Our saveoursaints appeal being launched tomorrow.

[derry]

The Echo is launching our saveoursaints appeal to complement the sticky on here. At the moment the appeal is being put forward with the same basis, asking for contact details and a pledged sum, as a fall back position, or a backup in the event of a preferred bidder being outbid. Both the thread and the saveoursaints section will continue to run in tandem.

 

Any feedback would be appreciated on the existing sticky. Just remember we are just doing our best to do something rather than talk about it. We really have no control or even know exactly what the echo are putting out tomorrow although they have told us they are being very supportive and positive. We have been told that it will be both on the front page and inside pages.

 

This is really to ensure that there is a structure in place with the public aware with the support of the media, that in the event of no acceptable bid we are in a position to be able to mount a rescue without delay.

Edited 9 April, 2009 by derry

[70's Mike]

Sorry must have missed something, i thought you were asking what people would give , surely to make some sort of counter bid you need the actual cash from us NOW

[Doctoroncall]

so the echo is just the media front to the sticky on here?

 

We just wait for your word "go" for things to start moving into place.

[derry]

Sorry must have missed something' date=' i thought you were asking what people would give , surely to make some sort of counter bid you need the actual cash from us NOW[/quote']

 

No we are taking details and pledges as on here. We are not making a counter bid we are getting our ducks in a row (sorry rupert, no shooting please;)) so that we are organised, known and ready in the event, to mount a rescue, calling in the pledges and collecting what we can.

 

We have to start somewhere and this is it. There will be more exposure and possibly further flyer/paper appeals for those without a computer.

 

It is essential until a deal is closed to take it seriously that there may be no acceptable bid. If we are ready we could make a difference, if not a public buyout, enable a worthwhile, preferred group to mount a successful bid.

[derry]

so the echo is just the media front to the sticky on here?

 

We just wait for your word "go" for things to start moving into place.

 

That pretty much sums up what we are doing, to take money now without knowing exactly where this is going to go, would be stupid.

 

If all the money had to be returned, only the bank, for security reasons could return the money whence it came and I presume that would be very costly and would have to come out of the sum collected.

 

In that event there is no way I would agree access to the funds by anyone else for everybody's sake and peace of mind.

[derry]

Just moving it to the top.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

The Echo is launching our saveoursaints appeal to complement the sticky on here. At the moment the appeal is being put forward with the same basis, asking for contact details and a pledged sum, as a fall back position, or a backup in the event of a preferred bidder being outbid. Both the thread and the saveoursaints section will continue to run in tandem.

 

Any feedback would be appreciated on the existing sticky. Just remember we are just doing our best to do something rather than talk about it. We really have no control or even know exactly what the echo are putting out tomorrow although they have told us they are being very supportive and positive. We have been told that it will be both on the front page and inside pages.

 

This is really to ensure that there is a structure in place with the public aware with the support of the media, that in the event of no acceptable bid we are in a position to be able to mount a rescue without delay.

 

This really is a worthwhile exercise because if all of a sudden everthing suddenly goes pear shaped and Fry declares "no consortium have delivered therefore the club will fold" (God forbid), then we - the fans - need to be in a position to offer at least some sort of reprieve, albeit for a few days. Derry has done some sterling work over the last week and it is vital the fans are seen to be proactive over this.

Rgds Duncan

[derry]

moving it up.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Recognise the work that must have gone into all this and all credit where it's due. Not surprisngly, its not something I can support having contributed thousands of pounds to the club's coffers over the years and to think we could have supported a cure whilst the patient was alive and under our care. I now find it very difficult to stand alongside those who support Derry whilst openly admitting they turned their backs on the club.

 

At the moment I am hoping Duncan's known consortium comes through or backing any other worthy bid. If it comes to relying on SOS the way I see it the club will be liquidated and AFC Saints here we come - no thanks. Eastleigh, Basingstoke, Salisbury or Aldershot for me, but football will never quite be the same.

 

Good luck with it Derry your efforts deserve recognition at least but we need to look to those fans who failed to renew ST's back in March last year before Lowe had returned and then those who jumped on the stay away band wagon. Its going to take a while to forgive them.

[MarkSFC]

The Echo is launching our saveoursaints appeal to complement the sticky on here. At the moment the appeal is being put forward with the same basis, asking for contact details and a pledged sum, as a fall back position, or a backup in the event of a preferred bidder being outbid. Both the thread and the saveoursaints section will continue to run in tandem.

 

Any feedback would be appreciated on the existing sticky. Just remember we are just doing our best to do something rather than talk about it. We really have no control or even know exactly what the echo are putting out tomorrow although they have told us they are being very supportive and positive. We have been told that it will be both on the front page and inside pages.

 

This is really to ensure that there is a structure in place with the public aware with the support of the media, that in the event of no acceptable bid we are in a position to be able to mount a rescue without delay.

 

 

Just to back up what Derry has said...The Echo piece will be positive about the reasons we are announcing our proposal/idea. It is a mix of an article I provided Simon Carter and several conversations I have had with him this week ( and over the last 4-6 weeks).

 

The purpose is multi-pronged....

1. To publically "announce the initiative"

2. To open minds to the fact that (maybe) we (the fans) could be the only option

3. To set the wheels in motion, so that if we do have to act we are as ready as we could be

4. To show that there is substance to our initiative and its not simply a "pledge your money" exercise. That IS very important though, to understand the possible levels we could reach

5. To show "potential investors" that the fan base is passionate and united.

6. To potentially partner with another bid if it was suitable or necessary etc

 

and there are probbly more!!

 

All I would ask is that you all read and digest the article and proposal and open your minds to the idea. We by no means have ALL the answers or have come up with a perfect solution, but it has stemmed from an idea I had 2 months ago and has gone from there. There has been lots of number crunching and debate and what we have is the result of that.

 

So by all means ask questions, because if we do end up having to act, the more ideas we have the better.

 

Ideally, I would love to see a BIG investor come in and develop our fantastic club back to the Premiership quickly and stay around for years and years.

 

BUT, it may not happen, and given the choice of the last 5 years or giving "Fans Ownership" a try, I would go for the latter every time!!!

 

I hope you enjoy the article and more importantly enjoy watching us win 3 points tomorrow!!!!

 

Mark

[Nineteen Canteen]

Just to back up what Derry has said...The Echo piece will be positive about the reasons we are announcing our proposal/idea. It is a mix of an article I provided Simon Carter and several conversations I have had with him this week ( and over the last 4-6 weeks).

 

The purpose is multi-pronged....

1. To publically "announce the initiative"

2. To open minds to the fact that (maybe) we (the fans) could be the only option

3. To set the wheels in motion, so that if we do have to act we are as ready as we could be

4. To show that there is substance to our initiative and its not simply a "pledge your money" exercise. That IS very important though, to understand the possible levels we could reach

5. To show "potential investors" that the fan base is passionate and united.

6. To potentially partner with another bid if it was suitable or necessary etc

 

and there are probbly more!!

 

All I would ask is that you all read and digest the article and proposal and open your minds to the idea. We by no means have ALL the answers or have come up with a perfect solution, but it has stemmed from an idea I had 2 months ago and has gone from there. There has been lots of number crunching and debate and what we have is the result of that.

 

So by all means ask questions, because if we do end up having to act, the more ideas we have the better.

 

Ideally, I would love to see a BIG investor come in and develop our fantastic club back to the Premiership quickly and stay around for years and years.

 

BUT, it may not happen, and given the choice of the last 5 years or giving "Fans Ownership" a try, I would go for the latter every time!!!

 

I hope you enjoy the article and more importantly enjoy watching us win 3 points tomorrow!!!!

 

Mark

 

IMO the fanbase will never be united on a fan led takeover simply because of the diversity of opinion that exists. You are obviously very passionate about your proposal but I think you are letting it cloud your judgement with regard to it uniting the fanbase. The fanbase needs to unite under a bid that offers the best outcome for the club and that is not going to be a despearate last ditch buy out by the fans.

 

A pledge today may not relect a cash contribution tomorrow and especially if you are asked to team up with a bid that is unpalatable with many fans. What is your expected fall out rate? Do we have any examples in the world of football where this has been done before with success? (Excluding any European clubs as cultures don't always commute)

 

Given a choice I would take the last 5 years over fan ownership as I could see the infighting being more akin to a riot than recent boardroom skirmishes. To say it would require strong leadership skills is a massive understatement and the likliehood of a bank dealing with a group of say 5,000 private investors managing their own club through rose tinted glasses is difficult to comprehend.

 

Can we see your business proposal based on your estimates with regard to pledges? You say you have done lots of number crunching and much debate and as a result have something. I'm hoping its more than what you have alluded to here because with respect I can't see how this is going to work assuming it comes down to you in the end. Who would be appointed CEO? FD? Board directors? There is nothing tangible here to assess so it has to be dismissed at the moment as regards to making a pledge let alone a cash injection. Who are you and Derry and what do you think qualifies you to head this up, other than it was your idea? Need to see a detailed proposal.

[Tamesaint]

IMO the fanbase will never be united on a fan led takeover simply because of the diversity of opinion that exists. You are obviously very passionate about your proposal but I think you are letting it cloud your judgement with regard to it uniting the fanbase. The fanbase needs to unite under a bid that offers the best outcome for the club and that is not going to be a despearate last ditch buy out by the fans.

 

A pledge today may not relect a cash contribution tomorrow and especially if you are asked to team up with a bid that is unpalatable with many fans. What is your expected fall out rate? Do we have any examples in the world of football where this has been done before with success? (Excluding any European clubs as cultures don't always commute)

 

Given a choice I would take the last 5 years over fan ownership as I could see the infighting being more akin to a riot than recent boardroom skirmishes. To say it would require strong leadership skills is a massive understatement and the likliehood of a bank dealing with a group of say 5,000 private investors managing their own club through rose tinted glasses is difficult to comprehend.

 

Can we see your business proposal based on your estimates with regard to pledges? You say you have done lots of number crunching and much debate and as a result have something. I'm hoping its more than what you have alluded to here because with respect I can't see how this is going to work assuming it comes down to you in the end. Who would be appointed CEO? FD? Board directors? There is nothing tangible here to assess so it has to be dismissed at the moment as regards to making a pledge let alone a cash injection. Who are you and Derry and what do you think qualifies you to head this up, other than it was your idea? Need to see a detailed proposal.

 

I accept your views biut if it comes down to a choice between a fan consortium or no consortium , I know where I would like us to be.... and it ain't with AFC Saints!!!

[Doctoroncall]

NC, no one has said this is going to be easy, but why are you being so negative about it?

 

This proposal is a last resort, hopefully will not be needed, you have stated as not being interested in but have posted twice on in this thread - something you would call an oxymoron by your definition.

[70's Mike]

Recognise the work that must have gone into all this and all credit where it's due. Not surprisngly, its not something I can support having contributed thousands of pounds to the club's coffers over the years and to think we could have supported a cure whilst the patient was alive and under our care. I now find it very difficult to stand alongside those who support Derry whilst openly admitting they turned their backs on the club.

 

At the moment I am hoping Duncan's known consortium comes through or backing any other worthy bid. If it comes to relying on SOS the way I see it the club will be liquidated and AFC Saints here we come - no thanks. Eastleigh, Basingstoke, Salisbury or Aldershot for me, but football will never quite be the same.

 

Good luck with it Derry your efforts deserve recognition at least but we need to look to those fans who failed to renew ST's back in March last year before Lowe had returned and then those who jumped on the stay away band wagon. Its going to take a while to forgive them.

 

 

Keep living in the past Rupert.

What has gone has gone, we are where we are NOW, you have put no more into the coffers than many others who support Derry but you focus on the ones who did not renew season tickets a year ago

 

Any way have a good debate i am of to Wolves in half an hour, once two sons are up

[John B]

Although very worthy this plan seems completely impractical to me but I could be persuaded if more information was availabe.

 

As usual 19 make sensible comments

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Newsflash..... Friends try to prevent local man from investing in Saveoursaints .

 

[Navysaint]

I have just read the article and can see that some work has gone into it. Although i have a couple of questions, when the fans own the football club where would the money for transfers etc come from? and why would you still promote season tickets?

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Although very worthy this plan seems completely impractical to me but I could be persuaded if more information was availabe.

 

As usual 19 make sensible comments

 

The bottom line is however, if no consortium is forthcoming and there is no initiative from the fans then we have no football club. This is no time for semantics.

[stevegrant]

The bottom line is however, if no consortium is forthcoming and there is no initiative from the fans then we have no football club. This is no time for semantics.

Spot on.

 

I do think a single bid backed by one or two people with sufficient funds will work out better than one backed by 3000 fans, but it's entirely right that we prepare for the potential eventuality where the latter becomes the only viable option.

[Matthew Le God]

This really isn't going to work even as a back up plan.

[Nineteen Canteen]

I accept your views biut if it comes down to a choice between a fan consortium or no consortium , I know where I would like us to be.... and it ain't with AFC Saints!!!

 

True ( I will never a support a derivative of Saints) but it may be time to acknowledge defeat and turn off the life support. Watching this unravel would me many times worse than witnessing the past 5 years and some gullible fans could lose money they could ill afford to lose.

 

On another and less popular note I could not contribute to a cause knowing that I was likely joining a group whose membership would likely consist of people who helped contribute to the clubs downfall by staying away for whatever reason other than those non-footballing reasons that may affect us all from time to time, health, economy, family, etc.

 

They talk of being able to raise £15m but all we needed over the past season and half again the season before was for about 5,000 fans to buy a ticket for home games for £26. That would have contributed £3m and in line with the cost cuts this season alone and about £1.5m the season before. That would have reduced Barclays exposure in half or more and whilst there is little value in lamenting the what ifs and if onlys it does augur well for this proposal. Even in desperate times I think £15m is a gross over statement of realistic expectations and is no more than a token gesture and by many of those who helped leave the stable door open in the first place.

 

If this is the best we have in terms of a fallback plan or god forbid our only option, well Tame we both know where this is heading. Its a stay of execution and nothing else and for the sake of those gullible enough to waste their money and contribute then euthanasia is probably the best option for a once great club.

[ottery st mary]

Recognise the work that must have gone into all this and all credit where it's due. Not surprisngly, its not something I can support having contributed thousands of pounds to the club's coffers over the years and to think we could have supported a cure whilst the patient was alive and under our care. I now find it very difficult to stand alongside those who support Derry whilst openly admitting they turned their backs on the club.

 

At the moment I am hoping Duncan's known consortium comes through or backing any other worthy bid. If it comes to relying on SOS the way I see it the club will be liquidated and AFC Saints here we come - no thanks. Eastleigh, Basingstoke, Salisbury or Aldershot for me, but football will never quite be the same.

 

Good luck with it Derry your efforts deserve recognition at least but we need to look to those fans who failed to renew ST's back in March last year before Lowe had returned and then those who jumped on the stay away band wagon. Its going to take a while to forgive them.

 

:^o:^o:^o:^o

[SaintRobbie]

The Echo is launching our saveoursaints appeal to complement the sticky on here. At the moment the appeal is being put forward with the same basis, asking for contact details and a pledged sum, as a fall back position, or a backup in the event of a preferred bidder being outbid. Both the thread and the saveoursaints section will continue to run in tandem.

 

Any feedback would be appreciated on the existing sticky. Just remember we are just doing our best to do something rather than talk about it. We really have no control or even know exactly what the echo are putting out tomorrow although they have told us they are being very supportive and positive. We have been told that it will be both on the front page and inside pages.

 

This is really to ensure that there is a structure in place with the public aware with the support of the media, that in the event of no acceptable bid we are in a position to be able to mount a rescue without delay.

 

I think this serves only one important purpose given the names now being linked to serious bids for the club... it keeps the club in the media spotlight at an important time and provides the world with one very important and serious message: This is a club with a huge fanbase that cares. A fan base that turn out despite the manager and his team and pack SMS when times are tough. A fan base that packed SMS in the Premiership and will again.

 

This is a club worth buying - and its party due to acts like this this which demonstrate the true potential of this club.

 

Nice one!

[Fitzhugh Fella]

This really isn't going to work even as a back up plan.

 

 

But is, as sure as hell, better than nothing.

 

Sure we would all rather a decent, trustworthy and wealthy consortium take us over but if that doesn't happen then should we all just call it a day?

[Nineteen Canteen]

Spot on.

 

I do think a single bid backed by one or two people with sufficient funds will work out better than one backed by 3000 fans, but it's entirely right that we prepare for the potential eventuality where the latter becomes the only viable option.

 

The question Steve is whether its our only option or our only viable option. Its not viable the figures don't stack up or reflect our past attendances given we would be in League 1 or making rapid headway towards it. If nothing else they need to appoint a leader a figurehead of real kudos and energy instead of some (with respect) faceless and unknown to many bloggers. Apart from tickets we have no idea of policy and yet they expect pledges?

 

I'll pledge thousands today and a run a mile tomorrow if someone I mistrust or believe is inappropriate for the 'chairman' role is selected. Are there any regulatory issues with regard to this structure as it could be deemed a licence to actually take monies from the blind faithful for the thing to fail in the not to distant future. How safe is my investment? Where would my cash be held in the interim and how would I know if it has been segregated pending my investment? A concern many will have when they are scraping the barrell to invest.

 

3000 fans to provide £15m of Capital? Thats a chunky average investment unless they have some very wealthy benefactors willing to make up at least half of this amount. To be honest it would be better to align ourselves with the Sainst Trust because love them or loathe them at least they are established and at least know the pitfalls of some of the things SOS is trying to overcome. In fact not to unite with them is complete folly and questions the motives behind all this if its not so much 'fancentric' as egocentric'.

[Nineteen Canteen]

:^o:^o:^o:^o

 

Your conribution is as erudite as usual OSM. How much will you be pledging to the cause?

[SaintRobbie]

 

Good luck with it Derry your efforts deserve recognition at least but we need to look to those fans who failed to renew ST's back in March last year before Lowe had returned and then those who jumped on the stay away band wagon. Its going to take a while to forgive them.

 

Its statements like that last line that really do infuriate me about you. You are in sum an extremely bitter fan, humiliated as he has been shown to back a foolish chairman, lacking in foresight and certainly NOT in touch with the reality of how a fan-base for any football club is put together. To be honest its fans like YOU who failed to challenge Lowe that have lead us into League 1 - not by attending but by posting such inflamatory and Lowe-supporting statements on this messageboard. You do nothing other than encourage people like Lowe to continue. And he has for a season longer than was necessary and has led us into League1 with a League 2 team. Thank god we have some serious buyers coming in.

 

I think you're close to Lowe, always have been... your history of posts demonstrates this. But regardless, people like YOU 19 have contributed more to the failure of Lowe's policies this season than any stay away fan. You're no diehard, moral highground fan, you've been a significant part of the problem... now happily evicted forever.

 

 

I dont mind opinion - I love debate. I just wanted to point out that people like YOU have contributed far more to our position by supporting Lowe so vocally than any fan who stayed away and gave Barclays the opportunity to finally sack Lowe forever.

 

Onwards and upwards from next season... now your hero has left and optimism has returned.

[dubai_phil]

Derry and others - your concept of doing this as an insurance plan is excellent and well done.

 

19C makes a valid point. However the days of politics have now passed while we are in "The Phoney War"

 

Many have valid reasons not to make any form of pledge, be it a political stand, a personal finance stand or their ex wife's divorce lawyer being a c**k.

 

You guys are stars but may I also honestly say that I hope that your work is a total waste of time for anything other than insurance purposes and that a successful conclusion is reached before we need to step up and do this.

 

If it DOES come down to extinction avoidance then hopefully you will have bought a few more days of time for the many wise and connected people on here to pull in any favours or advice they can.

 

But guys - in the name of all we hold sacred with our club - avoid politics and political animals!

[SaintRobbie]

But is, as sure as hell, better than nothing.

 

Sure we would all rather a decent, trustworthy and wealthy consortium take us over but if that doesn't happen then should we all just call it a day?

 

Agreed - I think we all know it will not be needed. But, as I posted earlier it serves more to demonstrate the enthusiasm and dedication of our fanbase which makes us a sound investment for any buyer.

[Nineteen Canteen]

I think this serves only one important purpose given the names now being linked to serious bids for the club... it keeps the club in the media spotlight at an important time and provides the world with one very important and serious message: This is a club with a huge fanbase that cares. A fan base that turn out despite the manager and his team and pack SMS when times are tough. A fan base that packed SMS in the Premiership and will again.

 

This is a club worth buying - and its party due to acts like this this which demonstrate the true potential of this club.

 

Nice one!

 

Times have been tough for over 18 months now. Pretty much since Hone let it be known that without investment we would be screwed and he was right. How many times since then have we packed SMS? The danger is we as fans keep believing the type of line you peddle but to the outside world the reality is somewhat different. I think you seriously need to start finding some realistic ground on which to stand and make your pitch.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Its statements like that last line that really do infuriate me about you. You are in sum an extremely bitter fan, humiliated as he has been shown to back a foolish chairman, lacking in foresight and certainly NOT in touch with the reality of how a fan-base for any football club is put together. To be honest its fans like YOU who failed to challenge Lowe that have lead us into League 1 - not by attending but by posting such inflamatory and Lowe-supporting statements on this messageboard. You do nothing other than encourage people like Lowe to continue. And he has for a season longer than was necessary and has led us into League1 with a League 2 team. Thank god we have some serious buyers coming in.

 

I think you're close to Lowe, always have been... your history of posts demonstrates this. But regardless, people like YOU 19 have contributed more to the failure of Lowe's policies this season than any stay away fan. You're no diehard, moral highground fan, you've been a significant part of the problem... now happily evicted forever.

 

 

I dont mind opinion - I love debate. I just wanted to point out that people like YOU have contributed far more to our position by supporting Lowe so vocally than any fan who stayed away and gave Barclays the opportunity to finally sack Lowe forever.

 

Onwards and upwards from next season... now your hero has left and optimism has returned.

 

Don't understand your logic but then again never have. Is my ST money tainted with Loweness anymore than those who deliberately withheld their's.

 

I'm not sure how I contributed to the club's downfall by supporting Lowe when in reality it was the need to cut costs drastically and ultimately raise revenue that did it for the club. Lowe, Crouch, Wilde and Hone have all played a role and I have supported them all with my patronage unlike others and as seats and then rows have become empty around us and then fill up for the big games what does that really tell us? We should have gone the Reading route when building a new stadium and add a new tier when it was fully justified.

 

This club because of its size has been a victim of the money in the premeirship as much as anything else and pretty much for the last 10 years of our tenure we were punching above our weight without a Whelan, Walker, Ashley, Abramovich, Gibson etc etc. Sights need to be readdressed.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Agreed - I think we all know it will not be needed. But, as I posted earlier it serves more to demonstrate the enthusiasm and dedication of our fanbase which makes us a sound investment for any buyer.

 

But not perhaps the most important thing Robbie, UNITY.

[Matthew Le God]

But is, as sure as hell, better than nothing.

 

Sure we would all rather a decent, trustworthy and wealthy consortium take us over but if that doesn't happen then should we all just call it a day?

 

It's not better than nothing because if you are honest to yourself there is no chance of this working. It's good that people are trying to do something but this is pointless and therefore not worth the time and effort.

[Saint_Ash]

It's not better than nothing because if you are honest to yourself there is no chance of this working. It's good that people are trying to do something but this is pointless and therefore not worth the time and effort.

 

Absolutely, if the time came and there were no serious bidders and the club was going to become insolvent it's best to let it happen instead of trying anything. You'd just say "NO, don't try anything else, it's pointless, don't even try, lets just leave the club to cease to exist without trying, that's the best. I'm off to support someone else."

 

Well done.

[ottery st mary]

Your conribution is as erudite as usual OSM. How much will you be pledging to the cause?

 

 

I am offering you up as an early Guy Fawkes with a few fireworks to boot.in the middle of St Marys pitch..

Not only a sell out crowd but all the forum posters there with cans of petrol to help see you off...Now that will swell the coffers and at least we will go out with a bang if nothing else.

 

By the way who is this Kim De Whales chappie?

[Nineteen Canteen]

I am offering you up as an early Guy Fawkes with a few fireworks to boot.in the middle of St Marys pitch..

Not only a sell out crowd but all the forum posters there with cans of petrol to help see you off...Now that will swell the coffers and at least we will go out with a bang if nothing else.

 

By the way who is this Kim De Whales chappie?

 

That'll be nothing then OSM? A big fat zero and without an explanation as to why. People may not appreciate my opinions but I'm prepared to voice them and stand by them in the interest of debate and delivering the potential for other ideas to be be promoted through discussion.

 

We can't achieve a sell out whilst the club started smoking and now burns so i doubt your spectacle will achieve much.

[lenwilkins]

Recognise the work that must have gone into all this and all credit where it's due. Not surprisngly, its not something I can support having contributed thousands of pounds to the club's coffers over the years and to think we could have supported a cure whilst the patient was alive and under our care. I now find it very difficult to stand alongside those who support Derry whilst openly admitting they turned their backs on the club....

 

As a slight aside Mr Canteen, I am curious to learn whether the thousands you have contributed in the past is through tickets and merchandise or whether you are one of the clique of shareholders who were responsible for allowing Mr Lowe to bludgeon his way back into the club?

 

If it's the former, then I salute you for being a better fan than some of us who have missed the occasional match but surely you've had the entertainment that you've paid for so you haven't actually given the club anything?

 

If you are a major shareholder and a backer of Lowe, then you and the rest of your ilk deserve permanent ostracism for allowing him to return and turn the management of the club upside down and hence bring on our almost certain relegation and downfall.

 

Not hiding behind an IP number.

 

Yours

 

Len Wilkins

[um pahars]

People may not appreciate my opinions but I'm prepared to voice them and stand by them in the interest of debate and delivering the potential for other ideas to be be promoted through discussion.

 

Problem is we don't know who is turning up each time you come on here :rolleyes:

 

Will it be The Bear, slightly conservative but still aggressive

 

Flashman, the complete wind up merchant.

 

Sundance Mk I, the offensive, aggressive one, with a limited knowledge of football.

 

Sundance Mk II the rude PM'er.

 

Sundance Mk III the PM'er who admits to being on a wind up.

 

Nineteen Canteen Mk I the unreasonable one who first came on who here insulting and lying about people.

 

Nineteen Canteen Mk II the rational one, only to lose it when caught out, rumbled or outwitted.

 

Nineteen Canteen Mk III the wind up merchant.

 

 

Maybe you can have one of those signature thingys on the bottom of each post letting us know who exactly has posted.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Matthew Le God]

Absolutely, if the time came and there were no serious bidders and the club was going to become insolvent it's best to let it happen instead of trying anything. You'd just say "NO, don't try anything else, it's pointless, don't even try, lets just leave the club to cease to exist without trying, that's the best. I'm off to support someone else."

 

Well done.

 

I'm very confident someone will buy the club in the time frame. It is a wate of time and effort to do this saveoursaints campaign as there is no chance what so ever it will raise anywhere near the amount it would need in the event of no other buyer coming forward.

 

Donate cash to the club to help it in the short term until a buyer is found. But as a long term solution to the problems a fan takeover is a complete non starter and won't happen even if there were no other bidders due to the figures required.

[um pahars]

won't happen even if there were no other bidders due to the figures required.

 

Do you want to expand on your thinking here???

 

 

Do you think it is impossible to run this Club in the lower divisions on a self sustaining basis???

 

Or

 

Do you think it will not be possible to raise sufficient money to buty the "Club" from the Administrator???

 

Or

 

Another reason (if so then feel free to share with us)????

[derry]

Derry and others - your concept of doing this as an insurance plan is excellent and well done.

 

19C makes a valid point. However the days of politics have now passed while we are in "The Phoney War"

 

Many have valid reasons not to make any form of pledge, be it a political stand, a personal finance stand or their ex wife's divorce lawyer being a c**k.

 

You guys are stars but may I also honestly say that I hope that your work is a total waste of time for anything other than insurance purposes and that a successful conclusion is reached before we need to step up and do this.

 

If it DOES come down to extinction avoidance then hopefully you will have bought a few more days of time for the many wise and connected people on here to pull in any favours or advice they can.

 

But guys - in the name of all we hold sacred with our club - avoid politics and political animals!

 

Thanks Phil, you'll see on the MP thread, I've said no MPs and no politics. We hope we are not needed but waiting was not an option.

[derry]

There was a lot of stuff in the Echo that was not really relevant, no mention of the influence of the saints web or the contributions from here.

 

It didn't mention it was a back up initiative, however I have contacted the Echo and I think there will be some more tomorrow with the correct information.

 

Worst of all the wrong website that can't be used. The address if anybody wants to know, thanks to Steve Grant.

 

http:http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/saveoursaints

[Toomer]

NC get over it your king is dead, the fans did not turn their back on the club it was Lowe (or you) who they turned their backs on you bang on how much it has cost the club. The bottom line is Lowe cost the club by making a return as I said get over it and move on.

[sfcmick]

After today's performance gimme my money back please

[Tamesaint]

True ( I will never a support a derivative of Saints) but it may be time to acknowledge defeat and turn off the life support. ...... euthanasia is probably the best option for a once great club.

 

 

Sentiments like this demonstrate once for all why you, Sundance / Nineteen are not a true Saints fan. No real fan would harbour such sentiments let alone write them on a message board.

 

You are a phoney 19. Just admit it.