Rallying cry for the "stay aways"

[Snowballs2]

  saintwarwick said:

Were you at the final game against Sheffield Utd last season?

 

yes but we are talking about this season

[Frank's cousin]

  Wes Tender said:

This has got to be one of your weaker responses in a debate, Frank.

 

So when we were in the Premiership watching the likes of Bolton, it cost the same as it does now to watch the likes of Blackpool, Swansea, Plymouth, Doncaster, etc, the difference being that although you might have considered it a chore watching a boring draw against Bolton one week, the next week you would be watching ManUre, Liverpool, Chelski, Arsenal, etc. for a similar amount.

 

And even when we were in the lower reaches of the Premiership, which was more often than not, we still gained entertainment at a much higher level than this, even at the same time as we were being soundly beaten, as we watched World stars like Viera, Cantona, Beckham and Bergkamp. From time to time, we would beat teams containing such stars, such as the 6-3 thrashing of United, or the 4-0 against Middlesbrough with Juninho, Ravenelli and Emmerson playing and victory would be so much sweeter.

 

You bet we expect to be entertained for our money! If we are paying the same as we were in the Premiership and watching the youth team playing Doncaster, then it might just be justified if we were playing scintillating football and hammering teams like that every week.

 

But of course, we are not.

 

Fair enough, but the point I was trying to make is that we and other CCC clubs charge what they do because they have players whose expectational remuneration wise are base don Prem fall out wage structure...yet the clubs dont ahve the TV revenue to support it... its unsustainable long term... I was not really trying to justify the price, but make the comparison. If the prem did not ahve the TV revenue to sustain those wages they would be charging £200 a ticket! - its that business model that is the cause of the inflated prices we see in the CCC...

[John Smith]

I've had a brilliant time this season, not football related, been to many different places, spent more time with the family and been a better person for it.

 

Ithink some people on here still miss the point though. Not going BECAUSE of Rupert Lowe does not mean that when he leaves I will return. It means that I have discovered other parts of life that I didn't really enjoy doing before but now spend more time doing them and planning them. And when Rupert leaves, all this means is that IF I decide to go to a Saints game again, I can. Rupert has destroyed this club for me, he changed it from what it was to what it now is. It brings the worst out of people in the area, it is a problem, not something to be proud of, he is the man that led us on this trail of destruction and changed it from a family 'club' into this 'failing' 'business'.

 

It's too hard to bear to turn up week in and week out in the knowledge that the man in charge is not the man to change things around. To keep ploughing money into this club and see it turn to dust and then have the manager turn round and criticise the fans for being stay aways. B*llocks! The man who ruined this club sits up there behind you! (sometimes). He is scum, he is the reason this club has died, he is the reason we are failing! Until he goes, we cannot heal, we cannot even begin to look to the future again, because whilst he is here, this is as good as it will ever be. And I don;t mean the league we are in but the temperament and the ill feeling in and around the club. And it's going to take a lot to heal those wounds.

 

Lowe is scum and he does not deserve my support. The business failure that he has created does not deserve my support. In fact, in Lowes market economy, this Business should already have gone under, it's only because it's football that it's been allowed to suffer for so long.

[Wes Tender]

  Frank said:

Fair enough' date=' but the point I was trying to make is that we and other CCC clubs charge what they do because they have players whose expectational remuneration wise are base don Prem fall out wage structure...yet the clubs dont ahve the TV revenue to support it... its unsustainable long term... I was not really trying to justify the price, but make the comparison. If the prem did not ahve the TV revenue to sustain those wages they would be charging £200 a ticket! - its that business model that is the cause of the inflated prices we see in the CCC...[/quote']

 

I don't disagree with what you have said here, but your original post did not imply that. It focussed on the entertainment aspects, not so much the cost. The point remains and it is not one that you have properly addressed. We are currently paying the same sort of money to watch this dross as we were when we were in the Premiership. Previously there was a price structure of gold, silver and bronze and the current pricing structure does not in any way reflect the fact that we are effectively in a league of tin, nickel and copper with players who are either mostly youngsters or past their prime, very few of them competant enough to play at a higher level.

 

It's all about supply and demand, nothing more or less. If we were in the Premiership, the club could command higher prices up to a level whereby a high enough percentage of the ground's capacity was filled for most matches. At this level, it is a complete nonsense to charge prices at a level that we did as a Premiership team and accordingly the club ought not to be surprised that the ground is half empty. Better to have the ground full at half the price than half empty at these prices. If the board cannot see this, then they can lay no claims to being astute businessmen, but there have been so many other examples over the past decade that I long ago realised that they did not know what they were doing.