How much would you put in to own our club

[derry]

If one is struggling to make a reasonable stake is it possible to keep adding to the fund?

 

The idea was a minimum contribution of £100 the equivalent of one share. If we do have to collect and every penny counts that could change, but only my thoughts. If you mean "can I keep coming back with more contributions" I would think most certainly.

Edited 5 April, 2009 by derry

[spain saint]

I should also add that as well as the finacial donation I would return from Spain for a couple of months to get the catering back up to world class standards!

 

Oh and yes i am a chef!

 

Think of me as a bit like Gordon Ramsey in Kitchen Nightmares!!!

[Ewell]

Getting people to say they will put £500 - £5000 on a poll is very different to getting them to write the cheque for those monies. In the current economic climate money is tight for a lot of people and most people even those with lots of money are being very careful.

 

Personally I think it is a hollow gesture and a total non starter. There is also a fact that you have not put a £0 option on the poll as that would be my contribution. I love Saints and always have. I will contribute by buying tickets throwing a bit of loose change in a bucket or sending a personal donation via paypal. I just do not want fan ownership as I see it as a disaster and another road to infighting. Just look at this message board as an example full of infighting and lack of sense and agreement to disagree on there opinions.

 

For me we need to find an investor. The fan buy out is a waste of time and would never happen.

 

Will the Saints Forum consider putting any surplus donations (above and beyond there running costs) or any future donations into the save our saints appeal? I would be very willing to become a Full Member if they gave this guarentee and I am sure a few others would too.

[saints_is_the_south]

The current total stands at £831,250.00 (based on all those who voted more than £5k donating 10k).

[SaintDonkey]

 

The administrator wants us to be a fallback in the event of there being no suitable buyer. I have a lot of helpers but as yet not a lot we can do. It makes sense to combine with the Save our Saints provided they have a cast iron trust or means of absolutely protecting any money paid in with no access until used or returned.

 

Derry can I just be clear on this - and I guess this is a question that needs a wider remit than me clarifying this through a PM. Are you (or rather is Mark Fry) saying that we should ignore the current plea for funds and hang on to our money for the moment as we're existing as some kind of plan B?

 

I don't have much to offer in the grand scheme of things but collectively we have a voice provided we all speak at the same time. If you can tell me when that time is then PM me.

[ooohTerryHurlock]

I should also add that as well as the finacial donation I would return from Spain for a couple of months to get the catering back up to world class standards!

 

Oh and yes i am a chef!

 

Think of me as a bit like Gordon Ramsey in Kitchen Nightmares!!!

 

No one could be that much of a ****!!!!

[ooohTerryHurlock]

Derry

 

People pay £600 which gives them the right to buy a fixed rate season ticket for ten years - the season ticket would be £299 per season - regardless of division and would include all league cup and fa cup matches. The £600 would be in the way of membership fee - as when joining a golf club. We would need to sell 25,000 season Membership tickets at £600 each . This would raise £15 000 000 - this money is offered to Norwich Union for settlement of the outstanding loan on SMS - along with naming rights for ten years (£500 000 x 10 = £5 million) we could talk to Norwich Union about splitting the £600 payment in two instalments. We strike a deal with the council with regard to rates and negotiate a very low deal.

 

Then all season ticket monies £7475000 go towards the team funds - there will be no loan to pay on SMS as the fans will have bought SMS. The freehold for the stadium is then held in some charitable trust so no one has any claim on it. On top of the 7 475 000 you would have other stadium income, hospitality, food, gigs, league/cup prize money/tv money. kit and merchandise.

 

A CEO is apppointed to run the business on say £65,000 a year.

 

You also do the 320 fifty year season tickets at £12000 (with nice seats and a nice little lounge) at £12 000 a ticket £3 840 000 - this pays off Barclays.

 

This then clears £28 million of the debts - Staplewood is thrown into the deal by the administrator and Jacksons farm is sold to clear any outstanding creditors.

 

What do you think? This way the fans pay for the stadium and season ticket monies go to the club as normal. The fans have no say in the running of the club - and our main business is football. Club saved and away we go.... How about it!

[Whitey Grandad]

Derry

 

People pay £600 which gives them the right to buy a fixed rate season ticket for ten years - the season ticket would be £299 per season - regardless of division and would include all league cup and fa cup matches. The £600 would be in the way of membership fee - as when joining a golf club. We would need to sell 25,000 season Membership tickets at £600 each . This would raise £15 000 000 - this money is offered to Norwich Union for settlement of the outstanding loan on SMS - along with naming rights for ten years (£500 000 x 10 = £5 million) we could talk to Norwich Union about splitting the £600 payment in two instalments. We strike a deal with the council with regard to rates and negotiate a very low deal.

 

Then all season ticket monies £7475000 go towards the team funds - there will be no loan to pay on SMS as the fans will have bought SMS. The freehold for the stadium is then held in some charitable trust so no one has any claim on it. On top of the 7 475 000 you would have other stadium income, hospitality, food, gigs, league/cup prize money/tv money. kit and merchandise.

 

A CEO is apppointed to run the business on say £65,000 a year.

 

You also do the 320 fifty year season tickets at £12000 (with nice seats and a nice little lounge) at £12 000 a ticket £3 840 000 - this pays off Barclays.

 

This then clears £28 million of the debts - Staplewood is thrown into the deal by the administrator and Jacksons farm is sold to clear any outstanding creditors.

 

What do you think? This way the fans pay for the stadium and season ticket monies go to the club as normal. The fans have no say in the running of the club - and our main business is football. Club saved and away we go.... How about it!

Seems reasonable to me.

[tombletomble]

This sounds like a good idea to me too.

[SaintDave]

Derry

 

We strike a deal with the council with regard to rates and negotiate a very low deal.

 

 

Sadly the council have no say in Business Rates, they are set by National Government, only collected by the local council

[derry]

Derry

 

People pay £600 which gives them the right to buy a fixed rate season ticket for ten years - the season ticket would be £299 per season - regardless of division and would include all league cup and fa cup matches. The £600 would be in the way of membership fee - as when joining a golf club. We would need to sell 25,000 season Membership tickets at £600 each . This would raise £15 000 000 - this money is offered to Norwich Union for settlement of the outstanding loan on SMS - along with naming rights for ten years (£500 000 x 10 = £5 million) we could talk to Norwich Union about splitting the £600 payment in two instalments. We strike a deal with the council with regard to rates and negotiate a very low deal.

 

Then all season ticket monies £7475000 go towards the team funds - there will be no loan to pay on SMS as the fans will have bought SMS. The freehold for the stadium is then held in some charitable trust so no one has any claim on it. On top of the 7 475 000 you would have other stadium income, hospitality, food, gigs, league/cup prize money/tv money. kit and merchandise.

 

A CEO is apppointed to run the business on say £65,000 a year.

 

You also do the 320 fifty year season tickets at £12000 (with nice seats and a nice little lounge) at £12 000 a ticket £3 840 000 - this pays off Barclays.

 

This then clears £28 million of the debts - Staplewood is thrown into the deal by the administrator and Jacksons farm is sold to clear any outstanding creditors.

 

What do you think? This way the fans pay for the stadium and season ticket monies go to the club as normal. The fans have no say in the running of the club - and our main business is football. Club saved and away we go.... How about it!

 

 

It sounds like a decent place to start from. I'm not sure about 25000 though, if we are in the crap enough it might bring forward that number.

 

The 50 year idea would have to be transferable for obvious reasons. I'm going to a meeting at SMS at 1230 but don't really know what its about or who precisely is going to be there. If it's appropriate I'll float it if the right people are there.

[derry]

Derry can I just be clear on this - and I guess this is a question that needs a wider remit than me clarifying this through a PM. Are you (or rather is Mark Fry) saying that we should ignore the current plea for funds and hang on to our money for the moment as we're existing as some kind of plan B?

 

I don't have much to offer in the grand scheme of things but collectively we have a voice provided we all speak at the same time. If you can tell me when that time is then PM me.

 

What Mark Fry is saying in the event there is no suitable corporate/consortium buyer coming in with an acceptable bid, then this sort of idea might be all that is left to stop the club going to the wall.

 

The club's initiative is to bring in what money they can in the here and now to help them pay the immediate bills.

 

I do think they missed the boat a bit on Saturday, a bucket collection in each section would have in real terms raised a big sum, especially with the mood of the crowd. I think there might well have been a lot of fivers and tenners put in.

[Cumbria Saint]

Agreed. My daughter took £80 with her that various footballing fans (not all Saints by any means) had given her in support of the club on the assumption there was bound to be a bucket collection. But no, she had to take it to the ticket office at the end of the game. Definitely a trick missed I feel.

[ooohTerryHurlock]

It sounds like a decent place to start from. I'm not sure about 25000 though, if we are in the crap enough it might bring forward that number.

 

The 50 year idea would have to be transferable for obvious reasons. I'm going to a meeting at SMS at 1230 but don't really know what its about or who precisely is going to be there. If it's appropriate I'll float it if the right people are there.

 

I thought that 25000 might be a bit high but I think 20000@750 comes in somewhere near .. but hey you can tinkle with it whichever you want its just an idea. Suggested that the 50 years would be transferable but they would sell and would easily raise nearly £4million on there own.

[eelpie]

Agreed. My daughter took £80 with her that various footballing fans (not all Saints by any means) had given her in support of the club on the assumption there was bound to be a bucket collection. But no, she had to take it to the ticket office at the end of the game. Definitely a trick missed I feel.

 

Yes, I brought mine home, eventually. But will post it.

[qwertySFC]

Reading with interest some of the assumptions made about our fan base and attendace levels at SMS. Surely these assumptions are flawed. How many of the fan base are under 16 , hence have no or little income. Many couples attend SMS , are the assumptions that upto 10k is being donated from those couples. In order to raise capital you need to undertake some sense of research to make a clear calculated plan to any bank. Already since this thread started we have numerous ways put forward on how to run the club and that donated money will be used to pay the costs of the club, whatever the debt equates to , it is a drop in the ocean to a substainable plan for the next five years.

 

I admire those who feel the need to do something , however, in the past these fan ownership idears are so flawed with the basic running of the club that it becomes some form of "Whats in it for me" and although the intentions may be good , the potential for unrest remain when you have to many people saying how things should be run

 

It is a slipery slope to put yourself forward as I am sure others who have found to their own personal costs and Derry has already found its a tough act to pull off. But good luck to him

[graemeread1234]

I've followed saints for 15 years now, but i'm not going to give any money,

[derry]

I was invited to a meeting with the save our saints group at SMS, the meeting was interesting and I feel that we should join up with them to launch a wider appeal. I am to invite Duncan Holley and Ron, Weston Saint to future meetings.

 

They are on the point of setting up a launch and have a website that needs to be adapted. If there is anybody that can help please pm me.

 

The intention is to keep the pledges coming in on this site and try and adapt their website to take pledges from the wider publicity.

[Wes Tender]

I had suggested that the difference between the usual match fee and the reduced price for the Charlton match could be donated without causing much hardship to many. Accordingly, I found myself near the stadium prepared to stump up the £28 saving we had made, only to cough up £50 on an impulse. So because of events while I was away last week on Jersey, the club have an extra £80 in the coffers, as I would have boycotted that match had Lowe remained.

 

Incidentally, Dave Luker was sat there, head in hands looking as if he hoped the earth would open and swallow him up. Undoubtedly worrying times for staff of an organisation such as Saints, but I'm fairly confident that something will turn up.

[kelkel31]

Derry

 

People pay £600 which gives them the right to buy a fixed rate season ticket for ten years - the season ticket would be £299 per season - regardless of division and would include all league cup and fa cup matches. The £600 would be in the way of membership fee - as when joining a golf club. We would need to sell 25,000 season Membership tickets at £600 each . This would raise £15 000 000 - this money is offered to Norwich Union for settlement of the outstanding loan on SMS - along with naming rights for ten years (£500 000 x 10 = £5 million) we could talk to Norwich Union about splitting the £600 payment in two instalments. We strike a deal with the council with regard to rates and negotiate a very low deal.

 

Then all season ticket monies £7475000 go towards the team funds - there will be no loan to pay on SMS as the fans will have bought SMS. The freehold for the stadium is then held in some charitable trust so no one has any claim on it. On top of the 7 475 000 you would have other stadium income, hospitality, food, gigs, league/cup prize money/tv money. kit and merchandise.

 

A CEO is apppointed to run the business on say £65,000 a year.

 

You also do the 320 fifty year season tickets at £12000 (with nice seats and a nice little lounge) at £12 000 a ticket £3 840 000 - this pays off Barclays.

 

This then clears £28 million of the debts - Staplewood is thrown into the deal by the administrator and Jacksons farm is sold to clear any outstanding creditors.

 

What do you think? This way the fans pay for the stadium and season ticket monies go to the club as normal. The fans have no say in the running of the club - and our main business is football. Club saved and away we go.... How about it!

 

very good in principle but i doubt that any cup matches could be included as i beleive the income is split differentely to normal league games( i think its something like 40% for each of the teams and 20% to the fa wether you are home or away) and i think it would be foolish to remove a large amount of potential income from the club by removing cup games income!

[Kenilworthy]

If the worst came to the worst and it became impossible to rescue the existing club as a League One side so that we had to start again from zero, realistically what league would the new club have to start in?

[1976_Child]

... a few blades of grass.

 

I'm stone broke. So the boys will have to make do with my full-vocal support each and every game from now until we have won the Champions League UEFA cup, Premiership, Carling Cup and Football Association Cup.

[hamster]

Would be a great gesture if a couple of the players joined the fight proper and came out publicly stating that they will play this weekends games without pay, it would greatly increase their chances of getting paid the followng week, and the one after that, and the one after that. And i don't jsut mean deferring them, I mean playing for the fans for free. What a great way for the players to show that we are all in this fight together. How about it lads?

[derry]

I've put out another thread but we desparately need a computer expert to alter the save our saints website to take pledges. Can anyone help?

[um pahars]

Derry,

 

Can you clear up what this initiative is supposed to be doing?

 

Is it tying in with the "we must raise £500k PDQ" just to see the season out?

 

Is it a fund to keep us ticking over throughout the summer until a buyer or an alternative can be found?

 

Is it setting up a fund to potentially "buy" the Club if no one else comes forward?

 

How does it tie in with anyone elses initiatives (Crouch, other fans groups, other consortiums)?

 

 

Not knocking this at all, I just think there is a lot of confusion at the moment (at least I had idea about the £500k until Crouch mentioned it last night) and you seem to be somewhere near the sharp end.

 

CHEERS

[John D]

Derry,

 

Can you clear up what this initiative is supposed to be doing?

 

Is it tying in with the "we must raise £500k PDQ" just to see the season out?

 

Is it a fund to keep us ticking over throughout the summer until a buyer or an alternative can be found?

 

Is it setting up a fund to potentially "buy" the Club if no one else comes forward?

 

How does it tie in with anyone elses initiatives (Crouch, other fans groups, other consortiums)?

 

 

Not knocking this at all, I just think there is a lot of confusion at the moment (at least I had idea about the £500k until Crouch mentioned it last night) and you seem to be somewhere near the sharp end.

 

CHEERS

 

I second the request from UP. Was away all weekend with no internet or phone access so not up to speed with latest. Have no problem with donating but if i am to give a significant sum (from personal perspective) I want to know more about what it is for. Again not knocking your efforts at all I

[patred44]

Might sound crazy but there are fans who just cannot turn up, yet want the Saints to prevail.

Some could easily afford the ticket, yet that is not the reason they dont turn up

Some cant abide seeing the crap on offer (not my words) but yet they want to see the Saints survive.

FOR THOSE PEOPLE..

donate the price of the ticket to a fund that will help the club...a non attendance fund so to speak...

 

told you it would sound crazy..but even a few hundred could be the difference

[Rory]

My CD collection.

 

Priceless, IMO. We could be the richest club in the land.

[derry]

Derry,

 

Can you clear up what this initiative is supposed to be doing?

 

Is it tying in with the "we must raise £500k PDQ" just to see the season out?

 

Is it a fund to keep us ticking over throughout the summer until a buyer or an alternative can be found?

 

Is it setting up a fund to potentially "buy" the Club if no one else comes forward?

 

How does it tie in with anyone elses initiatives (Crouch, other fans groups, other consortiums)?

 

 

Not knocking this at all, I just think there is a lot of confusion at the moment (at least I had idea about the £500k until Crouch mentioned it last night) and you seem to be somewhere near the sharp end.

 

CHEERS

 

Hi Steve, There is no intention at the moment to do anything other than in the event of no acceptable bid for SLH/club/SMS/Staplewood/JF mount a rescue.

 

If there was a preferred bidder that wasn't in a position to close the deal, then if it was feasible, we could possibly ask for subscriptions to close the deal in return for a share of the club.

 

In the event the club was going into liquidation imminently then we would probably again specify the conditions and try and quickly mount an immediate rescue and a follow up purchase plan.

 

I think the bids and this is purely an opinion could well take different forms.

 

Preferably a bidder buys the lot and invests, if that doesn't happen, SMS could go to one bidder to be leased back to the club whilst the club is bought by a different bidder who satisfies the debt. Then there is the question of Staplewood and Jackson's farm.

 

Interestingly Leon Crouch was at SMS yesterday afternoon with Royston Smith the leader of Southampton Council who haven't ruled out buying the site.

 

Just a few thoughts on the subject, we are in the process of getting organised, use of an appropriate powerful website, a media launch, a secure impenetrable bank account, continuing at the moment with pledges, and of course we know that not all the pledges would be honoured, but that's the real world.

 

We are just doing our best in the limited time available to be ready if needed. We are almost in a positon to draw in and co-ordinate other initiatives if they want to join with us, subject to the necessary co-operation. We are not really trying to compete and will do our best to save the club if we are needed.

 

I think Crouch has his own agenda and is independently pursuing that. I get the feeling he is being all things to all men in pursuit of his own interests, not necessarily the supporters interests.

Edited 7 April, 2009 by derry

[Tomobz]

I just want to say derry that you're doing a great job.

 

I feel this is the best option for us anyway without an investor and wouldn't see you having any problem raising the money for this fans consortium.

 

Good luck with this and keep up the good work.

[derry]

Thanks for the good wishes and the wise words, but let me say now I'm not in this for the long haul. This is for the here and now, I opened my big mouth and somebody has to pick up the baton, for the moment.

 

Anything that stops me playing golf 364 days of the year, get's my ear bent by her indoors and impinges on me being an idle book reading, tv watcher, lying back in my electric recliner will get kicked into touch in short order.

 

I actually think that everybody in the ground except paid employees should pay for seats, hospitality and parking like everbody else. That would be a culture shock for the free loading directors box. Especially at this time premium prices should be the norm not complimentary perks.

 

With views like that I wouldn't be around long in any event. Luckily I'm comfortably off and can walk away. It's just that when I was a kid 54 years ago I used to sell penny on the ball tickets and get in free to see 80 mins of my heroes at the Dell.

 

It's hard to stand by and see the club die because of the incompetent, egotistical, money grabbing, greedy, self interested, p ricks who have ruined this club. And if you happen to be reading this, yes it does mean you.

[Mouldy Coat]

would it not be possible to continue with the save our saints campaign. Everyone pledge money into an account and an agreement is struck that if we don't hit a certain level of funds, the funds are returned and the bank keeps a retainer i.e. 5% for admin....i know sod all but just a high level thought. This would encourage people to put their money where their mouth is. Online transfers etc

[um pahars]

Hi Steve, There is no intention at the moment to do anything other than in the event of no acceptable bid for SLH/club/SMS/Staplewood/JF mount a rescue.

 

If there was a preferred bidder that wasn't in a position to close the deal, then if it was feasible, we could possibly ask for subscriptions to close the deal in return for a share of the club.

 

In the event the club was going into liquidation imminently then we would probably again specify the conditions and try and quickly mount an immediate rescue and a follow up purchase plan.

 

I think the bids and this is purely an opinion could well take different forms.

 

Preferably a bidder buys the lot and invests, if that doesn't happen, SMS could go to one bidder to be leased back to the club whilst the club is bought by a different bidder who satisfies the debt. Then there is the question of Staplewood and Jackson's farm.

 

Interestingly Leon Crouch was at SMS yesterday afternoon with Royston Smith the leader of Southampton Council who haven't ruled out buying the site.

 

Just a few thoughts on the subject, we are in the process of getting organised, use of an appropriate powerful website, a media launch, a secure impenetrable bank account, continuing at the moment with pledges, and of course we know that not all the pledges would be honoured, but that's the real world.

 

We are just doing our best in the limited time available to be ready if needed. We are almost in a positon to draw in and co-ordinate other initiatives if they want to join with us, subject to the necessary co-operation. We are not really trying to compete and will do our best to save the club if we are needed.

 

I think Crouch has his own agenda and is independently pursuing that. I get the feeling he is being all things to all men in pursuit of his own interests, not necessarily the supporters interests.

 

Thanks for that Derry.

 

So to paraprhase you're not collecting any money just yet, just getting ready to press the emergency button and potentially be an alternative if nothing else comes off????

 

I therefore think that Crouch and/or the Administrator need to come forward and explain just what this £500,000 is all, about as I'm alightly confused about what this part is all about (although we at least know that your initiative isn't involved in this other initiative).

[TheSaintPhil]

if its run well im more then happy to stick £500 in!

[derry]

would it not be possible to continue with the save our saints campaign. Everyone pledge money into an account and an agreement is struck that if we don't hit a certain level of funds, the funds are returned and the bank keeps a retainer i.e. 5% for admin....i know sod all but just a high level thought. This would encourage people to put their money where their mouth is. Online transfers etc

 

It is one of the possibilities, however returning money would be a logistical nightmare, and would have to be carried out by the bank for security and logistical reasons.

[derry]

Thanks for that Derry.

 

So to paraprhase you're not collecting any money just yet, just getting ready to press the emergency button and potentially be an alternative if nothing else comes off????

 

I therefore think that Crouch and/or the Administrator need to come forward and explain just what this £500,000 is all, about as I'm alightly confused about what this part is all about (although we at least know that your initiative isn't involved in this other initiative).

 

Steve, we are not involved with other initiatives full stop. That doesn't rule out combining with a similar initiative if it fulfills the aims and integrity of this one.

 

Reading between the lines this £250K I would assume is for the present, to keep the football club from administration and buy it a bit more time while this mess unravels.

 

Your summing up is correct, however we are hoping to launch, continuing with the pledges principle, in the Echo on Friday.

 

Steve Grant is assisting getting the website ready to receive pledges after monday.

 

As to security of potential money collected, I am absolutely paranoid about that, as are the others involved. The proposal at the moment from me, is there would have to be four agreements to reach the money. I am exploring the bank's requirements.

 

One would probably be me, another from SOS and two high profile independent Saints or suchlike figures like say Matt Le Tissier and/or Mick Channon who would in no circumstances be involved in any skullduggerry.

 

Unless all four, positively identified, and physically present in the bank give their assent, no money could be moved from the account. Probably what would happen would be a small administrative account with say £1000 and a chequebook requiring two signatures topped up if necessary by the bank on the production of the necessary evidence that the money had been spent legitimately.

 

I hope this clarifies where I am coming from.

Best wishes,

Dave.

[MarkSFC]

Well done to all 475 of you who have pledged on this thread.

 

On behalf of Save Our Saints could I please ask everyone who has already pledged on this thread, to visit our page on Saints Web and pledge again. Two reasons for this;

1. There are more options so a bit more accurate.

2. We really need to excellrate the TOTAL showing so that we have as good a view of the potential as possible, and it will have a snowball effect.

 

We need to ready should there be no other option. Also spread the word, maybe email everyone in your contacts this link

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/saveoursaints/

 

Steves put a lot of work into this and we need to make it work for us!!!

 

Keep the faith and thanks for your positive support!!

 

Mark

[Window Cleaner]

Well done to all 475 of you who have pledged on this thread.

 

On behalf of Save Our Saints could I please ask everyone who has already pledged on this thread, to visit our page on Saints Web and pledge again. Two reasons for this;

1. There are more options so a bit more accurate.

2. We really need to excellrate the TOTAL showing so that we have as good a view of the potential as possible, and it will have a snowball effect.

 

We need to ready should there be no other option. Also spread the word, maybe email everyone in your contacts this link

 

 

to.]http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/saveoursaints/[/url]

 

Steves put a lot of work into this and we need to make it work for us!!!

 

Keep the faith and thanks for your positive support!!

 

Mark

 

Yes go on everybody, let's see the 2 counters in accordance instead of

an anonymous poll on this site showing 475 donors at nigh on a million and

the real mccoy with names and pack drill showing 17 contributors and £28K or so, prove us doubting thomases wrong, you know you want to.

[derry]

Well done to all 475 of you who have pledged on this thread.

 

On behalf of Save Our Saints could I please ask everyone who has already pledged on this thread, to visit our page on Saints Web and pledge again. Two reasons for this;

1. There are more options so a bit more accurate.

2. We really need to excellrate the TOTAL showing so that we have as good a view of the potential as possible, and it will have a snowball effect.

 

We need to ready should there be no other option. Also spread the word, maybe email everyone in your contacts this link

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/saveoursaints/

 

Steves put a lot of work into this and we need to make it work for us!!!

 

Keep the faith and thanks for your positive support!!

 

Mark

 

Mark, this is a mistake. Leave the initial pledges as they are, If it becomes necessary we will request the pledgees on here to donate to the secure bank account.

 

If any from here start pledging on the other site, we won't have a clue where we are. The other site is an indication of public fan support. Doing what you are proposing will leave us not knowing whether all we have is the support of our membership and little public support. The total is the two sites. This one is still receiving pledges.

 

Before you come on here with initiatives moving the goalposts, talk to me first. I will manage the communications on the site with Ron, Duncan and Steve. If there is not public support clearly it won't work and we need to know that.

[MarkSFC]

Mark, this is a mistake. Leave the initial pledges as they are, If it becomes necessary we will request the pledgees on here to donate to the secure bank account.

 

If any from here start pledging on the other site, we won't have a clue where we are. The other site is an indication of public fan support. Doing what you are proposing will leave us not knowing whether all we have is the support of our membership and little public support. The total is the two sites. This one is still receiving pledges.

 

Before you come on here with initiatives moving the goalposts, talk to me first. I will manage the communications on the site with Ron, Duncan and Steve. If there is not public support clearly it won't work and we need to know that.

 

 

ok:cool:

[derry]

ok:cool:

 

Thanks Mark;)

[Mole]

Where's the "nothing" option?

 

I put £10 into the Saints Trust once before and i'd never make that mistake again.

[Weston Saint]

Where's the "nothing" option?

 

I put £10 into the Saints Trust once before and i'd never make that mistake again.

There is no "nothing" option. We are only interested in information from those who wish to pledge support of last resort, not those who will pledge nothing.

[Mole]

There is no "nothing" option. We are only interested in information from those who wish to pledge support of last resort, not those who will pledge nothing.

 

Fair enough Ron.

 

Let's just hope it's not needed as a worst case back-up as the cumulative total of pledges will not be enough IMO.

 

As a publicity stunt though i suppose it does have some merits...

[Charlie Wayman]

I just don't have anything to give like most seniors; an option for £0 is not selectable

[Charlie Wayman]

Derry

 

People pay £600 which gives them the right to buy a fixed rate season ticket for ten years - the season ticket would be £299 per season - regardless of division and would include all league cup and fa cup matches. The £600 would be in the way of membership fee - as when joining a golf club. We would need to sell 25,000 season Membership tickets at £600 each . This would raise £15 000 000 - this money is offered to Norwich Union for settlement of the outstanding loan on SMS - along with naming rights for ten years (£500 000 x 10 = £5 million) we could talk to Norwich Union about splitting the £600 payment in two instalments. We strike a deal with the council with regard to rates and negotiate a very low deal.

 

Then all season ticket monies £7475000 go towards the team funds - there will be no loan to pay on SMS as the fans will have bought SMS. The freehold for the stadium is then held in some charitable trust so no one has any claim on it. On top of the 7 475 000 you would have other stadium income, hospitality, food, gigs, league/cup prize money/tv money. kit and merchandise.

 

A CEO is apppointed to run the business on say £65,000 a year.

 

You also do the 320 fifty year season tickets at £12000 (with nice seats and a nice little lounge) at £12 000 a ticket £3 840 000 - this pays off Barclays.

 

This then clears £28 million of the debts - Staplewood is thrown into the deal by the administrator and Jacksons farm is sold to clear any outstanding creditors.

 

What do you think? This way the fans pay for the stadium and season ticket monies go to the club as normal. The fans have no say in the running of the club - and our main business is football. Club saved and away we go.... How about it!

 

The major flaw in your argument is the Math. In any projection like yours the first rule is BE REALISTIC! There is just too much pink-haze wishful thinking in your idea to be taken seriously.

 

There are only 10 or 11K ST holders and they are the most likely people to join a membership scheme. I'd suggest 40% of them MIGHT i.e. 4250 tops. Of the walk-ups and other casuals, say a maximum of 12k, it is hard enough to persuade them to become ST's so NO chnace at all many would spend the sort of money that would by a good ST twice over on a membership scheme that gives them nothing.

 

The only workable solution is to keep plugging away at ST sales to get attendances up to 25K regularly not just as a flash in the pan once a flood when the papers are full of Saints 'desperate predicament'.

[derry]

The major flaw in your argument is the Math. In any projection like yours the first rule is BE REALISTIC! There is just too much pink-haze wishful thinking in your idea to be taken seriously.

 

There are only 10 or 11K ST holders and they are the most likely people to join a membership scheme. I'd suggest 40% of them MIGHT i.e. 4250 tops. Of the walk-ups and other casuals, say a maximum of 12k, it is hard enough to persuade them to become ST's so NO chnace at all many would spend the sort of money that would by a good ST twice over on a membership scheme that gives them nothing.

 

The only workable solution is to keep plugging away at ST sales to get attendances up to 25K regularly not just as a flash in the pan once a flood when the papers are full of Saints 'desperate predicament'.

 

We are trying to set up a fallback emergency position with the necessary mechanisms in place should the administrator indicate that he can't find an acceptable buyer we would initially try and buy time, then either appeal for funds to try and save the club or assist a worthwhile bid that had otherwise failed to purchase the club.

 

I have just found out today that Exeter City is owned by the fans, they are doing pretty well by all acounts. I have been given the mobile number of the vice chairman who has indicated he is happy to help in any way he can if we have to go down that road.

[Dr Who?]

So time to put your money where your mouth is. I have given what I click on here have you put this on the pledge page of this site.

[derry]

So time to put your money where your mouth is. I have given what I click on here have you put this on the pledge page of this site.

 

If you have clicked on a sum on here then it is registered on this thread.

[Window Cleaner]

If you have clicked on a sum on here then it is registered on this thread.

 

with some sort of trail back to the person doing the clicking ?

 

Can you identify the people who have "pledged" more than 5K?

Kids click on anything you know.