Lets B Avenue Posted 29 March, 2009 Share Posted 29 March, 2009 This weeks "Big Match Revisited" showed him playing for 'Boro with..... Hair!! Well some anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 29 March, 2009 Share Posted 29 March, 2009 You're right, I probably was unnecessarily agressive, and I apologise. I did not make any claim that that SMS was responsible for the club's demise, but I do believe we would have fared better if some of the Dell's characteristics had been replicated. You are also right in saying that getting a building such as SMS built is a complex procedure and no single architect will know at the outset everything that he will have to take into account; the important thing is that he must know what questions to ask, who to ask them of, and what he can do to interpret them to get the best building possible. Because buildings and Saints are 2 of my passions I feel strongly that SMS could have been so much better. I admit I do not know the respective dimensions but those at SMS seem to me to be vastly in excess of the figures you got from the FA/league, and seem much more than those at some other new grounds such as the Emirates. This is subjective and I would be intrigued to know the figures. It also seems there is an excessive distance between the front row and the hoardings - plenty of room, for instance for the Filth to chase miscreants unhindered and, even more fun, for the Southend fans to do their conga.Victor I wholeheartedly accept the apology and may I offer my own. Saints are a passion and we all can sometimes take that too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFM Posted 30 March, 2009 Share Posted 30 March, 2009 You're right, I probably was unnecessarily agressive, and I apologise. I did not make any claim that that SMS was responsible for the club's demise, but I do believe we would have fared better if some of the Dell's characteristics had been replicated. You are also right in saying that getting a building such as SMS built is a complex procedure and no single architect will know at the outset everything that he will have to take into account; the important thing is that he must know what questions to ask, who to ask them of, and what he can do to interpret them to get the best building possible. Because buildings and Saints are 2 of my passions I feel strongly that SMS could have been so much better. I admit I do not know the respective dimensions but those at SMS seem to me to be vastly in excess of the figures you got from the FA/league, and seem much more than those at some other new grounds such as the Emirates. This is subjective and I would be intrigued to know the figures. It also seems there is an excessive distance between the front row and the hoardings - plenty of room, for instance for the Filth to chase miscreants unhindered and, even more fun, for the Southend fans to do their conga. WHAT A BLOODY LET DOWN! You and NickH were having the most eloquent of arguments about the most trivial issue and I was thoroughly enjoying it but now you both make up and be nice to each other? Pah! Surely you can find more minor details to contiue with? It was better than any football/politics debate for ages - I didn't even know who to support as you slugged it out, toe to toe. Possibly my most enjoyed only slightly football related dispute of all time on here. I suppose an honourable draw was the best result. Penalties now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonah Posted 30 March, 2009 Share Posted 30 March, 2009 I made no point, but asked him to say what this law was as I was unaware of it. So, to answer your questions: a) I do not know why the stands are where they are b) I did not say the club ‘lied’ – they probably just fobbed him off as they did not know the answer as it was not they who designed the stadium. I'm sure the club looked into the details just a little bit before they bought the stadium kit off eBay. FA regulations are for 1.83m perimeter absolute minimum (but preferably 2m). However to get UEFA 4 star venue accreditation you need 6m on the sidelines and 7.5m behind the goals. [Wouldn't the extra 27m of perimeter this provides make it cheaper to build a 32,500 stadium since there is more lower-level seating?] The club hate fans who ask pertinent questions, they are an inconvenience. That's funny because they have nearly always been perfectly helpful when I've asked them questions - perhaps it's the way you ask :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 30 March, 2009 Share Posted 30 March, 2009 I'm sure the club looked into the details just a little bit before they bought the stadium kit off eBay. FA regulations are for 1.83m perimeter absolute minimum (but preferably 2m). However to get UEFA 4 star venue accreditation you need 6m on the sidelines and 7.5m behind the goals. [Wouldn't the extra 27m of perimeter this provides make it cheaper to build a 32,500 stadium since there is more lower-level seating?] That's funny because they have nearly always been perfectly helpful when I've asked them questions - perhaps it's the way you ask :-) Rupes is a love...For some:smt049 Sent you some crayons as well..Hope you got them.. jonah, Man the lifeboats time..soooo:)n Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 30 March, 2009 Share Posted 30 March, 2009 That's funny because they have nearly always been perfectly helpful when I've asked them questions - perhaps it's the way you ask :-) How do you know they were "perfect"? Against which set of criteria did you assess their service - FIFA's, UEFA's, the FA's, the Premier League's, the Football League's? And there is a difference between being helpful (PR) and giving you a thoroughly researched and accurate answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonah Posted 30 March, 2009 Share Posted 30 March, 2009 How do you know they were "perfect"? Against which set of criteria did you assess their service - FIFA's, UEFA's, the FA's, the Premier League's, the Football League's? And there is a difference between being helpful (PR) and giving you a thoroughly researched and accurate answer. Eh? When I have previously asked them a question (mostly in the last 15 years), they have generally answered that question to the best of their knowledge - what exactly do you expect, a guaranteed correct answer with professional indemnity insurance against which to claim if they were wrong? If you ask an accurate question, they will in my experience give you an accurate answer - the last question I asked which was "beyond the call of duty" related to something about Secure Retirement for which David Jones was good enough to delve into some old paperwork and get back to me with the answer. Talk about looking for a chance to criticise the club over nothing! Anyway Victor, you apparently knew nothing about any laws or regulations regarding pitch perimeters - I have just given you the answer. I expect that if you had asked someone at the club nicely they too would have told you the reasons - or are you disputing the UEFA regulations for 4 star venue accreditation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 30 March, 2009 Share Posted 30 March, 2009 WHAT A BLOODY LET DOWN! You and NickH were having the most eloquent of arguments about the most trivial issue and I was thoroughly enjoying it but now you both make up and be nice to each other? Pah! Surely you can find more minor details to contiue with? It was better than any football/politics debate for ages - I didn't even know who to support as you slugged it out, toe to toe. Possibly my most enjoyed only slightly football related dispute of all time on here. I suppose an honourable draw was the best result. Penalties now?It may have been trivial to you EFM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 30 March, 2009 Share Posted 30 March, 2009 Eh? When I have previously asked them a question (mostly in the last 15 years), they have generally answered that question to the best of their knowledge - what exactly do you expect, a guaranteed correct answer with professional indemnity insurance against which to claim if they were wrong? If you ask an accurate question, they will in my experience give you an accurate answer - the last question I asked which was "beyond the call of duty" related to something about Secure Retirement for which David Jones was good enough to delve into some old paperwork and get back to me with the answer. Talk about looking for a chance to criticise the club over nothing! Anyway Victor, you apparently knew nothing about any laws or regulations regarding pitch perimeters - I have just given you the answer. I expect that if you had asked someone at the club nicely they too would have told you the reasons - or are you disputing the UEFA regulations for 4 star venue accreditation? I did NOT criticise the club, but I was hoping you were going to be able to persuade me that the club were perfect. At least in one way. I admit to be cynical. I also believe in blind faith being a wonderful thing - I just wish I had it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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