um pahars Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 If it was two or three I would agree but it is dozens In which case you fall into the same lazy trap as the Professor as the overwhleming majority of those who oppose Lowe do so from a sensible, rational and well argued position. To suggest otherwise is rather insulting to the vast majority of rational supporters who hold this view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 If Lowe's original plan to put Hoddle in as mamager in 2004 had been allowed to happen we would still be a premier team ! Why haven't you mentioned this sooner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 People like you do but many others do not so it is easy then to suggest that Anti Lowe people are ranters. I'm an anti Lowe ranter, and lets face it we've had plenty to rant about; and maybe, if those who propped up Lowe had listened SLH would not be about to go into admin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 After the total shambles created by Lowe and Wilde,the question should be why are there are a few on here who defend him,rather than why do so many hate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 April, 2009 just hope this is the new beginning rather than beginning of the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Why haven't you mentioned this sooner? Most people know that this is the root of our decline, but some people would prefer to forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Most people know that this is the root of our decline, but some people would prefer to forget. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 there is little doubt that the current situation stems from the two years that Lowe was not on the board. I would say there's loads of doubt with that statement:rolleyes: Whilst there have definitely been mistakes made during the two years Lowe wasn't around (e.g. Thomas and Euell in 2007 etc etc etc), they pale into comparison with the mistakes made, and the cost of them, whilst Lowe was in control at the end of his last sojourn and in this latest ill fated escapade. The tens of millions lost following relegation crippled this Club to a much greater degree than any of Hone's & Wilde's & Crouch's mistakes in those 2 years. And then of course there is this season, whereby any possibility of slowing trading oursleves out of the mire was seriously compromised (if not undermined) by the decision to go with a Revolutionary Coaching Set Up. Whilst many should take their fair share of blame for the demise of this Club over the last 4 or 5 years, there can also be no doubt that Lowe stands head and shoulders above all others at the front of the queue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 If Lowe's original plan to put Hoddle in as mamager in 2004 had been allowed to happen we would still be a premier team ! Actually, we would have been relegated in 2007 if Hoddle was appointed. I know that for a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Lowe and Wilde.......Never on the field of football have so many been let down so badly by so few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Personally, I have never understood the hatred for Lowe, particularly because so much of it based on mob anger and scapegoating, but neither have I understood why Lowe has stayed involved when he has been subject to so much vitriol. The Lowe haters must now worry in case the Bates/Leeds plan is in place, whereby Ken Bates recovered control of Leeds after administration by heading the highest bid. I cannpot see why Lowe should do that, but then I don't know why he came back last year, so anything is possible. Of course, the flaw in the Bates/Leeds plan is that they are still in Div One! I would check the piece in bold! Bates had the major creditor in his pocket, there were other bids that were higher. I thing the hatred for Lowe is balance with the love that some have shown him on here, however, there are those and I would hope the majority that realise Lowe wasn't a great chairman, certainly not worthy of one of the top salaries in the EPL. He lost the sole objective of keeping the Saints in the EPL (needed to pay for the stadium) by being side tracked on other schemes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 I would agree that bringing on the youngsters in itself wasn't a bad policy, but relying on them almost totally and then coupling them with a manager inexperienced in english football was the mistake. At the start of the season I agree there was chaos because it was thought that some of the high wage earners were being sold to reduce the debt so Thomas Rasiak Euell Saga John Skacel were unavailable plus Svennson was injured so lots of youngsters were thrown into a crap formation. If Euell Saga and Skacel played from the start in a 4 4 2 formation and Svennson was not injured perhaps things would have been better. Other clubs have succeeded with foreign coaches but I do agree coaches with more impressive CVs like Wotte I suppose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 (edited) Actually, we would have been relegated in 2007 if Hoddle was appointed. I know that for a fact. No earlier than that our defence without Svennson was past it when we were in the Premiership which contributed to our relegation The attack was OK with Crouch and Philliphs - Crouch has just scored at Wembley Edited 1 April, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Actually, we would have been relegated in 2007 if Hoddle was appointed. I know that for a fact. Say what you like but it was the appointment of Sturrock and then Wigley that saw our deep decline. Had we appointed an experienced manager like Hoddle the chances of that decline damaging us would have been far less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 A part of me blames MLT. If he'd had the work ethic to get over his injury he could easily have been playing still in 2005 and none of this would have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rover Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 And personally I have never understood why people fail to comprehend that the vast majority of those who oppose Lowe do it from a rational, objective point of view after judging him by the results of his tenures and articulating their opposition in a fair and reasonable manner. Talking of which, does anyone know why "Stanley" aka SF76 has been banned? His long held view that the club could only rebuild after Administration and hopefully the exit of Lowe and Wilde seems pretty accurate to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Talking of which, does anyone know why "Stanley" aka SF76 has been banned? His long held view that the club could only rebuild after Administration and hopefully the exit of Lowe and Wilde seems pretty accurate to me. A quick check shows he's fallen foul of the infraction totting up process. A couple of points for a discriminatory remark on The Lounge have tipped him over the edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 What happens if Lowe resigns as Chairman then heads up a consortium to buy the club himself? I'm not sure there's enough server power on the planet to cope with the meltdown on here. I dunno if anyone else has replied to this but this worrys me too. how come Lowe is the only one stepping down? Sure he is the one we all like to hate but he is not the only culperate in all this? If an administrator is in then surly they all get the boot. Lowe stepping down before sounds like the fecker has got something up his sleave and we wont see the back of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Say what you like but it was the appointment of Sturrock and then Wigley that saw our deep decline. Had we appointed an experienced manager like Hoddle the chances of that decline damaging us would have been far less. They may have been "far less" but Hoddle is not the manager or saviour that you continually seem to think that he is. His managerial record at all of his other clubs leaves a lot to be desired. All that GH was/is is a capable, but no more than average manager. There are so many things that led to our relegation. The non-appointment of GH is just a small piece of the jig-saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rover Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 A quick check shows he's fallen foul of the infraction totting up process. A couple of points for a discriminatory remark on The Lounge have tipped him over the edge. Thanks for that Ponty - a lot of his views are the complete opposite of mine but his post are interesting and I would think widely appreciated. It seems a pity to ban him at the current time. Can the forum be flexible enough to rescind it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Personally, I have never understood the hatred for Lowe, particularly because so much of it based on mob anger and scapegoating, but neither have I understood why Lowe has stayed involved when he has been subject to so much vitriol. The Lowe haters must now worry in case the Bates/Leeds plan is in place, whereby Ken Bates recovered control of Leeds after administration by heading the highest bid. I cannpot see why Lowe should do that, but then I don't know why he came back last year, so anything is possible. Of course, the flaw in the Bates/Leeds plan is that they are still in Div One! are you for real?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 I don't know for sure but I don't think we have seen the last of LC is as far as I will go! He is not the sort of man to go quietly. Is that a good thing? Perhaps but total unity will only come with a complete sweep. Leon did little wrong compared to MW and RL but there were elements of his tenure that didn't sit comfortably with me. It looks like we are only just getting rid of the last muppet that doesnt like to go quietly. Do we really want another? Agree with the rest though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Thanks for that Ponty - a lot of his views are the complete opposite of mine but his post are interesting and I would think widely appreciated. It seems a pity to ban him at the current time. Can the forum be flexible enough to rescind it? Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Say what you like but it was the appointment of Sturrock and then Wigley that saw our deep decline. I could almost agree with you, in that had we not appointed Wigley (and perhaps not even got rid of Sturrock), then things might have been different. No guarantees and also no reason why the alternative had to be Hoddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Thanks for that Ponty - a lot of his views are the complete opposite of mine but his post are interesting and I would think widely appreciated. It seems a pity to ban him at the current time. Can the forum be flexible enough to rescind it? Ive only ever known him as Stanley and still dont think he is anything more than a skate on a wind up so suprised he hasnt been banned more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 why haven't you mentioned this sooner? lol:d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Thanks for that Ponty - a lot of his views are the complete opposite of mine but his post are interesting and I would think widely appreciated. It seems a pity to ban him at the current time. Can the forum be flexible enough to rescind it? Well, I can't speak for all the admin but that wouldn't really be right considering it was for totting-up elsewhere on the board and not for his opinion on SFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Why haven't you mentioned this sooner? Classic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rover Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Well, I can't speak for all the admin but that wouldn't really be right considering it was for totting-up elsewhere on the board and not for his opinion on SFC. Well he was a long term opponent on Forever Saints where he is / was Admin. Not only did he ban me but he rewrote my posts to make it look like I agreed with him! So on second thoughts perhaps you could adapt his posts and ban him for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 If Lowe's original plan to put Hoddle in as mamager in 2004 had been allowed to happen we would still be a premier team ! I agree.but his subsequent sulkand appointment of wigley cost us our place in the top flight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Lowe might be resigning from the Leisure Holdings Board but he's still a executive director on the Football Board. All is not over and Robert the Bruce retreated 3 times before returning and winning outright. Lowe would not give up that easily and if you ask me, Crouch, Wilde and Lowe have never stopped working together since the financial dilemma appeared on the scene, despite all the public rantings and playacting to fool the punters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Does anyone know why we are going into admin now and not last week before the deadline? It makes no sense to do it now when we could have taken the hit and given ourselves a chance next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Definately an announcement at 10am. No excuse now - should be a full house on Saturday! Duncan, I agree. My guess is that the ownership of the stadium and the ownership of the club will now separate. Regards Morph PS: I've e-mailed you an update . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoswellSaint Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Duncan, I agree. My guess is that the ownership of the stadium and the ownership of the club will now separate. Regards Morph PS: I've e-mailed you an update . You tease us again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pheonix Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 I still think the idea of bringing through Academy products is a good idea but the formation employed was wrong especially at home The lone striker idea was pants and I could see that as early as the Celtic Match where we never got anywhere near their goal NP had planned to use the Academy more this year but last year he priority was to stay up and then build on it this season! but as you know he was never given the chance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Talking of which, does anyone know why "Stanley" aka SF76 has been banned? His long held view that the club could only rebuild after Administration and hopefully the exit of Lowe and Wilde seems pretty accurate to me. Strangely that whilst he may not have communicated his thoughts in the most constructive manner much of what he said has turned out to be true much too the disgust of those who opposed his opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 You tease us again! Roswell, I don't know anything like the full picture. I only know a very small part of the picture at any time. That is why I do not wish to impart much information on this board and be ridiculed when it does not become fact because of an issue I knew nothing about. I would much rather impart my information to someone like Duncan who is more in tune with the overall picture. Hope that clarifies things Regards Morph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycrow Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Yes I think I have similar thoughts about LC. However he did bring in Wilde who has been a bigger disaster than Lowe and lost lots of money A new owner would be preferable with no baggage I notice that some want Crouch others not so a new man or woman is required Whoa Whoa Whoa, Sweet Child of Mine... I know things are crazy today, but its no reason for US to go crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Roswell, I don't know anything like the full picture. I only know a very small part of the picture at any time. That is why I do not wish to impart much information on this board and be ridiculed when it does not become fact because of an issue I knew nothing about. I would much rather impart my information to someone like Duncan who is more in tune with the overall picture. Hope that clarifies things Regards Morph based on the little part you know, is there anything positive to look forward to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Lowe might be resigning from the Leisure Holdings Board but he's still a executive director on the Football Board. All is not over and Robert the Bruce retreated 3 times before returning and winning outright. Lowe would not give up that easily and if you ask me, Crouch, Wilde and Lowe have never stopped working together since the financial dilemma appeared on the scene, despite all the public rantings and playacting to fool the punters. Ah Art - nice to see you post again. Even though it's a post that sets out what could well be a horribly prophetic comment. I was suggesting some months ago that the PLC could go into admin and the club could be saved, although I really did not think that Lowe would stay on. Now I am of a mind that Lowe and Wilde will take SMS Ltd on and perhaps a new group possibly involving Leon will buy the club. Property for the property men and football club for the passionate Saints man. Seems entirely plausible to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 What I don't understand is why is crouch even being talked about! If we go into admin, he has no shares and no role does he???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwaySaint1 Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 What happens if Lowe resigns as Chairman then heads up a consortium to buy the club himself? I'm not sure there's enough server power on the planet to cope with the meltdown on here. Dont be silly,this forum has under 9000 members. We are not in the premiership now. 15000 fans no longer support Saints and have better things to do that meltdown cyberspace. Do you think that the administrators would choose lowe as part of a group ? Between me and you they have to choose who they think is in the best interests of the creditors and the business so Lowe will be last on their list. HTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 What I don't understand is why is crouch even being talked about! If we go into admin, he has no shares and no role does he???? Not unless a 'deal' was done prior to todays announcement (remembering that we have NOT YET entered administration). :smt017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Why haven't you mentioned this sooner? That's the first time I've laughed in two weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so22saint Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 If Lowe's original plan to put Hoddle in as mamager in 2004 had been allowed to happen we would still be a premier team ! heh, are you an AI? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefuriousb Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Roswell, I don't know anything like the full picture. I only know a very small part of the picture at any time. That is why I do not wish to impart much information on this board and be ridiculed when it does not become fact because of an issue I knew nothing about. I would much rather impart my information to someone like Duncan who is more in tune with the overall picture. Hope that clarifies things Regards Morph You could have simply sent FF a PM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 based on the little part you know, is there anything positive to look forward to? 25.12.2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycrow Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 And personally I have never understood why people fail to comprehend that the vast majority of those who oppose Lowe do it from a rational, objective point of view after judging him by the results of his tenures and articulating their opposition in a fair and reasonable manner. I think its because the minority who are just vile and vitriolic about it are the most vocal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 based on the little part you know, is there anything positive to look forward to? Administration is a bugger as it will rob us of all our strength. However I now share the belief that we will come out the other side frail, dizzy and suffering the pain but with a future. We will not die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 With due respect to Fitzhugh Fella, this is the sort of observation that does tend to mislead people. Whatever Lowe may have done to incur debts over the SMS, there is little doubt that the current situation stems from the two years that Lowe was not on the board. We have seen massive cost cutting this year, so the current board are hardly to blame on that side of the account, but the performance of the team has resulted in falling gates and reducing income, which probably is a major factor. The dilemma for any board is how do you cut costs and improve the team at the same time. Its circle that is almost impossible to square, but you can dsee how they have tried by bringing in new players, but ones on lower wages. Lowe's hope was that the academy boys would come good, which some have, but not good enough, so if that judgement was at fault then he's paying the price, but what alternative was there for a club deep in debt? You really are an ignorant person. I can't be arsed to explain why, it would be pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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