read back on my posts as I have NEVER mentioned that TW would be a good choice, I have said on several occasions that he would not be an ideal choice as we need someone with experience and Ince was the man I hinted at. He has far more experience than TW, he joined Macclesfield Town when they were 7 points adrift of the rest in league two but saved them from relegation, he then joined MK Dons the following season and won the football league trophy plus promotion as champions of league two. That is far more experience than TW don't you agree?

 

Finch is on a wind up.

[belgrave]

...the fact is that under Hoddle we never got relegated.

 

All else is opinion.