NickG Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 why don't these big heavy weights save the club LC I don't want to be a hero?? I paid £50,000 but not paying any more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 why should it be on one's shoulder, I have done enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Division South Days Posted 6 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 April, 2009 Im a little confused on the purpose for the £500000. He said initially it was needed to get through the season but was then later inferring it would ensure the club could continue after the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 Crouch wrote a cheque for £50k 3 days ago,other people who have been involved should do the same ,he states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 LC - I haven't come to talk about Lowe but to plead for money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 oi -get off my thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 Yes Nick, Leon is annoyed and kept calling the caller Mr Lowe Leon missing the point and not really answering the question. Wish I could answer a question I would ask leon if he has £2million to put in I don't think he has £2million to put in Mark Dennis needs to wind his neck in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 caller - one minute you say don't talk about others, then you say ask them for the money! MD - I think you are bonkers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 Im a little confused on the purpose for the £500000. He said initially it was needed to get through the season but was then later inferring it would ensure the club could continue after the end of the season. I think he means if we get to the end of the season then the club will be bought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 now moaning about Wilde coming in! (talking about the past) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 Is the current caller Guided Missile by any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 RL did get us relegated, but I want to talk about saving the club not talking about the past. Was coming across well but not so good at mo. Says majority fans think he has done enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 if you donate more tham £1000 will be on OS and in programme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 I think the caller is slightly deluded ref Askham,Lowe,Cowan.IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 couldn't answer where £2m he offered has gone apart from saying he has done enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 Is the current caller Guided Missile by any chance? Whoever it is, sounds like a complete plank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 I want to end by saying come on you reds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 caller - couple of months ago you said you would put £2m if MW and RL did the same, if you were good for your word why don't you pay £500k and we pay you back? LC sounded bit annoyed and said why don't you pay it, why don't you ask those who have taken millions out, - hasn't got an answer!!!!!! How is that not an answer? What he says is right. Crouch unlike Wilde and Lowe has actually not taken a penny from Southampton fc. He has put his own money into the club for various things including supposedly paying some players wages at the end of last year. Why should he have to give more to the club? In the giving stakes he has done a lot. Lowe and Wilde should be giving something back, especially Lowe after the millions he has probably pocketed for himself out of the club. Crouch has lost £1.6m in the last few weeks because of what happened. The fact he is still trying to generate money for the club amongst his contacts is great. What would happen if he didn't do that? Who would do that? The people who have a go at Crouch and Lawrie for trying to help the club i really will never understand. Why don't you donate every last penny you have to the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 So where does all this money go if we donate? Leon says Saints but surely it will go to the administrators to pay our debts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 probably got 28 days to survive THE END bye! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 How is that not an answer? What he says is right. Crouch unlike Wilde and Lowe has actually not taken a penny from Southampton fc. He has put his own money into the club for various things including supposedly paying some players wages at the end of last year. Why should he have to give more to the club? In the giving stakes he has done a lot. Lowe and Wilde should be giving something back, especially Lowe after the millions he has probably pocketed for himself out of the club. Crouch has lost £1.6m in the last few weeks because of what happened. The fact he is still trying to generate money for the club amongst his contacts is great. What would happen if he didn't do that? Who would do that? The people who have a go at Crouch and Lawrie for trying to help the club i really will never understand. Why don't you donate every last penny you have to the club? don't blame the minute taker if you don't like what was said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 probably got 28 days to survive THE END bye! Good job NickG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 Yes Nick, Leon is annoyed and kept calling the caller Mr Lowe Leon missing the point and not really answering the question. Wish I could answer a question I would ask leon if he has £2million to put in I don't think he has £2million to put in Mark Dennis needs to wind his neck in Thats because the callers name was John Lowe from Shirley, and he was standing up for Rupes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 don't blame the minute taker if you don't like what was said! So why did you say "he has no answer!!!!!"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 Wish I could answer a question I would ask leon if he has £2million to put in I don't think he has £2million to put in I would venture that he doesn't want to put the full whack in as he knows it goes straight to the administrator to pay the bills and he will never see it again. The fact is that this £500,000 is effectviely being burnt just to keep SMS ticking over, but of course the other side of not doing it is the football club getting burnt to the ground. What's interesting is that this message hasn't come from the Administrator and in the last three paragraphs of this piece Mark Fry doesn't seem as emotive as Crouch. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=11604 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 "Crouch unlike Wilde and Lowe has actually not taken a penny from Southampton fc" Correct me if I am wrong but didnt LM sell some of his shares previously? Also I would do the club ambassador bit for 75p let £75k a year. What is clear by the broadcast is crouch is a genuine fan but is being economical with the true about the boardroom shannighans Also Mark Dennis is definately a pscho on the radio as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 "Crouch unlike Wilde and Lowe has actually not taken a penny from Southampton fc" Correct me if I am wrong but didnt LM sell some of his shares previously? Also I would do the club ambassador bit for 75p let £75k a year. What is clear by the broadcast is crouch is a genuine fan but is being economical with the true about the boardroom shannighans Also Mark Dennis is definately a pscho on the radio as well You start with Crouch not taking any money unlike Wilde and Lowe and then bring in LM , WHAT has that got to do with Crouch taking no money out of club. Or is LC telling the truth and you are trying to ignore it. As i see it , misguided or not , he is trying to do something to help save the club, wheras messrs Lowe and co are trying to protect their names, and as for Askham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribbo Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 But was it Leon who ****ed it up against the wall? As I remember it was Wildes cronies who spunked all the money we didn't have coming in. LC actuall started the cost cutting that Lowe carried on with. LC only mistake I can really remember is sticking with Dodd and Gorman for as long as he did, but he put it right in the end. thats what i remember from media snippets soon after and around the AGM was that the wagebill + transfer costs were done through the cronies and Crouch protested but got shouted down. I blame the FC more than rupes + crouch for authorising the spanking of surpless + overdraft as the moment we lost against Derby we've been on borrowed time. I can understand LC not wanting to put much more money in, he's had to cut back on his other businesses, he's lost the money he put in as shares and in these tight times he's probably having to be very very careful as he has a lot of other responsabilities. It would be nice for a knight in shining armour to appear and make everything better again, but it's very unlikely to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 I listened and thought he came accross well. It's good that he isn't looking bak (unlike Lowe) and mega respect for the 50K. Top man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 Correct me if I am wrong but didnt LM sell some of his shares previously? This has certainly been doing the rounds, but as I said a week or so ago, no one has ever quantified or substantiated it. Not sayin it's true or not, just saying no one has put any factul evidence up here (or on any equivalent). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 I listened and thought he came accross well. It's good that he isn't looking bak (unlike Lowe) and mega respect for the 50K. Top man. And as I said elsewhere how about similar (or at least a contribution) contributions from Lowe, Cowen, Wiseman, McMenemy, Hone, Hoos, Wilde etc etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 And as I said elsewhere how about similar (or at least a contribution) contributions from Lowe, Cowen, Wiseman, McMenemy, Hone, Hoos, Wilde etc etc etc. Exactly. Why should he put in 500k that he will never see again? No one knows his individual financial circumstances. No one is asking me to stump up all the cash so why should they hound him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 Mike I missed the first 35 minutes of the programme I based my opinion on the last 25 minutes. Leon is a saints fan I do not dispute that. Leon was no doubt speaking with his heart on his sleeve. I do not dispute what he is saying but his initial comments according to NickG was saying about moving forward instead of looking back. He kept whether through the questions put to him and making comment. MD didnt help with his emotional outbursts. I do not know who took what out of the club and who put in what and Im a small shareholder or I should say was a shareholder> Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 And as I said elsewhere how about similar (or at least a contribution) contributions from Lowe, Cowen, Wiseman, McMenemy, Hone, Hoos, Wilde etc etc etc. hell will freeze over first and as for Guy , Windsor-Clive and Withers they have slipped back under their stones until the heat goes down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 So why did you say "he has no answer!!!!!"? he didn't -factual. I tried to give a blow by blow report to keep up rather than my views. My view; he came across pretty well. definitely passionate and wants to save the club. he has personally given £50k to save the club he tried to stay on the line on not slagging off the others - and stuck to it most of the time. The only bit he couldn't argue - not his fault - was why we should give to pay millionaire footballers. only negative bit - he clearly was quickly rattled when the caller said that only a few weeks ago you were publicly saying you would give £2m to save the club - now we need 1/4 of that, why don't you save the club then ask fans to pay you back. Thought he reacted very quickly to this, negatively. And despite saying his line is not to talk about the others said that they should pay, he has done enough with the £50,000. To be fair that is £50,000 more than I intend to give! Although I have not been talking about giving £2m. On the whole came across pretty well and seems to trying to raise this £500k as an outsider as a charity gesture rather than a consortium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 For what it is worth I have met Leon Crouch on a few occasions. First meeting I thought he was a numpty. Since then I have had the opportunity to discuss Saints issues with him in depth. Whilst 'in power' he was very concerned about the wage bill. He also came across as having SFC best interests very much to heart and has undoubtedly contributed more of his personal finanaces than most. I hope he is able to keep involved with the club but not in an executive position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 Thought Leon did very well on the radio and respect for him for putting the £50k in I am sure over the last year or so he has put far more than that into the club and not taken anything out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 Originally Posted by up and away At the present I cannot see the point regarding trying to plug the hole with money for the administrator. Unless we find someone with capital for the long term, this becomes totally pointless. All you are doing is delaying the inevitable with that money doing absolutely no good. Save it for when we have been through the wringer and it can be of used for the team. I tried to get an answer to this point on Saturday but it was all too hectic. If anyone can answer this point and tell me why giving money now would not be a waste, I would like to hear it. I would like to help out, but will not until I know this is the right time to do it. Can only presume you don't get Radio Hampshire where you live or else you would have heard Crouch say that this money is needed (half a million of it) just to see this season out!!!!! No return for it, nothing to show for your donation/gift apart from ensuring the Club stays afloat. Good or bad, I need to have a think about it. I heard everything Crouch said, but unless there is a plan to bring all this together, believe it to be pointless. Why does this look exactly the same as Leon hunkered down in the bunker waiting for Fulthorpe to ride up and save the day? If we have any money, it is pointless just delaying the obvious and wasting the money on the administrator, when the money can actually do good later. This point needs to be explained and if it cannot, I can only assume this is Crouch applying his full intelect to the problem again. The question regarding the £2M that Crouch was prepared to put in just highlights this fact. Previously safe in the knowledge that Lowe or Wilde would not shell out, that £2M is no where to be seen now. I don't deny Crouch is still generous in what he has given, but there has to be a constructive plan rather than the "idiot fan in the boardroom" he previously demonstrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 Through all this bluff and counter bluff, we have to remember that, as many on here told us, there IS NO better alternative to Lowe. We have to remember that there are no 'potential' buyers for the club because otherwise, as many on here told us, Lowe would have agreed to sell his shares. Now Lowe has gone, like said before, we are dead in the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 Mike I missed the first 35 minutes of the programme I based my opinion on the last 25 minutes. Leon is a saints fan I do not dispute that. Leon was no doubt speaking with his heart on his sleeve. I do not dispute what he is saying but his initial comments according to NickG was saying about moving forward instead of looking back. He kept whether through the questions put to him and making comment. MD didnt help with his emotional outbursts. I do not know who took what out of the club and who put in what and Im a small shareholder or I should say was a shareholder> Mike I think he did his best to try and stay forward looking despite almost everyone else bar Stewart Dennis wanting to rake up the past. I think he must have said to every caller who were dwelling in the past, as well as Mark Dennis, that we have to look forward, and he almost achieved that all of the time thourghout the interview. I think he only slipped when he was really pressed by Dennis or callers pushed it too far, but for me his motivation was to get this Club out of, hopefully, a temporary abyss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 As much as I agree with the comments and the stupidity of Crouch for his part in the financial mess, beggars cannot be choosers. I cannot see anyone else out there who is going to put anything into Saints and as such we are stuck together until he becomes a liability again. McMonemy is a completely different matter, such a devisive person with everything flowing towards him, rather than shelling out. At the present I cannot see the point regarding trying to plug the hole with money for the administrator. Unless we find someone with capital for the long term, this becomes totally pointless. All you are doing is delaying the inevitable with that money doing absolutely no good. Save it for when we have been through the wringer and it can be of used for the team. I tried to get an answer to this point on Saturday but it was all too hectic. If anyone can answer this point and tell me why giving money now would not be a waste, I would like to hear it. I would like to help out, but will not until I know this is the right time to do it. One other question I would like to ask Crouch, exactly what was the rationale in signing Davies? The club has sensible and serious people looking. I made the point before that the collecting process and any donations was critical to buy TIME. It is not fair to expect people to put in 50k+ and then the fans say it's not worth while. If the team putting the fans bid together could at least explain the ACTUAL bidding process and timelines (or even Mark Fry himself) then the fans could better understand that buying time is still the most critical issue IF this club is going to survive. It is all about the next 5 or 6 days and paying the coach fare to Watford. One thing though, I really HOPE that Leon does NOT sit on the team bus on the way up tomorrow - your donation does not allow you to be there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 nipper says he will put £20 from his piggy bank if the players donate 1 weeks wages! That £20 is probably worth more to the child in relative terms than a weeks wages are to the players. Top gesture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 Mike I missed the first 35 minutes of the programme I based my opinion on the last 25 minutes. Leon is a saints fan I do not dispute that. Leon was no doubt speaking with his heart on his sleeve. I do not dispute what he is saying but his initial comments according to NickG was saying about moving forward instead of looking back. He kept whether through the questions put to him and making comment. MD didnt help with his emotional outbursts. I do not know who took what out of the club and who put in what and Im a small shareholder or I should say was a shareholder> Mike join the club at least you and i paid for our shares and were not given them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 I heard everything Crouch said, but unless there is a plan to bring all this together, believe it to be pointless. Why does this look exactly the same as Leon hunkered down in the bunker waiting for Fulthorpe to ride up and save the day? If we have any money, it is pointless just delaying the obvious and wasting the money on the administrator, when the money can actually do good later. This point needs to be explained and if it cannot, I can only assume this is Crouch applying his full intelect to the problem again. I'm not exactly fond of throwing money into a bottomless pit, and I think there might be an argument for keeping your powder dry until a later date. But if no funds are forthcoming, will we fulfil our fixtures? What's the punishment if we don't? I presume it means the Club will definitely be in administration, points deducted and relegation and what then? But I can see both sides, and we do have to ensure we see this season out, which is why I would still like some clarificiation, as the administrator, on the link I put up, didn't sound as desperate! I agree that it has not been made clear and as I said when I first heard Crocuh mention the £500,000 required, I said "good or bad, I need to have a think about it." The question regarding the £2M that Crouch was prepared to put in just highlights this fact. Previously safe in the knowledge that Lowe or Wilde would not shell out, that £2M is no where to be seen now. I don't deny Crouch is still generous in what he has given, but there has to be a constructive plan rather than the "idiot fan in the boardroom" he previously demonstrated. But maybe he's thinking in much the same way as you are, in that by putting the money in now means it is going to the wrong person and you get nothing for your buck. I think had the others come up with the money, then he would have maintained (if not increased) his shareholding and perhaps the Club would be viable and therefore his money may have had some worth going forward. So who's to say that he will be happy to put it into a consortium going forward, just not straight into the boliers at SMS??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 For me this is a real easy issue: We had a chairman with no money, who didn't invest ANY of his own money, who is a proven failure of a "businessman", and who does not give any inkling that he actually loves the club to any acceptable level. Crouch as an alternative: A successful businessman, who has money and has proven his willingness to invest (even without an expectation of any ROI), who bleeds red and white. Would I rather see a gazillionaire who loves the club? Sure, but beggars can't be choosers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 (edited) How is that not an answer? What he says is right. Crouch unlike Wilde and Lowe has actually not taken a penny from Southampton fc. He has put his own money into the club for various things including supposedly paying some players wages at the end of last year. Why should he have to give more to the club? In the giving stakes he has done a lot. Lowe and Wilde should be giving something back, especially Lowe after the millions he has probably pocketed for himself out of the club. Crouch has lost £1.6m in the last few weeks because of what happened. The fact he is still trying to generate money for the club amongst his contacts is great. What would happen if he didn't do that? Who would do that? The people who have a go at Crouch and Lawrie for trying to help the club i really will never understand. Why don't you donate every last penny you have to the club? Fair point IMHO. He is the only one person who has put his money where his mouth is with out question. I am sure that Wilde ws always looking for a return where as LC appeard not so mercanary. This man is truly whole heartedly re and white. I don't necesarily like the man and I think he can say the wrong things but his heart is in the right place. Remember he as just put/donated a further 50k of his own money. Fairpaly to him. Edited 6 April, 2009 by Stepgar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin C Posted 6 April, 2009 Share Posted 6 April, 2009 Why should he put £500,000 in only to see another group of people reap the rewards of this. I would love him too but can't see it. I believe we will be saved as we are a bargain, however I do remember Aldershot going down the pan many years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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