Mr X Posted 22 March, 2009 Posted 22 March, 2009 Can't help thinking action should have been taken a lot earlier when it was clear for all to see that poorvliet nice as he was didn't have the required skills for this division. Why was the less qualified man appointed? I think If we'd made the swap earlier we'd have been in a much better position. I guess its all irrelevant now, we just have to hope we can turn it around. Thoughts?
alpine_saint Posted 22 March, 2009 Posted 22 March, 2009 The mistake was appointing him in the first place. But to answer your specific question, even if Wotte had been in place earlier, the damage was done, and the morale and motivation of the squad wrecked by too much emphasis on youth. So I dont think it would have made much difference. The decision to loan out Saga, Rasiak and John at the same time whilst ignoring the defence until too late will haunt this club for years to come...
Gingeletiss Posted 22 March, 2009 Posted 22 March, 2009 Can't help thinking action should have been taken a lot earlier when it was clear for all to see that poorvliet nice as he was didn't have the required skills for this division. Why was the less qualified man appointed? I think If we'd made the swap earlier we'd have been in a much better position. I guess its all irrelevant now, we just have to hope we can turn it around. Thoughts? I suggest you may direct this question to one Rupert Lowe ........oops!!..sorry, I forgot that we're not allowed to be 'Anti' on here anymore, it upsets the Mods!!.
Andy_Porter Posted 22 March, 2009 Posted 22 March, 2009 If we go down it will be a combination of things. Can't pin it all on JP, who knows how he would have done with Saga, Euell, Skacel or Size available for every game? I do think Wotte is a far better manager but it's very unfair to blame everything on JP he was fairly useless but I imagine if Wotte didn't have the senior players available we'd be in just as much trouble.
alpine_saint Posted 22 March, 2009 Posted 22 March, 2009 I agree that JP cannot be blamed alone for all this. Lowe and Wotte himself must take their share of the blame.
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 March, 2009 Posted 22 March, 2009 We shall know the answer to this question in six weeks' time, if not before.
Mr X Posted 22 March, 2009 Author Posted 22 March, 2009 The mistake was appointing him in the first place. But to answer your specific question, even if Wotte had been in place earlier, the damage was done, and the morale and motivation of the squad wrecked by too much emphasis on youth. So I dont think it would have made much difference. The decision to loan out Saga, Rasiak and John at the same time whilst ignoring the defence until too late will haunt this club for years to come... who sanctioned this false economy decision? or was it a case of loan them out or go into admin?
alpine_saint Posted 22 March, 2009 Posted 22 March, 2009 who sanctioned this false economy decision? or was it a case of loan them out or go into admin? I think we know where the blame for that lies, but this is going over very old ground again...
Andy_Porter Posted 22 March, 2009 Posted 22 March, 2009 who sanctioned this false economy decision? or was it a case of loan them out or go into admin? To lose all three was stupid, no matter how hard up we where at the time we where left to rely on McGoldrick and Lallana to score are goals which was never going to happen. All been covered before but there's no way one of those strikers earns more than the combined wages of Forecast, Pulis, Gasmi, Pekhart, Robertson, Smith etc. Having one of those from the start playing every game would probably be an extra 10 goals over the course of the season which would easily be the difference between 21st and 22nd.
Mr X Posted 22 March, 2009 Author Posted 22 March, 2009 I think we know where the blame for that lies, but this is going over very old ground again... I wonder wether as fans we will get the chance to ask Lowe these questions in person at the end of the season or will he have done a dissapearing act by then?
alpine_saint Posted 22 March, 2009 Posted 22 March, 2009 I wonder wether as fans we will get the chance to ask Lowe these questions in person at the end of the season or will he have done a dissapearing act by then? Not a chance. I predict another sham offer of resignation.
St Landrew Posted 22 March, 2009 Posted 22 March, 2009 I wonder wether as fans we will get the chance to ask Lowe these questions in person at the end of the season or will he have done a dissapearing act by then? Join Mr Wilde's Fans Parliament, and see if you can..? Somehow, I doubt it though. Not because the FP is possibly going to be a shambles, but because RL won't be there to ask.
Gingeletiss Posted 22 March, 2009 Posted 22 March, 2009 Not a chance. I predict another sham offer of resignation. I may be right in this, but will he be setting a new record...the first Chairman to preside over the same club on two seperate occasions, and relegating the club twice, to lower leagues.
ottery st mary Posted 22 March, 2009 Posted 22 March, 2009 I suggest you may direct this question to one Rupert Lowe ........oops!!..sorry, I forgot that we're not allowed to be 'Anti' on here anymore, it upsets the Mods!!. Only some of the mods.:smt049...The Rockers are worse...But in my opinion there are some mods who get too close to the club Directors and management.:)As in previous forums. Mind you Rupert certainly appears to have control of some on this forum..That is quite clear to me.:(We all know Rupert will always have his way and even after it was obvious by September that it was not going to work ( some even realised in pre season) Jp and Wotte should have either been given a push out the door or at least a proper football manager in charge of them. Preperation for the sandbanks of Bloomfield Road do not seem very Pro according to Wotte..No bother with all that we are the team..Arrogance. No doubt some posters will support Rupert and his form of madness no matter what happens.:smt049 Michael Wilde..You have made some very strange decisions.:smt017
ottery st mary Posted 22 March, 2009 Posted 22 March, 2009 Join Mr Wilde's Fans Parliament, and see if you can..? Somehow, I doubt it though. Not because the FP is possibly going to be a shambles, but because RL won't be there to ask. Mr Wilde will not be asking Rupert any diificult questions either...Obviously not able to stand up to him this season.:smt017
trousers Posted 22 March, 2009 Posted 22 March, 2009 Can't help thinking action should have been taken a lot earlier when it was clear for all to see that poorvliet nice as he was didn't have the required skills for this division. Why was the less qualified man appointed? I think If we'd made the swap earlier we'd have been in a much better position. I guess its all irrelevant now, we just have to hope we can turn it around. Thoughts? Lowe brought Wotte and Poortvliet in as a seamless management team, aka "The Dutch Duo" (source: saintsfc.co.uk), so the date at which Poortvliet relinquished the token job title of "Head Coach" is largely irrelevant IMHO of course
Mr X Posted 22 March, 2009 Author Posted 22 March, 2009 Lowe brought Wotte and Poortvliet in as a seamless management team, aka "The Dutch Duo" (source: saintsfc.co.uk), so the date at which Poortvliet relinquished the token job title of "Head Coach" is largely irrelevant IMHO of course this is probably true, in other words we were doomed from the beggining. Still think we should have stayed english
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 22 March, 2009 Posted 22 March, 2009 Join Mr Wilde's Fans Parliament, and see if you can..? Somehow, I doubt it though. Not because the FP is possibly going to be a shambles, but because RL won't be there to ask. I think our Fans Parliament should include a Saints equivalent of the 'Prime Minister's Questions' the real Parliament has - where we can ask any question we like to Rupert or Wilde and see how good they are at not answering them . I see this as a valuable use of everybody's time . In light of my record of distinguished service to the club I think my elevation to the House of Lords in the Fans Parliament is in order and I'd be grateful if you lot would now refer to me as Lord Charlie of Chapel - it's the very least I deserve .
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 22 March, 2009 Posted 22 March, 2009 The mistake was appointing him in the first place. But to answer your specific question, even if Wotte had been in place earlier, the damage was done, and the morale and motivation of the squad wrecked by too much emphasis on youth. So I dont think it would have made much difference. The decision to loan out Saga, Rasiak and John at the same time whilst ignoring the defence until too late will haunt this club for years to come... Yep..proven to be a absolutely ridiculous appointment one which we look like paying the ultimate price.....relegation
Thedelldays Posted 22 March, 2009 Posted 22 March, 2009 i was amazed that jan was appointed in the first place....then after the start I thought we were on to something....after the blackpool home game I started to wonder then it went downhill quickly for me...It was painfully obvious that he had no plan b and DMG was not a lone striker and lallana was more of a hinderance most of the time jan should have gone before xmas
ottery st mary Posted 22 March, 2009 Posted 22 March, 2009 (edited) I think our Fans Parliament should include a Saints equivalent of the 'Prime Minister's Questions' the real Parliament has - where we can ask any question we like to Rupert or Wilde and see how good they are at not answering them . I see this as a valuable use of everybody's time . In light of my record of distinguished service to the club I think my elevation to the House of Lords in the Fans Parliament is in order and I'd be grateful if you lot would now refer to me as Lord Charlie of Chapel - it's the very least I deserve . We will be observing your abodes and your various exps claims very closely. The male toilets and clapham common and the like are well covered by street view...So your activities as a Lord will be curtailed. Maybe there is not such an attraction to this position....As a Public School type. Lord Rupert would fall into the role with ease.:smt049 Edited 22 March, 2009 by ottery st mary
Mole Posted 22 March, 2009 Posted 22 March, 2009 i was amazed that jan was appointed in the first place....then after the start I thought we were on to something....after the blackpool home game I started to wonder then it went downhill quickly for me...It was painfully obvious that he had no plan b and DMG was not a lone striker and lallana was more of a hinderance most of the time jan should have gone before xmas Oh dear, the troll changes his tune again.
Thedelldays Posted 22 March, 2009 Posted 22 March, 2009 Oh dear, the troll changes his tune again. lol
SaintRobbie Posted 22 March, 2009 Posted 22 March, 2009 I agree that JP cannot be blamed alone for all this. Lowe and Wotte himself must take their share of the blame. Completely Lowe and Wotte's fault. Aferall they appointed JP in the first place. Lowe and Wotte are ENTIRELY to blame. JP was given a foolhardy club policy to adhere to - no surprises he failed.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 22 March, 2009 Posted 22 March, 2009 The easy answer to the original thread question is "yes". There are other factors at play perhaps, including policy issues like playing McGoldrick every game whatever his form.
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 23 March, 2009 Posted 23 March, 2009 We will be observing your abodes and your various exps claims very closely. The male toilets and clapham common and the like are well covered by street view...So your activities as a Lord will be curtailed. Maybe there is not such an attraction to this position....As a Public School type. Lord Rupert would fall into the role with ease.:smt049 'Public toilets'......'Chapham Common'......A man of myyyyy reputation !!!!!!!
eelpie Posted 23 March, 2009 Posted 23 March, 2009 Foolish to appoint JP. Foolish to have kept him. Lowe has terminally meddled with our future to satisfy his own schoolboy fantasy footie experiments. Lowe truly is the MD from hell.
ottery st mary Posted 23 March, 2009 Posted 23 March, 2009 'Public toilets'......'Chapham Common'......A man of myyyyy reputation !!!!!!! Sorry, I got you mixed up with some other Charlie at St Marys. Would never suggest you Or my mate Rupes would loiter at such venues. I have no proof of this though....Its what Lords do I am told... I am sure a visit by the Saints side to see Lourdes might help us with a minor miracle..
OldNick Posted 23 March, 2009 Posted 23 March, 2009 he was left for 4-5 games too long. A big mistake. As for him being appointed in the first place i dont know the full financial facts at the time and so its difficult to assess
Mole Posted 23 March, 2009 Posted 23 March, 2009 he was left for 4-5 games too long. A big mistake. As for him being appointed in the first place i dont know the full financial facts at the time and so its difficult to assess It's a red herring to buy Lowes tale about him and Wottes appointement being for financial reasons. Lowe had them both lined up before he came back. Pearson was a dead man walking from the minute Lowe and Wilde hatched their plan to return.
OldNick Posted 23 March, 2009 Posted 23 March, 2009 It's a red herring to buy Lowes tale about him and Wottes appointement being for financial reasons. Lowe had them both lined up before he came back. Pearson was a dead man walking from the minute Lowe and Wilde hatched their plan to return.That could well be the case but he also knew the financial situation facing him. If we could have afforded NP and if NP was prepared to loan and play the lpw budget team, then it was a major mistake getting rid of him. I still do not think NO is the great manager he is said to be on here. Co-incidently this time last season we had just lost 5-0 away to Hull.(a lot of unfortunate injuries had occured of course)
londonsaint1604 Posted 23 March, 2009 Posted 23 March, 2009 Depends if we get relegated or not. If we do then yes, JP not leaving earlier would have been part of it.
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