Wade Garrett Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Cant be arsed reading through all the guff argument so do please enlighten.... because from where it makes feck all difference but the ever so slight increase in gates is MORE than likely to be simply the run extras - as opposed to some Crouch love in thats all... Our numbers are simply down to cost v value / entertainment + 50 of lowe protest returns.... like I said teh only true measure will be next season. Do you really believe that Frank. I know quite a few people who will go back to the stadium now Lowe has gone. In my opinion, he was the biggest reason for the fall in gates.
um pahars Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Cant be arsed reading through all the guff . Which is fair enough, but then please don't jump in with your size 12's. This isn't about whether Crouch was the bestest or the worstest, whether Pearson is next in line at Old Trafford or Weymouth, whether we have the bestest fans in the world or the worstest. This was simply countering an incorrect claim that the dinlo Sundance has made (for the second time in a few weeks now) that attendances went down under Crouch, and for the second time I was happy to prove that this claim has no foundation. So cutting to the chase, do you think Flashman was right to state this was the case. Yes or No (and if no, then feel free to enlighten me with your reasons). If you're not that bothered with this debate then move along and jump in elsehwere. HTH
John B Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Do you really believe that Frank. I know quite a few people who will go back to the stadium now Lowe has gone. In my opinion, he was the biggest reason for the fall in gates. Yes I agree What happens though if large numbers of fans boycott St mary's if they don't like the new owners?
Frank's cousin Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Do you really believe that Frank. I know quite a few people who will go back to the stadium now Lowe has gone. In my opinion, he was the biggest reason for the fall in gates. Sadly I do, If you asked the 12000 extra Saturday they would all say it was because Lowe has gone.... yet I think its for most a convenint excuse because of justifying the cost in these times and the crap on offer. Next seaosn will be the test of how many fans we really have - as there will only be no Lowe to pin it on.
miserableoldgit Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Do you really believe that Frank. I know quite a few people who will go back to the stadium now Lowe has gone. In my opinion, he was the biggest reason for the fall in gates. Whilst there were probably a good few that wouldn`t go while Rupes was in charge, the main reasons for the drop in gates are 1) We are at the bottom of the CCC again, and 2) We have been served up complete and utter dross for the last 2 seasons. Like any other "business" if the "customer" is unhappy with the product, he/she will not buy it, especially at £25-30 a time.
Wade Garrett Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Sadly I do' date=' If you asked the 12000 extra Saturday they would all say it was because Lowe has gone.... yet I think its for most a convenint excuse because of justifying the cost in these times and the crap on offer. Next seaosn will be the test of how many fans we really have - as there will only be no Lowe to pin it on.[/quote'] That's true. I sincerely believe home support won't go down next season, even if we are playing in League 1.
Wade Garrett Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Whilst there were probably a good few that wouldn`t go while Rupes was in charge, the main reasons for the drop in gates are 1) We are at the bottom of the CCC again, and 2) We have been served up complete and utter dross for the last 2 seasons. Like any other "business" if the "customer" is unhappy with the product, he/she will not buy it, especially at £25-30 a time. That being the case they wouldn't have turned up for the game against the bottom side in the division. But they did, didn't they. The reason why they did is pretty obvious to me.
jonah Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 That being the case they wouldn't have turned up for the game against the bottom side in the division. But they did, didn't they. The reason why they did is pretty obvious to me. Yes, huge reductions in price and the club facing administration - it's nothing to do with who's in charge. Attendances dropped under Wilde. Attendances are predicted to drop across all 4 divisions next season. Leicester City's attendances have dropped by an average of 4,500, and they've got Britain's Hottest Young Prospect as manager.
miserableoldgit Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 That being the case they wouldn't have turned up for the game against the bottom side in the division. But they did, didn't they. The reason why they did is pretty obvious to me. They turned up because the Club is on the verge of going out of business after 125 years and there was a groundswell of everyone (by The Echo, and other media etc) being urged to get to SMS and help save the club. Do you think that the next 2 home games will have attendances as big just because Lowe has gone?? For anyone to suggest that 28000 turned just because Rupes is no longer there is naive.
Dr Who? Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 So does anyone have any up to date take over news? I think it is split between people returning because of Lowe going (As I know plenty that have returned on this alone and started spending money in the club shop) and the fact we are in dire straights. (not the band) I think we could get about 20k at home games and increase on how well we perform. Me I go to mainly away games but will now go to as many home games as I can now. I live in Cambridge and cannot afford the round trip. Now back to topic any latest news on the take over?
Wade Garrett Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Yes, huge reductions in price and the club facing administration - it's nothing to do with who's in charge. Attendances dropped under Wilde. Attendances are predicted to drop across all 4 divisions next season. Leicester City's attendances have dropped by an average of 4,500, and they've got Britain's Hottest Young Prospect as manager. The benchmark for our attendances will be pretty low though, won't they. I am amused by the hurting Rupert fans, no offence jonah.
Wade Garrett Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 They turned up because the Club is on the verge of going out of business after 125 years and there was a groundswell of everyone (by The Echo, and other media etc) being urged to get to SMS and help save the club. Do you think that the next 2 home games will have attendances as big just because Lowe has gone?? For anyone to suggest that 28000 turned just because Rupes is no longer there is naive. For you to suggest that they turned up not because he is still there is even more naive. IMHO of course.
alpine_saint Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Yes, huge reductions in price and the club facing administration - it's nothing to do with who's in charge. Attendances dropped under Wilde. Attendances are predicted to drop across all 4 divisions next season. Leicester City's attendances have dropped by an average of 4,500, and they've got Britain's Hottest Young Prospect as manager. You cannot claim it is exclusively for those reasons, just as nobody can claiim all 10,000 extra turned up because Lowe has gone. And your comment about Leicester was unnecessary; their attendance has gone down because they are in League 1.
hamster Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Please can this thread be renamed? Or start another re attendances, it's geting a wee bit boring lads.
OldNick Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 They do indeed, but it seems as though you've jumped straight in and fallen into the same dumb trap as nickh did. At times you really could be called Smarm Pahars because you cannot help yourself. I have tried to be decent and reasonable and then you put up such comments. Yes NC did say that attendances had declined under Crouch and that was wrong but had the boot been on the other foot you would have rightly held up the SU game as a freak.It was a freak attendance and even if we were in the PL that attendance would not be attained.To try and deride my post is below the belt, as it was right to point it out. When I have put up stats regarding NP's tenure i have never put in the Plymouth home game as it was not fair as whilst he was manager he probablty did not have any input, apart from inspirational pre match talk. Ialso refrained from putting in FA cup defeats into stats regarding LC's first choice of replacements as again it was not fair to have one off games added.
jonah Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 At times you really could be called Smarm Pahars because you cannot help yourself. Nick, can I suggest "Dumb Pahars" instead... it really is all-encapsulating and rolls more gracefully off the tongue. What's the point in all this conjecture about attendances? Britain's Hottest Young Manager is only attracting crowds 4,500 lower than last season - and that's top of the league compared to bottom of the league. No doubt that's all down to the league, not the manager in this case though. Or maybe it's down to the execs in the boardroom if their fans are as obsessive as ours... someone called Lee Hoos isn't it, champion and darling of the Saints Trust when Wilde took over? I'm sure he's enjoying his double salary as we go down the pan too.
OldNick Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Nick, can I suggest "Dumb Pahars" instead... it really is all-encapsulating and rolls more gracefully off the tongue. What's the point in all this conjecture about attendances? Britain's Hottest Young Manager is only attracting crowds 4,500 lower than last season - and that's top of the league compared to bottom of the league. No doubt that's all down to the league, not the manager in this case though. Or maybe it's down to the execs in the boardroom if their fans are as obsessive as ours... someone called Lee Hoos isn't it, champion and darling of the Saints Trust when Wilde took over? I'm sure he's enjoying his double salary as we go down the pan too.Jonah, I try my best not to be really insulting to Um as like most on here is hurting like mad.Therefore i wll not call him that as i know he is not dumb, shame at times he was not a little mute though. I am surprised at Leicester's lower crowds, they would really be in the financial mire if it wasnt for MM
Seaford Saint Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 I rarely comment these days, preferring to read threads instead. Um parhars is one of the most interesting and well informed posters on here. Dumb is not a word I could associate with him, Jonah As for Sundance or whoever he is now well...a different kettle of fish...I never agreed with a word he said and I am a reasonable man!!!
tommi Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Do you really believe that Frank. I know quite a few people who will go back to the stadium now Lowe has gone. In my opinion, he was the biggest reason for the fall in gates. Sorry Wade, I'm totally with Frank here - if we were winning 5-0 every home game and top of the league we'd sell out every week. The fact of the matter is we are in the worst financial crisis since WW1 that coupled with absolute ****e served up week in week out on the pitch means less supporters are inclined to pay their hard earned money to watch ****e. It's got nothing (probably less than 0.5%) to do with who is in charge. Slightly off topic... I'm really at a loss to understand this fasination with Lowe and the old board - he's gone, why does everyone keep on about him? Lowe, Crouch, Wilde, Askham, Richards.....Forget the lot of them, I never want to see any of them back at the club, unless of course they are sitting in the stands paying cash to support the club they 'love' Can we all just forget about the whole sorry saga and move on - the club is in dire straights and needs us all to pull together and get through this...... Right, i'll climb back down off my soap box now! :-)
NickG Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Sorry Wade, I'm totally with Frank here - if we were winning 5-0 every home game and top of the league we'd sell out every week. The fact of the matter is we are in the worst financial crisis since WW1 that coupled with absolute ****e served up week in week out on the pitch means less supporters are inclined to pay their hard earned money to watch ****e. It's got nothing (probably less than 0.5%) to do with who is in charge. Slightly off topic... I'm really at a loss to understand this fasination with Lowe and the old board - he's gone, why does everyone keep on about him? Lowe, Crouch, Wilde, Askham, Richards.....Forget the lot of them, I never want to see any of them back at the club, unless of course they are sitting in the stands paying cash to support the club they 'love' Can we all just forget about the whole sorry saga and move on - the club is in dire straights and needs us all to pull together and get through this......Right, i'll climb back down off my soap box now! :-) well said
Red and White Army Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Nick, can I suggest "Dumb Pahars" instead... it really is all-encapsulating and rolls more gracefully off the tongue. Hey, thats my nickname for him!
Wes Tender Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Quite ironic that those who use the epithet "dumb" of Um Pahars, are often the very ones who he frequently runs rings around when it comes to debating the more serious stuff.
jonah Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Lowe, Crouch, Wilde, Askham, Richards.....Forget the lot of them, I never want to see any of them back at the club, unless of course they are sitting in the stands paying cash to support the club they 'love' Amen to that, I hope above all else that none of those involved in the last 15 years are involved again in any of the "expressions of interest". Or Fulthorpe, or Salz and his merry bunch of onlookers. From where we are now, we need a completely new start.
jonah Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Quite ironic that those who use the epithet "dumb" of Um Pahars, are often the very ones who he frequently runs rings around when it comes to debating the more serious stuff. LOL, like the last time where I simply asked David Jones for the answers and proved DP was wrong on all counts? Oh yeah...
um pahars Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Nick, can I suggest "Dumb Pahars" instead... it really is all-encapsulating and rolls more gracefully off the tongue. So dumb that you haven't responded on the thread where you were found wanting regards (again) regards the overdraft LOL. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=248979&highlight=overdraft#post248979 And in case you want just the overdraft figures: Interims - Overdraft when Crouch took over the reins: £6.1m Finals - Overdraft just after Crouch left: £5.7m Seems as though it's not only Sundance who doesn't know his increases from his decreases LOL;)
Barfy Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 So, consortiums then. Any news there? or are we going to be buried in pedantic trivia for the next few weeks?
um pahars Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 LOL, like the last time where I simply asked David Jones for the answers and proved DP was wrong on all counts? Oh yeah... LMFAO. Was that the claim that Lowe had found external monies to the tune of £25m, or the subsequent claim that the "refinancing" brought £8m cash back into the Club. I was on the phone laughing with Dave Jones about most of your claims, and refuted them one by one on here. Maybe we should get Dave to get you to sit down before or after the next home match to set you straight. I'd be more than willing to arrange and help you out. He's a very amenable man (despite being left in the lurch by some shtty bosses over the years) and I'm sure he'd be more than willing to walk you through some of your more outlandish claims. If you want I'll have a word with him as he often walks past my place when he's out for a stroll.
um pahars Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 At times you really could be called Smarm Pahars because you cannot help yourself. I have tried to be decent and reasonable and then you put up such comments. Yes NC did say that attendances had declined under Crouch and that was wrong but had the boot been on the other foot you would have rightly held up the SU game as a freak.It was a freak attendance and even if we were in the PL that attendance would not be attained.To try and deride my post is below the belt, as it was right to point it out. When I have put up stats regarding NP's tenure i have never put in the Plymouth home game as it was not fair as whilst he was manager he probablty did not have any input, apart from inspirational pre match talk. Ialso refrained from putting in FA cup defeats into stats regarding LC's first choice of replacements as again it was not fair to have one off games added. No offence nickh, but like Frank you tried to jump into a debate that wasn't yours and started to try and move the goalposts (in addition to asking the same question you had asked only a few weeks earlier). It wasn't a debate on attendances, on whether they wold be higher or lower in the future, whether a) would have pulled more than b) as those type of arguments are merely hypothetical and never able to be proven one way or the other. I was merely countering the incorrect assertion by Sundance that attendances went down under Crouch when this was not the case. Were there a myriad of reasons for this??? Of course, some positive and of course some negative, but I was not going down the route of whys and wherefores, just merely pointing out that Sundance's original assertion was wrong. Of course if you wanted to suggest he was correct, then far enough, but to start trying to blur the issue is another debate entirely.
Dicko Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 LMFAO. Was that the claim that Lowe had found external monies to the tune of £25m, or the subsequent claim that the "refinancing" brought £8m cash back into the Club. I was on the phone laughing with Dave Jones about most of your claims, and refuted them one by one on here. Maybe we should get Dave to get you to sit down before or after the next home match to set you straight. I'd be more than willing to arrange and help you out. He's a very amenable man (despite being left in the lurch by some shtty bosses over the years) and I'm sure he'd be more than willing to walk you through some of your more outlandish claims. If you want I'll have a word with him as he often walks past my place when he's out for a stroll. I'm amazed you speak so highly of David Jones As finance director, he's either as accountable as any of the directors, or he's shown himself to be utterly spineless, and hasn't had the balls to put his foot down when we were overspending
um pahars Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 I'm amazed you speak so highly of David Jones As finance director, he's either as accountable as any of the directors, or he's shown himself to be utterly spineless, and hasn't had the balls to put his foot down when we were overspending He's actually a very nice bloke and to be fair to him he was very much subservient to his previous bosses (Lowe and Hone, who despite coming from either end of the class spectrum shared many personality traits!!!!!). I accept there is the argument that as a PLC Director he shares a joint responsibility with his Board, but I also think it is fair to say that we haven't really held a fully functioning, democratic and responsible board for a little while now. I'm sure he has to take his share of the blame (and i'm sure he would accept that), but I also think he is quite a way down the list from the main suspects!!
Nineteen Canteen Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 At times you really could be called Smarm Pahars because you cannot help yourself. I have tried to be decent and reasonable and then you put up such comments. Yes NC did say that attendances had declined under Crouch and that was wrong but had the boot been on the other foot you would have rightly held up the SU game as a freak.It was a freak attendance and even if we were in the PL that attendance would not be attained.To try and deride my post is below the belt, as it was right to point it out. When I have put up stats regarding NP's tenure i have never put in the Plymouth home game as it was not fair as whilst he was manager he probablty did not have any input, apart from inspirational pre match talk. Ialso refrained from putting in FA cup defeats into stats regarding LC's first choice of replacements as again it was not fair to have one off games added. Also Nick I can't be ar5ed to check my original post but at the time I think the point I tried to make was that attendances fell under Crouch i.e during his reign and that under Lowe attendances despite the initial drop because of the blind hatred actually held up but obviously not enough to help save us.
um pahars Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Also Nick I can't be ar5ed to check my original post but at the time I think the point I tried to make was that attendances fell under Crouch That's exactly what you claimed, which is not correct as attendances went up when you compare Crouch's period in charge with the period that preceeded it. HTH;)
Nineteen Canteen Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 I'm amazed you speak so highly of David Jones As finance director, he's either as accountable as any of the directors, or he's shown himself to be utterly spineless, and hasn't had the balls to put his foot down when we were overspending Need to cut Dave Jones some slack sounds like he has Um on the phone every 5 mins. No wonder our year end accounting was always so late. Um I'm surprised you have a day job, how do you balance the two?
Window Cleaner Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Need to cut Dave Jones some slack sounds like he has Um on the phone every 5 mins. No wonder our year end accounting was always so late. Um I'm surprised you have a day job, how do you balance the two? Um's a teacher now isn't he?
Nineteen Canteen Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 That's exactly what you claimed, which is not correct as attendances went up when you compare Crouch's period in charge with the period that preceeded it. HTH;) During his reign Um during his reign stop being selective with the cut and paste you sad man.
Oz Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 can confirm this from another source, sadly lowe is involved!
um pahars Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 During his reign Um during his reign stop being selective with the cut and paste you sad man. OK, I'll change the words just for you: That's exactly what you claimed, which is not correct as attendances went up when you compare Crouch's reign with the reign that preceeded it. HTH:wink:
Window Cleaner Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Even though he said he wasn't?? Hard to believe, still ..............
miserableoldgit Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Leave it, Um. He`s not worth it. We`ve all had a bit to drink...............
um pahars Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Even though he said he wasn't?? Hard to believe, still .............. I honestly wouldn't rule it out. I reckon Lowe will be hurting (as I think him doing the media rounds is showing) and I reckon he still thinks there is some unfinished to be done. Throw in he has some rather rich buddies and an inside track on some of the issues and it is plausible. Maybe him doing the media rounds is a PR exercise in trying to deflect blame ready for another comeback?????
Window Cleaner Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Maybe him doing the media rounds is a PR exercise in trying to deflect blame ready for another comeback????? Well I sincerely hope not, we need to put all of them behind us except perhaps Lawrie Mac if he puts up serious folding with his mate Souness. My best option would be to see football men at the helm with their own money involved, like Niall Quinn at Sunderland,as for the rest of them I hope we never see them again except as paying fans like the rest of us.
um pahars Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Well I sincerely hope not, we need to put all of them behind us except perhaps Lawrie Mac if he puts up serious folding with his mate Souness. My best option would be to see football men at the helm with their own money involved, like Niall Quinn at Sunderland,as for the rest of them I hope we never see them again except as paying fans like the rest of us. Beggars may not be able to be choosers I'm afraid. If Lowe does come in with some serious backing, then there's nothing to stop that happening and arguably if the alternative is the Club folding, then it may have to be something that has to be swallowed.
NickG Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 I would like a single owner, strong but not power crazy, enough money to stabalise and move us forward, someone who I probably have never heard of, perhaps with a football man as a public face - is it much to ask for?
Wes Tender Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Also Nick I can't be ar5ed to check my original post but at the time I think the point I tried to make was that attendances fell under Crouch i.e during his reign and that under Lowe attendances despite the initial drop because of the blind hatred actually held up but obviously not enough to help save us. Save us from what? Administration, relegation, our very existence? There was conjecture that we needed an attendance level for home matches of about 17,000 or so. I don't know whether that figure was accurate, but it was clear that for whatever reason we were not achieving it. I suspect that there was definitely a large enough faction who were deliberately boycotting the matches just because of Lowe and the proof of that will be if we continue playing the same old crap that we have become accustomed to being served this season and yet attendances remain at a level significantly higher than that break even level as they were for Saturday and the next two matches. You might suggest that the attendance levels rose just because of support garnered because we are fighting for our very existence, but most knew perfectly well that we would reach this crunch situation if we did not keep the overdraft on an even keel and still stayed away because of Lowe and the Quisling. Ideally, we would have had the mass boycott to oust Lowe and Wilde a couple of months ago and then had more time to fight for survival in this division, but instead there has been the gradual decline in attendances which has achieved the same result, but much later. Even had Lowe managed to keep going, it was inevitable that we would have been relegated and gone into administration early next season because of the number of people who had promised to boycott the ST sales next season. If the same thing was to happen, I'd rather it was sooner rather than later.
John B Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Save us from what? Administration, relegation, our very existence? There was conjecture that we needed an attendance level for home matches of about 17,000 or so. I don't know whether that figure was accurate, but it was clear that for whatever reason we were not achieving it. I suspect that there was definitely a large enough faction who were deliberately boycotting the matches just because of Lowe and the proof of that will be if we continue playing the same old crap that we have become accustomed to being served this season and yet attendances remain at a level significantly higher than that break even level as they were for Saturday and the next two matches. You might suggest that the attendance levels rose just because of support garnered because we are fighting for our very existence, but most knew perfectly well that we would reach this crunch situation if we did not keep the overdraft on an even keel and still stayed away because of Lowe and the Quisling. Ideally, we would have had the mass boycott to oust Lowe and Wilde a couple of months ago and then had more time to fight for survival in this division, but instead there has been the gradual decline in attendances which has achieved the same result, but much later. Even had Lowe managed to keep going, it was inevitable that we would have been relegated and gone into administration early next season because of the number of people who had promised to boycott the ST sales next season. If the same thing was to happen, I'd rather it was sooner rather than later. In some ways it might have been better to have been relegated last season because as you say The Lowe Affect plus the Bank pulling the plug and not being able to sell anybody was leading us to Administration and Relegation
Nineteen Canteen Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 OK, I'll change the words just for you: That's exactly what you claimed, which is not correct as attendances went up when you compare Crouch's reign with the reign that preceeded it. HTH:wink: Um you just don't get it. Crouch started off with a crowd average of x after his first game in charge, ignoring what went before his reign and discounting his last game (Sheff Utd) he ended up presiding over a falling average attendance on his watch. Perhaps this was down to his false promises about investment, lies about the need to sell players for financial reasons (ok we loaned them) and repeated comments that the play offs were still a firm belief in the club for last season throughout January. Numbers under Lowe dropped initially because of some severely misguided fans but crowd numbers actually held up quite well despite being hamstrung by cost cuts. As you're the accountant shall we now discuss players wages during Lowe's wilderness years as a percentage of total revenue. You start.
John B Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 Um you just don't get it. Crouch started off with a crowd average of x after his first game in charge, ignoring what went before his reign and discounting his last game (Sheff Utd) he ended up presiding over a falling average attendance on his watch. Perhaps this was down to his false promises about investment, lies about the need to sell players for financial reasons (ok we loaned them) and repeated comments that the play offs were still a firm belief in the club for last season throughout January. Numbers under Lowe dropped initially because of some severely misguided fans but crowd numbers actually held up quite well despite being hamstrung by cost cuts. As you're the accountant shall we now discuss players wages during Lowe's wilderness years as a percentage of total revenue. You start. Surely in the season when Crouch was Chairman the attendances were swelled by season ticket holders who bought tickets assumming SFC were going to be successful after reaching the play ofs. The number of season tickets sold this season probably reduced because of a number of factors including the Lowe one.
Wes Tender Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 I honestly wouldn't rule it out. I reckon Lowe will be hurting (as I think him doing the media rounds is showing) and I reckon he still thinks there is some unfinished to be done. Throw in he has some rather rich buddies and an inside track on some of the issues and it is plausible. Maybe him doing the media rounds is a PR exercise in trying to deflect blame ready for another comeback????? I'm certain that Lowe doing the PR rounds is because he is attempting to save face with his City cronies. It's an easy matter for him to blame those gormless knuckle draggers in the fan base and say that they didn't understand or support his plans to run the club efficiently and on a sound financial basis. I'm also convinced that there will be those of his contemporaries who will rejoice at his downfall, as he was probably obnoxiously smug that he had been one of the youngest chairmen of a Premiership club, gaining influence for a short while at the top table of the FA. Many might express sympathy to his face and smirk knowingly behind his back. As for the possibility that he has wealthy friends and contacts who might bankroll a buy-out of the club from the administrators and put him in charge, I very much doubt that. These people didn't gain their wealth by putting people in charge of their businesses with a record of failure not once but twice. Thankfully, Lowe is a busted flush. Now all we have to do, is ensure that we rid the club of Askham too. Quite how he managed to inveigle himself into the directors' box on Saturday is beyond me. Let the parasite buy his own tickets like the rest of us.
John B Posted 6 April, 2009 Posted 6 April, 2009 I'm certain that Lowe doing the PR rounds is because he is attempting to save face with his City cronies. It's an easy matter for him to blame those gormless knuckle draggers in the fan base and say that they didn't understand or support his plans to run the club efficiently and on a sound financial basis. I'm also convinced that there will be those of his contemporaries who will rejoice at his downfall, as he was probably obnoxiously smug that he had been one of the youngest chairmen of a Premiership club, gaining influence for a short while at the top table of the FA. Many might express sympathy to his face and smirk knowingly behind his back. As for the possibility that he has wealthy friends and contacts who might bankroll a buy-out of the club from the administrators and put him in charge, I very much doubt that. These people didn't gain their wealth by putting people in charge of their businesses with a record of failure not once but twice. Thankfully, Lowe is a busted flush. Now all we have to do, is ensure that we rid the club of Askham too. Quite how he managed to inveigle himself into the directors' box on Saturday is beyond me. Let the parasite buy his own tickets like the rest of us. I think most indepedent Observers in the City think that Lowe was not totally responsible for driving SLH into administration. Lowe is probably ****ed off that his efforts came to nothing with the bank not supporting him.
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