miserableoldgit Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Ghost-Captured-On-CCTV-At-Croxteth-Hall-Liverpool/Article/200904115257658 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Clearly not, as there is no such thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeem Hardison Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Looks like a leaf/feather floating down in front of the camera to me. Note how its path is also that of gravity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Indeed, one of the least convincing "ghost" images ever. Some people are bleedin' stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jillyanne Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Clearly not, as there is no such thing. prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 prove it. I think the onus of proof is firmly in the lap of the believers but I'll get the ball rolling... How come no one ever sees ghosts of people from before the 16th Century or so? Where are all the caveman ghosts, the Picks, the Celts, even the Romans? No, they're always bloody Elizabethan footmen or Georgian noblemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 prove it. By definition you cannot prove a negative. However let's put the ball in your court and ask you for proof that ghosts do, in fact, exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 8 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 8 April, 2009 I think the onus of proof is firmly in the lap of the believers but I'll get the ball rolling... How come no one ever sees ghosts of people from before the 16th Century or so? Where are all the caveman ghosts, the Picks, the Celts, even the Romans? No, they're always bloody Elizabethan footmen or Georgian noblemen. Perhaps they`re dead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jillyanne Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 ooh, admins ganging up on me, great stuff. My nan had a ghost in her pub years ago and yes I did see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 No, she didn't, and no, you didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jillyanne Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 No, she didn't, and no, you didn't. Prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 I really don't need to. If you can prove to me that you did I'm honest enough to apologise and change my stance on all things ethereal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jillyanne Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 I really don't need to. If you can prove to me that you did I'm honest enough to apologise and change my stance on all things ethereal. As an eight year old, I didn't carry a camera about tbf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 No proof then? Shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Not that a photograph is proof anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jillyanne Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 As far as I am concerned I don't need to prove it to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Then why do you feel that I need to prove they don't exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 As an eight year old, I didn't carry a camera about tbf. 8 year old in seeing make believe people non shocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Ghost-Captured-On-CCTV-At-Croxteth-Hall-Liverpool/Article/200904115257658 It's a spider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jillyanne Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 8 year old in seeing make believe people non shocker. Lol, an 8 yr old with a 40 something year old next to her NON shocker even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Lol, an 8 yr old with a 40 something year old next to her NON shocker even. Grand parent playing along with 8 year old's make believe friends non shocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Lol, an 8 yr old with a 40 something year old next to her NON shocker even. Always with the Michael Jackson anecdotes :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlehead Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 I cannot believe anyone over 8 years old actually believes in, and seriously claims to have genuinely seen, ghosts. Some form of 'irony'/joke will almost certainly be claimed when it all ends in tears for Jillstain. Oh dear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Not that a photograph is proof anyway. So if you don't consider photographs to be 'proof', what evidence would you accept as genuine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 As a ghost investigator, i would say thats 99.99% a moth on the lense of the camera. (the 00.01% reserved for that fact it MIGHT be... a winged ant). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 So if you don't consider photographs to be 'proof', what evidence would you accept as genuine? Erm... Seeing one for myself would be a good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 I would rule out the moth theory, it doesn't move correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 I would rule out the moth theory, it doesn't move correctly. As winged ants are out of season that only leaves a ghost as the only possible explanation. I stand corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeem Hardison Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 I'm a fully qualified ghostbuster and agree with Baj that it is clearly a moth. We come across these sorts of things all the time in the ghostbusting community. That sort of image can be easily dismissed with an ecto-filter on the camera. I'm sure Baj will agree that this really isn't worth wasting a proton pack on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Just a thieving scally who's had too much readybrek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Since this is a serious discussion, or at least trying to be, can we leave it in the lounge please (which ever mod it was that moved it) thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 That'd be me. I'm now going to seriously consider the possibility of a thief, charged on Readybrek, stealing out of the woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 8 year old in seeing make believe people non shocker. In pub... Your Nan was well out of order getting you ****ed up in her own pub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Seriously folki, there are ghosts at Oxney Bottom, between Deal and Dover. http://www.robertsplace.ca/oxney/oxneyghosts.htm There are even some proper vids on Youtube of people walking throught the woods and you can hear the ghost make noises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Seriously folki, there are ghosts at Oxney Bottom, between Deal and Dover. http://www.robertsplace.ca/oxney/oxneyghosts.htm There are even some proper vids on Youtube of people walking throught the woods and you can hear the ghost make noises. Conclusive, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Conclusive, IMO. Thank you Ponty, a fellow believer. Let's hold hans. I would wager anyone five guineas that they would not nay could not spend the night in those woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperm_john Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 I dont want to believe in them because I think it opens up other doors which confuse me, but in terms of things that ive seen, heard and have happened in my house and locally, im not convinced they dont exist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 The house that I now live in is haunted ie the ghost of a former resident lives here. I know this cos she told me, and I had it confirmed by the previous woner 2 years after we moved here. Our 'stories' were identical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Every pub I've run has allegedly had a ghost. How come they've never come and introduced themselves to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 If I can be frank DSM, you are a bit scary. Of course we know that you are probably a very amiable man behind the mask. Ghosts in pubs though? Erm, a lot of people have been killed in pubs around a certain period of our history. Pubs were very dangerous places to frequent at one time. (still are in Portsmouth). As the most 'popular' theorists associate ghost as having been of people who have died before their natural time. This would fit in perfectly with the ghosts in pubs phenonomum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Used to watch a programme called Ghost Hunters when I lived in the states. They took everything from a very sceptical, scientific point of view and were able to dispell most hoaxes and illusions. There were a couple however that had them completely confused. The most baffling incident I saw was a human shaped outline on a thermal imaging camera, which was definitely not caused by any of the people in the room (a cellar). It appeared in front of a metal cabinet and vanished after only a couple of seconds. Too hot and eratic to be just a draught, too cold to be a person. They tried to recreate it using reflections etc. but were unable. There was nothing inside the cabinet capable of generating heat. Even the most sceptical members of the team were completely at a loss to explain it as anything other than an apparition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 I could tell you about my Close Encounter..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 ...I saw was a human shaped outline on a thermal imaging camera, which was definitely not caused by any of the people in the cellar. Have you stored many bodies in your cellar Arizona? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 I could tell you about my Close Encounter..! Please continue SL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 9 April, 2009 Share Posted 9 April, 2009 Have you stored many bodies in your cellar Arizona? Oops, doesn't read too well does it. Edited now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 9 April, 2009 Share Posted 9 April, 2009 Oops, doesn't read too well does it. Edited now. Yeah, much better now. Reads like you wrote "(a cellar)" for added dramatic effect now. Still reads like a confession imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 9 April, 2009 Share Posted 9 April, 2009 Used to watch a programme called Ghost Hunters when I lived in the states. They took everything from a very sceptical, scientific point of view and were able to dispell most hoaxes and illusions. There were a couple however that had them completely confused. The most baffling incident I saw was a human shaped outline on a thermal imaging camera, which was definitely not caused by any of the people in the room (a cellar). It appeared in front of a metal cabinet and vanished after only a couple of seconds. Too hot and eratic to be just a draught, too cold to be a person. They tried to recreate it using reflections etc. but were unable. There was nothing inside the cabinet capable of generating heat. Even the most sceptical members of the team were completely at a loss to explain it as anything other than an apparition. Considering that pointing a thermal imaging camera at at reflective surface will show you your own image*, that one's not too tricky to fathom. *This is a fact, I use thermal imaging at work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 9 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 April, 2009 Thank you Ponty, a fellow believer. Let's hold hans. I would wager anyone five guineas that they would not nay could not spend the night in those woods. I am sure Hans would enjoy that! I have never seen a ghost (as far as I am aware) but I did have a "paranormal" experience a few years ago, so I am very open minded about these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted 9 April, 2009 Share Posted 9 April, 2009 I think the onus of proof is firmly in the lap of the believers but I'll get the ball rolling... How come no one ever sees ghosts of people from before the 16th Century or so? Where are all the caveman ghosts, the Picks, the Celts, even the Romans? No, they're always bloody Elizabethan footmen or Georgian noblemen. Are the Picks of which you speak a close tribal relation of the fearsome Picts, or possibly a clan of plectrum-hurling warriors from north of the border? If you had ever been on a ghost walk in the haunted city of York, you would know that it has a rich and varied range of ghosts, including Roman and Viking. All ficticious, but a good selection of made up ghosts, none the less. Agree about proof being the burden of fantasists. In all the years of photography, not one satisfactory image exists that can categorically prove, beyond doubt, the existence of anything supernatural. Funny that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draino76 Posted 9 April, 2009 Share Posted 9 April, 2009 I think the onus of proof is firmly in the lap of the believers but I'll get the ball rolling... How come no one ever sees ghosts of people from before the 16th Century or so? Where are all the caveman ghosts, the Picks, the Celts, even the Romans? No, they're always bloody Elizabethan footmen or Georgian noblemen. Maybe they only have a 500-1000 year life span. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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