Is this for real?

[Weston Super Saint]

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=238957&postcount=113

 

I cannot believe some of the callous, heartless people that our society has bred. If you've got nothing positive to contribute, don't bother contributing at all. What's the point? No one gives a toss what you've got to say anyway, you're just making yourselves look like ****s.

 

So is this the new board regime, and will it be applied to ALL the threads - including the main board?

 

Guess what Ponty, this is a forum - a meeting place for people to have discussions - and not everyone will see the world the way you do! But to say that If you've got nothing positive to contribute, don't bother contributing at all is a little pompous and self centered isn't it?

[Um Bongo]

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=238957&postcount=113

 

 

 

So is this the new board regime, and will it be applied to ALL the threads - including the main board?

 

Guess what Ponty, this is a forum - a meeting place for people to have discussions - and not everyone will see the world the way you do! But to say that If you've got nothing positive to contribute, don't bother contributing at all is a little pompous and self centered isn't it?

 

How dare you. I agree. If people make themselves look like ****s, then so be it. A topic shouldn't be locked because someone doesnt like what a few people have said.

[swastika eyes]

I was more than surprised about that too ! Locking a thread because people weren't saying nice things about someone who had died ! I would never had said anything positive about her when she was alive and see no reason to alter this now.

[Ponty]

I locked the thread because it had run its course.

Yes, my post was "for real", whatever you mean by that.

No, it's not some regime you've imagined up, and therefore it won't be applied across the forum or the main board.

 

There's simply a thing called decency. You might have heard of it, although I'm not going to take that for granted, and I think it was missing from that thread. I was hardly being self-centred, after all I'm not the one starting a new thread to whine about it.

[saint_stevo]

he locked it cos i said so, and some of the stuff on that thread was harsh as f*ck, as i knew it would when i saw a thread appear about J.G

[Weston Super Saint]

I locked the thread because it had run its course.

Yes, my post was "for real", whatever you mean by that.

No, it's not some regime you've imagined up, and therefore it won't be applied across the forum or the main board.

 

There's simply a thing called decency. You might have heard of it, although I'm not going to take that for granted, and I think it was missing from that thread. I was hardly being self-centred, after all I'm not the one starting a new thread to whine about it.

 

LOL.

 

So what about the 'no one gives a toss about what you've got to say' bit in your quote?

 

Not sure you've really grasped the concept of this forum malarky

 

And as for your 'there's a thing called decency', well yes there is, but again, people's perceptions and understanding of what is and what isn't decency will be different. And yes, you were being pompous and self centered locking a thread just because you didn't like the OPINIONS of a few other posters.

[Wiltshire Saint]

LOL.

 

So what about the 'no one gives a toss about what you've got to say' bit in your quote?

 

Not sure you've really grasped the concept of this forum malarky

 

And as for your 'there's a thing called decency', well yes there is, but again, people's perceptions and understanding of what is and what isn't decency will be different. And yes, you were being pompous and self centered locking a thread just because you didn't like the OPINIONS of a few other posters.

 

God, you really are a **** aren't you? Please stop posting.

[scott_saints]

To sum up this Jade Goody Malarkey....

 

 

Hardly any one liked her before she had cancer.

 

When she got cancer she was still not popular, but recieved lots of sympathy- Which is fair because no one wants cancer!

 

She then wanted it publicised everywhere to promote awareness etc. Some liked her for doing so and some didn't and didn't want people saying nasty things about someone who is dying.

 

She then died of Cancer.

 

Alot of people still don't like who she was.

 

Some people don't like it when others say nasty things about dead people and accuse the people who do so for being "sick".

[Ponty]

I agree with Wilts. There may be an amount of crap that, as an administrator, I'm forced to turn a blind eye to if it doesn't break any rules but, at the end of the day, I'm actually just a decent bloke with no real tolerance for those devoid of humanity. Posting ill-informed, bigotted or just downright nasty comments about anybody is neither big nor clever and when it's someone who's just died, aged 27, it's just sick. You didn't like her, we get it. We'd got it already in the last thread where you were metaphorically ****ing on her body, it really didn't need saying again. I doubt you'll find one person on here who'd claim to be a fan of her or her work - why would they? - but there are plenty who've spoken well of her final campaign to raise awareness of a terrible disease and provide for her sons, while you sit their raining your sick judgement from your high horse. If you think I shouldn't have an opinion because I'm an administrator, that's fine, I don't care what you think about it. If my peers feel the same, that's fine too because my principles count for more to me than having the ability to lock a thread or two.

[Saint_clark]

Raising awareness is all well and good, but the ridiculous line she gave "I want everyone to cry for me" was just pathetic.

If you heard someone saying those kind of things (from the other thread) about her in the street, would you honestly confront them? No, you would ignore it and walk away, so why are you not just turning a blind eye and letting a public forum remain a place where people can discuss what they want?

[EastleighSoulBoy]

I agree with Wilts. There may be an amount of crap that, as an administrator, I'm forced to turn a blind eye to if it doesn't break any rules but, at the end of the day, I'm actually just a decent bloke with no real tolerance for those devoid of humanity. Posting ill-informed, bigotted or just downright nasty comments about anybody is neither big nor clever and when it's someone who's just died, aged 27, it's just sick. You didn't like her, we get it. We'd got it already in the last thread where you were metaphorically ****ing on her body, it really didn't need saying again. I doubt you'll find one person on here who'd claim to be a fan of her or her work - why would they? - but there are plenty who've spoken well of her final campaign to raise awareness of a terrible disease and provide for her sons, while you sit their raining your sick judgement from your high horse. If you think I shouldn't have an opinion because I'm an administrator, that's fine, I don't care what you think about it. If my peers feel the same, that's fine too because my principles count for more to me than having the ability to lock a thread or two.

 

Well said!

 

I thought that she was a monotonously boring person, like most people prone to a few gaffes. Her being diagnosed with cancer did not alter my opinion of her but I did feel for her with the pain and trauma she was enduring. Cancer is a cruel and insidious disease, it knows no class barriers and it's criminal to watch a fellow human descend into a world of pain and drug induced sleep. But whatever anyone's opinion of this girl we should, if we have any substance about us, show a certain amount of restraint in the circumstances.

 

Fair play to your principles Ponty.

[Baj]

I agree with Wilts. There may be an amount of crap that, as an administrator, I'm forced to turn a blind eye to if it doesn't break any rules but, at the end of the day, I'm actually just a decent bloke with no real tolerance for those devoid of humanity. Posting ill-informed, bigotted or just downright nasty comments about anybody is neither big nor clever and when it's someone who's just died, aged 27, it's just sick. You didn't like her, we get it. We'd got it already in the last thread where you were metaphorically ****ing on her body, it really didn't need saying again. I doubt you'll find one person on here who'd claim to be a fan of her or her work - why would they? - but there are plenty who've spoken well of her final campaign to raise awareness of a terrible disease and provide for her sons, while you sit their raining your sick judgement from your high horse. If you think I shouldn't have an opinion because I'm an administrator, that's fine, I don't care what you think about it. If my peers feel the same, that's fine too because my principles count for more to me than having the ability to lock a thread or two.

 

FWIW, i completely agree with pontys comments and im equally ****ing sick of certain peoples views, whether it be because they are moronic, or just because its entertaining to get a rise out of people. These are the same people who will never realise they add nothing to this forum.

[Thedelldays]

FWIW, i completely agree with pontys comments and im equally ****ing sick of certain peoples views, whether it be because they are moronic, or just because its entertaining to get a rise out of people. These are the same people who will never realise they add nothing to this forum.

the same people that cough up the £5 to help keep it going eh..?

 

are you rupert in disguise (not the first time this has been said)

[Baj]

Money doesnt excuse character and i think it was pretty obvious I was referring to that

[Weston Super Saint]

I agree with Wilts. There may be an amount of crap that, as an administrator, I'm forced to turn a blind eye to if it doesn't break any rules but, at the end of the day, I'm actually just a decent bloke with no real tolerance for those devoid of humanity. Posting ill-informed, bigotted or just downright nasty comments about anybody is neither big nor clever and when it's someone who's just died, aged 27, it's just sick. You didn't like her, we get it. We'd got it already in the last thread where you were metaphorically ****ing on her body, it really didn't need saying again. I doubt you'll find one person on here who'd claim to be a fan of her or her work - why would they? - but there are plenty who've spoken well of her final campaign to raise awareness of a terrible disease and provide for her sons, while you sit their raining your sick judgement from your high horse. If you think I shouldn't have an opinion because I'm an administrator, that's fine, I don't care what you think about it. If my peers feel the same, that's fine too because my principles count for more to me than having the ability to lock a thread or two.

 

I'm assuming you used the option to delete the offending comments and dish out infractions to all those posts that broke the forum rules.

[norwaysaint]

Good work Ponty, there really are some ignorant ****s on this forum.

[Weston Super Saint]

FWIW, i completely agree with pontys comments and im equally ****ing sick of certain peoples views, whether it be because they are moronic, or just because its entertaining to get a rise out of people. These are the same people who will never realise they add nothing to this forum.

 

LOL.

 

This is a FOOTBALL forum.

 

I guess if you don't want other topics to be discussed - other than football, and Saints in particular - because 'they add nothing to this forum', then why have all the other sub forums?

[thesaint sfc]

I think considering the circumstances of a young woman dying of cancer, leaving 2 young children behind, Ponty was 100% in the right. Some people were just being disrespectful and totally immoral. If anyone doesn't at least feel an ounce of sorrow towards the situation then they have some serious issues and are completely heartless. Whatever way you look at it - a young woman has died a slow and painful death, both emotionally and physically and 2 young children have lost their mother. I disliked the woman and I disagreed with the way she seemingly publicised her death, but it's a hideous situation and I show my respects for the family. My Grandad died of cancer last year and I appreciate what a terrible experience it is to watch someone you love slowly fade away and die right in front of your eyes leaving you feeling completely helpless.

[miserableoldgit]

I agree with Wilts. There may be an amount of crap that, as an administrator, I'm forced to turn a blind eye to if it doesn't break any rules but, at the end of the day, I'm actually just a decent bloke with no real tolerance for those devoid of humanity. Posting ill-informed, bigotted or just downright nasty comments about anybody is neither big nor clever and when it's someone who's just died, aged 27, it's just sick. You didn't like her, we get it. We'd got it already in the last thread where you were metaphorically ****ing on her body, it really didn't need saying again. I doubt you'll find one person on here who'd claim to be a fan of her or her work - why would they? - but there are plenty who've spoken well of her final campaign to raise awareness of a terrible disease and provide for her sons, while you sit their raining your sick judgement from your high horse. If you think I shouldn't have an opinion because I'm an administrator, that's fine, I don't care what you think about it. If my peers feel the same, that's fine too because my principles count for more to me than having the ability to lock a thread or two.

 

Whilst I applaud your stance on this topic, and your aim of furthering the cause of decency on this forum, I would like to know where the line is being drawn here. It may be a generational thing, but I find that posters calling other posters (who they don`t actually know) ****s, spastics and ****wits etc, because they have different views to their own, oversteps the bounds of decent behaviour and seems to go unpunished.

[norwaysaint]

Whilst I applaud your stance on this topic, and your aim of furthering the cause of decency on this forum, I would like to know where the line is being drawn here. It may be a generational thing, but I find that posters calling other posters (who they don`t actually know) ****s, spastics and ****wits etc, because they have different views to their own, oversteps the bounds of decent behaviour and seems to go unpunished.

 

****

[miserableoldgit]

****

I was waiting for that!

[Pancake]

but I find that posters calling other posters (who they don`t actually know) ****s, spastics and ****wits etc, because they have different views to their own, oversteps the bounds of decent behaviour and seems to go unpunished.

 

So do I, and also the rest of the Mods and Admins. We DO dish out infractions, warnings or PM where needed IF we see the post; but we cant view all the posts, so we rely on posters using the "complain" function if they see something that needs to be bough to our attention.

 

So please, use that function.

[thesaint sfc]

Whilst I applaud your stance on this topic, and your aim of furthering the cause of decency on this forum, I would like to know where the line is being drawn here. It may be a generational thing, but I find that posters calling other posters (who they don`t actually know) ****s, spastics and ****wits etc, because they have different views to their own, oversteps the bounds of decent behaviour and seems to go unpunished.

 

It's a bit like speeding isn't it? Every f*cker does it, so it often goes unpunished. But the day you are late and go at 32mph in a 30 the traffic cops are out with their speed cameras.

[Saint_clark]

Whilst I applaud your stance on this topic, and your aim of furthering the cause of decency on this forum, I would like to know where the line is being drawn here. It may be a generational thing, but I find that posters calling other posters (who they don`t actually know) ****s, spastics and ****wits etc, because they have different views to their own, oversteps the bounds of decent behaviour and seems to go unpunished.

 

There are also quite offensive comments made about a fair few people who have died in the past. Princess Diana for one - and yet it was just left running.

[jawillwill]

Whilst I applaud your stance on this topic, and your aim of furthering the cause of decency on this forum, I would like to know where the line is being drawn here. It may be a generational thing, but I find that posters calling other posters (who they don`t actually know) ****s, spastics and ****wits etc, because they have different views to their own, oversteps the bounds of decent behaviour and seems to go unpunished.

 

I think there's a massive difference between calling someone a c*** for their sickening views on an internet messageboard and saying things such as you're going to sh*t on a recently deceased young woman.

 

I absolutely 100% agree with everything Ponty has said. Yes, you should expect to have your own say when you've paid an almighty 1.34p per day to use the forum, but surely you can still understand that there's a line between free speech and having some common decency for someone (no matter ho you feel about her) who has just died of a terrible disease. If you can't see that yourself, I think you seriously need to take a long hard look at yourself and hope that no one you ever know dies of cancer.

 

I knew there were some c**ts on this forum, but I always (mistakenly) assumed that they at least had some traits of human nature within them. Seems I was wrong.

[thesaint sfc]

There are also quite offensive comments made about a fair few people who have died in the past. Princess Diana for one - and yet it was just left running.

 

Kind of agree with that, the only argument there is that she hasn't literally just died, and whilst the comments were disrespectful I think it was more in a joking/messing around way. Not that that makes it OK. I do think this forum is perhaps a bit too tolerant sometimes, rather than not tolerant enough. So I more agree with what has been done this time, as opposed to what wasn't last time. Amazes me how WSS has to be such a controversial sod all the time though. Why can't people just accept the way things are?

[miserableoldgit]

I think there's a massive difference between calling someone a c*** for their sickening views on an internet messageboard and saying things such as you're going to sh*t on a recently deceased young woman.

 

I absolutely 100% agree with everything Ponty has said. Yes, you should expect to have your own say when you've paid an almighty 1.34p per day to use the forum, but surely you can still understand that there's a line between free speech and having some common decency for someone (no matter ho you feel about her) who has just died of a terrible disease. If you can't see that yourself, I think you seriously need to take a long hard look at yourself and hope that no one you ever know dies of cancer.

 

I knew there were some c**ts on this forum, but I always (mistakenly) assumed that they at least had some traits of human nature within them. Seems I was wrong.

I agree with what you say here, but my point was that there are people on this forum who feel free, behind the "invisibilty cloak" of their keyboard to call other posters offensive names just because they have opposing views to theirs. TBF I have felt like responding at times to some of the sickening posts in this way, but if people resort to these insults to back up an argument, then , as far as I am concerned, they have already lost it.

[Thedelldays]

Kind of agree with that, the only argument there is that she hasn't literally just died, and whilst the comments were disrespectful I think it was more in a joking/messing around way. Not that that makes it OK. I do think this forum is perhaps a bit too tolerant sometimes, rather than not tolerant enough. So I more agree with what has been done this time, as opposed to what wasn't last time. Amazes me how WSS has to be such a controversial sod all the time though. Why can't people just accept the way things are?

oh...that is ok then.. as lomg as we are only messing about and joking about di losing her life in a car crash

[thesaint sfc]

oh...that is ok then.. as lomg as we are only messing about and joking about di losing her life in a car crash

 

Read the next 5 words I say you noob.

[Hatch]

I am totally indifferent.

The Mods/Admins can lock any thread they like, why would I give a fucl{.

[bungle]

I am totally indifferent.

The Mods/Admins can lock any thread they like, why would I give a fucl{.

 

They should lock the Horse tips thread to stop you giving out such bad advice!!

[Thedelldays]

 

I knew there were some c**ts on this forum, but I always (mistakenly) assumed that they at least had some traits of human nature within them. Seems I was wrong.

I have not read the whole goody thread..

 

so, can you tell me if there are posts that have traits that people are sick in the head or something...?

[Saint_clark]

I have not read the whole goody thread..

 

so, can you tell me if there are posts that have traits that people are sick in the head or something...?

 

"RIP

 

Oh ****, I meant to RIP the other dead person thread, is it too late to change?"

 

This, IMO, was the worst post. :smt017

[Son of Bob]

Ponty, I'm totally behind you on this one. Some people think it's big and clever to build a certain internet persona that gains them notoriaty and some sort of twisted respect from their equally twisted peers. It never ceases to amaze me how hard people are willing to work to become total idiots. The funny thing is you meet these people in real life situations and generally they are the polar opposite of the character they portray online.

 

The sad thing about chat forums like this is that you'll always have people trying to make a name for themselves by throwing in some outspoken, and often plain wrong comments to bolster their internet ego. The only people that they gain respect from are those who are equally idiotic. In my eyes they're welcome to each other but I just wish they wouldn't use this forum to spout their childish, vitriolic bile.

 

Just to add to what Pancake says, we can't read every post on every thread so if people are offended or feel thay have reason to complain about a thread then please use the report function. If we are made aware of a post that oversteps the mark it will be infracted. If we don't see it, or aren't made aware of it, there's nothing we can do.

[scott_saints]

Mountain out of a mole hill springs to mind.

[Thedelldays]

"RIP

 

Oh ****, I meant to RIP the other dead person thread, is it too late to change?"

 

This, IMO, was the worst post. :smt017

wow

 

 

i can see that we lack traits that make up a decent human being...lol

[Thedelldays]

Ponty, I'm totally behind you on this one. Some people think it's big and clever to build a certain internet persona that gains them notoriaty and some sort of twisted respect from their equally twisted peers. It never ceases to amaze me how hard people are willing to work to become total idiots. The funny thing is you meet these people in real life situations and generally they are the polar opposite of the character they portray online.

 

The sad thing about chat forums like this is that you'll always have people trying to make a name for themselves by throwing in some outspoken, and often plain wrong comments to bolster their internet ego. The only people that they gain respect from are those who are equally idiotic. In my eyes they're welcome to each other but I just wish they wouldn't use this forum to spout their childish, vitriolic bile.

 

Just to add to what Pancake says, we can't read every post on every thread so if people are offended or feel thay have reason to complain about a thread then please use the report function. If we are made aware of a post that oversteps the mark it will be infracted. If we don't see it, or aren't made aware of it, there's nothing we can do.

 

 

again..

 

stop being so dramatic

 

in what way are people being twisted..? please, it would be great to know

where have people (on the thread in question) vomiting their "childish bile"

 

where...?

 

edit - I did not like it when people are VERY open about having a party when maggie thatcher dies....was that thrad locked...? lol

[Son of Bob]

again..

 

stop being so dramatic

 

in what way are people being twisted..? please, it would be great to know

where have people (on the thread in question) vomiting their "childish bile"

 

where...?

 

I'm not even going to warrant pointing out the hundreds of examples over the last few months. I have neither the time, nor the inclination. If you can't understand the point I'm making, I really won't lose any sleep over it.

[Thedelldays]

I'm not even going to warrant pointing out the hundreds of examples over the last few months. I have neither the time, nor the inclination. If you can't understand the point I'm making, I really won't lose any sleep over it.

bothered

 

if you cant be arsed then why are you a MOD then

 

if there have been "hundreds" why have you (seemingly) done nothing then..?

 

after all, so many seem to appal you..?

[Son of Bob]

Mountain out of a mole hill springs to mind.

 

'Straw that broke the camels back' springs to mind.

[Thedelldays]

'Straw that broke the camels back' springs to mind.

again...what was it..

 

you seem to be using the fact that some have said (at worset) "i did not like the woman" as a reason to have a pop..?

 

I did not like goody...sorry but that is a fact, she contributed nothing, and offered nothing..sad that she has gone like this and fair play to her for securing a future for her kids...im sure I would have done the same if had the chance...

 

 

if that is so offensive then may I suggest that who finds it offensicve NEVER leaves the sanctury or their bubble

[Son of Bob]

bothered

 

if you cant be arsed then why are you a MOD then

 

if there have been "hundreds" why have you (seemingly) done nothing then..?

 

after all, so many seem to appal you..?

 

No, not 'so many' at all. Just the usual stuff from the usual suspects and they know who they are. It's not a matter of being arsed, I don't need to be arsed. Anyone with a modicom of intelligence will know what I'm talking about. If you can't see it then that's your issue, not mine.

[Pancake]

Delldays, as you clearly haven't read the thread in question or even understand the simple issue here, can I suggest you shut the **** up?

[Thedelldays]

No, not 'so many' at all. Just the usual suspects and they know who they are. It's not a matter of being arsed, I don't need to be arsed. Anyone with a modicom of intelligence will know what I'm talking about. If you can't see it then that's your issue, not mine.

 

 

well..seeing as you are sickened by some..I hope/assume your morals will extend to all issues like this..

 

as none were shown by mods when people tear into princess di..or when people will happily admit they will have a street party when maggie goes..

 

all of which have been said of late on here

 

 

- pancake. I have read it now and found all of one "sick" post out of over 100

[Special K]

Lolz@innernetforumwars.

 

Keyboard heroes of the world unite and take over!

[Son of Bob]

well..seeing as you are sickened by some..I hope/assume your morals will extend to all issues like this..

 

as none were shown by mods when people tear into princess di..or when people will happily admit they will have a street party when maggie goes..

 

all of which have been said of late on here

 

 

- pancake. I have read it now and found all of one "sick" post out of over 100

 

Of course. Like I said, we are not 'all seeing'. If you feel a post has over-stepped the mark, bring it to our attention with the report function and we'll deal with it accordingly. It really is THAT easy.

 

Do you honestly think that we are able to read EVERY post on EVERY forum?

[Mr saint]

well..seeing as you are sickened by some..I hope/assume your morals will extend to all issues like this..

 

as none were shown by mods when people tear into princess di..or when people will happily admit they will have a street party when maggie goes..

 

all of which have been said of late on here

 

 

- pancake. I have read it now and found all of one "sick" post out of over 100

 

There are quite a few posts which have been deleted in that thread. The fact that there is only 1 "sick post" if anything makes it worse, considering the ones left on there are supposed to be the nice posts.

 

No one at all is saying you have to have liked her (I know I didn't, and neither did the majority of people on that thread), but surely people can have the common decency to at least have a bit of respect for the dead.

[Weston Super Saint]

Posting ill-informed, bigotted or just downright nasty comments about anybody is neither big nor clever and when it's someone who's just died, aged 27, it's just sick. You didn't like her, we get it. We'd got it already in the last thread where you were metaphorically ****ing on her body, it really didn't need saying again.

 

Pretty sure you've got me confused with someone else there, but I'd be happy for you to link me to a post of mine where I am metaphorically ****ing - or anything else for that matter - on her body.

[Pancake]

No one at all is saying you have to have liked her (I know I didn't, and neither did the majority of people on that thread), but surely people can have the common decency to at least have a bit of respect for the dead.

 

Indeed. Im sure TDD would be the first to jump in if others started to say "bad" things about Anthony Huntrod and Paul McCann.

[Weston Super Saint]

Of course. Like I said, we are not 'all seeing'. If you feel a post has over-stepped the mark, bring it to our attention with the report function and we'll deal with it accordingly. It really is THAT easy.

 

Do you honestly think that we are able to read EVERY post on EVERY forum?

 

So, just how many posts were brought to your attention, before Ponty locked the thread full of sickening posts?