DT Posted 7 April, 2009 Posted 7 April, 2009 Bloke on Talk Sport just now said they'd talked to the administrator - Royston Smith the deputy leader it was - about maybe using some of the millions the council has in artwork to fund a land deal. Interesting.
Pip Posted 7 April, 2009 Posted 7 April, 2009 I believe this has also been mentioned in the Echo but the council will have to be very careful as they have legal obligations to spend money on things which are for the benefit of their ratepayers and also they have certain budgetary obligations. They could argue that, arranged properly, the stadium could become a facility which would benefit Southampton ratepayers. However, it may depend on whether the art collection is part of an arts budget or capital. Also, the wheels of government work very slowly and it may take many weeks to get funds agreed etc.
Colinjb Posted 7 April, 2009 Posted 7 April, 2009 St Mary's Art Museum anyone? Heard the interview too, seemed the council official was quite serious regarding trying to safeguard '125 years' of history.
trousers Posted 7 April, 2009 Posted 7 April, 2009 St Mary's Art Museum anyone? Was just about to post the same. Could actually be a serious suggestion....
Saint Billy Posted 7 April, 2009 Posted 7 April, 2009 I believe this has also been mentioned in the Echo but the council will have to be very careful as they have legal obligations to spend money on things which are for the benefit of their ratepayers and also they have certain budgetary obligations. They could argue that, arranged properly, the stadium could become a facility which would benefit Southampton ratepayers. However, it may depend on whether the art collection is part of an arts budget or capital. Also, the wheels of government work very slowly and it may take many weeks to get funds agreed etc. They also seemed uninterested in selling the paintings etc to benefit sfc. My question is, how do these paintings benefit the ratepayers?
Gingeletiss Posted 7 April, 2009 Posted 7 April, 2009 Was just about to post the same. Could actually be a serious suggestion.... Done to death last week........nice try folks;)
Give it to Ron Posted 7 April, 2009 Posted 7 April, 2009 Is the council currently Labour or Tory ? Royston Smith is Tory http://roystonsmith.co.uk/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=2&Itemid=25
trousers Posted 7 April, 2009 Posted 7 April, 2009 Some fag packet maths... The band-C council tax for Southampton City Council is £1,074. The population (unitary and city) of Southampton is 228,600. Let's assume this equates to 76,200 households (average 3 people per house??). So, rough averaging, it receives £81,838,800 in Council Tax revenue. The outstanding mortgage on the stadium is somewhere around £25m. At 8.35% p.a. interest this gives an annual mortgage bill of c.£2,087,500 (interest only). So, for the City Council to service the mortgage, it would need to divert 'only' 2.55% of it's annual budget to 'takeover' SMS. If we assume that 2.55% of the 228,600 people living in the City of Southampton (i.e. 5,829 people) would be happy for a percentage of their council tax to be used in this way then everyone's a winner? Over to less tinpot mathematicians to blow my calculations out of the water....
Pip Posted 7 April, 2009 Posted 7 April, 2009 They also seemed uninterested in selling the paintings etc to benefit sfc. My question is, how do these paintings benefit the ratepayers? May well be that they regard them as capital/assets. All councils need to have a certain percentage of capital, but if they could buy the stadium outright you have to assume that would be counted as an asset.
Ken Tone Posted 7 April, 2009 Posted 7 April, 2009 Many councils have significant reserves. Hence some got fingers burnt, putting savings in Iclandic banks. No idea about southampton. But if they do have reserves, there is a case for making a capital purchase now that would give a rental return that might compare well with the pathetic rate of interest they'd get on money in a bank. That would cost ratepayers nothing as such. The issue would be is the money as safe as it woud be in a bank? ;-) Given the effect a successful (or even a not very successful) football club can have on a local economy there is a real case to justify such a move by the council. But I'd have thought this was the sort of move they'd take to prevent us going out of business. No point or need if a 'proper' investor comes in. K.
Legod Third Coming Posted 7 April, 2009 Posted 7 April, 2009 Why not - they spunked millions into Iceland and all those frozen vol au vents...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 April, 2009 Posted 7 April, 2009 Must be elections coming up then. they will string you all along until you have voted for them (or their candidates in whatever election it is) and then say "ah but we don't have any money". Same as all these consortiums who are always supposed to be investing or buying out the club. Talk is easy, money is much harder to come by,unless of course you're an MP and can bill the taxpayer for an already subsidised pint of lager.
bridge too far Posted 7 April, 2009 Posted 7 April, 2009 I think there are local elections on June 4th but not ALL councils participate. Some councils elect a full council once every 3 years and others elect one third (rotating) every year. I don't know if Southampton will fall in the latter category.
saint_stevo Posted 7 April, 2009 Posted 7 April, 2009 The council already use the Stadium for things (SCT use it) and probably pay rent on doing so, so maybe they can buy a portion?
Big John Posted 7 April, 2009 Posted 7 April, 2009 We need to have a few volunteers to stand in the local elections then. Save Our Saints Resolution 1. Sell artwok to the value of £20m to fund the purchase of Saint Mary's Stadium.
trousers Posted 7 April, 2009 Posted 7 April, 2009 I think there are local elections on June 4th but not ALL councils participate. Some councils elect a full council once every 3 years and others elect one third (rotating) every year. I don't know if Southampton will fall in the latter category. http://www.southampton.gov.uk/thecouncil/elections/ Timetable for Elections There are no scheduled City Council Elections for 2009. The next scheduled City Council Elections will be Thursday 6th May 2010. There is a European Parlimentary Election on Thursday 4th June 2009.
um pahars Posted 7 April, 2009 Posted 7 April, 2009 Bloke on Talk Sport just now said they'd talked to the administrator - Royston Smith the deputy leader it was - about maybe using some of the millions the council has in artwork to fund a land deal. Interesting. Are you saying Royston Smith was on the radio saying this was a possibility, or that some random bloke was on the radio saying this was a possibility?????
Sad Sam Posted 7 April, 2009 Posted 7 April, 2009 St Mary's Art Museum anyone? Heard the interview too, seemed the council official was quite serious regarding trying to safeguard '125 years' of history. Do they have any good pictures of trains?
Danny Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 I believe this has also been mentioned in the Echo but the council will have to be very careful as they have legal obligations to spend money on things which are for the benefit of their ratepayers and also they have certain budgetary obligations. They could argue that, arranged properly, the stadium could become a facility which would benefit Southampton ratepayers. However, it may depend on whether the art collection is part of an arts budget or capital. Also, the wheels of government work very slowly and it may take many weeks to get funds agreed etc. http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/politics/4263766.Could_council_buy_St_Mary_s_Stadium_/
DT Posted 8 April, 2009 Author Posted 8 April, 2009 Are you saying Royston Smith was on the radio saying this was a possibility, or that some random bloke was on the radio saying this was a possibility????? Sorry, muddled syntax written at speed. It was our Royston, not Mr Random. I hope that helps. There is an issue about how a load of art locked away worth untold millions helps the community in the way that, say, flogging off some of it to buy the ground might. I'd say you could mount a pretty watertight case for it being an effective use of funds, although there are probably some conditions to get around.
bridge too far Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 Sorry, muddled syntax written at speed. It was our Royston, not Mr Random. I hope that helps. There is an issue about how a load of art locked away worth untold millions helps the community in the way that, say, flogging off some of it to buy the ground might. I'd say you could mount a pretty watertight case for it being an effective use of funds, although there are probably some conditions to get around. I was hearing yesterday that the bottom had fallen out of the art market. Just our bloody luck
trousers Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 I was hearing yesterday that the bottom had fallen out of the fart market. Just our bloody luck I see what you did there.... © School boy humour association
SoccerMom Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 I was hearing yesterday that the bottom had fallen out of the art market. Just our bloody luck I wonder whether that's for 'new' art or for old masters etc, such as they have the gallery. I suppose it would have made sense to hold on to some of the Renaissance and 19th-cen art and sold some of the newer stuff on spec, but it's going to be the established works that are going to fetch the big bucks. I've been lucky enough to have been escorted down into the storage facility to see something that wasn't currently on display. There really is a fortune down there.
DT Posted 8 April, 2009 Author Posted 8 April, 2009 I wonder whether that's for 'new' art or for old masters etc, such as they have the gallery. I suppose it would have made sense to hold on to some of the Renaissance and 19th-cen art and sold some of the newer stuff on spec, but it's going to be the established works that are going to fetch the big bucks. I've been lucky enough to have been escorted down into the storage facility to see something that wasn't currently on display. There really is a fortune down there. We could also reap 26p if we threw in version one of the Ted statue. For a laugh.
Give it to Ron Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 Sorry, muddled syntax written at speed. It was our Royston, not Mr Random. I hope that helps. There is an issue about how a load of art locked away worth untold millions helps the community in the way that, say, flogging off some of it to buy the ground might. I'd say you could mount a pretty watertight case for it being an effective use of funds, although there are probably some conditions to get around. I wonder if these 2 things are related as posted on the LC on the Radio thread earlier this week. derry derry is offline Full Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,675 Default Quote: Originally Posted by Third Division South Days View Post On at 6.30 ready to answer listeners questions Ask him what was Royston Smith Southampton Conservative leader doing, going into SMS with him at 1630, are they putting a deal together to buy SMS. I can't because I'm at a retirement party. I'd be very interested to see how he answered.
DT Posted 8 April, 2009 Author Posted 8 April, 2009 I wonder if these 2 things are related as posted on the LC on the Radio thread earlier this week. derry derry is offline Full Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,675 Default Quote: Originally Posted by Third Division South Days View Post On at 6.30 ready to answer listeners questions Ask him what was Royston Smith Southampton Conservative leader doing, going into SMS with him at 1630, are they putting a deal together to buy SMS. I can't because I'm at a retirement party. I'd be very interested to see how he answered. Looks that way. Good sleuthing!
SoccerMom Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 We could also reap 26p if we threw in version one of the Ted statue. For a laugh. Surely it's worth more as scrap!
derry Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 I wonder if these 2 things are related as posted on the LC on the Radio thread earlier this week. derry derry is offline Full Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,675 Default Quote: Originally Posted by Third Division South Days View Post On at 6.30 ready to answer listeners questions Ask him what was Royston Smith Southampton Conservative leader doing, going into SMS with him at 1630, are they putting a deal together to buy SMS. I can't because I'm at a retirement party. I'd be very interested to see how he answered. I was talking to weston saint this morning, someone had told him that he was asked the question but denied meeting anybody from the council. However they signed in at the same time, were talking and got into the lift together. One of our group recognised him, I checked his name on the sign in sheet.
um pahars Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 I was talking to weston saint this morning, someone had told him that he was asked the question but denied meeting anybody from the council. However they signed in at the same time, were talking and got into the lift together. One of our group recognised him, I checked his name on the sign in sheet. Crouch definitely denied that it on the Radio Hampshire phone in the other night. Why would he deny it?????
trousers Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 Supporting the Saints I grew up watching the Saints standing on the terraces of the Dell with my father and brothers. I remember our 1976 FA Cup victory against Manchester United, our promotion to what was then the First Division in 1978 and travelling to Wembley for the League Cup Final against Nottingham Forest the following year. I understand what this club means to Southampton and its many fans and I sympathise with them. For those like me that have grown up in Southampton this club is part of who we are. It is part of the fabric of our great city. The City Council are supporters of the football club. Many of our staff and Councillors are season ticket holders or regular attendees. When the club does well we all do well and when the club is in trouble we all feel the pain. Obviously we are distressed at the situation the club finds itself in but there is no magic wand. The city council has finite resources. We have responsibilities to all our residents. We have to educate our children and care for our elderly and vulnerable. We have to mend our crumbling highways and keep our citizens safe in their homes and on our streets. In the past the council have been a key player in helping the club in its ambition to build the excellent ground at St Mary’s. We have assisted in the planning process and even donated a small piece of land. Recently we have been helping to find a way through the Football Club’s financial crises by talking to funders, bankers, government ministers and the South East England Development Agency (SEEDA). In the short term the club needs an injection of cash. Saturday’s match against Charlton has been discounted to £15 to encourage as many people as possible to attend. If we can get a full house for this match the club will be one step closer to survival. The Holding Company – Southampton Leisure Holdings - has now called in the Administrator and we must do everything we can to avoid the same fate happening to the club. Maximum attendance and some positive results on the pitch would preserve Southampton Football Club’s survival in the Championship this year and give it a chance of surviving into the future. The city council have arranged advertising around the city to remind people how important the club is and how important it is to turn up and support them. Times are tough. People are losing their jobs. Banks have stopped lending and there is no end in sight to this dire recession. It is unthinkable that we may lose a club with its fantastic 125 year history. Whatever has happened in the past must stay in the past and we must collectively look to the future. If we all rally behind the Saints in their hour of need we may yet save them from administration and certain relegation and start the process of getting the club back where it should be – in the Premiership. http://roystonsmith.co.uk/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=231&Itemid=2 Royston Smith is the Deputy Leader of Southampton City Council and Councillor for the Harefield Ward. He is the Cabinet Member for Economic Development. Royston also represents Southampton's interests as Vice Chairman of Hampshire Fire and Rescue Authority. He is the Conservative nomination for the Southampton (Eastleigh) Airport Consultative Panel and has served on that committee for the past 5 years. Royston is the Conservative Parliamentary candidate for the Southampton Itchen Constituency.
derry Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 Crouch definitely denied that it on the Radio Hampshire phone in the other night. Why would he deny it????? If he did it's one of two things, coincidence or he's trying to conceal something. Either way about 4.20 monday they were in the reception and were waiting to get into the lift we got out of. As we had to sign out on the previous page the only two names on the top signing in sheet were Crouch and Royston Smith. Mark recognised him anyway but couldn't place him until I supplied the name. It was definitely him. As Crouch denied meeting anyone from the council, that clearly is wrong because we saw them together.
trousers Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 If he did it's one of two things, coincidence or he's trying to conceal something. Either way about 4.20 monday they were in the reception and were waiting to get into the lift we got out of. As we had to sign out on the previous page the only two names on the top signing in sheet were Crouch and Royston Smith. Mark recognised him anyway but couldn't place him until I supplied the name. It was definitely him. As Crouch denied meeting anyone from the council, that clearly is wrong because we saw them together. Did you see anyone sign in by the name of "Beckham" or "Allen" per chance?
derry Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 Now you come to mention it there was a Jackson with a Williams and a McConnell.:smt115
trousers Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 Now you come to mention it there was a Jackson with a Williams and a McConnell.:smt115 Williams? Dan Williams? Roll back those years. We love you Rhonda. All is forgiven.
Window Cleaner Posted 8 April, 2009 Posted 8 April, 2009 or "Jackson"? (not Michael) Photocopier needed mending again then.
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