Rupert's still talking.. prepare to be surprised

[um pahars]

Of course it is... but why get so worked by it? Hes been doing that and playing that card for years and to be fair he has had some treatment that justifies these claims - all the duckhunter sh1te, 'hang him from the iTchen bridge' etc. UP, it would be very naive of you to believe its just a tiny few that disliked him because of his 'toffness' - there have been manyquite vocal over teh years who felt he had 'no place' in football.

 

But thats not the point really, my response would be 'so what?' What he is like as a person, his character was never a real concern of mine - just wanted him to run a club financially within its means. The fact we are so bothered by these claims as silly as they are, seems disproportionate to me... You do seem rather sensitive and easily 'insulted' UP ;-)

 

And its sentiments such as these emotive words as 'insulted' etc that have been used so oftten publically on sites such as these almost deliberately to try and 'spin' a story - and it does not escape the eye that this can be advantageous to certain pOVs.... but are you really so 'hurt' by it? Does it really bother you and 'thousands' of saints fans? I cant believe you are so sensitive to such irrelevence really.

 

I'm split between thinking what a complete twt he is if he really thinks that is the primary reason for people disliking him, wondering if he really is delusional and how lucky we are to be rid of him, wondering whether he is on a deliberate Sundance style wind up or thinking if that's really how he believes many supporters think, then how the hell did we survive so long with that type of attitude.

 

How did he ever manage to conivnce people that he should come back????

[ART]

I have to scratch my head in dismay when I see all these claims and conterclaims, denials of blame. Lowe claims he's not responsable for the wasting of money but there is one of the biggest wastes of club money that has, as far as I know, never been used as ammuniation to hit back at his claims. We all know about Delgado, about how much was written off, but has anyone done as tally of how much was wasted on compensation and confidentiality clauses to all the managers, coaches, even players that Lowe removed during his tenure. I'd bet that it makes a whole lot more than the amount wasted during his absence from the boardroom. Anyone know how much? Must be a tidy sum and could even believe the clubs still paying out to some individuals to keep them silent.

[Weston Super Saint]

Of course it is... but why get so worked by it?

 

Maybe people get annoyed by it because it shows that he either doesn't know the real reason why people don't want him at the club - he's not very good at his job - or he knows the real reason but is too arrogant to give a monkeys???

[um pahars]

Maybe people get annoyed by it because it shows that he either doesn't know the real reason why people don't want him at the club - he's not very good at his job - or he knows the real reason but is too arrogant to give a monkeys???

 

Exactumundo!!!!!

 

And I'm not sure which ine is worse (probably the latter for me if I had to choose).

[Crab Lungs]

I'm split between thinking what a complete twt he is if he really thinks that is the primary reason for people disliking him, wondering if he really is delusional and how lucky we are to be rid of him, wondering whether he is on a deliberate Sundance style wind up or thinking if that's really how he believes many supporters think, then how the hell did we survive so long with that type of attitude.

 

How did he ever manage to conivnce people that he should come back????

 

I don't think RL's too far from the truth. He made mistakes, big ones at that but he was never ever going to be accepted by alot of the Saints fans due to his "class", sadly.

 

Saints would have went under in the summer if he hadn't have came back, and that has come from a reputable source within the club. RL gave it go, but it obviously wasn't to be, the weight of the overexpenditure from 07-08 has come crashing down upon the club's head and now we're all suffering.

 

Anyway, whatever happens at this club, so be it - you'll all probably still be fighting and squaring up to eachother in a years time, badmouthing the next unfortunate board memberts and forming your spazzy supporter groups and marching around like a group of neanderthal know-alls, hellbent on convincing themselves that we belong in the Premier League.

[um pahars]

I don't think RL's too far from the truth. He made mistakes, big ones at that but he was never ever going to be accepted by alot of the Saints fans due to his "class", sadly.

 

As has been shown on the rather parochial and insular Island of Portsea, if people deliver success than any manner of backgrounds and personality traits are soon forgotten.

 

No one had a problem when Lowe was doing well, and fair play to him, but when he went past his sell by date people began to realise he was a lost cause and a weight around the Club's neck.

 

He was called Rupert back around 2002/3 when we were successful and no one (except a rabid mnority) had a problem with his name or class back then, and the only reason he is not wanted now is for the complete opposite reasons i.e. he's not been successful.

 

The tag of Toff, Duck Off etc etc etc only then really came about when people had to start coming up with comic style insults for him.

 

Saints would have went under in the summer if he hadn't have came back, and that has come from a reputable source within the club.

 

I have heard nothing that would indicate we would have gone under last summer had Rupert not come back. Nothing whatsoever, and you can be assured that had Lowe heard the same snippet, then he would have been using it to his full advantagelast summer.

 

We had just been given the support of the Bank, maintained our Championship status and ended the season with a sell out crowd. In relative terms, there was a small ray of light peeking through the dark clouds.

 

RL gave it go, but it obviously wasn't to be,

 

Wasn't to be???? So booting out Pearson and the appointment of the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up was giving it a go and it just wasn't to be.

 

That decision cost us points on the pitch and ££££££'s off it as attendances fell.

 

Just wasn't to be:rolleyes:

[Frank's cousin]

I'm split between thinking what a complete twt he is if he really thinks that is the primary reason for people disliking him, wondering if he really is delusional and how lucky we are to be rid of him, wondering whether he is on a deliberate Sundance style wind up or thinking if that's really how he believes many supporters think, then how the hell did we survive so long with that type of attitude.

 

How did he ever manage to conivnce people that he should come back????

 

Look he is bitter now, and lets be honest we gave him in many case stick for quite some time so hes unlikely to be in the best of moods. I think if he was actually to stop and think for a moment and When I heard some of the interviews he seems to have adapted his style from really sh1te to just sh1te so maybe someone is trying to hlp his PR, he probably feels misnderstood - I know you dont like him, I probably would not either, but in his view he WAS trying to do teh best for the club, believing this was the right thing to do, so hes bound to be smarting from that to... and to be fair, I think what he is trying to address, is that if fans 'did' stay away because of him, and he believes it might have been partly due to the toofiness -afterall teh likes of Chorley and SISA were fighting a bit of a class war for quite some time after the reverse takeover, then he believes that its that which has caused fans stayed away...hes abit miffed - misguided but miffed.

 

Think he needs to get over himself - fans stayed awy for a number of reasons, yes including him, but because many are skint, many are simply not bothering with teh CCC or the dont see value in £24-28 a ticket for this level of football - I susupect that if an ST oprice had worked out at £15 a game and the average ticket prioce wa sunder £18 we would have seen 20-24k this season...

[um pahars]

Look he is bitter now' date=' and lets be honest we gave him in many case stick for quite some time so hes unlikely to be in the best of moods. I think if he was actually to stop and think for a moment and When I heard some of the interviews he seems to have adapted his style from really sh1te to just sh1te so maybe someone is trying to hlp his PR, he probably feels misnderstood -[b'] I know you dont like him[/b], I probably would not either, but in his view he WAS trying to do teh best for the club, believing this was the right thing to do, so hes bound to be smarting from that to... and to be fair, I think what he is trying to address, is that if fans 'did' stay away because of him, and he believes it might have been partly due to the toofiness -afterall teh likes of Chorley and SISA were fighting a bit of a class war for quite some time after the reverse takeover, then he believes that its that which has caused fans stayed away...hes abit miffed - misguided but miffed.

 

Think he needs to get over himself - fans stayed awy for a number of reasons, yes including him, but because many are skint, many are simply not bothering with teh CCC or the dont see value in £24-28 a ticket for this level of football - I susupect that if an ST oprice had worked out at £15 a game and the average ticket prioce wa sunder £18 we would have seen 20-24k this season...

 

I have no problem with "him" whatsoever. It's not in the slightest bit personal, I've just judged him by his results. When he did well, I praised him (cut to GM who can put hat post up from a few years back) and when he did poorly I criticised him.

 

I don't doubt for one minute he thought he was doing the right thing, and in a way that is one of hs problems, in that he is also so arrogant that he probably often thinks he knows best, only to be found wanting.

 

I'm only looking at this with reference to his performance at the Club I support. I'm sure that if i met him in a different setting he would be a fairly interesting character, but perhpas not someone I would want to go on holiday with.

 

I don't doubt that one or two class warriors have had it in for him from the off, but then there is no reason to trade off of this and try and tar us all with the same brush.

 

With every interview, he just makes it even clearer that he really has lost it.

[Crab Lungs]

 

Wasn't to be???? So booting out Pearson and the appointment of the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up was giving it a go and it just wasn't to be.

 

That decision cost us points on the pitch and ££££££'s off it as attendances fell.

 

Just wasn't to be:rolleyes:

 

Keep moving the goalposts Um, no-one will notice....

 

****ing hell...

 

..... I'll be a bit clearer. What I meant was that he gave it a go by trying to reduce the clubs debt, that debt, which had ballooned through the appointments of Hone, Dulieu, Crouch, McMenemy, Corbett etc and their rather amusing ways of stabilising the club, attracting investment and giving us a BRIGHT FUTURE. LOL... all of whom you waxed lyrical about in the past, i'm sure. The same people who probably promised you a seat on the board. LOL.

 

I'm not excusing him of the blame from relegation of the Prem, but I'm not blaming him for the ridiculous, unsustainable transfer fee's and salaries paid in the 2 years he was gone. He was very much swimming against the tide, and that would have been the case for anyone in the chairman's chair for this season.

 

 

WONKY EYES THING RIGHT BACK AT YOU, YOU LOON. :rolleyes:

[um pahars]

Keep moving the goalposts Um, no-one will notice....

 

****ing hell...

 

..... I'll be a bit clearer. What I meant was that he gave it a go by trying to reduce the clubs debt, that debt, which had ballooned through the appointments of Hone, Dulieu, Crouch, McMenemy, Corbett etc and their rather amusing ways of stabilising the club, attracting investment and giving us a BRIGHT FUTURE. LOL... all of whom you waxed lyrical about in the past, i'm sure. The same people who probably promised you a seat on the board. LOL.

 

I'm not excusing him of the blame from relegation of the Prem, but I'm not blaming him for the ridiculous, unsustainable transfer fee's and salaries paid in the 2 years he was gone. He was very much swimming against the tide, and that would have been the case for anyone in the chairman's chair for this season.

 

 

WONKY EYES THING RIGHT BACK AT YOU, YOU LOON. :rolleyes:

 

So when you were waxing lyrically about the bright future under the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up and berating me for suggesting the guy was out of his depth, what you really meant was:

 

"we're playing stylish football, but the dice have alrwady been rolled and we stand no chance, it will all soon go tts up, we might not finish the season, we will still go into administration, we're giving it a go but it ultimately it just wasn't meant to be".:^o

 

Lowe came back to save the Club, and the same people who were championing him and his Revolutionary Coaching Set Up are now saying, it was a fait accompli, the dice had already been rolled, it was never ever salvageable, this season meant nothing in reality.

[hypochondriac]

I have to agree with Steve here. About three months ago I predicted that if Lowe failed people would be saying that he didn't have a choice and that there was no other way. Sure enough...

[VectisSaint]

All games won away from home and I was at every one.

 

And ayone who dismisses Crystal Palace as not serious opposition clearly had no idea what was going on at the time. With Malcolm Allison in charge, even with his hat, they were a force to be reckoned with that season, and ended it getting promoted. Most people had us as underdogs even for the SF, though that was primarily because the media was in love with Allison. In the end it desn't matter, you can only beat the opposition of the day, doesn't matter who they are. Anyone who belittles the achievements of the 76 team really has no sense of the enormity of what they achieved against the mighty Manure, eve if they had only been promoted back to Division 1 the previous season, having finished below us the season when we were relegated.

[martel]

Taken from skysports

 

Rupert Lowe has described financially-troubled Southampton's plight as a 'tragedy' with unthinkable consequences.

 

Lowe left his role as executive chairman of Southampton Leisure Holdings PLC, the company which owns Championship club Saints, after it entered administration last week.

 

The future looks bleak for Saints, who are more than £30million in debt, but they have so far avoided a 10-point penalty which is automatically dished out to clubs entering administration.

 

Saints, who are looking for a buyer amid fears they will fold before the end of the season, believe they should avoid the deduction which has been handed to other clubs such as Leeds, Darlington, Bournemouth and Luton because the club itself is not in administration.

 

Very serious

The Football League board met on Tuesday to discuss Southampton's situation, but will reconvene once they have the findings of an independent forensic accountancy report available.

 

"It is a very serious situation," Lowe, who returned to Saints in May 2008, told Sky Sports News.

 

"For the holding company to be placed into administration itself, it's a tragedy.

 

"Obviously, if finance isn't forthcoming, the consequences really don't bear thinking about."

 

 

Love

Lowe believes the responsibility for Saints' predicament must be shared by all at the club.

 

He added: "Everybody who has been involved in the club, whether that's the board, everybody, has to bear a little bit of the blame."

 

Lowe maintains he will help Saints in any way possible and has not ruled out a future return.

 

"I wouldn't back away - if I could help I'd definitely help," he added. "Surprising as it may sound, I love the club."

 

The last sentance worries me somewhat...!

 

I don't know how many of you may remember this, but when to go ahead was given for St Mary's BBC South interviewed lowe and Cowan at the then site, one of the questions raised was along the following lines. To Lowe, so if southampton was to be relegated can the club still afford the stadium, the answer was along the following lines, Andrew (Cowan) has studied this in great depth and should that scenario take place then we can still afford to stay at St Marys. Well something went wrong their, my guess would be the massive increase in players wages that has been going on since the conception of the premier league. Some correct me if I am wrong, but I think the average wage at the beggining was 1,500 pounds per week.

[SaintDonkey]

I don't know how many of you may remember this, but when to go ahead was given for St Mary's BBC South interviewed lowe and Cowan at the then site, one of the questions raised was along the following lines. To Lowe, so if southampton was to be relegated can the club still afford the stadium, the answer was along the following lines, Andrew (Cowan) has studied this in great depth and should that scenario take place then we can still afford to stay at St Marys. Well something went wrong there, my guess would be the massive increase in players wages that has been going on since the conception of the premier league. Some correct me if I am wrong, but I think the average wage at the beggining was 1,500 pounds per week.

 

I shall be lambasted for being a Lowe luvie for saying this but isn't it a matter of public record that what went wrong was that Lowe and Cowan were ousted and spending spiralled out of control under the stewardship of those who followed?

[Lord Duckhunter]

I agree with this line in yesterday's Mail "Rupert Lowe, Southampton’s former chairman and chief executive, may have made a career of getting relegated and pointing fingers"

[um pahars]

I shall be lambasted for being a Lowe luvie for saying this but isn't it a matter of public record that what went wrong was that Lowe and Cowan were ousted and spending spiralled out of control under the stewardship of those who followed?

 

Heres how our Operating Costs stacked up for each Y/E:

 

2006 (Lowe) = £33m

 

2007 (Wilde/Hone) = £27m

 

2008 (Hone/Crouch) = £27m

 

So it's not that our costs spiralled out of control, it is that in the 2008 period we lost another tranche of income (the parachute money) and the costs were not brought down in line with that.

[Frank's cousin]

Heres how our Operating Costs stacked up for each Y/E:

 

2006 (Lowe) = £33m

 

2007 (Wilde/Hone) = £27m

 

2008 (Hone/Crouch) = £27m

 

So it's not that our costs spiralled out of control, it is that in the 2008 period we lost another tranche of income (the parachute money) and the costs were not brought down in line with that.

 

BUt Lowe would argue that in 2007-2008 we should have alreay cut back in preparation or the loss of parachute money, not brought in 7 mil of players + additional high ages in that all or nothing attempt to get promoted?

[rocknrollman no2]

Keep moving the goalposts Um, no-one will notice....

 

****ing hell...

 

..... I'll be a bit clearer. What I meant was that he gave it a go by trying to reduce the clubs debt, that debt, which had ballooned through the appointments of Hone, Dulieu, Crouch, McMenemy, Corbett etc and their rather amusing ways of stabilising the club, attracting investment and giving us a BRIGHT FUTURE. LOL... all of whom you waxed lyrical about in the past, i'm sure. The same people who probably promised you a seat on the board. LOL.

 

I'm not excusing him of the blame from relegation of the Prem, but I'm not blaming him for the ridiculous, unsustainable transfer fee's and salaries paid in the 2 years he was gone. He was very much swimming against the tide, and that would have been the case for anyone in the chairman's chair for this season.

 

 

WONKY EYES THING RIGHT BACK AT YOU, YOU LOON. :rolleyes:

 

 

Shame Rupert didnt try to reduce our debt when we were first relegated.

Sure he cut the players wages and offloaded most of our better players,but wasting money on SCW,the eye dome and Simon Clifford when it shouldve been better spent on trying to get us promoted was criminal.

Still he did save money getting rid of Pearson and bringing in the Dutch duo.Oh wait a minute it looks like we might get relegated yet again because of Lowe and his meddling.

What a great visionary and good businessman Lowe is.....ha ha ha.

[captainchris]

Lowe must stop this nonsense. Only Crouch & McMenemy can put themselves forward as 'loving' the club and ask for another go.

 

Yawn yawn.....................

[um pahars]

BUt Lowe would argue that in 2007-2008 we should have alreay cut back in preparation or the loss of parachute money' date=' not brought in 7 mil of players + additional high ages in that all or nothing attempt to get promoted?[/quote']

 

You need to be careful about dates (as you seem to have already got your meeting with Wilde date wrong;)).

 

The season you are referring to is 2006/7 which was our second season down and when we were due our final parachute payment. The common belief amongst many in football, and I think it was shared by Lowe, was that you have to get back up during the two year parachute period.

 

With the exception of perhaps £2m that summer I very much doubt that Lowe would have done anything differently. In fact, I'm sure at one point our good old friend Jonah was asking the new lot what they were doing that was so different from what lowe would have done in that first season!!!!!!

 

Lowe's last act before he left us was to commit us to £2m and a 4 year deal for Rasiak and then let it be known that Burley would be supported with a warchest that summer to rebuild and push for promotion. Doesn't really square with cutting back that you claim he would have done.

 

The problem you are referring to was the following season when Plan B was not implemented when we failed to win promotion and the parchute payment ran out.

[derry]

You need to be careful about dates (as you seem to have already got your meeting with Wilde date wrong;)).

 

The season you are referring to is 2006/7 which was our second season down and when we were due our final parachute payment. The common belief amongst many in football, and I think it was shared by Lowe, was that you have to get back up during the two year parachute period.

 

With the exception of perhaps £2m that summer I very much doubt that Lowe would have done anything differently. In fact, I'm sure at one point our good old friend Jonah was asking the new lot what they were doing that was so different from what lowe would have done in that first season!!!!!!

 

Lowe's last act before he left us was to commit us to £2m and a 4 year deal for Rasiak and then let it be known that Burley would be supported with a warchest that summer to rebuild and push for promotion. Doesn't really square with cutting back that you claim he would have done.

 

The problem you are referring to was the following season when Plan B was not implemented when we failed to win promotion and the parchute payment ran out.

 

 

If it's any consolation Steve that is my recollection too.

[dubai_phil]

LMFAO

 

On a lighter note...

 

Just watched (again) 2001 A Space Odessey on local free to air Sat channel......

 

You remember that whole bit where Dave Bowman goes in and disconnects HAL... well it sure reminded me of Rupe's

 

Dave I know you're upset at the moment

 

I still have great confidence in the mission

 

I can assure you that I feel fine now and there will be no more problems

 

I still believe I can be of great help....

 

Sad to say I smirked in a whole new way at that legendary movie, all I need now is to hear Rupe's singing Daisy and I will crack up totally

[Stepgar]

Nothing this man does would surprise me. I just don't think that we have heard or seen the last of him.

 

God I hope I am wrong.