Consortium / Prospective buyer in now!

[Nineteen Canteen]

Wonder who he is meeting ?!?

 

 

Regards

 

 

Morph

 

Dear Morph,

 

Welcome back although perhaps a touch inevitable now the juicy carcass is laid bare ripe for the pickings no matter how slim.

 

I congratulate you on your patience and of course your shrewd business acumen or at least those you are close to but surely your return is no coincidence?

 

Willing as always to support and be enlightened but this looks distinctly more tricky than 12 months ago don't you agree?

 

Best Regards

 

NC

 

PS: would have been easier to send you a pm

[Red and White Army]

Pleased at being vinidcated

 

You are not vindicated, you're just a ****.

[Gingeletiss]

No, the rats that started deserting the ship after Charlton's 3rd goal was more proof that a lot of fans don't understand the word support. I have huge respect for those in the Northam who waved their STs today at the 'plastics' and its not about Lowe, Wilde or Crouch its simply about buying a ticket on a regular basis to support you team. Too many have forgotten that and that is a large part why we are where we are tonight. The fans were obviously on a wave of optimism especially those returning after a self imposed absence but the players I suspect thought the same as those in the Northam. Where the f*** were you? Too little too late.

 

You total pleb!!!!!!!!.......I can remember that at every home game at the Dell, standing at the Milton, and watching all the Season's (seats), leave early.

 

You really are a sore looser, not happy when fans stayed away,and not happy, when they return.

[OldNick]

You total pleb!!!!!!!!.......I can remember that at every home game at the Dell, standing at the Milton, and watching all the Season's (seats), leave early.

 

You really are a sore looser, not happy when fans stayed away,and not happy, when they return.

Ginge normally I wouldnt worry but yesterday we were there to show the world our support of the club, to turn up and then desert with 25minutes to go was unworthy IMO

[SaintRichmond]

Well i'm convinced people were waiting for admin to happen. Makes it a bit easier for them. I hope we do get some luck and someone snaps us up. I'm leaving for the game in a min, COME ON YOU SAINTS.

 

As Lowe was, and always was, THE stumbling block to ANY ouside Investment coming in, it's a level playing field now ( excuse the pun )

[um pahars]

Ginge normally I wouldnt worry but yesterday we were there to show the world our support of the club, to turn up and then desert with 25minutes to go was unworthy IMO

 

So a few hundred left out of a crowd of 28,000. Big deal.

 

And if any prospective buyer was swayed by a couple of hundred walking out after conceding a third goal at home to the worst team in the division in a shambles of a season, then I don't think they would be right for the Club anyway.

[Nineteen Canteen]

So a few hundred left out of a crowd of 28,000. Big deal.

 

And if any prospective buyer was swayed by a couple of hundred walking out after conceding a third goal at home to the worst team in the division in a shambles of a season, then I don't think they would be right for the Club anyway.

 

You know as well as me Um that any prospective buyer is not going to be influenced by a crowd of 28,000 yesterday and they will look at levels of support back to Lowe's last tenure and find that we are a fairly unreliable bunch when it comes to giving support when it's really needed to support change and a successful rebuild. Beyond a hard core of about 15,000 we are a reactionary mob who turn up only when they feel they may be missing out on something.

[Johnny Bognor]

You know as well as me Um that any prospective buyer is not going to be influenced by a crowd of 28,000 yesterday and they will look at levels of support back to Lowe's last tenure and find that we are a fairly unreliable bunch when it comes to giving support when it's really needed to support change and a successful rebuild. Beyond a hard core of about 15,000 we are a reactionary mob who turn up only when they feel they may be missing out on something.

 

I would hope that any prospective buyer will look at the levels of support during Lowe's tenure and recognise that like any other business, customers count and their support cannot be taken for granted. Successful businesses place the customer first by offering real value - unsuccessful ones don't, will fade and disappear. It's as simple as that really (but a bean counter like Lowe would never understand this).

[INFLUENCED.COM]

I'm pleased that a forum poster has made an approach, I know alot on here clash with him but I thought fair play when the administrator said "Nineteen has enquired to buy saints"

[dubai_phil]

You know as well as me Um that any prospective buyer is not going to be influenced by a crowd of 28,000 yesterday and they will look at levels of support back to Lowe's last tenure and find that we are a fairly unreliable bunch when it comes to giving support when it's really needed to support change and a successful rebuild. Beyond a hard core of about 15,000 we are a reactionary mob who turn up only when they feel they may be missing out on something.

 

Any professional businessman will not be influenced by a crowd of 28,000.

They will have noticed that we have a hard core of 15,000.

 

They will THEN be fully aware that to get above that level the PRODUCT on offer - ie Entertainment Value &/or results will have an impact upon the FINAL attendance level.

 

I swear that if we get another idiot in at the top of this club who cannot understand that basic fact we may as well not bother worrying about whether the administrator gets a pound for the club or not.

 

Football in general has taken advantage of the tribal nature of us "loyal suckers" many stages too far in the past years, culminating in the rubbish that Lowe's revolting (oops revolutionary) management team put out on the SMS pitch this season.

[dubai_phil]

I'm pleased that a forum poster has made an approach, I know alot on here clash with him but I thought fair play when the administrator said "Nineteen has enquired to buy saints"

 

Golden Post

 

Respect

[SaintBobby]

You know as well as me Um that any prospective buyer is not going to be influenced by a crowd of 28,000 yesterday and they will look at levels of support back to Lowe's last tenure and find that we are a fairly unreliable bunch when it comes to giving support when it's really needed to support change and a successful rebuild. Beyond a hard core of about 15,000 we are a reactionary mob who turn up only when they feel they may be missing out on something.

 

What a load of nonsense.

 

Like every other in the world, the number of tickets we could sell (and the price we could sell them at) is closely linked to our performance.

 

Yesterday's attendance DOES matter - because it shows the level of support that can be built. No one's going to buy the club on the evidence of one crowd of 27,000, but it does indicate we may be able to pull in big crowds (with the right pricing policy) in League One. That matters.

[Morph]

Dear Morph,

 

Welcome back although perhaps a touch inevitable now the juicy carcass is laid bare ripe for the pickings no matter how slim.

 

I congratulate you on your patience ........................at least those you are close to but surely your return is no coincidence?

 

 

Good things come to those that wait

 

Kindest Regards

 

 

Morph

[dubai_phil]

Good things come to those that wait

 

Kindest Regards

 

 

Morph

 

This would be the people that allegedly could be said to have colluded with the bank to foreclose and have a pound to buy the club?

 

That would be a good start in the moral high stakes.

 

Hope diaries and minutes have been shredded and certainly weren't kept on the internet for when the angry brigade's media friends really get going on the investigative work.

 

Hell hath no fury like an arrogant egotist scorned

 

Take care with the snippets Morph, too many sharks in the sea these days to go paddling around with an open wound

 

IMHO

[miserableoldgit]

This would be the people that allegedly could be said to have colluded with the bank to foreclose and have a pound to buy the club?

 

That would be a good start in the moral high stakes.

 

Hope diaries and minutes have been shredded and certainly weren't kept on the internet for when the angry brigade's media friends really get going on the investigative work.

 

Hell hath no fury like an arrogant egotist scorned

 

Take care with the snippets Morph, too many sharks in the sea these days to go paddling around with an open wound

 

IMHO

Are you Eric Cantona??

[benjii]

You know as well as me Um that any prospective buyer is not going to be influenced by a crowd of 28,000 yesterday and they will look at levels of support back to Lowe's last tenure and find that we are a fairly unreliable bunch when it comes to giving support when it's really needed to support change and a successful rebuild. Beyond a hard core of about 15,000 we are a reactionary mob who turn up only when they feel they may be missing out on something.

 

What they will know is that an average level of success in the Championship brings crowds in the 20,000s, that utter dross in the Championship brings crowds of circa 15k, which is perfectly respectable, and that if we get back in the Prem (Ha!) we would sell out every week.

 

Our support is quite good. A "hardcore" of 15,000 is quite good. It's more than quite a few teams in the Premier League.

 

Fact.

[Chez]

wonder what the attendance would have been if the ticket price had been the normalo £25.

[dubai_phil]

Are you Eric Cantona??

 

Well someone once said that I fell over on the pitch with less grace than Cantona fell into the crowd.

 

Sorry my take

 

The Echo said only 2 serious bids. I don't think that is correct. In situations like this you will have people close to the club in some way, people who know people who are talked into it and then you will have people looking at asset stripping. It is the same at every admin/auction etc

Believe me, with the debts gone, there are a lot of assets in this club of ours.

Now I like all the fans want to see somebody come in with feeling for the club, feeling for our history, wisdom and a vision and plan to rebuild us and get us back to the PL no matter how long it takes.

I PREFER that to NOT include Crouch who for one reason ONLY screwed up when he did not finish Lowe off and left the door open.

But what I DO worry about is that gentle leaks and ideas of money are good but SPECIFIC indications of matters ongoing in the due process are dangerous - firstly because NDA's have to be signed and secondly because I do NOT want the club bought for a pound for somebody who's ONLY value add is to strip us of Staplewood, The Stadium, any saleable players and Jacksons Farm.

 

That is a RISK, not a certainty, but care needs to be taken.

 

Not ONE takeover leaked on here happened. Could it have been co-incidence? Or did it give time (as the conspiracists believe) for Lowe to find ways to block them. We DON'T know

 

We need to know there is some hope but until the deal is done do we need to know who is talking to the bank on what date at what time? no good can come from it

 

Oh and even the good guys may have played dirty somewhere along the line - don't feed ANY ammunition to the old PLC - IN CASE

 

IMHO and all that

[David Strover]

15,000 for team in the bottom half of the Championship, hardly ever wins at home, does not provide entertaining football and had a 'hated' (in some sections at least) board is actually fairly impressive.

 

As MLT once said - "I've seen plenty of empty seats at Old Trafford before"

 

People love been seen connected to success and hate be associated with abject failure. That is human nature. Few clubs have huge crowds in League One and League Two. Some do but it's a rare bird.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Good things come to those that wait

 

Kindest Regards

 

 

Morph

 

Dear Morph,

 

I suspect you are familiar with John Milton's Paradise Lost. There are so many appropriate extracts from that book that we should all take heed of as we proceed with extreme caution into a new age but perhaps the most fitting is where he talks of our torments in time becoming our elements. (Or words to that effect).

 

Change needs to be brutal and backed by instant action and not populist promises of more to come. The torments of the past need to stop.

 

Do you agree?

 

Best Regards

 

NC

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Dear Morph,

 

I suspect you are familiar with John Milton's Paradise Lost. There are so many appropriate extracts from that book that we should all take heed of as we proceed with extreme caution into a new age but perhaps the most fitting is where he talks of our torments in time becoming our elements. (Or words to that effect).

 

Change needs to be brutal and backed by instant action and not populist promises of more to come. The torments of the past need to stop.

 

Do you agree?

 

If only Rupert had been as well versed in Milton as you clearly are .

 

' Govern well thy appetite , lest sin surprise thee and her black attendant death.'

[Frank's cousin]

So, the people that abused those of us saying administration would be a good thing must be feeling pretty f**king stupid today............

 

We could be out of business by the season end if no buyer is found - we could be starting next season in League 1 even if by some miracle we actually got enough points to stay up, or start next season on minus points.

 

Yes we no longer have Lowe Wilde or Crouch - if that makes you happy fair enough, I am indifferent towards it, but you are hopelessly misguided and ignorant if you believe the club is in a better position than it was 10 days ago.

 

If we FIND A BUYER, who can provide funds, fantatsic, and then we will indeed be in a FAR better position, but from the rumours I have heard, there are still a lot of tyre kickers out there and 'proof of funds' is the sticking point.

 

Not sure of your motivation with this post either, it seems that your own 'vindication' is more important to you than the survival of the club.... and thats not the attitude of Saints fans

[alpine_saint]

Not sure of your motivation with this post either, it seems that your own 'vindication' is more important to you than the survival of the club.... and thats not the attitude of Saints fans

 

Utter bolllocks.

 

But why should we forget the bullshiiit and abuse people like you came out with ?

 

As for not being interested in the clubs survival, it is YOU playing down the chance of a buyer/investor coming in, not me.

 

Seems to me it is you that wants the sale to fail so you can say "look - we were better sticking with Lowe, at least we still had a club".

[Frank's cousin]

If only Rupert had been as well versed in Milton as you clearly are .

 

LOL, good point ;-)

 

I believe there are possibly genuine folk looking to do genuine deals as Morph hints at, but We should not be expecting some sort of massive cash injection and player funding - survival and consolidation (league 1) will eb th first order of the day and thats where there is a concern, because whatere we would like to believe, league one wont attract crowds of more than 13-15k at best, less if we dont do well..

[Frank's cousin]

Utter bolllocks.

 

But why should we forget the bullshiiit and abuse people like you came out with ?

 

As for not being interested in the clubs survival, it is YOU playing down the chance of a buyer/investor coming in, not me.

 

Seems to me it is you that wants the sale to fail so you can say "look - we were better sticking with Lowe, at least we still had a club".

 

Abuse? That's rich ..... suggest you revist the majority of your own posts - yes, I am playing down the chance of a BUYER, because as yet nothing is certain and we have only weeks to get something sorted. That is a realsitic CONCERN.

 

As to you rarther feeble ' Seems to me it is you that wants the sale to fail so you can say "look - we were better sticking with Lowe, at least we still had a club"'

 

I have to say i find that one of your weaker attempted insults - but to reiterate I will respond to both points:

 

1. I would be happy with ANY chairman whatsoever, if it meant Saints survived and yes that includes lowe IF and ONLY IF it was a choice between no club and a club with Lowe - thankfully that is not an option, but we still run the risk of having no club if no buyer is found - (feel free to respond here with another feeble attempt at bringing lowe into it where its not even an issue...)

 

2. Nothing would be more welcome than a positive outcome to a sale - that gave us stabilty and allowed us to consilidate and have a secure future to build on... NOTHING. Those who know me will understand that your 'fail so I can say' comment is total bull - so continue to make up as much stuff as you like, it just contuinues to illustrate your ignorance.

[Pilchards]

I see Souness has thrown his weight behind a bid too.

Not sure If I would prefer him over the BBC one?

[alpine_saint]

Abuse? That's rich ..... suggest you revist the majority of your own posts - yes, I am playing down the chance of a BUYER, because as yet nothing is certain and we have only weeks to get something sorted. That is a realsitic CONCERN.

 

As to you rarther feeble ' Seems to me it is you that wants the sale to fail so you can say "look - we were better sticking with Lowe, at least we still had a club"'

 

I have to say i find that one of your weaker attempted insults - but to reiterate I will respond to both points:

 

1. I would be happy with ANY chairman whatsoever, if it meant Saints survived and yes that includes lowe IF and ONLY IF it was a choice between no club and a club with Lowe - thankfully that is not an option, but we still run the risk of having no club if no buyer is found - (feel free to respond here with another feeble attempt at bringing lowe into it where its not even an issue...)

 

2. Nothing would be more welcome than a positive outcome to a sale - that gave us stabilty and allowed us to consilidate and have a secure future to build on... NOTHING. Those who know me will understand that your 'fail so I can say' comment is total bull - so continue to make up as much stuff as you like, it just contuinues to illustrate your ignorance.

 

Oh dear, hit a nerve have I ?

 

How come the things that concern you are "realistic concerns" and those that concern others are "being negative" ?

 

I stated all along this season that this is the way things would play out (though I expected it to go into next season and League 1 once the admin deadline in March was passed - not to happen LESS THAN A F**KING WEEK LATER - nice communication between board and Barclays, eh ?), for which we were told anything is better than admin and abused for holding that viewpoint.

 

The administrator said he is confident of selling the football club within a couple of weeks and that amongst the tyre kickers are some serious bids.

 

SO WHAT'S YOUR F**KING PROBLEM ? Is it simply that based on the situation as it stands now, its more likely that I am right than you are ? After all, it cant be that you want the club to fail without Lowe, can it, by your own words ?

 

(A piece of advice: if you dont like being accused of wanting the club to collapse, dont accuse others of it)

Edited 6 April, 2009 by alpine_saint

[Wes Tender]

You know as well as me Um that any prospective buyer is not going to be influenced by a crowd of 28,000 yesterday and they will look at levels of support back to Lowe's last tenure and find that we are a fairly unreliable bunch when it comes to giving support when it's really needed to support change and a successful rebuild. Beyond a hard core of about 15,000 we are a reactionary mob who turn up only when they feel they may be missing out on something.

 

This is total nonsense. The crowd of 28000 was immense and shows the potential that we have at this club. Anybody who is going to come in now and take us over, is likely to be either an existing fan, or will have done their research thoroughly and will therefore know that there was a large contingent of fans who were boycotting the games just because of Lowe. They will also see and hear that many fans have made financial contributions in our hour of need and that this financial help was not forthcoming while Lowe was here and our need was just as great.

 

So a few fans left early when we were 3 goals down to the bottom team. That is a message to the manager to get his act together and if he is not capable of putting forward a team and a strategy to win a match like that, then he should at least seek advice from the many people associated with the club who are capable of giving that advice. It becomes more imperative with every match.

 

Although many walked away from St Marys disappointed on Saturday, I am confident that they will all return for the remaining couple of matches and that the other fund raising initiatives will show any potential buyer how much passion there is in this city for our club.

[Frank's cousin]

Oh dear, hit a nerve have I ?

 

How come the things that concern you are "realistic concerns" and those that concern others are "being negative" ?

 

I stated all along this season that this is the way things would play out (though I expected it to go into next season and League 1 once the admin deadline in March was passed - not to happen LESS THAN A F**KING WEEK LATER - nice communication between board and Barclays, eh ?), for which we were told anything is better than admin and abused for holding that viewpoint.

 

The administrator said he is confident of selling the football club within a couple of weeks and that amongst the tyre kickers are some serious bids.

 

SO WHAT'S YOUR F**KING PROBLEM ? Is it simply that based on the situation as it stands now, its more likely that I am right than you are ? After all, it cant be that you want the club to fail without Lowe, can it, by your own words ?

 

(A piece of advice: if you dont like being accused of wanting the club to collapse, dont accuse others of it)

 

Very amusing - if it pleases you to be 'right' - fill your boots, dont think most fans on here give a flying feck about who is 'right' wrong' vindicated' which you seem so welded to - most of us just want a club at the end of the day, and even if you actually had a point, because you actually understood my position rather than inventing it, I would be happier having a bruised ego because I was 'wrong' than having no club at all.... from your ego fuelled postings on this matter, the same cant seem to be said for you....

[Frank's cousin]

This is total nonsense. The crowd of 28000 was immense and shows the potential that we have at this club. Anybody who is going to come in now and take us over, is likely to be either an existing fan, or will have done their research thoroughly and will therefore know that there was a large contingent of fans who were boycotting the games just because of Lowe. They will also see and hear that many fans have made financial contributions in our hour of need and that this financial help was not forthcoming while Lowe was here and our need was just as great.

 

So a few fans left early when we were 3 goals down to the bottom team. That is a message to the manager to get his act together and if he is not capable of putting forward a team and a strategy to win a match like that, then he should at least seek advice from the many people associated with the club who are capable of giving that advice. It becomes more imperative with every match.

 

Although many walked away from St Marys disappointed on Saturday, I am confident that they will all return for the remaining couple of matches and that the other fund raising initiatives will show any potential buyer how much passion there is in this city for our club.

 

Wes, it was a great showing but no doubt there was a feel good factor (which we have seen before) and £15 a seat (ironically announced before the admin saga - finally Rupes does something to increase attendences! ;-) (Thats just for Apline)) had something to do with it. It does show potential buyers the level of support we can muster under the right circumstances - but what can we realistically expect to be an average gate as a mid table league1 side? Thats what potential purchase might also be asking - and tBH they should because we need a buyer who is a REALIST, has a business plan and strategy that works within our realistic revenue streams, niot some fantasist guided more by populist dreams than sound business practice (unless they have bucketfuls of cash that is ;-))

 

I was in Block 5 Saturady and we saw 3 suits with clipboards 3 seast along from us...either a great way to blag a freebie, or were doing sonmething - personally if anything right now, our elague position and status will be a bigger factor in any negotiations, stay up aand we are a far better proposition.

[Saint Bones]

Well I hope there is a buyer - cos else we are in the shiit

[slickmick]

This is total nonsense. The crowd of 28000 was immense and shows the potential that we have at this club. Anybody who is going to come in now and take us over, is likely to be either an existing fan, or will have done their research thoroughly and will therefore know that there was a large contingent of fans who were boycotting the games just because of Lowe. They will also see and hear that many fans have made financial contributions in our hour of need and that this financial help was not forthcoming while Lowe was here and our need was just as great.

 

So a few fans left early when we were 3 goals down to the bottom team. That is a message to the manager to get his act together and if he is not capable of putting forward a team and a strategy to win a match like that, then he should at least seek advice from the many people associated with the club who are capable of giving that advice. It becomes more imperative with every match.

 

 

Although many walked away from St Marys disappointed on Saturday, I am confident that they will all return for the remaining couple of matches and that the other fund raising initiatives will show any potential buyer how much passion there is in this city for our club.

 

 

I struggle to agree with any of that.

27000 at £15 a ticket is not as good as I was expecting. We got 25000 against Forest and that was with Lowe in charge. So a staggering 2000 extra come back because Lowe has gone or was it because of the desperate call for fans to fill the stadium just so that we have a chance to see our club stay in existance until the end of the season.

We failed to even do that.

As for the fans deserting and leaving with 20 minutes to go, are not the kind of scenes I like to see, especially considering the circumstances.

We will get 20,000 at best for the nxt home game.

Edited 6 April, 2009 by slickmick

[Wade Garrett]

I think the administrator will have a tough job determining who to sell to. Salz/Davies, Souness, etc. I'm not sure what his remit is, although I suspect he is duty bound to get us much as he can for the club's creditors.

 

I hope he is more scrupulous than the weasel Askham was when he was in a similar predicament. At least old ladies with shares aren't going to have their door's knocked this time around.

[Frank's cousin]

I think the administrator will have a tough job determining who to sell to. Salz/Davies, Souness, etc. I'm not sure what his remit is, although I suspect he is duty bound to get us much as he can for the club's creditors.

 

I hope he is more scrupulous than the weasel Askham was when he was in a similar predicament. At least old ladies with shares aren't going to have their door's knocked this time around.

 

I think in our case the abst way for creditors to max out on what is owed is for the club to be able to continue and potentailly get promoted back to the CCC or prem, because our biggest creditor is AVIVA - the rumours i have heard tend to be focusing on buying the club only, and not necessarily SMSLtd - what AVIVAwiould take for the stadium is anyones guess, but surely it would amke better sense for them to strike a deal that gets them ALL thier money back? Why not extend the terms to 40 years so there is a managable repayment - with a reduction in terms if we are a prem club etc? common sense really.. SO my guess is the administrator will be looking not just as who offers the most for SFC ltd, because he is duty bound to AVIVA and BARCLAYS first and foremost and simply selling of SFC Ltd for 4 mil - the only real revenue generating complany within the holding group, would not do this.... I suspect teh winner will have to make provision for this debt in some way and it will be better for the club if they do so as we avoid any points penalty

 

NB. As I understand it, the points penalty will only come into force is as a result of administration its deamed the club has wiped out significant debt - if a buyer can come in buy the club, and negotiate new terms with AVIVA and Barclays without simply wiping that out, it would be the best deal all round...

[Wade Garrett]

I think in our case the abst way for creditors to max out on what is owed is for the club to be able to continue and potentailly get promoted back to the CCC or prem, because our biggest creditor is AVIVA - the rumours i have heard tend to be focusing on buying the club only, and not necessarily SMSLtd - what AVIVAwiould take for the stadium is anyones guess, but surely it would amke better sense for them to strike a deal that gets them ALL thier money back? Why not extend the terms to 40 years so there is a managable repayment - with a reduction in terms if we are a prem club etc? common sense really.. SO my guess is the administrator will be looking not just as who offers the most for SFC ltd, because he is duty bound to AVIVA and BARCLAYS first and foremost and simply selling of SFC Ltd for 4 mil - the only real revenue generating complany within the holding group, would not do this.... I suspect teh winner will have to make provision for this debt in some way and it will be better for the club if they do so as we avoid any points penalty

 

NB. As I understand it, the points penalty will only come into force is as a result of administration its deamed the club has wiped out significant debt - if a buyer can come in buy the club, and negotiate new terms with AVIVA and Barclays without simply wiping that out, it would be the best deal all round...

 

I agree with what you are saying. Barclays would hardly take this action if it meant their debt would simply be wiped out.

[OldNick]

I struggle to agree with any of that.

27000 at £15 a ticket is not as good as I was expecting. We got 25000 against Forest and that was with Lowe in charge. So a staggering 2000 extra come back because Lowe has gone or was it because of the desperate call for fans to fill the stadium just so that we have a chance to see our club stay in existance until the end of the season.

We failed to even do that.

As for the fans deserting and leaving with 20 minutes to go, are not the kind of scenes I like to see, especially considering the circumstances.

We will get 20,000 at best for the nxt home game.

Mick very good summary from my point of view.

[Wes Tender]

I struggle to agree with any of that.

27000 at £15 a ticket is not as good as I was expecting. We got 25000 against Forest and that was with Lowe in charge. So a staggering 2000 extra come back because Lowe has gone or was it because of the desperate call for fans to fill the stadium just so that we have a chance to see our club stay in existance until the end of the season.

We failed to even do that.

As for the fans deserting and leaving with 20 minutes to go, are not the kind of scenes I like to see, especially considering the circumstances.

We will get 20,000 at best for the nxt home game.

 

Did I miss something, or was the attendance at the Nottingham Forest game a prerequisite for those wishing to buy tickets for the ManUre game?

 

I am still confident that we will have attendances similat to that this last weekend, despite the next home game being on a Bank Holiday Monday. Let's see who's right.

[alpine_saint]

I think the administrator will have a tough job determining who to sell to. Salz/Davies, Souness, etc. I'm not sure what his remit is, although I suspect he is duty bound to get us much as he can for the club's creditors.

 

I hope he is more scrupulous than the weasel Askham was when he was in a similar predicament. At least old ladies with shares aren't going to have their door's knocked this time around.

 

He will be. He doesnt stand to line his own pockets from the decision.

 

And I reckon that one contender will emerge more attractive than the others.

[um pahars]

We got 25000 against Forest and that was with Lowe in charge.

 

You need to remember that the Forest game was linked to the Man Yoo cup game a couple of weeks later. Non season ticket holders had to buy a Forest one to guarantee a Man Yoo one.

 

It was about 10,000 up on recent games and probably 10,000 up on our average attendaces this season.

[slickmick]

Did I miss something, or was the attendance at the Nottingham Forest game a prerequisite for those wishing to buy tickets for the ManUre game?

 

I am still confident that we will have attendances similat to that this last weekend, despite the next home game being on a Bank Holiday Monday. Let's see who's right.[/quote]

 

So saving the club from extinction comes second to Man Utd game then ?

Says it all really.

[alpine_saint]

Very amusing - if it pleases you to be 'right' - fill your boots' date=' dont think most fans on here give a flying feck about who is 'right' wrong' vindicated' which you seem so welded to - most of us just want a club at the end of the day, and even if you actually had a point, because you actually understood my position rather than inventing it, I would be happier having a bruised ego because I was 'wrong' than having no club at all.... from your ego fuelled postings on this matter, the same cant seem to be said for you....[/quote']

 

Interesting - who is right and who is wrong only becomes unimportant if there is a risk of you being wrong.

 

I am every bit as interested in the club surviving as you are. I simply didnt give certain people crap for months beforehand for daring to propose an alternative approach to it, like you did. You didnt seem to think there was anything wrong with proclaiming yourself right and others wrong back then..

[um pahars]

Did I miss something, or was the attendance at the Nottingham Forest game a prerequisite for those wishing to buy tickets for the ManUre game?

 

I am still confident that we will have attendances similat to that this last weekend, despite the next home game being on a Bank Holiday Monday. Let's see who's right.[/quote]

 

So saving the club from extinction comes second to Man Utd game then ?

Says it all really.

 

Indeed it does, because IMHO the make up of the crowd's were so different.

 

The Man Yoo game were those more interested in seeing the stars of Man Yoo than Saints. Not that they were Man Yoo fans, more that they were fans of the stars/celebrities.

 

IMHO the make up of the crowd on Saturday were those who have grown disillusioned by Saints either due to performances or through being taken for a ride.

[Frank's cousin]

Interesting - who is right and who is wrong only becomes unimportant if there is a risk of you being wrong.

 

I am every bit as interested in the club surviving as you are. I simply didnt give certain people crap for months beforehand for daring to propose an alternative approach to it, like you did. You didnt seem to think there was anything wrong with proclaiming yourself right and others wrong back then..

 

This really is LOLable - as your recall of what i was saying is ...at best slightly wrong, at worst made up tio suit your purpose... It might have escaped your notice, but opinions on here for real fans were never about being right or wrong, but about different perspectives on what would be best for the club - most could see that. You dont have any right to say whether I was wrong or right as you continually failed to understand waht I was saying and merely invented it .... Oh and yes I do consider the following to be right, back then and now:

 

1. Th club needs to be run within its means - a prudent policy rather than fan friendly spend and risk

2. The future is in youth - spending on the academy is good, it provides players for the team and income when the are sold - the Ajax model is the ultimate of this and for a club of our size its a potentially decent option

3. Sports science - learn from other sports whenever possible and bring in experts when we can afford them - modern sport is about money, but if you have none seek other advantages no matter how small

4. No one has explained how Saha and Malbranque wages would have been accomodated within the wage policy that is alluded to and underpins poin no.1

5. SMS - a great move for the club after over 20 years of ****ing about - does not matter who/what/went on before, it finally happened allowing more fans to see games which is a good thing.

6. Total football - would have been nice - did not work with kids not developed or skilled enough - loved teh idea nd was supportive of it - it failed, end of?

7. Pearson - loved the bloke, would have loved him to stay, but jury was out as to whether heould turn out good or not, but probably less a risk than JP and Wotte - so not sure what Lowe was upto there - suspect a simple issue of gettig rid of a Crouch appointment

8. Crowch/Wilde - spent money we did not have = bad!

 

I stood by these yesterday and I stand by this today - thats my opinion. You chose to consider this wrong , thats your opinion, but how you turn this into support of an individual who with you seem to be obssessed is beyond me....

Edited 6 April, 2009 by Frank's cousin

[OldNick]

Did I miss something, or was the attendance at the Nottingham Forest game a prerequisite for those wishing to buy tickets for the ManUre game?

 

I am still confident that we will have attendances similat to that this last weekend, despite the next home game being on a Bank Holiday Monday. Let's see who's right.

That is a fair point, some , probably thousands went so they could watch the man u game. Still shows it was due to Lowe they weren't turning up.

The sobering thought is a large proportion of supporters will only go if we are doing well.

I myself have a lifetime subscription to be a fan who turns up and am stupid enough to have got the SFC in your blood tranfusion that is irreversable. Be it Saints v Man U or Saints v Unglamourous 11 i go to support Saints. I know Im a mug and get what i deserve but it is my choice.

It is not a case that I believe Im a better fan but perhaps more committed than some (should be commited I can hear some say).Not as commited as our wonderful travelling fans though.

[sotonjoe]

If only Rupert had been as well versed in Milton as you clearly are .

 

 

Well versed enough to call one of the most famous epic poems a 'book'.

[NickG]

Gents lets unite and stop bickering

 

Yours

 

Administrator-luvvie

[JustMike]

You know as well as me Um that any prospective buyer is not going to be influenced by a crowd of 28,000 yesterday and they will look at levels of support back to Lowe's last tenure and find that we are a fairly unreliable bunch when it comes to giving support when it's really needed to support change and a successful rebuild. Beyond a hard core of about 15,000 we are a reactionary mob who turn up only when they feel they may be missing out on something.

 

and also take into account how hated the man was / is. They will also compare gates with when he wasnt around the last time, averaged more than 15,000 then.

[Nineteen Canteen]

I think the administrator will have a tough job determining who to sell to. Salz/Davies, Souness, etc. I'm not sure what his remit is, although I suspect he is duty bound to get us much as he can for the club's creditors.

 

I hope he is more scrupulous than the weasel Askham was when he was in a similar predicament. At least old ladies with shares aren't going to have their door's knocked this time around.

 

Nothing suspect about it Wade, the administrator is there to act solely in the best interests of the creditors and will accept a bid that is only acceptable to the creditors. If no bid is acceptable the club will be sold off along with its assets to the highest bidder starting with the players. At the moment I don't see anyone coming up with enough cash to satisfy the creditors and will therefore have to convince them of some form of part repayment and convincing business plan. All I can say is they will have their work cut out as we will be in League 1 next season and no spare cash to finance the purchase or pay salaries to players capable of getting us back to the CCC. Do any of these new bidders have seriously deep pockets in the tens of millions? I also doubt anything with Crouch in tow is hardly going to be attractive to the creditors to those consortiums trying to formulate a rescue package that involves part repayment and future promises.

 

Like it or lump it Lowe in control of the club was always going to be better than have our fate placed in the hands of now fiercely over-regulated and risk averse creditor whose fingers having been severely burned on bad credit decisions. Any fan who thought otherwise was simply blind to their own hatred.

[slickmick]

 

Indeed it does, because IMHO the make up of the crowd's were so different.

 

The Man Yoo game were those more interested in seeing the stars of Man Yoo than Saints. Not that they were Man Yoo fans, more that they were fans of the stars/celebrities.

 

IMHO the make up of the crowd on Saturday were those who have grown disillusioned by Saints either due to performances or through being taken for a ride.

 

 

I really don't understand what your trying to say here.

I can't see how the very survival of our club is not more important than seing a few celebrities running around.

We had reduced ticket prices, Rupert Lowe has gone, it was a warm sunny day and the club were getting massive exposure in the media to come and help save our club.

Now if we can't sell out under those circumstances then it just goes to show how plastic many of our so called fans are.

[um pahars]

Like it or lump it Lowe in control of the club was always going to be better than have our fate placed in the hands of now fiercely over-regulated and risk averse creditor whose fingers having been severely burned on bad credit decisions.

 

We indeed have no choice on this matter, as Lowe failed and delivered us into the hands of this nasty man.