OldNick Posted 27 March, 2009 Posted 27 March, 2009 Today i saw a speech on Sky by the brazillian PM saying that the banking crisis was brought on by white skinned people with blue eyes.In this day and age ahould we be outraged as a racist attack or does it not count?
Pancake Posted 27 March, 2009 Posted 27 March, 2009 Without wanting to open that argument again, I would say it was...
Saint_Pedro Posted 27 March, 2009 Posted 27 March, 2009 Yes its racist, but I don't care because he's absolutely right - all bankers and politicians I've seen have blue eyes (except that one-eyed Scottish idiot)
hamster Posted 27 March, 2009 Posted 27 March, 2009 Really he should retract it imo, it wouldn't hurt would it.
hamster Posted 27 March, 2009 Posted 27 March, 2009 Yes its racist, but I don't care because he's absolutely right - all bankers and politicians I've seen have blue eyes (except that one-eyed Scottish idiot) Racist
OldNick Posted 27 March, 2009 Author Posted 27 March, 2009 Is'nt he white himself??The Brazilian PM? If so no, he is as most Brazilian people are coloured.Definately brown eyed.
The Majestic Channon Posted 27 March, 2009 Posted 27 March, 2009 Yes I am white. Not you, the Brazilian pm. I suppose this will be seen as humerous and laughed off because it was against white people.Not that the comments both me but imagine the outcry if it was said about blacks.
Saint_Pedro Posted 27 March, 2009 Posted 27 March, 2009 not you, the brazilian pm. I suppose this will be seen as humerous and laughed off because it was against white people.not that the comments both me but imagine the outcry if it was said about blacks. Yes, we're both white. Doesn't sound so bad now, eh?
The Majestic Channon Posted 27 March, 2009 Posted 27 March, 2009 The Brazilian PM? If so no, he is as most Brazilian people are coloured.Definately brown eyed. Just looks like a tanned white person to me :smt017
OldNick Posted 27 March, 2009 Author Posted 27 March, 2009 Not you, the Brazilian pm. I suppose this will be seen as humerous and laughed off because it was against white people.Not that the comments both me but imagine the outcry if it was said about blacks. I myself dont worry but did wonder if the boot was on the other foot.Ima white honky and dont care what Im called, although terms of disrespect like fooish, stupid and dinlo may do so. I await the following barrage, lol
OldNick Posted 27 March, 2009 Author Posted 27 March, 2009 Just looks like a tanned white person to me :smt017No he's Brazilian although with hair.....
OldNick Posted 27 March, 2009 Author Posted 27 March, 2009 Yes, we're both white. Doesn't sound so bad now, eh?but he's not a white blue eyed boy and speaks in a funny language. The point is was it rascist? In todays society i get confused what is and what is not
OldNick Posted 27 March, 2009 Author Posted 27 March, 2009 What if he was a Muslim?That is racial, and i dont think that has anything to do with it, although again it is confusing.
Saint Keith Posted 27 March, 2009 Posted 27 March, 2009 What if he was a Muslim? then we'd build him a new home and give him sheds loads of money as compensation for ruining his feelings
hamster Posted 27 March, 2009 Posted 27 March, 2009 Why does race and racism ALWAYS bring the worst out in some people? I am taking bets as to how many posts will this get to before it's locked. Maybe we should have a racism forum?
OldNick Posted 27 March, 2009 Author Posted 27 March, 2009 Why does race and racism ALWAYS bring the worst out in some people? I am taking bets as to how many posts will this get to before it's locked. Maybe we should have a racism forum? I dont want this to degenerate inot real racism, but do feel it would be good to know where the boundaries are if the boot is on the other foot.Being a white blue eyed person should i feel affronted by the words or not worry.I dont worry as I have said but also know there is no way I could say the opposite without fingers being pointed in disgust
Smirking_Saint Posted 27 March, 2009 Posted 27 March, 2009 Hmm, i have green eyes, so if i were all you blue eyed people i would be really ****ed off, i however will sit on the moral highground, safe in the knowledge this mess was only half to do with me ?
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 27 March, 2009 Posted 27 March, 2009 Being a white blue eyed person should i feel affronted by the words or not worry. If you brought on the banking crisis then you should feel affronted, if you did not, don't worry. Don't think it would be wise for us to follow the over sensitive route others take, where would it stop ?
hamster Posted 27 March, 2009 Posted 27 March, 2009 I dont want this to degenerate inot real racism, but do feel it would be good to know where the boundaries are if the boot is on the other foot.Being a white blue eyed person should i feel affronted by the words or not worry.I dont worry as I have said but also know there is no way I could say the opposite without fingers being pointed in disgust So are we discussing whether the comment was racist, or are we discussing whether the economy of the world is actually controlled by wealthy white men (albeit a bit of a generalisation, I suspect he was not far from the truth). And should we not be discussing whether he was being sexist too? I think that there was a programme on TV a while ago about "wealthy white men" controlling the Worlds economies. Anyone else see it? Link?
OldNick Posted 27 March, 2009 Author Posted 27 March, 2009 So are we discussing whether the comment was racist, or are we discussing whether the economy of the wealthy white men (albeit a bit of a generalisation, I suspect he was not far from the truth). And should we not be discussing whether he was being sexist too? I think that there was a programme on TV a while ago about controlling the Worlds economies. Anyone else see it? Link? "world is actually controlled by wealthy white men" a dangerous area as it could also turn into anti semetic debate
OldNick Posted 27 March, 2009 Author Posted 27 March, 2009 If you brought on the banking crisis then you should feel affronted, if you did not, don't worry. Don't think it would be wise for us to follow the over sensitive route others take, where would it stop ? 100% correct.
hamster Posted 27 March, 2009 Posted 27 March, 2009 I could add to this debate but i won't. Sometimes the silence is deafening stanley. The G12/20 (whatever it is) demo's could be interesting. The protesters don't really give the impression that they represent the average person in the street.
Robsk II Posted 27 March, 2009 Posted 27 March, 2009 POf course it was racist. The fact that it has some gernalised truth makes no difference, because the vast majority of men with white skin and blue eyes did not cause it. If he wants to criticise Western banking systems and practise, fine. - yet bringing matters of race into it implies it is because of the race. Clearly an absurd statement.
Smirking_Saint Posted 27 March, 2009 Posted 27 March, 2009 Personally i believe that it is racist, will anything be done however..... no i believe not. Unfortunately that is the society of today, some things are jumped on as being completely unpolitically correct and unproportionate actions are taken where as others are not. Personally i believe the whole politically correct/racist/health and safety etc etc world we live in to be so hypocritical as to be damaging. The world is on it's head, the world is a mess. obviously that is just my opinion
Gingeletiss Posted 27 March, 2009 Posted 27 March, 2009 If that was said by a Blue eyed white man, about a Black...all the lefties would be up in arms....if I said it on here, I'd be banned, and that my friends, is what the problem is!!!
Robsk II Posted 27 March, 2009 Posted 27 March, 2009 If that was said by a Blue eyed white man, about a Black... It would be just as retarded as racist. And THAT is the problem. Why on earth would you consider that acceptable behaviour? It has nothing to to with this rather over-used loonie-left rubbish, it has to do with basic civility and respect for each other.
Gingeletiss Posted 27 March, 2009 Posted 27 March, 2009 It would be just as retarded as racist. And THAT is the problem. Why on earth would you consider that acceptable behaviour? It has nothing to to with this rather over-used loonie-left rubbish, it has to do with basic civility and respect for each other. Well...you're entitled to your opinion, but I'll just beg to differ, I base this on day to day happenings, as reported in the media,and general conversation. Again IMO it has everything to do with the lefties, we have a majority being ruled by a minority, and that is fact, and you and I both know it. Check out the teachers, check out the local councils, check out our Judges...etc etc etc, our gutless goverment.
Johnny Bognor Posted 27 March, 2009 Posted 27 March, 2009 I find it quite ironic that the Brazilian President is the leader of the most prominent left wing party in Brazil. Bloody Socialist Racists - they are the worst kind - Hypocrites as well as predjudiced.
bridge too far Posted 27 March, 2009 Posted 27 March, 2009 Well...you're entitled to your opinion, but I'll just beg to differ, I base this on day to day happenings, as reported in the media,and general conversation. Again IMO it has everything to do with the lefties, we have a majority being ruled by a minority, and that is fact, and you and I both know it. Check out the teachers, check out the local councils, check out our Judges...etc etc etc, our gutless goverment. Most of which are Conservative controlled. Here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/localelections08
Saint Martini Posted 27 March, 2009 Posted 27 March, 2009 Well...you're entitled to your opinion, but I'll just beg to differ, I base this on day to day happenings, as reported in the media,and general conversation. Again IMO it has everything to do with the lefties, we have a majority being ruled by a minority, and that is fact, and you and I both know it. Check out the teachers, check out the local councils, check out our Judges...etc etc etc, our gutless goverment. But even if there are a lot of white blue eyed people in charge of the companies that caused the crisis and even if most of the governments of the countries in which the crisis started consist mainly of white blue eyed people that does not mean there is a causal relation between their race and the creation of this crisis. To make that isinuation is racist and it is just not acceptable.
Viking Warrior Posted 27 March, 2009 Posted 27 March, 2009 **** Im going to sue him , he has discriminated against me, Im white but don't have blue eyes. Life is so unfair
Badger Posted 27 March, 2009 Posted 27 March, 2009 "world is actually controlled by wealthy white men" a dangerous area as it could also turn into anti semetic debate That is an interesting point you make there.Can you imagine the global outcry had the PM of Brazil suggested that it was the influence of Zionist bankers etc to blame ?
bridge too far Posted 27 March, 2009 Posted 27 March, 2009 What if he was a Muslim? If one is a Muslim then one is a believer in Islam. That is a religion, not a race.
Ludwig Posted 27 March, 2009 Posted 27 March, 2009 The downturn can be blamed on a number of factors - but, the collateral debt obligations from the sophisticated American finance system being mixed into other unsophisticated systems led to turmoil. The actual CDOs themselves based on the bad debts, which we reaped the benefits from the debt-securitisation a few years ago, but are paying the price for that now. Hiding the losses in a box and inflating your earnings doesn't mean that the losses aren't there - this could be blamed upon the Americans with packaging up their sub-prime mortgages in CDOs that were not repayable. White middle classes trading in these and increasing exposure to such bad debts - granted by Americans for the benefit of Americans, can only be a problem created by whites? Surely the sub-prime mortgage crisis can be held as the basis upon which current events unfolded and have led to the situation we find ourselves in? Then it can only be a problem from the whites.... although we could then go to blaming East Asians for saving too much, but then that opens questions over whether foreign-credit-fuelled consumption is actually any good for us and Asian countries saving after their crash in '97 are simply more prudent. That we're not learning any lessons at all - and are instead creating bubbles upon which we 'improve our lives' - if these bubbles are unsustainable (which they are) surely this is an action that shouldn't be taken and there should've been more regulation over the mortgage market. Doesn't this sort of show that the events leading upto the current world downturn was as a result of white middle-class greed - surely then the Brazilian PM is justified in his comments. Is a person not allowed to blame a certain type of person for crimes/offences that only that type of person has committed? I don't think he's being racist, but is criticising the institutional greed inherent in the 'white' West - mainly America, but us too.
Ludwig Posted 27 March, 2009 Posted 27 March, 2009 But even if there are a lot of white blue eyed people in charge of the companies that caused the crisis and even if most of the governments of the countries in which the crisis started consist mainly of white blue eyed people that does not mean there is a causal relation between their race and the creation of this crisis. To make that isinuation is racist and it is just not acceptable. There is a causal link between the materialistic nature of white western society and the events leading to the situation we find ourselves in. I see no problem in making such a statement. It's not just the govts - it's all our faults as well, for wanting to buy a new car, a new house etc. but paying for it by the means of loans that are often beyond our financial reach. It's the lower classes - who have a higher marginal propensity to consumer, who buy expensive things beyond their financial means and the culture that encourages them to live a materialistic hedonistic lifestyle, in which having the latest thing is the best thing. This culture has been created, propogated and consumed by the white west - they are to blame.
TheCholulaKid Posted 28 March, 2009 Posted 28 March, 2009 Well...you're entitled to your opinion, but I'll just beg to differ, I base this on day to day happenings, as reported in the media,and general conversation. Again IMO it has everything to do with the lefties, we have a majority being ruled by a minority, and that is fact, and you and I both know it. Check out the teachers, check out the local councils, check out our Judges...etc etc etc, our gutless goverment. You are a complete and utter ****.
TheCholulaKid Posted 28 March, 2009 Posted 28 March, 2009 I myself dont worry but did wonder if the boot was on the other foot.Ima white honky and dont care what Im called, although terms of disrespect like fooish, stupid and dinlo may do so. I await the following barrage, lol Of course you don't worry. You probably don't think either.
Gingeletiss Posted 28 March, 2009 Posted 28 March, 2009 You are a complete and utter ****. Lol...say's the author of the last two posts, I bet you're some kind of activist, as they don't believe anyone else is entitled to a viewpoint. I won't trade insults with you, so I'll just stick you on ignore.
OldNick Posted 28 March, 2009 Author Posted 28 March, 2009 Of course you don't worry. You probably don't think either.Perhaps, i know what i think of you though
miserableoldgit Posted 28 March, 2009 Posted 28 March, 2009 You are a complete and utter ****. A very well thought out and constructed response and not in the slightest bit offensive, because we don`t want to offend anybody do we?:confused:
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