miserableoldgit Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Ghost-Captured-On-CCTV-At-Croxteth-Hall-Liverpool/Article/200904115257658
Kadeem Hardison Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 Looks like a leaf/feather floating down in front of the camera to me. Note how its path is also that of gravity.
Ponty Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 Indeed, one of the least convincing "ghost" images ever. Some people are bleedin' stupid.
Jillyanne Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 Clearly not, as there is no such thing. prove it.
Ponty Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 prove it. I think the onus of proof is firmly in the lap of the believers but I'll get the ball rolling... How come no one ever sees ghosts of people from before the 16th Century or so? Where are all the caveman ghosts, the Picks, the Celts, even the Romans? No, they're always bloody Elizabethan footmen or Georgian noblemen.
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 prove it. By definition you cannot prove a negative. However let's put the ball in your court and ask you for proof that ghosts do, in fact, exist.
miserableoldgit Posted 8 April, 2009 Author Posted 8 April, 2009 I think the onus of proof is firmly in the lap of the believers but I'll get the ball rolling... How come no one ever sees ghosts of people from before the 16th Century or so? Where are all the caveman ghosts, the Picks, the Celts, even the Romans? No, they're always bloody Elizabethan footmen or Georgian noblemen. Perhaps they`re dead!
Jillyanne Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 ooh, admins ganging up on me, great stuff. My nan had a ghost in her pub years ago and yes I did see it.
Ponty Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 I really don't need to. If you can prove to me that you did I'm honest enough to apologise and change my stance on all things ethereal.
Jillyanne Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 I really don't need to. If you can prove to me that you did I'm honest enough to apologise and change my stance on all things ethereal. As an eight year old, I didn't carry a camera about tbf.
Jillyanne Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 As far as I am concerned I don't need to prove it to you.
Ponty Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 Then why do you feel that I need to prove they don't exist?
Weston Super Saint Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 As an eight year old, I didn't carry a camera about tbf. 8 year old in seeing make believe people non shocker.
Weston Super Saint Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Ghost-Captured-On-CCTV-At-Croxteth-Hall-Liverpool/Article/200904115257658 It's a spider.
Jillyanne Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 8 year old in seeing make believe people non shocker. Lol, an 8 yr old with a 40 something year old next to her NON shocker even.
Weston Super Saint Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 Lol, an 8 yr old with a 40 something year old next to her NON shocker even. Grand parent playing along with 8 year old's make believe friends non shocker
Ponty Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 Lol, an 8 yr old with a 40 something year old next to her NON shocker even. Always with the Michael Jackson anecdotes :roll:
Rattlehead Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 I cannot believe anyone over 8 years old actually believes in, and seriously claims to have genuinely seen, ghosts. Some form of 'irony'/joke will almost certainly be claimed when it all ends in tears for Jillstain. Oh dear.
Sheaf Saint Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 Not that a photograph is proof anyway. So if you don't consider photographs to be 'proof', what evidence would you accept as genuine?
Baj Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 As a ghost investigator, i would say thats 99.99% a moth on the lense of the camera. (the 00.01% reserved for that fact it MIGHT be... a winged ant).
Ponty Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 So if you don't consider photographs to be 'proof', what evidence would you accept as genuine? Erm... Seeing one for myself would be a good start.
Junction 9 Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 I would rule out the moth theory, it doesn't move correctly.
Ponty Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 I would rule out the moth theory, it doesn't move correctly. As winged ants are out of season that only leaves a ghost as the only possible explanation. I stand corrected.
Kadeem Hardison Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 I'm a fully qualified ghostbuster and agree with Baj that it is clearly a moth. We come across these sorts of things all the time in the ghostbusting community. That sort of image can be easily dismissed with an ecto-filter on the camera. I'm sure Baj will agree that this really isn't worth wasting a proton pack on.
The Majestic Channon Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 Just a thieving scally who's had too much readybrek
Baj Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 Since this is a serious discussion, or at least trying to be, can we leave it in the lounge please (which ever mod it was that moved it) thanks
Ponty Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 That'd be me. I'm now going to seriously consider the possibility of a thief, charged on Readybrek, stealing out of the woods.
hamster Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 8 year old in seeing make believe people non shocker. In pub... Your Nan was well out of order getting you ****ed up in her own pub.
hamster Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 Seriously folki, there are ghosts at Oxney Bottom, between Deal and Dover. http://www.robertsplace.ca/oxney/oxneyghosts.htm There are even some proper vids on Youtube of people walking throught the woods and you can hear the ghost make noises.
Ponty Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 Seriously folki, there are ghosts at Oxney Bottom, between Deal and Dover. http://www.robertsplace.ca/oxney/oxneyghosts.htm There are even some proper vids on Youtube of people walking throught the woods and you can hear the ghost make noises. Conclusive, IMO.
hamster Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 Conclusive, IMO. Thank you Ponty, a fellow believer. Let's hold hans. I would wager anyone five guineas that they would not nay could not spend the night in those woods.
sperm_john Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 I dont want to believe in them because I think it opens up other doors which confuse me, but in terms of things that ive seen, heard and have happened in my house and locally, im not convinced they dont exist
hamster Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 The house that I now live in is haunted ie the ghost of a former resident lives here. I know this cos she told me, and I had it confirmed by the previous woner 2 years after we moved here. Our 'stories' were identical.
Weston Super Saint Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 Every pub I've run has allegedly had a ghost. How come they've never come and introduced themselves to me?
hamster Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 If I can be frank DSM, you are a bit scary. Of course we know that you are probably a very amiable man behind the mask. Ghosts in pubs though? Erm, a lot of people have been killed in pubs around a certain period of our history. Pubs were very dangerous places to frequent at one time. (still are in Portsmouth). As the most 'popular' theorists associate ghost as having been of people who have died before their natural time. This would fit in perfectly with the ghosts in pubs phenonomum.
Arizona Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 Used to watch a programme called Ghost Hunters when I lived in the states. They took everything from a very sceptical, scientific point of view and were able to dispell most hoaxes and illusions. There were a couple however that had them completely confused. The most baffling incident I saw was a human shaped outline on a thermal imaging camera, which was definitely not caused by any of the people in the room (a cellar). It appeared in front of a metal cabinet and vanished after only a couple of seconds. Too hot and eratic to be just a draught, too cold to be a person. They tried to recreate it using reflections etc. but were unable. There was nothing inside the cabinet capable of generating heat. Even the most sceptical members of the team were completely at a loss to explain it as anything other than an apparition.
hamster Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 ...I saw was a human shaped outline on a thermal imaging camera, which was definitely not caused by any of the people in the cellar. Have you stored many bodies in your cellar Arizona?
hamster Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 I could tell you about my Close Encounter..! Please continue SL
Arizona Posted 9 April, 2009 Posted 9 April, 2009 Have you stored many bodies in your cellar Arizona? Oops, doesn't read too well does it. Edited now.
hamster Posted 9 April, 2009 Posted 9 April, 2009 Oops, doesn't read too well does it. Edited now. Yeah, much better now. Reads like you wrote "(a cellar)" for added dramatic effect now. Still reads like a confession imho.
Ponty Posted 9 April, 2009 Posted 9 April, 2009 Used to watch a programme called Ghost Hunters when I lived in the states. They took everything from a very sceptical, scientific point of view and were able to dispell most hoaxes and illusions. There were a couple however that had them completely confused. The most baffling incident I saw was a human shaped outline on a thermal imaging camera, which was definitely not caused by any of the people in the room (a cellar). It appeared in front of a metal cabinet and vanished after only a couple of seconds. Too hot and eratic to be just a draught, too cold to be a person. They tried to recreate it using reflections etc. but were unable. There was nothing inside the cabinet capable of generating heat. Even the most sceptical members of the team were completely at a loss to explain it as anything other than an apparition. Considering that pointing a thermal imaging camera at at reflective surface will show you your own image*, that one's not too tricky to fathom. *This is a fact, I use thermal imaging at work.
miserableoldgit Posted 9 April, 2009 Author Posted 9 April, 2009 Thank you Ponty, a fellow believer. Let's hold hans. I would wager anyone five guineas that they would not nay could not spend the night in those woods. I am sure Hans would enjoy that! I have never seen a ghost (as far as I am aware) but I did have a "paranormal" experience a few years ago, so I am very open minded about these things.
Nellie Posted 9 April, 2009 Posted 9 April, 2009 I think the onus of proof is firmly in the lap of the believers but I'll get the ball rolling... How come no one ever sees ghosts of people from before the 16th Century or so? Where are all the caveman ghosts, the Picks, the Celts, even the Romans? No, they're always bloody Elizabethan footmen or Georgian noblemen. Are the Picks of which you speak a close tribal relation of the fearsome Picts, or possibly a clan of plectrum-hurling warriors from north of the border? If you had ever been on a ghost walk in the haunted city of York, you would know that it has a rich and varied range of ghosts, including Roman and Viking. All ficticious, but a good selection of made up ghosts, none the less. Agree about proof being the burden of fantasists. In all the years of photography, not one satisfactory image exists that can categorically prove, beyond doubt, the existence of anything supernatural. Funny that.
Draino76 Posted 9 April, 2009 Posted 9 April, 2009 I think the onus of proof is firmly in the lap of the believers but I'll get the ball rolling... How come no one ever sees ghosts of people from before the 16th Century or so? Where are all the caveman ghosts, the Picks, the Celts, even the Romans? No, they're always bloody Elizabethan footmen or Georgian noblemen. Maybe they only have a 500-1000 year life span.
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