NickG Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Brazil "I thought he came across well" we gave him a long time. now put it to fans for comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 last sentence sums him up, protecting own reputation before the interests of the club. LC may or not be as clever as RL but at least his current actions are doing something practical to help the club rather than blaming everyone else. No Consortium of sane people would have RL in it, it would be a PR diaster and face another admin in a year as the crowds stay away in even bigger numbers Trouble is he may actually have something planned. Time to relax is once the new buyers move in and we can see that the dog isn't invited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 anyone still have money with Barlclays? We all have money in Barclay's . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Nod & a Wink and Rupert gets blown away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Considering that most people have decided that it is his fault already, I can't blame him for wanting to put his case. Would you let something go if you thought you were wrongly accused? Personally I love to hear the real story told by someone without an agenda. Without an agenda???? Surely his agenda is to clear his name, or atleast try to??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Good job I didn't pre-empt him then:rolleyes::rolleyes: As someone else has said, basically a re run of the Sky Business interview where he blames all the Club's ills on the two year period he was away. His best new line was that people should read the Chairman's Statement in the last set of Accounts which will explain everything (the same statement with Cris Iwelumo in them and the "fact" that Poortvliet is doing very well). Only problem with that is that they are just his view, his opinion and his slant on things. They're not some oracle of truth merely his take on what has happened. You could just as easily say read the ones from the year before when Jim Hone said: "The relegation of SFC from the Premier League in 2005 and the subsequent failure to win back promotion to that level have shaped and continue to exert an overwhelming influence." So just beacuse Hone says that, we should believe him and then we should not hold him to account as well then?? Poppycck as Hone is in there with the others who are responsible for the mess we are in. And of course not much in the interview about us going forward, merely the continuing massaging of Lowe's ego and the fact it was not his fault. And of course nothing about the abject failure that is this season, but then of course as I said on the SKY interview thread, this season has no bearing on us going into administration:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Without an agenda???? Surely his agenda is to clear his name, or atleast try to??? That is why I would like to hear someone without an agenda talk about the situation at SFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 That is why I would like to hear someone without an agenda talk about the situation at SFC. Mr Fry must be your man I imagine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 (edited) i agree he just said read the accounts for the last 2 seasons the truth is there, the man may be hated but the real villians involved who mismanged the clubs finances big time for that period have got away with their share of the blame. Listen mate, i'm not blaming Lowe 100% but look at the BIG picture. Lowe says when he left there was still money in the bank, yes, that was the final parachute payment from the Premiership, that why there was money still in the pot. he say's everyone else over spent but he signed Rasiak and said he'd keep LM in his role. Lowe is also the man that signed Forecast, Schneriden, Molyneaux, Gasmi, Pulis, Smith, Robertson this season and none have barely played. He also authorised the team to stay in hotels for the weekend at Reading and Palace. He signed JP and Wotte, payed of JP and put another 2 coaches on gardening leave and thats all just this season. Then look back over his record, relegation year, sturrock, wigley & redknapp, how much did that cost and how much were we still paying them once relegated. 1st year in the coke, spends Millions on his vision (dome, players suite, eye clinic, scw, clifford etc) with SCW etc etc etc. Yes Wilde overspent and appointed a board he couldn't control, don't really see where Crouch overspent as a % was out of his own pocket, but for Lowe to blame everyone and everything except him is cr4p! All in my opinion of course! Ps. Isn't it funny how we, as customers, haven't heard a squeek from Lowe all season, then all of sudden bang, everywhere!! Edited 8 April, 2009 by St. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Nod & a Wink and Rupert gets blown away. :smt045;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 he say's everyone else over spent but he signed Rasiak and said he'd keep LM in his role. He did indeed commit the first 2million (and a 4 year deal) on Rasiak that summer. Additionally, he raised the expectations of Burley (and others) but stating that that wouldn't be the last of the monies spent that summer, and that there was a warchest to be spent on further transfers (which was mentioned after we had already signed Rasiak) in that summer. Like you, I don't blame him for all of ours (or the worlds!!) ills, but conversely his line of "everyone but me" is simply as awful as those who think he is to blame for everything. Also loved his 4th reason for us being in this mess is due to the redecoration of the stadium in the two years he was away. There's nothing like keeping focussed, seeing the bigger picture and discussing things in a sensble & rational manner is there:rolleyes:???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 That is why I would like to hear someone without an agenda talk about the situation at SFC. Not likely going to happen though SoG, everyone has an agenda Fry & Admin = find a buyer. Lowe = deflict blame. Wilde = run and hide. Crouch = save the club & Possible chairmanship. Us fans = support and save! Note. this is what I think their personal agenda's are not what I think they do or get! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Listen mate, i'm not blaming Lowe 100% but look at the BIG picture. Lowe says when he left there was still money in the bank, yes, that was the final parachute payment from the Premiership, that why there was money still in the pot. he say's everyone else over spent but he signed Rasiak and said he'd keep LM in his role. Lowe is also the man that signed Forecast, Schneriden, Molyneaux, Gasmi, Pulis, Smith, Robertson this season and none have barely played. He also authorised the team to stay in hotels for the weekend at Reading and Palace. He signed JP and Wotte, payed of JP and put another 2 coaches on gardening leave and thats all just this season. Then look back over his record, relegation year, sturrock, wigley & redknapp, how much did that cost and how much were we still paying them once relegated. 1st year in the coke, spends Millions on his vision (dome, players suite, eye clinic, scw, clifford etc) with SCW etc etc etc. Yes Wilde overspent and appointed a board he couldn't control, don't really see where Crouch overspent as a % was out of his own pocket, but for Lowe to blame everyone and everything except him is cr4p! All in my opinion of course! Ps. Isn't it funny how we, as customers, haven't heard a squeek from Lowe all season, then all of sudden bang, everywhere!! Can't blame the bloke for wanting to put his side of the story and there will be plenty of peple wanting to give him air time right now. But when and if a new buyer is found the story will move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Can't blame the bloke for wanting to put his side of the story and there will be plenty of peple wanting to give him air time right now. But how about declining their requests for interviews, putting the Club first and moving on, rather than washing the dirty linen in public just so that one individual feels vindicated? Or maybe even use these interviews in a positive manner to either drum up support for our short term financial problems or to find a longer term solution?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Can't blame the bloke for wanting to put his side of the story and there will be plenty of peple wanting to give him air time right now. But when and if a new buyer is found the story will move on. yes that true but lets not forget the real villians who,s mismangement of finances the last 2 years has put us on the verge of league 2 and caused the firesale of players this season. if they ran the finances with our income we would not had to loan out our high earners and coulld have bought a better quality type of player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Can't blame the bloke for wanting to put his side of the story and there will be plenty of peple wanting to give him air time right now. But when and if a new buyer is found the story will move on. No you can't blame him for wanting to give his side of the story, just a shame - A. we were not allowed to voice our opinion in the ground whilst Lowe was here, banners and fans ejected for anti Lowe slogans. B. he didn't try and speak to fans about the troubles Saints were in via the media or fan groups during his recent tenure-ship! C. He still fails to accept ANY responsibility at all for anything, quite happy to talk about our fancy stadium (crippling debt) excellent catering (only 30% open now) our flashy radio station and insurance co. (all sold of as losing money) All for open debate, and blame should be attributed to all relevant parties, but Lowe is all about Lowe. This charm offensive is nothing to do with SFC and who is really to blame, this is operation 'save Rupert's skin in the city' simples ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Not likely going to happen though SoG, everyone has an agenda Fry & Admin = find a buyer. Lowe = deflict blame. Wilde = run and hide. Crouch = save the club & Possible chairmanship. Us fans = support and save! Note. this is what I think their personal agenda's are not what I think they do or get! Sadly I agree. There would be a good book to be written about our demise by somone without an axe to grind though. There are too mnay clubs like us going down the tubes and to put all of it down to that pantomime villian Lowe is to completley miss the point. As far as I know Lowe has had nothing to do with the running of clubs like Notts Forest, Leeds, Norwich and Charlton has he? His big failing is supposed to be the fact that he is not "a football man." What about the people who have presided over the demise of these other clubs? Football is all about money. If you don't have enough you will struggle. Lowe or no Lowe. Still, it make some people feel better to have a blame figure. Yet there are some 15 people lining up to put their necks on the block too? Good luck to them - they must be crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Not likely going to happen though SoG, everyone has an agenda Including SOGGY himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 I understand what Rupert setout to achieve on his return but to go into over budget mode and sell everything and bring in 2 unknown managers (with an increasing backstaff it seemed every few months) was a result of thousands of fans missing which IMHO is the best way to get money into a club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Sadly I agree. There would be a good book to be written about our demise by somone without an axe to grind though. There are too mnay clubs like us going down the tubes and to put all of it down to that pantomime villian Lowe is to completley miss the point. As far as I know Lowe has had nothing to do with the running of clubs like Notts Forest, Leeds, Norwich and Charlton has he? His big failing is supposed to be the fact that he is not "a football man." What about the people who have presided over the demise of these other clubs? Football is all about money. If you don't have enough you will struggle. Lowe or no Lowe. Still, it make some people feel better to have a blame figure. Yet there are some 15 people lining up to put their necks on the block too? Good luck to them - they must be crazy. The current football market and surrounding conditions do indeed make it a rather tricky course to navigate, and a course that has claimed many other victims as well, but by starting off this season with the Revolutionary Coaching Set up was akin to going into the race blindfolded and with one hand tied behind your back. As was going through that relegation season with three managers and a wasted pre season. Football is a meritocracy, but if you handicap yourself from the start, then you're probably always going to fall at a fence at some point. (and still no reason for one man to be washing the linen, instead of standing back and putting the Club first, or at least looking forward). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 yes that true but lets not forget the real villians who,s mismangement of finances the last 2 years has put us on the verge of league 2 and caused the firesale of players this season. if they ran the finances with our income we would not had to loan out our high earners and coulld have bought a better quality type of player. So the blame still falls at Lowes door then, Lowe and here 12 months, Crouch 6 months and Hone/Deliue 6 months over the last 2 years! The last year didn't have to be like this, yes we had to cut cost's but could we not of kept Pearson on instead of Jan, Wotte, Gore and Killer. Could we not of kept Dyer & John and not signed Forecast, Molyneaux, Liptak, Schneriden, Gasmi, Pulis, Wotton, Smith, Pekhart, Robertson etc. We did not have to do it lowes way, this was Lowes vision, it had been in the making for 4 years. Older, more experienced pro's in Burley and Redknapp tried to tell him a team solely built around the kids would not work, but Lowes knows best. The financial side of the blame may well need to be passed about a bit, but the reason we're second from bottom, facing league 2 with only 3 home wins is because of Lowe!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Good job I didn't pre-empt him then:rolleyes::rolleyes: As someone else has said, basically a re run of the Sky Business interview where he blames all the Club's ills on the two year period he was away. His best new line was that people should read the Chairman's Statement in the last set of Accounts which will explain everything (the same statement with Cris Iwelumo in them and the "fact" that Poortvliet is doing very well). Only problem with that is that they are just his view, his opinion and his slant on things. They're not some oracle of truth merely his take on what has happened. You could just as easily say read the ones from the year before when Jim Hone said: "The relegation of SFC from the Premier League in 2005 and the subsequent failure to win back promotion to that level have shaped and continue to exert an overwhelming influence." So just beacuse Hone says that, we should believe him and then we should not hold him to account as well then?? Poppycck as Hone is in there with the others who are responsible for the mess we are in. And of course not much in the interview about us going forward, merely the continuing massaging of Lowe's ego and the fact it was not his fault. And of course nothing about the abject failure that is this season, but then of course as I said on the SKY interview thread, this season has no bearing on us going into administration:rolleyes: Just what exact ****** are you trying to say then? The facts have always been there in the last 2 years accounts as to why we will go into administration. This was nailed on as soon as we could not get rid of all the high earners on our books, let alone command a fee for them! Lowe is responsible for relegation from the Premier and with that comes the reorganization in our first year of the CCC. Subsequent to that we have wasted close to £40M without Lowes help in bringing the club completely to our kness and in the position we now find ourselves in. When Lowe left we only had a couple of high earners on our books and a large amount of the subsequent high earners were not contracted and BWP only a loan. Lowe would have to approved new signings but there is no way he would have just undid all the hard work from the previous cull that we had just gone through. Now go back over all those idiot posts where Lowe was interfering with team selection because he was trying to force high earners from the club or not allowing the manager to play them because of the bonuses. There seems little mention of this from the muppets now they actually see the consequences of letting costs out of control. The main reason Lowe is giving these interviews is more down to what he feels is about to happen to this club in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 No you can't blame him for wanting to give his side of the story, just a shame - A. we were not allowed to voice our opinion in the ground whilst Lowe was here, banners and fans ejected for anti Lowe slogans. B. he didn't try and speak to fans about the troubles Saints were in via the media or fan groups during his recent tenure-ship! C. He still fails to accept ANY responsibility at all for anything, quite happy to talk about our fancy stadium (crippling debt) excellent catering (only 30% open now) our flashy radio station and insurance co. (all sold of as losing money) All for open debate, and blame should be attributed to all relevant parties, but Lowe is all about Lowe. This charm offensive is nothing to do with SFC and who is really to blame, this is operation 'save Rupert's skin in the city' simples ;-) I hardly think this is a charm offensive! When things like this happen the media are hungry to get the main protaganists in print or behind a microphone. Lowe is taking the opportunity to put his side forward. It happens all the time. Once a buyer is found there will be another story and the media will move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 The main reason Lowe is giving these interviews is more down to what he feels is about to happen to this club in the near future. Bolllocks. Its all about what fears will happen to him in the future, as in the perception of being damaged good in the city. Maybe he fears he will get the boot from WH Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 (edited) Just what exact ****** are you trying to say then? The facts have always been there in the last 2 years accounts as to why we will go into administration. This was nailed on as soon as we could not get rid of all the high earners on our books, let alone command a fee for them! Lowe is responsible for relegation from the Premier and with that comes the reorganization in our first year of the CCC. Subsequent to that we have wasted close to £40M without Lowes help in bringing the club completely to our kness and in the position we now find ourselves in. When Lowe left we only had a couple of high earners on our books and a large amount of the subsequent high earners were not contracted and BWP only a loan. Lowe would have to approved new signings but there is no way he would have just undid all the hard work from the previous cull that we had just gone through. Now go back over all those idiot posts where Lowe was interfering with team selection because he was trying to force high earners from the club or not allowing the manager to play them because of the bonuses. There seems little mention of this from the muppets now they actually see the consequences of letting costs out of control. The main reason Lowe is giving these interviews is more down to what he feels is about to happen to this club in the near future. £40m in debt since Lowe left, are you sure????? How the fooook was that then?? BWP on loan, I thought Lowe signed him from Man City?? Hi earners not brought in, again I thought Lowe signed him from Spuds for £2m on a 4 year contract and also said "this is not the end of our spending, we have a war chest for promotion" Lowe 15th June 2006 - "we have lost £23m a year as a result of relegation, but we are still solvent and have a warchest to strengthen the team" so after Signing Rasiak for £2m in May 2006 we still had a 'warchest'! Not only that bat as Lowe himself said, we're losing £23m a year as a result of relegation, so without promotion admin was always coming! Edited 8 April, 2009 by St. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 He's on the Sports Breakfast with Alan Brazil this coming Wednesday morning...for those that give a toss! Wonder what he'll have to say for himself? The thing to remember is this ... Football pundits Nationwide will be basing their take on the SFC saga, on what Lowe says on one of the main national TV channels As there is no-one there to challenge him, HE will come out of it as a grievous wounded animal, treated most unfairly (again) The most chilling thing though, is that he has NOT ruled out a return .... Which means " I'll Be Back " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkiesaint Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 For once Lowe does need defending. he may have made multiple dubious managerial appointments, pssed of the decent appointments he made, failed to invest in the team, got us relegated and signed a load of donkeys as a self-appointed director of football, but he didn't run up the overdraft which is what has put us into admin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Can't blame the bloke for wanting to put his side of the story and there will be plenty of peple wanting to give him air time right now. But when and if a new buyer is found the story will move on. So, Lowe is the Chairman that got us relegated to the CCC, he was the Chairman in charge taking us toward League 1, he was the guy that was the figurehead of the group that has prevented our club from being sold. How much did he want from Crouch for his shares? Lowe was NEVER going to sell, Lowe was NEVER going to be a man manager. The millions spent trying to get us out of this division were largely because it became very clear that NOBODY was going to pay the asking price for Lowes shares for a CCC club, it HAD TO BE a Premier club. We had NO ALTERNATIVE but to go for it in the last season of the parachute payments, because if we didn't get promoted and sold, we would be going into administration! I thought that was ABSOLUTELY f**king clear 2 f**king years ago! We argued the case back then that Lowe was a dead weight around the neck of this club. HE returns with all the pomposity that HE was going to save us from the incompetent previous boards and steer us to a 'play off' place! The guy is THE MOST DELUDED INDIVIDUAL I have ever had the misfortune to have anything to do with! In this last year what has he achieved? F*ck ALL! His first season in the CCC what did he achieve? F*ck ALL! His last season in the Prem, what did he achieve? F*ck ALL. SO, we have had 3 years mismanagement from Lowe and 2 years from others that were attempting to rip SLH away from Lowe. We begged to be returned from a PLC company because it was crippling us, and now Lowe supporters are lording up this move because it may save us a 10 point penalty we deserve for going into admin. Don't get me wrong, if we can avoid it great, but this will be the ONLY positive to come out of Lowes reign. Lowe has been the chian around this clubs neck for more than 10 years and Askham has been the brick at the end of that chain. Add Wilde to that dead weight and we were NEVER going to survive. Please, all those that Lord Lowe up, please, look at where we are today and the MAIN PRINCIPLE of that position is LOWE, NOBODY ELSE, Lowe put us here, and we all saw it coming, like a big f*ck off train crash happening in slow motion. Pull your head out the guys arse, he destroyed us! But now we can rebuild. For the love of Saints, stop defending him and let us unite, because until you guys let him alone and let us bemoan him as a failure, we cannot heal and we cannot go forward. Let us sl*g off the man we hold responsible for this clubs downfall, let us grieve properly for this club and let us come back fighting. Stop defending the one man who is indefensible in some people's eyes, HE MURDERED THIS CLUB! LET HIM SWING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 For once Lowe does need defending. he may have made multiple dubious managerial appointments, pssed of the decent appointments he made, failed to invest in the team, got us relegated and signed a load of donkeys as a self-appointed director of football, but he didn't run up the overdraft which is what has put us into admin. I have to agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 For once Lowe does need defending. he may have made multiple dubious managerial appointments, pssed of the decent appointments he made, failed to invest in the team, got us relegated and signed a load of donkeys as a self-appointed director of football, but he didn't run up the overdraft which is what has put us into admin. Sophistry. If Barclays hadnt called their markers in, we would have still been relegated due to the direction he took us in, and falling gate revenue and ST sales would have killed us next season anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 would we honestly have been in a better position Crouch though Alps!!? I think all three are culpable in some way sahpe or form!! The PlC and the make up of it killed us in the end!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Sophistry. If Barclays hadnt called their markers in, we would have still been relegated due to the direction he took us in, and falling gate revenue and ST sales would have killed us next season anyway. Have we actually been relegated yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 For once Lowe does need defending. he may have made multiple dubious managerial appointments, pssed of the decent appointments he made, failed to invest in the team, got us relegated and signed a load of donkeys as a self-appointed director of football, but he didn't run up the overdraft which is what has put us into admin. I know that this is all conlecture but surely our current plight is due to being relegated. Had we not been relegated then things would have been very different. I honestly cannot see how anyone can pile ALL of the blame onto the monkeys that ran the zoo while Rupes was not around. Had we not been relegated those monkeys would probably not have been there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 For once Lowe does need defending. he may have made multiple dubious managerial appointments, pssed of the decent appointments he made, failed to invest in the team, got us relegated and signed a load of donkeys as a self-appointed director of football, but he didn't run up the overdraft which is what has put us into admin. OK ........ but only NOW does he mention "others" running up the overdraft in his two year "absence" I've never known Lowe to be slow to criticise before ......... since his Second Coming, we've hardly heard from him until now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Codger Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 It's Mr Lowe's Orwellian-1984 style of writing history that baffles me. In his interview this morning, nothing happened before 2006. For Mr Lowe history began the moment he left the Club that year. Viewed this way, he is correct - as yorkiesaint says, he didn't run up the overdraft. But the problem began way before then. In 2004 we finished 12th in the Premiership with what then appeared to be a perfectly acceptable, young, up-and-coming manager, appointed by Mr Lowe, in charge. Mr Lowe - you were in charge from then until 2006 during which time we were relegated and then made no attempt at a promotion push. You need to explain these disastrous 2 years to us as well as the 2006-2008 period when you weren't around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 So the blame still falls at Lowes door then, Lowe and here 12 months, Crouch 6 months and Hone/Deliue 6 months over the last 2 years! The last year didn't have to be like this, yes we had to cut cost's but could we not of kept Pearson on instead of Jan, Wotte, Gore and Killer. Could we not of kept Dyer & John and not signed Forecast, Molyneaux, Liptak, Schneriden, Gasmi, Pulis, Wotton, Smith, Pekhart, Robertson etc. We did not have to do it lowes way, this was Lowes vision, it had been in the making for 4 years. Older, more experienced pro's in Burley and Redknapp tried to tell him a team solely built around the kids would not work, but Lowes knows best. The financial side of the blame may well need to be passed about a bit, but the reason we're second from bottom, facing league 2 with only 3 home wins is because of Lowe!! its easy to blame lowe for this season but the last 2 years we mismanged big time, read the accounts for the last two seasons ,it is a disgrace ,we only just stayed up last year with all those well payed players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 It's Mr Lowe's Orwellian-1984 style of writing history that baffles me. In his interview this morning, nothing happened before 2006. For Mr Lowe history began the moment he left the Club that year. Viewed this way, he is correct - as yorkiesaint says, he didn't run up the overdraft. But the problem began way before then. In 2004 we finished 12th in the Premiership with what then appeared to be a perfectly acceptable, young, up-and-coming manager, appointed by Mr Lowe, in charge. Mr Lowe - you were in charge from then until 2006 during which time we were relegated and then made no attempt at a promotion push. You need to explain these disastrous 2 years to us as well as the 2006-2008 period when you weren't around. i agree but harry still had a side good enough to take us back up ,but lowe should have given him some more cash for that season . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 For once Lowe does need defending. he may have made multiple dubious managerial appointments, pssed of the decent appointments he made, failed to invest in the team, got us relegated and signed a load of donkeys as a self-appointed director of football, but he didn't run up the overdraft which is what has put us into admin. But he did add to the overdraft mate when he knew he was going, before he left he signed rasiak, BWP, Belmadi, svensson, Sarmiento, Kevin Miller, Gillet, Surman. Don't get me wrong some of these signings were needed, my point is we do not know what the terms were/are for these players, we do not know what the other players were on and we do not know what sacked and or mutualy departed managers, coaches were on! So even though Rupert left in 2006 his legacy via his contracts were still there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 But he did add to the overdraft mate when he knew he was going, before he left he signed rasiak, BWP, Belmadi, svensson, Sarmiento, Kevin Miller, Gillet, Surman. Don't get me wrong some of these signings were needed, my point is we do not know what the terms were/are for these players, we do not know what the other players were on and we do not know what sacked and or mutualy departed managers, coaches were on! So even though Rupert left in 2006 his legacy via his contracts were still there! yes you are right but can you see him letting the overdraft get out of control,he would have cut costs if he had to ,he would have not have given the likes of jason around £9,000 a week . we lost our parachute payments and increased our high wage bill which lhas got us into this sorry state today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Have we actually been relegated yet? Its mathematically possible I will win the Euro Lottery and buy SFC myself too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 They've been showing excerpts of an interview with him during the morning on SSN as well. The most interesting comments would be that he refuses to rule out a return because he loves the club and still wants to build it up. He didn't state a long-term admiration for Alpine as a defining influence on this desire though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 They've been showing excerpts of an interview with him during the morning on SSN as well. The most interesting comments would be that he refuses to rule out a return because he loves the club and still wants to build it up. He didn't state a long-term admiration for Alpine as a defining influence on this desire though. FFS, why doesnt he just f**k off ? How much more of Lowe's special brand of "building up" can this club take ? I pray that someone buys the club and blocks Lowe from ever getting involved again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 I like Lowe's reference on Sky Sports News on this forum. 'People like to hide behind I.P address, and won't tell me face to face what they really think.' Come on then Rupert, Place and time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 its easy to blame lowe for this season but the last 2 years we mismanged big time, read the accounts for the last two seasons ,it is a disgrace ,we only just stayed up last year with all those well payed players. I would read the accounts for the last 2 years but unfortunately the last years hasn't been published! Read the accounts for 2004-05, with all those players and profit WE DID GO DOWN, a disgrace! Accounts can be manipulated in which ever way you like, lowe left June 2006, that doesn't mean he has no influence on the accounts on the coming years. players, managers, coaches lowe would of signed/sacked prior to him leaving would still show on future accounts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 FFS, why doesnt he just f**k off ? How much more of Lowe's special brand of "building up" can this club take ? I pray that someone buys the club and blocks Lowe from ever getting involved again. It was a little weird actually as he said this a first time, before being pushed for a more solid statement of interest from the interviewer. He then retracted it a little by saying something like "I'm not currently involved with any bids as I'm still suffering from high blood pressure as a result of a tough nine months." When pushed again, he came back with "I wouldn't rule it out as I still love the club and want to build it up." Personally, I think he's just flirting with us;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 yes you are right but can you see him letting the overdraft get out of control,he would have cut costs if he had to ,he would have not have given the likes of jason around £9,000 a week . we lost our parachute payments and increased our high wage bill which lhas got us into this sorry state today. I don't know mate, he did sign Rasiak on a 4 year deal, i don't know what thats worth but i'd guess it can't be far of £9k. Also after signing Rasiak and Belmadi (another prem int) he stated 15 June 2006 that "we had a warchest to strengthen"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 I like Lowe's reference on Sky Sports News on this forum. 'People like to hide behind I.P address, and won't tell me face to face what they really think.' Come on then Rupert, Place and time An invitation I would welcome too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Can't blame the bloke for wanting to put his side of the story and there will be plenty of peple wanting to give him air time right now. But when and if a new buyer is found the story will move on. Well if we're airing dirty lineniin public lets have the stories from WGS, Sturrock etc who have left under NDAs. It can't all be one way traffic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 Lowe is irrelevant. Hooray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 8 April, 2009 Share Posted 8 April, 2009 For once Lowe does need defending. he may have made multiple dubious managerial appointments, pssed of the decent appointments he made, failed to invest in the team, got us relegated and signed a load of donkeys as a self-appointed director of football, but he didn't run up the overdraft which is what has put us into admin. No but he lost the confidence of the bank so they called in the overdraft. And he lost the confidence of the bank by the short-sighted policies he'd put in place this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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