Arizona Posted 9 April, 2009 Share Posted 9 April, 2009 Considering that pointing a thermal imaging camera at at reflective surface will show you your own image*, that one's not too tricky to fathom. *This is a fact, I use thermal imaging at work. That's the thing though, it wasn't a reflection. When they pointed the camera at the surface a few seconds later it had gone. No matter what they tried, standing in different possitions with different camera angles, they couldn't recreate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 9 April, 2009 Share Posted 9 April, 2009 I'm convinced. To Nellie; I meant the ectoplasmic remains of excavating equipment, duh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeem Hardison Posted 9 April, 2009 Share Posted 9 April, 2009 If that is really ghost, why hasn't anybody been slimed? As a trained ghostbuster, I am used to seeing these sorts of things and in 90% of proved cases of paranormal activity somebody gets slimed. I'm sure Baj can corroborate these figures. We take our roles very seriously and always look for a scientific explanation before we look to suggest anything paranormal. I have investigated nearly 1000 cases and I'd say that perhaps 25 of them have resulted in a conclusion of paranormal activity. These cases are usually fairly obvious from the start, e.g. floating librarians throwing books from shelves, rivers of pink slime underneath the city, giant marshmallow men, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted 9 April, 2009 Share Posted 9 April, 2009 Randall & Hopkirk there's your proof :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 10 April, 2009 Share Posted 10 April, 2009 Please continue SL Really..? And be laughed off this forum..? Although it is all absolutely true, is documented and reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlehead Posted 10 April, 2009 Share Posted 10 April, 2009 Oh go on St Landull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 10 April, 2009 Share Posted 10 April, 2009 Oh go on St Landull. Nah Rattler. You're just the sort of person to take the p!ss. You haven't got anything original to say for yourself, and you step on anything anyone else has to offer. So I won't be biting this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 10 April, 2009 Share Posted 10 April, 2009 Lol! Shuttle**** got pwned! Well done, StLandrew! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlehead Posted 10 April, 2009 Share Posted 10 April, 2009 I can only presume that you think you saw a ghost, although you didn't, obviously. Incidentally, I would never take the p*ss or step on anything anyone has got to offer and I can't believe you said that St Landull. I trust you have suitable evidence of this, otherwise I may well have to consult my lawyer. Dippo - shut up d*cksplash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 10 April, 2009 Share Posted 10 April, 2009 Just because your favourite film is Ghost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 10 April, 2009 Share Posted 10 April, 2009 That's the thing though, it wasn't a reflection. When they pointed the camera at the surface a few seconds later it had gone. No matter what they tried, standing in different possitions with different camera angles, they couldn't recreate it. Well, it wasn't a ghost, that's for certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 10 April, 2009 Share Posted 10 April, 2009 Ponty is a ghost though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeem Hardison Posted 10 April, 2009 Share Posted 10 April, 2009 I believe in goats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 11 April, 2009 Share Posted 11 April, 2009 Well, it wasn't a ghost, that's for certain. 2,000 years ago, the Earth was certainly flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 2,000 years ago, the Earth was certainly flat. No one really believed that, certainly not educated people anyway. The Greeks were modelling the universe back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 2,000 years ago, the Earth was certainly flat. But only in Discworld. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 No one really believed that, certainly not educated people anyway. The Greeks were modelling the universe back then. I would say most people on here are about as educated on the world of the so-called 'paranormal' as Anglo-Saxon peasants were on the layout of the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeem Hardison Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 I would say most people on here are about as educated on the world of the so-called 'paranormal' as Anglo-Saxon peasants were on the layout of the universe. So basically you are suggesting that if you are uneducated it is ok to believe in ghosts. Sounds like a reasonable summation to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 So basically you are suggesting that if you are uneducated it is ok to believe in ghosts. Sounds like a reasonable summation to me. Nope. Just saying you cannot say for definite there are no such things as ghosts, as nobody knows anything about them. Sure 90% of stories can be explained by light reflecting on dust, bugs on camera lense, hallucinations from radon gas etc. but there are some which just can't be explained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 ooh, admins ganging up on me, great stuff. My nan had a ghost in her pub years ago and yes I did see it. Why are people who think like this free to walk the streets and vote in general elections? It's worrying it really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Nope. Just saying you cannot say for definite there are no such things as ghosts, as nobody knows anything about them. Yes, yes you can. Because normal people believe in logic and the laws of the Universe. When you're talking about ghosts you may as well be talking about Dragons or the Easter Bunny, ie. Something made up by man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Yes, yes you can. Because normal people believe in logic and the laws of the Universe. When you're talking about ghosts you may as well be talking about Dragons or the Easter Bunny, ie. Something made up by man. The idea that mankind knows everything about everything is just laughable IMO. Imagine trying to explain an ipod to someone 200 years ago. a little metal box which plays moving pictures and music? Don't be ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeem Hardison Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 The idea that mankind knows everything about everything is just laughable IMO. Imagine trying to explain an ipod to someone 200 years ago. a little metal box which plays moving pictures and music? Don't be ridiculous. However, there is science and logic and PROOF behind it so it is explainable, even to someone 200 years ago. You appear to be using 'ignorance' to justify a belief in ghosts. How peculiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 However, there is science and logic and PROOF behind it so it is explainable, even to someone 200 years ago. You appear to be using 'ignorance' to justify a belief in ghosts. How peculiar. Not ignorant and not a believer. Just open minded to the fact that there are many things which we still can't expalin. By your logic, nothing we can't explain, with our current knowledge of the universe, can possibly exist. There many well be a perfectly plausible, scientific explanation behind 'ghosts' but we just don't know the science behind it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 As an investigator, and not wanting to get dragged into the same argument over and over again, i always think im as worried by peoples blind belief in ghosts as i am in other peoples blind disbelief. The "200 years ago" example and based on logic and proof is rubbish kadeem, how would people of 200 years ago accept the basis of a quantum processor, indeed the very fact that quantum physics defies the standard laws of physics when applied to the sub-atomic level. There was no basis of fact for this 200 years ago and it would have been as quickly dismissed as you dismiss the potential of ghosts now. I'm not saying "believe", I'm saying "dont be so bloody close-minded" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 However, there is science and logic and PROOF behind it so it is explainable, even to someone 200 years ago. You appear to be using 'ignorance' to justify a belief in ghosts. How peculiar. There is Now KH, but there no way whatsoever that you could travel back in a time machine 200 years and even find the raw materials to make one, you would be locked up either in jail or in an asylum. If your theory is so strong then please give us one example of something that is not in existance today that will be common place in the future. You cannot say a time maachine cos I have the only one ever made, and will use it to sheck your suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 If ghosts don't exist, how do you explain this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N1MmISJXRI&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick1579 Posted 14 April, 2009 Share Posted 14 April, 2009 By definition you cannot prove a negative. . I walk into a room. I don't think anybody* is in there. I look around and confirm it. Negative proved. As for you Ponty (who sounds far too opinionated to be an administrator, but that's another argument), you do have to prove it, because it is you who first come out with the bold sweeping generalisation. Like Baj said, stop being so closed-minded, you're sounding extremely ignorant. I, like many am undecided (as I have no proof) either way. Interesting debate though (when you ignore the immature posts that it quickly becomes evident aren't worth reading like Mr "Ghostbuster"'s). * Ignoring ghosts, of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 14 April, 2009 Share Posted 14 April, 2009 I walk into a room. I don't think anybody* is in there. I look around and confirm it. Negative proved. As for you Ponty (who sounds far too opinionated to be an administrator, but that's another argument), you do have to prove it, because it is you who first come out with the bold sweeping generalisation. Like Baj said, stop being so closed-minded, you're sounding extremely ignorant. I, like many am undecided (as I have no proof) either way. Interesting debate though (when you ignore the immature posts that it quickly becomes evident aren't worth reading like Mr "Ghostbuster"'s). * Ignoring ghosts, of course I'm not very often highly opinionated on the sort of thing that requires an open-mind, but I do believe that the onus of proof is firmly on the believer in this instance. It's not the same as 'faith', I never berate religious people - despite being a firm athiest - nor do I take the p**s or mock them, but ghosts aren't about 'faith' per sé. This is more akin to believing in Goblins, Orcs, Fairies, Genies, talking trees, Dragons, Elves and Pixies... All in my humble opinion of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 14 April, 2009 Share Posted 14 April, 2009 I'm not very often highly opinionated on the sort of thing that requires an open-mind, but I do believe that the onus of proof is firmly on the believer in this instance. It's not the same as 'faith', I never berate religious people - despite being a firm athiest - nor do I take the p**s or mock them, but ghosts aren't about 'faith' per sé. This is more akin to believing in Goblins, Orcs, Fairies, Genies, talking trees, Dragons, Elves and Pixies... All in my humble opinion of course. Only if you generalise all unexplained entities into one 'make-believe' group. There have been, as far as I know, no credible reports of any of the creatures you mention. Ghosts on the other hand have been reported accross the world for decades by many credible sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jillyanne Posted 14 April, 2009 Share Posted 14 April, 2009 I don't even know what the hell an 'Orc' is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 14 April, 2009 Share Posted 14 April, 2009 Only if you generalise all unexplained entities into one 'make-believe' group. There have been, as far as I know, no credible reports of any of the creatures you mention. Ghosts on the other hand have been reported accross the world for decades by many credible sources. That seems fair. We agree then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 14 April, 2009 Share Posted 14 April, 2009 As for you Ponty (who sounds far too opinionated to be an administrator, but that's another argument) I forgot to say; Welcome to the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 14 April, 2009 Share Posted 14 April, 2009 That seems fair. We agree then? I see you've conveniently left gremelins out of that list. No doubt they make handy scapegoats when one of you F1 cars breaks down. :-k Hypocrit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlehead Posted 14 April, 2009 Share Posted 14 April, 2009 I, like many am undecided (as I have no proof) If I said that somewhere in space there is a teapot orbiting the Earth...as you have no proof, would you also be undecided about that as well? Obviously if you do have proof then let me know and I will come up with something else completely ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 14 April, 2009 Share Posted 14 April, 2009 I don't even know what the hell an 'Orc' is? Ask Pancak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 14 April, 2009 Share Posted 14 April, 2009 I see you've conveniently left gremelins out of that list. No doubt they make handy scapegoats when one of you F1 cars breaks down. :-k Hypocrit. Was it a ghost which stole the "e" from the end of "hypocrite" and deposited it in the middle of "gremlins"? Seriously, Ari', I agree that a lot of things have been left unexplained, but that doesn't mean that the only explanation is therefore ethereal spirits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 14 April, 2009 Share Posted 14 April, 2009 Was it a ghost which stole the "e" from the end of "hypocrite" and deposited it in the middle of "gremlins"? Seriously, Ari', I agree that a lot of things have been left unexplained, but that doesn't mean that the only explanation is therefore ethereal spirits. No, that was Wordy from 'Look And Read', and his 'magic, magic e...' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 14 April, 2009 Share Posted 14 April, 2009 Was it a ghost which stole the "e" from the end of "hypocrite" and deposited it in the middle of "gremlins"? Seriously, Ari', I agree that a lot of things have been left unexplained, but that doesn't mean that the only explanation is therefore ethereal spirits. Thr's a tim dlay on my 'E' ky. And I nvr said it was thral spirits. Just that it is possibl that ghosts as an ntity could xist. Whthr thy ar causd by unxplaind lctromagntic forcs, som form of unusual nrgy which is stord in buildings or just p*ssd off spirits of the undad, I cannot say. eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustapha Fag Posted 14 April, 2009 Share Posted 14 April, 2009 If I said that somewhere in space there is a teapot orbiting the Earth...as you have no proof, would you also be undecided about that as well? Obviously if you do have proof then let me know and I will come up with something else completely ridiculous. Hello Trystan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick1579 Posted 15 April, 2009 Share Posted 15 April, 2009 If I said that somewhere in space there is a teapot orbiting the Earth...as you have no proof, would you also be undecided about that as well? Obviously if you do have proof then let me know and I will come up with something else completely ridiculous. I am undecided as there seems credible evidence/discussion/investigation into the existence. For example this (and countless others) discussion, TV shows/books/stories etc. Came across many orbiting teapot debates recently have you? Looking forward to your "even more ridiculous" next example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 15 April, 2009 Share Posted 15 April, 2009 If I said that somewhere in space there is a teapot orbiting the Earth...as you have no proof, would you also be undecided about that as well? Obviously if you do have proof then let me know and I will come up with something else completely ridiculous. Is there any evidence or eyewitness accounts anywhere to suggest there is a giant teapot orbiting the Earth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick1579 Posted 15 April, 2009 Share Posted 15 April, 2009 So now the teapot is GIANT eh? This is getting out of control! this is how conspiracy theories start! heee hee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 15 April, 2009 Share Posted 15 April, 2009 Is there any evidence or eyewitness accounts anywhere to suggest there is a giant teapot orbiting the Earth? HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 15 April, 2009 Share Posted 15 April, 2009 It seems both me and rattly stand corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 15 April, 2009 Share Posted 15 April, 2009 Who uses teapots nowadays anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeem Hardison Posted 15 April, 2009 Share Posted 15 April, 2009 (when you ignore the immature posts that it quickly becomes evident aren't worth reading like Mr "Ghostbuster"'s) Bit harsh. Baj is an excellent contributor to this forum as well as being a well-respected member of the ghostbusting community. He doesn't get paid to run this forum, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy_Saint Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 Would be interesting to see how many people staying a night in a hotel after being told its haunted claim to have heard or seen strange things in the night compared to people who had stayed there completely oblivious. I bet you that almost all the people who didnt know it was supposed to be haunted wouldn't see or hear a thing while those who knew would be alert to even the slightest noise, the creak of a floor board, radiator settling and be prepared to put it down to signs of 'ghostly' behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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