Are you watching Rupes??

[Under Weststand]

Whilst the argument holds water that the ultimate plight of this club is not all Lowe's fault, his crassly stupid Dutch experiment not only lost the football matches by getting rid of Pearson he also lost a lot of support with that move, as It was exactly what most people expected him to do. As he just couldn't entertain the fact that he didn't employ Pearson. Lowe was convinced that his ill conceived plan would somehow prove he was the new footballing messiah. This season can not be placed at anyone else's door Lowe's Idea's Lowe's plans Lowe's decisions His Managers/Coaches His playing staff.

[Alain Perrin]

Thanks for your patronising response but we have come to expect that from "His Master's Voice"

 

I think actually most will agree with the point I was making i.e. we wasted an awful lot of money on c*** when we could have kept John, and/or Saganowski or Rasiak - is that simple enough for you to grasp?

 

No it wasn't, and sorry if you felt I was patronising.

 

We can always say "we should have bought better players" or "we should have retained a couple of our top earners", but the fact we're in administration suggests we don't have any cash.

 

The players that we did buy were bought on buy now pay laters (like Schiederlin), part exchange for a higher earner like Pulis or loans to fill a gap (Cork, Saejis etc.). I don't know the detail, but I reckon the collective weekly wages of the majority of the players brought in at any one time would pay for one week of John (I think he was on circa 14K per week and I doubt they're on much more than 2K each).

 

Either way though, it is money we don't have.

[um pahars]

Greenridge don't be a smart ar5e despite the fact the suit fits well.

 

Does the suit fit all of your personas????

 

Or do each of your personalities take on different physical personalities as well???

 

I've got Flashman down as the spiv.

 

The Bear as a slightly rotund, overweight, sweating and hairy.

 

Sundance as the balding, cardigan wearing, Barry The Briefcase type.

 

Do you have female personas as well??

[Fan The Flames]

Thanks for your patronising response but we have come to expect that from "His Master's Voice"

 

I think actually most will agree with the point I was making i.e. we wasted an awful lot of money on c*** when we could have kept John, and/or Saganowski or Rasiak - is that simple enough for you to grasp?

 

Its such a simple concept, I fail to see why people can't see it.

[um pahars]

The players that we did buy were bought on buy now pay laters (like Schiederlin), part exchange for a higher earner like Pulis or loans to fill a gap (Cork, Saejis etc.). I don't know the detail, but I reckon the collective weekly wages of the majority of the players brought in at any one time would pay for one week of John (I think he was on circa 14K per week and I doubt they're on much more than 2K each).

 

We paid a decent wedge up front for Schneiderlin. We also made other poor decisions regarding saving costs and selling assets.

 

And on course on top of that, the false economy that was Jan Poortvliet and the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up proably cost us a seven fugure number due to falling attendances brought upon by serving up sht (particularly at home).

 

This season has been a total disaster and it honestly need not have been. Tough, certainly, but not the disaster it turned out to be.

 

I'm afraid writing it off as unsalvageable is rewriting history as Lowe came back with the belief that it could be saved.

 

He failed.

 

I don't remember anyone saying this season was over when they were waxing lyrically about the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up last June!!!!!!

[Katalinic]

No it wasn't, and sorry if you felt I was patronising.

 

We can always say "we should have bought better players" or "we should have retained a couple of our top earners", but the fact we're in administration suggests we don't have any cash.

 

The players that we did buy were bought on buy now pay laters (like Schiederlin), part exchange for a higher earner like Pulis or loans to fill a gap (Cork, Saejis etc.). I don't know the detail, but I reckon the collective weekly wages of the majority of the players brought in at any one time would pay for one week of John (I think he was on circa 14K per week and I doubt they're on much more than 2K each).

 

Either way though, it is money we don't have.

 

It was early in the season that killed us though pre administration - Forecast was signed clearly because it was felt KD was off to Ipswich which then didn't happen (major error to do that deal before anything for Kelvin was sorted), we then brought in poor loans and even worse signings i.e. Pulis. The fans lost confidence because the performances were poor but by that time we were in an unstoppable downward spiral. Yes we had to mix youth with experience and clearly couldn't go out and spend but we could have done it so much more effectively.

[Daren W]

I try to respect everyone's opinion Daren - my comment was sarcasm at some of your vitriol directed at people with views different to yours.

 

 

 

 

I just thought the comment :

 

 

 

.... indicated a certain 'one track blame' approach.

 

And so I take it you're just as critical of Nineteen Beast then? Or does your abhorance of vitriol just extend to people who have an opposing view to yours?

 

And as for the highlighted piece of text, the buck stops with Lowe. End of.

 

The point people seem to dancing around, especially whilst they ***** and snipe about Pearson, is that Pearson was every inch a Lowe appointment. Young, ambitious, British with a strong working knowledge of youth and how to bring them on with his England under 21 experience.

 

The fact that Lowe ****ed him off would indicate an act of pure petulance and ego. Employing a manager hired by someone he despises. Now for that blinkered piece of lunacy I hold Lowe singularly responsible for our relegation this year. We're dancing to his tune this season and it's an horrendous mess. Yes other people have had a hand in troubles but this season Lowe has really stepped up to the plate and ****ed up quite royally...

[Redondo Saint]

Kill me now or kill me later. I'm still dead.

 

Personally I think, regardless of who was chairman, the loan out the high earners / play the youth approach was the only game in town.

 

The question I have is 'was Lowe too aggressive in trying to cut costs', could we have cut less players, won more games and raised attendances enough to stave off administration. Who knows? I don't, you don't, no one does.

 

Problem was Barclays were determining the level of cuts, not SFC.

 

However, I will never understand why we brought in players like Gasmi and Pulis. I think everyone is agreed on this subject.

[Daren W]

Greenridge don't be a smart ar5e despite the fact the suit fits well. Players have lost heart because of administration and fans stopped supporting the club that reduced revenues that helped to bring about our own downfall.

 

lol

The players have lost heart because of administration??

lolol

Without a doubt the most ridiculous, hilarious, brainless argument I've ever heard on this board. You can imagine the scene in the changing room at half time

 

"FFS Dave, where were you for that ****ing corner??"

 

"It's not my fault boss, this administration malarky just gets me down. The ball came in and all I could think of "Which bid would be best in the long term for the club? Should we go for a bid that might inject cash short term or should we go for a consortium that has the club's best interests at heart?""

 

"Me too Dave, never mind. Once the best bid is accepted we can all go back to concentrating on the football. It's just a shame those 10,000 missing fans have scuppered our season... the bastards."

[View From The Top]

Players have lost heart because of administration and fans stopped supporting the club that reduced revenues that helped to bring about our own downfall.

 

 

:smt082

[bridge too far]

Greenridge don't be a smart ar5e despite the fact the suit fits well. Players have lost heart because of administration and fans stopped supporting the club that reduced revenues that helped to bring about our own downfall.

 

So what, exactly, was their excuse before administration?

[Roger]

Yeah, Rupes marking for those goals was dire.

 

Fans like you who have had your heads in the sand are just as responsible as lowe. How can you defend lowe. Your comment is what clueless fans have been saying for the past 13 years and look where its got us. Of course its lowes fault. He got rid of a good manager and hired 2 coaches who are completely clueless. Its his team and his strategy. At least we can start again if we are bought with a clean slate without that cesspit of a man.

[View From The Top]

Fans like you who have had your heads in the sand are just as responsible as lowe. How can you defend lowe. Your comment is what clueless fans have been saying for the past 13 years and look where its got us. Of course its lowes fault. He got rid of a good manager and hired 2 coaches who are completely clueless. Its his team and his strategy. At least we can start again if we are bought with a clean slate without that cesspit of a man.

 

Don't worry, Adrian showed us all what a clueless muppet he was when he annouced on here that we didn't need our experienced players as "our goal hungrey young strikers will score 20 goals this season".

 

It's pr1cks like him and the other Lowes that allowed Lowe to destroy SFC. They've now got the club that they deserve.

[Roger]

Simple really Mike because we were clearly in the realms of the last chance saloon and the normal approach to managing a club was pretty much suspended. The mistake many made IMO was to judge Lowe as if we were in a healthy situation and critcised him for decisions that in normal times he would not have made but in ridiculously difficult times was actually trying to reverse two years of supreme mismanagement with very little latitude financially.

 

Many kicked their club full square in the ****** and that wasn't Lowe and then others pinned their hopes on empty promises of investment that would never materialise whilst the creditors grew impatient. Lowe chose the path I would have done and that is forget personalities or unfounded promises and focus on positive action in an attempt to influence our own survival. Unfortunately he was never going to overcome the simple blind hatred of others. Pitiful state of affairs really, and if the club can't find a buyer of the type FF has alluded to then perhaps its time to call time. Unity at the moment looks impossible.

 

Can someone get this idiot off this site. What are you on about? This is obviously a lowe plant and is a complete waste of time.

[corsacar saint]

Still the Lowe luvvies defend the prat. The dutch duo are just the last parting shot,

from that total football non entity, and yes for continuities sake I was prepared to

give Wotte a chance.

[Alain Perrin]

And so I take it you're just as critical of Nineteen Beast then? Or does your abhorance of vitriol just extend to people who have an opposing view to yours?

 

No. I think you both sounded a bit silly with your **** waving contest to be honest. I think Nineteen Canteen is a pro-Lowe extremist, just as you are an anti-Lowe extremist. I agree with parts of both of your arguments but think that you are equally blinkered on others. But... I don't feel the need to have DM or Fop like rants because I disagree with someone.

 

And as for the highlighted piece of text, the buck stops with Lowe. End of.

 

Buck / responsibility is not same as blame. If Rupert Lowe started the game of cards, someone played the hand in the middle and he laid them down. Either way it was a busted flush.

 

The point people seem to dancing around, especially whilst they ***** and snipe about Pearson, is that Pearson was every inch a Lowe appointment. Young, ambitious, British with a strong working knowledge of youth and how to bring them on with his England under 21 experience.

 

The fact that Lowe ****ed him off would indicate an act of pure petulance and ego. Employing a manager hired by someone he despises. Now for that blinkered piece of lunacy I hold Lowe singularly responsible for our relegation this year. We're dancing to his tune this season and it's an horrendous mess. Yes other people have had a hand in troubles but this season Lowe has really stepped up to the plate and ****ed up quite royally...

 

There are other ways of looking at that of course. Mark Wotte was RL's first choice, way back pre-Burley, perhaps he felt a sense of loyalty to him as he was allegedly left in the lurch before. Perhaps Pearson did cost more. yada yada yada.

 

I'm just making a case that things aren't as black and white as either extreme would like to paint them.

 

Pointless though as nothing will change as a result of it, not results or opinions. We're too late for all of that.

[Amesbury Saint]

Greenridge don't be a smart ar5e despite the fact the suit fits well. Players have lost heart because of administration and fans stopped supporting the club that reduced revenues that helped to bring about our own downfall.

 

Lowe's legacy - relegation, administration and relegation

 

With help from Wilde.

[Daren W]

No. I think you both sounded a bit silly with your **** waving contest to be honest. I think Nineteen Canteen is a pro-Lowe extremist, just as you are an anti-Lowe extremist. I agree with parts of both of your arguments but think that you are equally blinkered on others. But... I don't feel the need to have DM or Fop like rants because I disagree with someone.

 

Buck / responsibility is not same as blame. If Rupert Lowe started the game of cards, someone played the hand in the middle and he laid them down. Either way it was a busted flush.

 

There are other ways of looking at that of course. Mark Wotte was RL's first choice, way back pre-Burley, perhaps he felt a sense of loyalty to him as he was allegedly left in the lurch before. Perhaps Pearson did cost more. yada yada yada.

 

I'm just making a case that things aren't as black and white as either extreme would like to paint them.

 

Pointless though as nothing will change as a result of it, not results or opinions. We're too late for all of that.

 

Utter ********. I'm an Anti Lowe extremist? You obviously have no recollection of the ill feeling between Beautiful South and the Ugly Inside where I was viewed very much as being pro Lowe. I've just had enough, a lot of people feel the same way. I gave Lowe chance after chance after chance and he blew it.

 

Just because I've had enough of the man don't you dare paint me as being an "Anti Lowe Extremist." For someone who likes to tell us things aren't "Black and white" you do like to objectify people as being pro or anti Lowe. At the begining of the season I wasn't anti Lowe, it took the unbelievably poor decisions he's made this season to push me to where I am now.

 

I'll say it again, we are going down, NOT because of administration or debt but because of the shambolic mess on the pitch and Lowe was the sole architect of that. He took a team on the up after a last gasp last day win and undid everything by bringing in a manager WITH NO EXPERIENCE OF ENGLISH FOOTBALL LET ALONE CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL. He took every good memory of that last gasp win against Sheffield and ****ed on it from a great height and for that and his unbelievable ability to blame everyone apart from himself, I now despise the man.

 

As for Wotte... So If Wotte was lowe's first choice why the bloody hell did he hire Poortvielt over him??? some people would say Wotte didn't want it? But he would with the club second from bottom in freefall??? Nonsense. Or did Lowe feel some loyalty to the man? I'd much rather he put the clubs best interests first rather than some jaded sense of loyalty. Yet more imcompentance...

 

But hell, let's just gloss over the one of many decisions that has probably cost us relegation this season. Let's just agree with Lowe and absolve him of blame for this total farce of a season....

[Pat from Poole]

Oh for ****s sake when are the Lowe apologists going to stop with the "Oh you are stupid, Lowe can't be blamed for EVERYTHING" defence when anyone blames Lowe??

 

The man removed Pearson and and set in motion the absolute ****ing shambles that this season has become. Everything bad with club has his hand in it. Relegation from the Premiership, relegation from this league, the never ending carousel of managers... it all goes back to one man.

 

I'm sorry but the likes of uber intellectual nineteen beast and co and their lemming like defence of Lowe and their placing of any blame on stayaway fans is starting to really annoy me now. Lowe turned fans from fans to customers and customers have every right to withdraw their customer, especially when the man in charge treats them with the upmost contempt..

 

The buck stops with Lowe. This shambolic season is down to him and him alone. He meddled, he changed the management set up and ulitmately this whole mess is down to him. Everyone else has played a part but the ultimate responsiblity lies with Lowe.

 

Live with it...

 

 

Voice of reason.

[ottery st mary]

Utter ********. I'm an Anti Lowe extremist? You obviously have no recollection of the ill feeling between Beautiful South and the Ugly Inside where I was viewed very much as being pro Lowe. I've just had enough, a lot of people feel the same way. I gave Lowe chance after chance after chance and he blew it.

 

Just because I've had enough of the man don't you dare paint me as being an "Anti Lowe Extremist." For someone who likes to tell us things aren't "Black and white" you do like to objectify people as being pro or anti Lowe. At the begining of the season I wasn't anti Lowe, it took the unbelievably poor decisions he's made this season to push me to where I am now.

 

I'll say it again, we are going down, NOT because of administration or debt but because of the shambolic mess on the pitch and Lowe was the sole architect of that. He took a team on the up after a last gasp last day win and undid everything by bringing in a manager WITH NO EXPERIENCE OF ENGLISH FOOTBALL LET ALONE CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL. He took every good memory of that last gasp win against Sheffield and ****ed on it from a great height and for that and his unbelievable ability to blame everyone apart from himself, I now despise the man.

 

As for Wotte... So If Wotte was lowe's first choice why the bloody hell did he hire Poortvielt over him??? some people would say Wotte didn't want it? But he would with the club second from bottom in freefall??? Nonsense. Or did Lowe feel some loyalty to the man? I'd much rather he put the clubs best interests first rather than some jaded sense of loyalty. Yet more imcompentance...

 

But hell, let's just gloss over the one of many decisions that has probably cost us relegation this season. Let's just agree with Lowe and absolve him of blame for this total farce of a season....

 

 

As Pat states the voice of reason but banging your head against the old proverbial with this crowd of Rupert associates or WUM:rolleyes:

[Professor]

Might be an idea for people to get their heads out of the sand and realise that there may not even be a SFC by the end of the season, and that will be due to the debts incurred during 2006/07 and 2007/08. Those were the years when money the club didn't have was gambled on transfers and wages that ended with the team bottom of the table and surviving in the CCC by the results of other clubs. Ranting at Lowe - who wasn't actually in charge during those two years won't change anything, but easy scapegoats have been the order of the day at this club for far too long, so that its become way of life. And still there are people saying the club should heve spent even more money this season - who don't seem to understand that if that had been done, administration would have been last October instead of now.

[ottery st mary]

Might be an idea for people to get their heads out of the sand and realise that there may not even be a SFC by the end of the season, and that will be due to the debts incurred during 2006/07 and 2007/08. Those were the years when money the club didn't have was gambled on transfers and wages that ended with the team bottom of the table and surviving in the CCC by the results of other clubs. Ranting at Lowe - who wasn't actually in charge during those two years won't change anything, but easy scapegoats have been the order of the day at this club for far too long, so that its become way of life. And still there are people saying the club should heve spent even more money this season - who don't seem to understand that if that had been done, administration would have been last October instead of now.

 

As I was saying Ruperts associates and WUM...Not a clue...Rupert on his Damage Limitation tour before he explains to his Financial buddies his shortcomings....In fact they are all in the same boat at the mo....Rupert is a continuing disaster.

[Pat from Poole]

Might be an idea for people to get their heads out of the sand and realise that there may not even be a SFC by the end of the season, and that will be due to the debts incurred during 2006/07 and 2007/08. Those were the years when money the club didn't have was gambled on transfers and wages that ended with the team bottom of the table and surviving in the CCC by the results of other clubs. Ranting at Lowe - who wasn't actually in charge during those two years won't change anything, but easy scapegoats have been the order of the day at this club for far too long, so that its become way of life. And still there are people saying the club should heve spent even more money this season - who don't seem to understand that if that had been done, administration would have been last October instead of now.

 

 

Lowe agreed the deal to sign Rasiak on a salary of £10,000 a week plus, which set the bar for other obscene salaries for the likes of Davis, Skacel, Wright-Phillips etc.

[Fan The Flames]

We were always going to overspend as a premiership club in the championship. Rupert underspent in our relegation years and he ****ed about the first year we were down which required the gamble in the second year. I don't have a problem with the gamble and it then became time to cut our cloth to deal with, Crouch was dealing with it and then along came Rupert with the dutch revloution that slashed the experience out of the team which is more than likley going to result in another relegation.

 

To try and distance rupert from the financial situation at this club will be like trying to distance him from the up and coming relegation because of course it wont have happened on his watch.

 

Keep banging the drum Lowe luvvies.

[Wes Tender]

Might be an idea for people to get their heads out of the sand and realise that there may not even be a SFC by the end of the season, and that will be due to the debts incurred during 2006/07 and 2007/08. Those were the years when money the club didn't have was gambled on transfers and wages that ended with the team bottom of the table and surviving in the CCC by the results of other clubs. Ranting at Lowe - who wasn't actually in charge during those two years won't change anything, but easy scapegoats have been the order of the day at this club for far too long, so that its become way of life. And still there are people saying the club should heve spent even more money this season - who don't seem to understand that if that had been done, administration would have been last October instead of now.

 

It doesn't seem to occur to you and many others that the financial position is one set of circumstances and that the team and management are another. It doesn't occur either that one can have a tightly run ship financially, but that if the team and manager are crap, the financial prudence is a total irrelevance. What is required to achieve any level of success, is an astute balance between the two things; to get the best available manager within those financial restraints, expecting that he in turn will be savvy enough to get in the best players also within budget and employ the best tactical nous to use them to best effect.

 

Accepting that while Lowe was away we gambled on spending too much to get us back up, does not excuse for one second what Lowe did once he returned with the aid of the Quisling.

 

Putting aside the unpopularity that the two of them had among the fan base and the fact that inevitably some stayed away because of it, Lowe failed spectacularly to abide with those tenets that I have listed as the way to succeed on a tight budget.

 

We already had a decent manager capable of chosing decent inexpensive players and utilising them to the best advantage, but Lowe dispensed with his services and appointed two foreigners with zero experience and a level of incompetance that has been proven by results (or lack of them) this season.

 

Regarding the players, yes, they were cheap, as they were the previous season's youth team, the players with experience and prowess having been loaned out, sold or let go.

 

Many of us knew it was a recipe for disaster at the start of the season, so it is useless you and 19 Canteen and a few others singing from Lowe's song sheet, blaming the two years that he wasn't in control. Poor managers and players not up to it means defeats, which means lower attendances, means increased financial pressure, equals eventual administration and relegation.

 

The financial position inherited by Lowe, in part of course caused by him on relegation, did not mean that the path taken by him this season was the only one. If he or anybody else believes that, they are seriously deluded.

[JustMike]

Greenridge don't be a smart ar5e despite the fact the suit fits well. Players have lost heart because of administration and fans stopped supporting the club that reduced revenues that helped to bring about our own downfall.

 

Nineteen!!! and there was me thinking we had struck some common ground but nooo here you are again blaming everyone BUT Lowe for this.

 

"Players have lost heart because of admin"

 

Bollix!! Sorry but they have not performed all season, not their fault, because most of them should not have had the pressure of being 1st team regulars at their age. And secondly, i dont know about you, but id play my heart out for either A) a new deal here if we are taken over, or B) a deal at another club.

 

"fans stopped supporting the club that reduced revenues that helped to bring about our own downfall"

 

again..bollix!! Even if we had had the extra 2500-5000 at each game, we would have come to this, albeit prolonged for a few more weeks. The results would not have changed, we would still be in the bottom 3. Lowe had the chance to accept offers into this club but refused because of his own greed. When will you get off this blaming the fans for this mess carp you spout so much?

[Daren W]

Might be an idea for people to get their heads out of the sand and realise that there may not even be a SFC by the end of the season, and that will be due to the debts incurred during 2006/07 and 2007/08. Those were the years when money the club didn't have was gambled on transfers and wages that ended with the team bottom of the table and surviving in the CCC by the results of other clubs. Ranting at Lowe - who wasn't actually in charge during those two years won't change anything, but easy scapegoats have been the order of the day at this club for far too long, so that its become way of life. And still there are people saying the club should heve spent even more money this season - who don't seem to understand that if that had been done, administration would have been last October instead of now.

 

Oh for ****s sake will you retract your head out of this proverbial sand and realise that the reason we were in "debt" was that Lowe's disasterous mismangement got us relegated and cost us a Sky income of over £20 million a year??? We overspent chasing promotion... At least we ****ing well tried! Compare that to the season under Wilde's mob, at least we got to the playoffs! With Lowe's first season in the championship we operated on the cheap yet again and lost the best man to get us out of this league to our most bitter rivals!! Yes, we borrowed but I'd argue that if Lowe had made a better fist of our first season with Redknapp then perhaps we might not have had to gamble and might have gone up on the first attempt...

 

According to you Rupert Lowe is Southampton Pol Pot. His rule, his responsibility started afresh this season and everything that preceded is forgotten (Apart from the mistakes other people have made) Perhaps we should all check our tickets. Do they say, "Southampton FC season year Zero."

 

It makes me laugh when the pro Lowe brigade spout off that stay away fans are to blame for our financial meltdown. Those 10,000 missing fans are to blame! The phrase "head in the sand is often used." I wonder if that head was placed in said sand when reviewing the way the club was run? They may say stayaway fans have damaged this club, what damage was done by fans who buried their head in the sand and saw nothing wrong with Lowe's second tenure at the club?

 

To me those that fiddled whilst Rome burned are just as culpable as those who stayed away.... But the pro Lowe don't want to hear that, they're rather like Lowe himself. Everyone else is to blame for the current state of affairs but them....

[Alain Perrin]

Utter ********. I'm an Anti Lowe extremist? You obviously have no recollection of the ill feeling between Beautiful South and the Ugly Inside where I was viewed very much as being pro Lowe. I've just had enough, a lot of people feel the same way. I gave Lowe chance after chance after chance and he blew it.

 

Just because I've had enough of the man don't you dare paint me as being an "Anti Lowe Extremist." For someone who likes to tell us things aren't "Black and white" you do like to objectify people as being pro or anti Lowe. At the begining of the season I wasn't anti Lowe, it took the unbelievably poor decisions he's made this season to push me to where I am now.

 

I'll say it again, we are going down, NOT because of administration or debt but because of the shambolic mess on the pitch and Lowe was the sole architect of that. He took a team on the up after a last gasp last day win and undid everything by bringing in a manager WITH NO EXPERIENCE OF ENGLISH FOOTBALL LET ALONE CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL. He took every good memory of that last gasp win against Sheffield and ****ed on it from a great height and for that and his unbelievable ability to blame everyone apart from himself, I now despise the man.

 

As for Wotte... So If Wotte was lowe's first choice why the bloody hell did he hire Poortvielt over him??? some people would say Wotte didn't want it? But he would with the club second from bottom in freefall??? Nonsense. Or did Lowe feel some loyalty to the man? I'd much rather he put the clubs best interests first rather than some jaded sense of loyalty. Yet more imcompentance...

 

But hell, let's just gloss over the one of many decisions that has probably cost us relegation this season. Let's just agree with Lowe and absolve him of blame for this total farce of a season....

 

LOL. Perhaps the word extremist was misused - it has the wrong connotations, more accurate to say your views are strong ("I now despise the man") - and it's obvious where Nineteen Canteen stands.

 

I am not trying to gloss over anything, this season is a **** up - and Lowe is very much at fault. He made mistakes, too many and ("it's a results business") deserved to go.

 

I just don't think he is to blame for everything.

[Daren W]

Nineteen!!! and there was me thinking we had struck some common ground but nooo here you are again blaming everyone BUT Lowe for this.

 

"Players have lost heart because of admin"

 

Bollix!! Sorry but they have not performed all season, not their fault, because most of them should not have had the pressure of being 1st team regulars at their age. And secondly, i dont know about you, but id play my heart out for either A) a new deal here if we are taken over, or B) a deal at another club.

 

"fans stopped supporting the club that reduced revenues that helped to bring about our own downfall"

 

again..bollix!! Even if we had had the extra 2500-5000 at each game, we would have come to this, albeit prolonged for a few more weeks. The results would not have changed, we would still be in the bottom 3. Lowe had the chance to accept offers into this club but refused because of his own greed. When will you get off this blaming the fans for this mess carp you spout so much?

 

Here's a funny thing Mike, the ones excuse that always being trotted out when we screwed up at games with 20,000 attendances plus was that the boys were intimidated by the big crowds/big games. Now it appears that the games of 20,000 less are also to blame for our demise...

 

Perhaps the pro Lowe brigade have an optimum crowd figure? Get the crowds to 23,449 and we're cooking on gas...

[Mowgli]

Thanks Rupes..this is what YOU have done to our club. 3-0 down to wolves after 15mins..hope you're really proud of your efforts. Or is it everyone else fault bar yours???

 

:mad:

You really need serious medical help if you feel compelled to keep on about this.

[Daren W]

LOL. Perhaps the word extremist was misused - it has the wrong connotations, more accurate to say your views are strong ("I now despise the man") - and it's obvious where Nineteen Canteen stands.

 

I am not trying to gloss over anything, this season is a **** up - and Lowe is very much at fault. He made mistakes, too many and ("it's a results business") deserved to go.

 

I just don't think he is to blame for everything.

 

Good reply.

 

Yes my views on Lowe are strong. My views on most things are strong, that's me. I'm either full on or not at all. If that upsets people then so be it but I'll not apologise for being an "all in" sort of man.

 

The problem lies with intrangagence on all sides. There is a definite element who have always hated Lowe, even when he was doing well, and the current collapse brings about a large dose of "I told you so."

 

I didn't tell you so. I certainly didn't in Cardiff, or didn't at St Marys when we played Steau or when Strachan took us to 4th in the Premiership.

 

But for this club to truly move on people have to accept blame. Lowe needs to accept blame as this season has been a complete and utter disaster of his making. Yes Wilde has most definitedly ****ed up too and so has Crouch but at least Crouch is man enough to admit his mistakes and goes up immensely in my estimation.

 

Other people need to accept blame as well. Crouch has apologised. Lowe has become Pol Pot and Wilde is once more the invisible man...

 

Now where is Guy Askham???

[washsaint]

We do appear to have a wide range of nut jobs supporting us if this forum is representative (thank god it is not!).

 

Deluded, bitter, 'poor me, poor me', delusions of grandeur and plenty of spite.

 

Why not actually get a life?

[trousers]

Here's a funny thing Mike, the ones excuse that always being trotted out when we screwed up at games with 20,000 attendances plus was that the boys were intimidated by the big crowds/big games. Now it appears that the games of 20,000 less are also to blame for our demise...

 

 

Ha! Well remembered that man. I recall that OS article too. I remember commenting at the time that there was an easy solution to having too big crowds. It's true what they say about true words and jest...

[Micky]

LOL. Perhaps the word extremist was misused - it has the wrong connotations, more accurate to say your views are strong ("I now despise the man") - and it's obvious where Nineteen Canteen stands.

 

I am not trying to gloss over anything, this season is a **** up - and Lowe is very much at fault. He made mistakes, too many and ("it's a results business") deserved to go.

 

I just don't think he is to blame for everything.

 

Couldn't have put it better myself - but it appears that most want to hang him and allow others to hide in the shadows.

 

Lowe will be taking the blame on all things that go wrong with this club for the next 20 odd years at this rate.

[Amesbury Saint]

 

Lowe will be taking the blame on all things that go wrong with this club for the next 20 odd years at this rate.

 

 

I hope it takes less than 20 years to unpick the mess Lowe has left.

[corsacar saint]

Is Professor, Nineteen Canteens identical twin brother?

[brmbrm]

Admin one week earlier would have been the sane, sensible thing to do. Now who knows where we stand next year. And all for £6k? F*kC off Rupert, surely even you could shell out 6k if the situation was retreivable. I still think its revenge:

 

"Swing Lowe, swing rupert Lowe....."

 

"Then swing this you fkucers!"

 

End of club

[Lets B Avenue]

Couldn't have put it better myself - but it appears that most want to hang him and allow others to hide in the shadows.

 

Lowe will be taking the blame on all things that go wrong with this club for the next 20 odd years at this rate.

 

So when is Mikey Wilde hitting the publicity merry-go-round? Strange that Rupes never once mentioned him by name during the 55 or so interviews he gave. Even though he was responsible for his 2006 exit and his 2008 resurrection.

[Lets B Avenue]

Is Professor, Nineteen Canteens identical twin brother?

 

No. Just another sad delusional tw*t.

[benjii]

I don't see how there can be any debate.

 

He came. He saw. He failed miserably.

 

Relegation and admin. Great job.

 

If the financial position made this season's digusting wreck inevitable then it's hard to explain this little beauty from Lowe:

 

"We are under

no illusion that our progress can be taken for

granted and there will, undoubtedly, be some

“ups and downs.” Building the foundation was

always going to be the hardest part but we have

achieved this."

 

Or this one:

 

"Given time and further

support from the various interested parties,

we are confident that we can resolve the serious

challenges that face our Company."

But the coup de grace (apart from Musings of Iwelumo) must be this astonishing Corporate Statement:

To strive in partnership with all the Club’s

stakeholders, to establish and maintain

Southampton Football Club as a financially

robust business. A business whose principal

asset is a stylish and entertaining football

team that evokes loyalty, pride and passion

on the part of its followers. To work

towards A team that is genuinely capable

of finishing amongst the top ten clubs

within the FA Premier League and reaching

the latter stages of the FA and League Cup

competitions every season.

So, utter failure on all counts then.

Do you small band of weirdos get it now?

[supaimpy_returns]

All those years of relegation battles at the Dell never felt as bad as now, staying up on the last day, and dropping Man City out or Leicester last year, somehow I don't see the fanbase turning out as we did in South London and turning the town red and white stripes in Nottingham this year, more likely we'll be down by then.

 

Lowe has only ever talked about money in all his interviews, never mentioned Wilde and The Dutch Experiment that is the real reason we are where we are , not the money but the way the team has been managed. There should at least be a fight in the team as in the past, but the dutch methods havn;t instilled this, and thats RL's mistake.

 

The man RL has done this thru spite, one week past the date, leaves a legacy for a points deduction for next season, and then he mentions a bounced cheque on the GK coach whose otherwise engaged ! SFC are supposed to cover footballing debts not SLH , it was another subtle twist of the knife, Graham Souness got it right all those years ago. RL didn't build the stadium the promise of PL money built the stadium, and it was built on the backs of Le Tiss, Benali and Dodd and journey men like Palmer and Bessant.

[Minsk]

Number two.

 

I actually laughed out loud at that.

 

Good to see you back on here.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Thanks Daren, and I respect your opinion too.

 

I agree that Lowe is responsible for a hell of a lot this season, but I find it amazing that some people cannot see there are other factors at play too.

 

Do I think Lowe's single mindedness about his revolutionary coaching setup cost us - yes I do. Do I think we had much choice but to play youth in the first part of the season, no I don't. BTW when we stopped doing this and playing a few of our higher earners we went into admin....

 

Personally I doubt that, even without the 'revolutionary coaching set up', we'd have done much better. Pearson had a good pair of lungs on him and appears to be a good motivator, but would he have done better with the same hand that JP/Wotte had? As someone who travelled to Hull to see our thrashing there AND saw us capitulate against Burnley / Barnsley, I doubt his tactical ability.

 

Lowe was sailing the ship when it crashed into the iceberg, so yes, he is to blame. But in my opinion it is naive to think he is the only one to blame. Wilde, Hone, Hoos, Crouch - all those who let us get to a state where pounds were more important than players are also to blame.

 

When Man City went down to the third tier they played to full houses, when we went down we spent the time blaming each other, boycotting etc. C'est la vie.

 

Brilliant post and very little to contest or argue about.

[Minsk]

 

If there is such a thing I would love to read the transcripts of the conversations between Lowe and Pearson and get an inside understanding of why that decision was made. I was led to believe Pearson was pushing for the retention of Idiakez. Judging by how close we came to relegation would that alledged comment by Pearson 10 months ago make you feel confident in his ability to burn £10k a week on Idiakez?

 

 

I believe you are ignoring the fact that Lowe himself, and Wotte, and Portaloo, have all been quoted in the press/on TV that they knew Lowe and Wilde would be in power this season and who the management team would be AT THIS TIME LAST YEAR. In other words, there was no way that Pearson was ever going to be retained; therefore there was no meaningful meeting with him (Pearson) and your husband/lover.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Somehow I doubt it...

 

Now please show me where I've put the blame entirely on Lowe? No doubt Wilde is the other main culprit with Crouch in thrid place with the other board members bringing up the rear.

But..

The buck stops with him. He changed the management set up. He set in motion the events that have relegated us this season.

He had now presided over two relegations in four years. Is he just unlucky?

 

Or a victim of circumstance? Its unlikely we would be relegated this year if the fans stood by the club instead of pointless protests and boycotts and petulance over the lack of playing standards that was placed upon us by Wilde and his cohort Crouch by p1ssing away the family silver under failed promises of investment. The management set up and playing staff was changed under Lowe this season because we effectively had very little choice in the matter. Pity you seem unable to grasp the reality but at least you can lace up those boots big boy they'll come in useful when you fail to win these arguments.

[Nineteen Canteen]

And so I take it you're just as critical of Nineteen Beast then? Or does your abhorance of vitriol just extend to people who have an opposing view to yours?

 

And as for the highlighted piece of text, the buck stops with Lowe. End of.

 

The point people seem to dancing around, especially whilst they ***** and snipe about Pearson, is that Pearson was every inch a Lowe appointment. Young, ambitious, British with a strong working knowledge of youth and how to bring them on with his England under 21 experience.

 

The fact that Lowe ****ed him off would indicate an act of pure petulance and ego. Employing a manager hired by someone he despises. Now for that blinkered piece of lunacy I hold Lowe singularly responsible for our relegation this year. We're dancing to his tune this season and it's an horrendous mess. Yes other people have had a hand in troubles but this season Lowe has really stepped up to the plate and ****ed up quite royally...

 

Daren for the record I only ever respond in kind to insults and it is posters like yourself who feel the need to initiate them rather than enter some form of rational debate. Seriously you need to grow up son.

[Nineteen Canteen]

I don't see how there can be any debate.

 

He came. He saw. He failed miserably.

 

Relegation and admin. Great job.

 

If the financial position made this season's digusting wreck inevitable then it's hard to explain this little beauty from Lowe:

 

"We are under

no illusion that our progress can be taken for

granted and there will, undoubtedly, be some

“ups and downs.” Building the foundation was

always going to be the hardest part but we have

achieved this."

 

Or this one:

 

"Given time and further

support from the various interested parties,

we are confident that we can resolve the serious

challenges that face our Company."

But the coup de grace (apart from Musings of Iwelumo) must be this astonishing Corporate Statement:

To strive in partnership with all the Club’s

stakeholders, to establish and maintain

Southampton Football Club as a financially

robust business. A business whose principal

asset is a stylish and entertaining football

team that evokes loyalty, pride and passion

on the part of its followers. To work

towards A team that is genuinely capable

of finishing amongst the top ten clubs

within the FA Premier League and reaching

the latter stages of the FA and League Cup

competitions every season.

So, utter failure on all counts then.

Do you small band of weirdos get it now?

 

Yes i do, our stakeholders and support from interested parties seriously let us down. Many of those same stakeholders and interested parties are now being asked to stump up £100 for a private share in a new fans consortium called Save Our Saints. The circle has now closed.

[Nineteen Canteen]

All those years of relegation battles at the Dell never felt as bad as now, staying up on the last day, and dropping Man City out or Leicester last year, somehow I don't see the fanbase turning out as we did in South London and turning the town red and white stripes in Nottingham this year, more likely we'll be down by then.

 

Lowe has only ever talked about money in all his interviews, never mentioned Wilde and The Dutch Experiment that is the real reason we are where we are , not the money but the way the team has been managed. There should at least be a fight in the team as in the past, but the dutch methods havn;t instilled this, and thats RL's mistake.

 

The man RL has done this thru spite, one week past the date, leaves a legacy for a points deduction for next season, and then he mentions a bounced cheque on the GK coach whose otherwise engaged ! SFC are supposed to cover footballing debts not SLH , it was another subtle twist of the knife, Graham Souness got it right all those years ago. RL didn't build the stadium the promise of PL money built the stadium, and it was built on the backs of Le Tiss, Benali and Dodd and journey men like Palmer and Bessant.

 

Are you saying they are one and the same. Don't let those forensic accountants know as they will expedite the inevitable.

[Jez]

shock in 2nd to bottom of the league losing to top of the league 3-0. Why does everyone need someone to blame? How about the fact that Wolves are simply better than us and the league proves this?

[Daren W]

Or a victim of circumstance? Its unlikely we would be relegated this year if the fans stood by the club instead of pointless protests and boycotts and petulance over the lack of playing standards that was placed upon us by Wilde and his cohort Crouch by p1ssing away the family silver under failed promises of investment. The management set up and playing staff was changed under Lowe this season because we effectively had very little choice in the matter. Pity you seem unable to grasp the reality but at least you can lace up those boots big boy they'll come in useful when you fail to win these arguments.

 

Please tell me what argument you've won? Ever?

The family silver? Oh you just get more and more hilarious...

We had little choice in changing management? Even more hilarious.

This years relegation is due to the fans and the demonstrations?

COMPLETE AND UTTER NONSENSE AND SO BLINKERED AND RETARDED AS TO BE OFFENSIVE.

 

You really do need to have a look at yourself as you're not half as witty, intelligent or thought provoking as you seem to think you are. You can cut and paste googled quotes but people see you for what you are.. A wind up merchant, one that the admin should really see for what it is and forget this "freedom of speech" nonsense and just ban you for once and for all...

 

Please carry on with the doctor martins quips. I haven't forgotten the quips and insults on Essru's site. Using my mum's cancer and my efforts to raise money for charity to poke fun of me and insult me. Like I said before, your identity will come out sooner or later and you can insult me to my face. You can look forward to that I promise...

Edited 11 April, 2009 by Daren W