Consortium / Prospective buyer in now!

[Nineteen Canteen]

and also take into account how hated the man was / is. They will also compare gates with when he wasnt around the last time, averaged more than 15,000 then.

 

Mike, I don't want to embarrass you but gates fell under Crouch and after Lowe left the last time the promise of the returning thousands didn't materialise despite the hope of new money. Check the stats but revenues have declined consistently and the past 9 months goes to prove only one thing that whilst the club try to improve their position many of our fans can't match the effort.

[Scummer]

Now if we can't sell out under those circumstances then it just goes to show how plastic many of our so called fans are.

 

It was a bigger crowd than we got many times in the premiership.

[Junior Mullet]

Er... when we start next season on minus 30 points in League 1 it may well be a terrible, catastrophic thing...

 

bit early to start getting smug.

 

Sort term pain for long term gain Benjii. The plc structure would have seen us fall lower in the longer term.

 

These are exciting times.

[dubai_phil]

We indeed have no choice on this matter, as Lowe failed and delivered us into the hands of this nasty man.

 

Source?

 

You met him then? hmmm - UP in making a bid shocker

 

 

Personally, I would think that if many previous Football Admins are any guideline, Mr Fry will turn out to be the most pleasant and professional of all the people involved in picking over the bones of the extinct dinaosaur that was SFC

[ottery st mary]

Nothing suspect about it Wade, the administrator is there to act solely in the best interests of the creditors and will accept a bid that is only acceptable to the creditors. If no bid is acceptable the club will be sold off along with its assets to the highest bidder starting with the players. At the moment I don't see anyone coming up with enough cash to satisfy the creditors and will therefore have to convince them of some form of part repayment and convincing business plan. All I can say is they will have their work cut out as we will be in League 1 next season and no spare cash to finance the purchase or pay salaries to players capable of getting us back to the CCC. Do any of these new bidders have seriously deep pockets in the tens of millions? I also doubt anything with Crouch in tow is hardly going to be attractive to the creditors to those consortiums trying to formulate a rescue package that involves part repayment and future promises.

 

Like it or lump it Lowe in control of the club was always going to be better than have our fate placed in the hands of now fiercely over-regulated and risk averse creditor whose fingers having been severely burned on bad credit decisions. Any fan who thought otherwise was simply blind to their own hatred.

 

 

At least there is now hope......As nick says we now unite and win the lottery to boot. Maybe..

 

Before we had lost all hope...But please do not keep harping back Frank...Join us in the purchase of a lottery ticket and HOPE. It is what dreams are made of....I won big last week and sent my tenner to Saints. Onwards and Upwards.....I am with nick Saints United.:smt049

[um pahars]

Mike, I don't want to embarrass you but gates fell under Crouch

 

Haven't we been here before LMFAO

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=221397&highlight=reappointment#post221397

 

 

 

Average attendance for the 11 games prior to Crouch's reappointment in Dec 2007

 

20,585

 

 

Average attendance for the 12 games under Crouch from Dec 2007 to May 2008

 

21867

 

 

 

If you're going to make such claims, then at least check they stand up to scrutiny.

 

 

 

Keep 'em coming troll boy:---)

[slickmick]

It was a bigger crowd than we got many times in the premiership.

 

 

Our average gates were about 30,000 from memory. I can't remember many times gates being under 27,000.

[OldNick]

Haven't we been here before LMFAO

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=221397&highlight=reappointment#post221397

 

 

 

Average attendance for the 11 games prior to Crouch's reappointment in Dec 2007

 

20,585

 

 

Average attendance for the 12 games under Crouch from Dec 2007 to May 2008

 

21867

 

 

 

If you're going to make such claims, then at least check they stand up to scrutiny.

 

 

 

Keep 'em coming troll boy:---)

Um if you took out the SU game or then worked out the average what would it be then? I think it is fair to judge the SU game as a freak much like this seasons Man u game.

[um pahars]

Um if you took out the SU game or then worked out the average what would it be then? I think it is fair to judge the SU game as a freak much like this seasons Man u game.

 

And if you took out the Opening game and if you took out the game against newly relegated Wets Brom and what about the games against local(ish) opposition like Palace, Charlton and maybe even Cardiff.

 

What about the number of evening games in both parts of the season?

 

What about the effect on attendances in the second half of the season when we relatively sht and had just got dumped out of the cup by Bristol Rovers?

 

If, what and my aunty having ******.

 

If you want to talk about averages and make claims, then you have to be able to substantiate them

 

(and not being rude, but you've asked exactly the same question before and you've received an answer. But then again going by your memory suggesting we played great football under Poortvliet, then perhaps I shouldn't be too surprised you can't remember).

[OldNick]

And if you took out the Opening game and if you took out the game against newly relegated Wets Brom and what about the games against local(ish) opposition like Palace, Charlton and maybe even Cardiff.

 

What about the number of evening games in both parts of the season?

 

What about the effect on attendances in the second half of the season when we relatively sht and had just got dumped out of the cup by Bristol Rovers?

 

If, what and my aunty having ******.

 

If you want to talk about averages and make claims, then you have to be able to substantiate them

 

(and not being rude, but you've asked exactly the same question before and you've received an answer. But then again going by your memory suggesting we played great football under Poortvliet, then perhaps I shouldn't be too surprised you can't remember).

Even you will concede that by having the SU game on the stats it would skew the figure. Probably not enough to make a mssive difference but perhaps by 2k a game.

Again you dont get it, I saisd we played more attractive football under Jan , not effective but more attractive, dont twist the wording.

[Whitey Grandad]

Even you will concede that by having the SU game on the stats it would skew the figure. Probably not enough to make a mssive difference but perhaps by 2k a game.

Again you dont get it, I saisd we played more attractive football under Jan , not effective but more attractive, dont twist the wording.

I never thought it attractive.

[Nineteen Canteen]

We indeed have no choice on this matter, as Lowe failed and delivered us into the hands of this nasty man.

 

Indeed and with an army of help led by a few misguided generals supposedly in the same camp.

[Wade Garrett]

I couldn't give a toss about previous attendances.

 

Fact is, a lot of people feel like a cloud has been lifted from the club with the demise of Lowe.

 

Not too many people are sorry to see him go.

[Master Bates]

If, what and my aunty having ******.

 

I'm interested to know what your Auntie's having.

[um pahars]

Even you will concede that by having the SU game on the stats it would skew the figure. Probably not enough to make a mssive difference but perhaps by 2k a game.

Again you dont get it, I saisd we played more attractive football under Jan , not effective but more attractive, dont twist the wording.

 

Two points:

 

1) I don't know why I'm bothering, but even if you take Sheff Utd out of the equation, then attendances still rose under Crouch.

 

But that's spectacularly missing the point (something which you've become quite an expert on) as we haven't made any adjustments for the myriad of issues I mentioned above. If you want to use averages you don't then say I want an average without this, without that, add that back in, that's not fair. :rolleyes:

 

2) Attractive football under Poortvliet. Do me a favour. Of course it's all subjective and how you see football, but apart from a the odd good game and some pretty triangles in the middle fo the pitch (WGS would call it propaganda fotball) we were served up dross and ultimatley the table does not lie.:smt017

[Nineteen Canteen]

Haven't we been here before LMFAO

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=221397&highlight=reappointment#post221397

 

 

 

Average attendance for the 11 games prior to Crouch's reappointment in Dec 2007

 

20,585

 

 

Average attendance for the 12 games under Crouch from Dec 2007 to May 2008

 

21867

 

 

 

If you're going to make such claims, then at least check they stand up to scrutiny.

 

 

 

Keep 'em coming troll boy:---)

 

Didn't we agree last time as well to remove the obvious spikes when the plastics/rubberneckers turned up for fear of missing out on something. In the analysis with Lowe's record we removed the Forest and the Man U game and so we need to take out the 32k for the Sheff Utd game because if Crouch and Pearson had done their job that would have been an 18,000 game if that. Perhaps that was part of their big plan Um? Anyway both pale into insignificance the average gate under the Administrators.

 

It's always great to have a statto on board willing to do your donkey work for you. You're an asset to the forum and your company no doubt.

[um pahars]

I'm interested to know what your Auntie's having.

 

bllocks

[Master Bates]

:shock:

[JustMike]

Mike, I don't want to embarrass you but gates fell under Crouch and after Lowe left the last time the promise of the returning thousands didn't materialise despite the hope of new money. Check the stats but revenues have declined consistently and the past 9 months goes to prove only one thing that whilst the club try to improve their position many of our fans can't match the effort.

 

I meant when wilde 1st came. Im prettry sure we had an higher average in the season we reached the playoffs. Crouch was in sole control for how long?

[um pahars]

Didn't we agree last time

 

You were wrong last time and you're wrong again today.

 

Keep 'em coming troll boy, this is like shooting fish in a barrel;)

[JustMike]

Indeed and with an army of help led by a few misguided generals supposedly in the same camp.

 

is that a semi confession that Lowe was at some fault?

[Nineteen Canteen]

I couldn't give a toss about previous attendances.

 

Fact is, a lot of people feel like a cloud has been lifted from the club with the demise of Lowe.

 

Not too many people are sorry to see him go.

 

You might not give a toss Wade (which I doubt on both counts) but any prospective investor worth their Salz will be mighty concerned. A lot of people feel that whilst a fluffy white cloud may have passed over the horizon that occassionally blocked out the sun its nothing compared to the mother of all storms now brewing over head. In terms of forecasts many of our fans seem to be in the Michael Fish camp.

 

Surely its only those filled with blind hatred agree with your last statement with the benfit of hindsight as we start down both barrells this morning.

[eelpie]

Again you dont get it, I saisd we played more attractive football under Jan , not effective but more attractive, dont twist the wording.

 

This was the trouble. Lowe's choices could not put together both reasonably attractive and reasonably effective footie.

[ottery st mary]

You might not give a toss Wade (which I doubt on both counts) but any prospective investor worth their Salz will be mighty concerned. A lot of people feel that whilst a fluffy white cloud may have passed over the horizon that occassionally blocked out the sun its nothing compared to the mother of all storms now brewing over head. In terms of forecasts many of our fans seem to be in the Michael Fish camp.

 

Surely its only those filled with blind hatred agree with your last statement with the benfit of hindsight as we start down both barrells this morning.

 

Are you a wannabee script writer by chance....A failed University public schoolboy type who followed one schoolboy chum around...Correct me if I am wrong...They get called FAG.......But regardless..I am not being rude only

wondering why you have NO hope in view of the Hurricane, Tornado and Torrential Storms under your boys sloppy umbrella.

 

You must try and come on The New Train of hope 19 we are about to leave the station.....We are being waved off by Rupes who is to remain behind to collect other train numbers for his collection....Onwards and......:smt049

Edited 6 April, 2009 by ottery st mary
spellin as usual correct any other errors as you see fit 19

[monosaint]

The most important thing to me about our current predicament is that Lowe and Wilde have no influence whatsoever over the potential buyer. In the past, as major shareholders they were able to control this but now of course they have no control. They effectively stopped the SISU bid from going through.

 

I am hoping that any potential buyer is taking a strategic view of the club and that, although relegation would be awful, it is not going to detract from their strategic intent.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Two points:

 

1) I don't know why I'm bothering, but even if you take Sheff Utd out of the equation, then attendances still rose under Crouch.

 

 

It's because you can't stop yourself Um.

 

You're right of course replacing the Sheff Utd game with the average attendance prior to that game Crouch achieved an average attendance of roughly 360 more a game. I reckon that was enough to pay 66% of Skacel's weekly wage or nearly all of Idiakez's or all of BWP's. What was the total wage bill as a percentage to revenues? 360 didn't really cut it and we can only hope any consortium with Crouch involved doesn't point to this statistic.

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

Two points:

 

1) I don't know why I'm bothering, but even if you take Sheff Utd out of the equation, then attendances still rose under Crouch.

 

 

It's because you can't stop yourself Um.

 

You're right of course replacing the Sheff Utd game with the average attendance prior to that game Crouch achieved an average attendance of roughly 360 more a game. I reckon that was enough to pay 66% of Skacel's weekly wage or nearly all of Idiakez's or all of BWP's. What was the total wage bill as a percentage to revenues? 360 didn't really cut it and we can only hope any consortium with Crouch involved doesn't point to this statistic.

 

You really are a ****. Why did you drop your last nickname. Sundance Beast suited you. Is it because you don't want to be associated with all the crap you spouted? Trouble is, you can't help yourself and you're doing it all again...

[Greenridge]

Two points:

 

1) I don't know why I'm bothering, but even if you take Sheff Utd out of the equation, then attendances still rose under Crouch.

 

But that's spectacularly missing the point (something which you've become quite an expert on) as we haven't made any adjustments for the myriad of issues I mentioned above. If you want to use averages you don't then say I want an average without this, without that, add that back in, that's not fair. :rolleyes:

 

2) Attractive football under Poortvliet. Do me a favour. Of course it's all subjective and how you see football, but apart from a the odd good game and some pretty triangles in the middle fo the pitch (WGS would call it propaganda fotball) we were served up dross and ultimatley the table does not lie.:smt017

 

UP maybe you could keep the teams that played in blue in the stats but not those in red or white or yellow. Or maybe it was the other way round I'm not sure but some combination (other than those that showed the increase under Crouch of course) will please your debating opponents I'm sure...

[um pahars]

Crouch achieved an average attendance of roughly 360 more a game.

 

So even if you doctor the figures attendances still rose, which makes your claim of :

 

Mike, I don't want to embarrass you but gates fell under Crouch

 

as still being wrong.:rolleyes:

 

Wrong as it was a couple of months ago and still as wrong today.:---):---)

 

Keep 'em coming troll boy;)

[Nineteen Canteen]

I meant when wilde 1st came. Im prettry sure we had an higher average in the season we reached the playoffs. Crouch was in sole control for how long?

 

I don't know Mike the exact numbers as I tend to go with my gut feel. My gut tells me fans did not return post the first Lowe era as we were led to believe. I leave it up to Um to crunch numbers and tell us they increased by many hundreds. The point remains that our crowds are far lower post relegation than those of many of our peers and therefore we will always be at a competitive disadvantage because of money and hence our organic grow your own policy developed to be one of the best under Lowe.

 

Ottery - loving your work and thanks for acknowledging that you are responding to me in your last post not Frank. Happy to let it go the first time but since you asked. It not easy for any of us least those trying to believe the right thing has happened. Even the players don't believe it which is fairly crucial.

[Nineteen Canteen]

 

You really are a ****. Why did you drop your last nickname. Sundance Beast suited you. Is it because you don't want to be associated with all the crap you spouted? Trouble is, you can't help yourself and you're doing it all again...

 

Crap or valid comment?

[um pahars]

I don't know Mike the exact numbers as I tend to go with my gut feel.

 

In which case get some Danone down you, as your gut is not working propoerly and certainly don't trot out:

 

Mike, I don't want to embarrass you but gates fell under Crouch

 

because whether you post as Flashman, The Bear, Sundance Or Nineteen you will only end up embarrassing yourself.:---):---):---)

 

HTH ( until the next time you embarass yourself;))

Edited 6 April, 2009 by um pahars
no idea what the swear filter thought I was doing

[Nineteen Canteen]

So even if you doctor the figures attendances still rose, which makes your claim of :

 

 

 

as still being wrong.:rolleyes:

 

Wrong as it was a couple of months ago and still as wrong today.:---):---)

 

Keep 'em coming troll boy;)

 

Lot of Smiley's today Um, must be getting to you or you're getting tired of trying to defend the current position of our club. Can Crouch or Salz or whoever use 360 extra fans a game as justification to get the club on the cheap and perhaps not repay our creditors in full and persuade them to stay on side? Doubt Danny Wilde and Lord Brett Sinclair could do that.

[ottery st mary]

I don't know Mike the exact numbers as I tend to go with my gut feel. My gut tells me fans did not return post the first Lowe era as we were led to believe. I leave it up to Um to crunch numbers and tell us they increased by many hundreds. The point remains that our crowds are far lower post relegation than those of many of our peers and therefore we will always be at a competitive disadvantage because of money and hence our organic grow your own policy developed to be one of the best under Lowe.

 

Ottery - loving your work and thanks for acknowledging that you are responding to me in your last post not Frank. Happy to let it go the first time but since you asked. It not easy for any of us least those trying to believe the right thing has happened. Even the players don't believe it which is fairly crucial.

 

Sorry 19...I get all you Actooors or Luvvies mixed up with public schoolboys.

Having said that not sure about Frank...He seems like a long lost Uncle who got taken away to knowle when I was young...Maybe getting him mixed up with my Auntie who was Auntie Frank after the operation...The majority of the players will not be here next season....I see Kaka, Messi, Henry,Ottery,

Ronaldo, Rooney etc. :smt049

[eelpie]

I thought we were all supposed to be united in adversity now. Silly me.

[Nineteen Canteen]

In which case get some Danone down you, as your gut is not working propoerly and certainly don't trot out:

 

 

 

because whether you post as Flashman, The Bear, Sundance Or Nineteen you will only end up embarrassing yourself.:---):---):---)

 

HTH *****il the next time you embarass yourself;))

 

5 smileys and still only selecting the points from people's post where you think you can make yourself look superior. I just make observations Um that concern me as to how any investor apart from a very rich one can justify taking this club on. Beyond gathering the stats you actually have very liitle to say Um or unable to express it sitting at a keyboard.

[JustMike]

I don't know Mike the exact numbers as I tend to go with my gut feel. My gut tells me fans did not return post the first Lowe era as we were led to believe. I leave it up to Um to crunch numbers and tell us they increased by many hundreds. The point remains that our crowds are far lower post relegation than those of many of our peers and therefore we will always be at a competitive disadvantage because of money and hence our organic grow your own policy developed to be one of the best under Lowe.

 

Ottery - loving your work and thanks for acknowledging that you are responding to me in your last post not Frank. Happy to let it go the first time but since you asked. It not easy for any of us least those trying to believe the right thing has happened. Even the players don't believe it which is fairly crucial.

 

had you not also considered that had Lowe appointed a proper manager rather than the JP experiment (something in which he still didnt learn from his previous mistakes, Grey, Wigley etc) then maybe results / performances would have been better and the crowds would ahve gone up.

[um pahars]

I thought we were all supposed to be united in adversity now. Silly me.

 

Someone just PM'd me and likened it to the last stand at the Kehlsteinhaus.

 

I couldn't comment ether way.

[Charlie Wayman]

I just hope it's not that devious b*gg*r Wise and his pals. Did nothing at Newcastle except cause mayhem. We are near London, he's played here, just missed out on the managership so he could be one of them up for it.

 

We have to face it chaps, I've been coming here for nearly 60 years and crowds of 25K + at either The Dell or SMS have been the rare exception rather than the rule. 17/18K tops is all we ever get even when we are doing well in settled circumstances. In the unlikely event we'll ever see the BIG FOUR here again, even their presence will pall over time just 'cos people get fed up with having no chance and losing 4-0 or worse.

[um pahars]

I just make observations .

 

You just make obsevrations that are either (a) wrong or (b) lies :---)

 

Keep 'em coming troll boy (and remember no more rude PM's please;))

[Nineteen Canteen]

Sorry 19...I get all you Actooors or Luvvies mixed up with public schoolboys.

Having said that not sure about Frank...He seems like a long lost Uncle who got taken away to knowle when I was young...Maybe getting him mixed up with my Auntie who was Auntie Frank after the operation...The majority of the players will not be here next season....I see Kaka, Messi, Henry,Ottery,

Ronaldo, Rooney etc. :smt049

 

LOL - it's knowle for you to by the sound's if it. If we surivive I see the likes of Gobern, Pulis, Lancashire, Euell, Wotton, Pericard...!

[um pahars]

17/18K tops is all we ever get even when we are doing well in settled circumstances.

 

I'm not putting my rosey specs on, but I think you've been too cautious there.

 

Certainly we'd only regularly get 30,000 in the Premiership, but I can't help but think we could get 20k-22k (maybe even more) if we were all pulling together and just doing alright in this division.

 

Impossible to prove either way, but I do think the Dell constrained our ability to get people in on a regular basis.

[ottery st mary]

LOL - it's knowle for you to by the sound's if it. If we surivive I see the likes of Gobern, Pulis, Lancashire, Euell, Wotton, Pericard...!

 

If we get old man Pulis at least his nipper would get a game..We could call it Pulis another one consortium.

 

19 If I promise to talk some sense about Saints will you promise everyone to follow my lead:smt049

[Frank's cousin]

Haven't we been here before LMFAO

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=221397&highlight=reappointment#post221397

 

 

 

Average attendance for the 11 games prior to Crouch's reappointment in Dec 2007

 

20,585

 

 

Average attendance for the 12 games under Crouch from Dec 2007 to May 2008

 

21867

 

 

 

If you're going to make such claims, then at least check they stand up to scrutiny.

 

 

 

Keep 'em coming troll boy:---)

 

The beauty of stats - make them tell you what you want... Do you at least recognise that the Crouch figures include the run in and importantly the last game of season sell out - traditionally higher in gate? ;-)

 

Surely nmow teh key is what sort of gate we get next season - I suspect if its CCC it will bebetween 15-20k and if its league 1 12-15k

 

Basically, our gate is about product for sure, but thats in part due to the division we are in not just teh way we are playing - + economic climate - its no surprise that the moment teh cost in reduced to £15 we get more through the turnstiles....

Edited 6 April, 2009 by Frank's cousin

[Nineteen Canteen]

You just make obsevrations that are either (a) wrong or (b) lies :---)

 

Keep 'em coming troll boy (and remember no more rude PM's please;))

 

How long shall we keep this going until you have the last word? OCD is it or god forbid you incite me into the use of emoticons? If so let me know as it's the Easter Holiday's so I can ask my son how to use them although he is a bit grown up for them. Apparently they are not that cool for even teenagers.

 

My opinions or observations may prove to be wrong but I have never genuinely lied about anything but due to what get's posted sometimes misinterpret events even though they seem very clear at the time that I feel confident to repeat them. How I misread block 4 for block 10 for instance is something I'll never quite understand unless of course block 10 was originally posted and some posters have friends us mere mortals can only dream about.

 

Still, conspiracy theories aside, there are things I can do which you can't and that is I can accept when I'm wrong, happy to post opinion popular or otherwise and happy to let the obsessives have the last word. Off you go, the floor is your's give us a controversial opinion Um. You secretly loved Rupert? Administration is scary and you now sleep with the light on? Common Um open up and avoid the red triangle before I put you on ignore as your Emoticons are affecting the performance of my new upgraded XPS.

[Nineteen Canteen]

If we get old man Pulis at least his nipper would get a game..We could call it Pulis another one consortium.

 

19 If I promise to talk some sense about Saints will you promise everyone to follow my lead:smt049

 

I onced listened to Crouch's promises

[ottery st mary]

I onced listened to Crouch's promises

 

You just can't do it, can you?:---)

[SaintRichmond]

Haven't we been here before LMFAO

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=221397&highlight=reappointment#post221397

 

 

 

 

Average attendance for the 11 games prior to Crouch's reappointment in Dec 2007

 

20,585

 

 

Average attendance for the 12 games under Crouch from Dec 2007 to May 2008

 

21867

 

 

 

If you're going to make such claims, then at least check they stand up to scrutiny.

 

 

 

Keep 'em coming troll boy:---)

 

 

What is the average attendance for 2008/9 ..... exclusively under Lowe ???

[um pahars]

The beauty of stats - make them tell you what you want...

 

They do indeed, but it seems as though you've jumped straight in and fallen into the same dumb trap as nickh did.

[Frank's cousin]

They do indeed, but it seems as though you've jumped straight in and fallen into the same dumb trap as nickh did.

 

Cant be arsed reading through all the guff argument so do please enlighten.... because from where it makes feck all difference but the ever so slight increase in gates is MORE than likely to be simply the run extras - as opposed to some Crouch love in thats all... Our numbers are simply down to cost v value / entertainment + 50 of lowe protest returns.... like I said teh only true measure will be next season.

Edited 6 April, 2009 by Frank's cousin