The Observer's first paragraph....

[Legod Third Coming]

Only Southampton fans could argue over building regulations...

 

No wonder the board cannot focus on the first team.

[OldNick]

Only Southampton fans could argue over building regulations...

 

No wonder the board cannot focus on the first team.

You started it.

[ottery st mary]

You started it.

 

nick, I just hope you are clearing all your posts with Rupert.

I would hate to see you go without your easter egg again this year.:smt049

[OldNick]

nick, I just hope you are clearing all your posts with Rupert.

I would hate to see you go without your easter egg again this year.:smt049

I can see easter has come early for you as you now can put loads of different emotions up. LM or LC by chance, or were the hearts from a lady at the club?

[ottery st mary]

I can see easter has come early for you as you now can put loads of different emotions up. LM or LC by chance, or were the hearts from a lady at the club?

 

You noticed that I have only just learnt this partucular skill.:smt017 I now need to learn what each picture means and I can really go to town..I will be sending you an easter egg to be on the safe side.

 

Both Lawrie and Leon are no doubt good people..but not my cup of tea.

Now Mary Corbett:smt049 is the person I would put in charge of this football club.:smt049

Obviously I would be second in charge.:cool:...Happy Easter nick.:---).keep up the good work..Suggest you become a Saints supporter:smt049 when Rupert departs

[Mole]

Happy Easter nick.:---).

 

lol.

[OldNick]

Suggest you become a Saints supporter when Rupert departs

Its OK OSM you keep with the cheap comments. It was fans like you who allowed the Wilde bunch in the first place, who instead of moving the club on have put us in a worse position than when they arrived. You may think you have the moral high ground but you aint

And if you really believe that MC is the one to run the club then you are a REALLY bad judge.

[ottery st mary]

Its OK OSM you keep with the cheap comments. It was fans like you who allowed the Wilde bunch in the first place, who instead of moving the club on have put us in a worse position than when they arrived. You may think you have the moral high ground but you aint

And if you really believe that MC is the one to run the club then you are a REALLY bad judge.

 

Your not worth it mate.

[ottery st mary]

Its OK OSM you keep with the cheap comments. It was fans like you who allowed the Wilde bunch in the first place, who instead of moving the club on have put us in a worse position than when they arrived. You may think you have the moral high ground but you aint

And if you really believe that MC is the one to run the club then you are a REALLY bad judge.

 

nicky baby..You are worth one more effort.

Don't take everything to heart.:smt017..Just look at what Rupert has done to you.:smt049

Mary would not want to be chairman..You know that from previous posts, it was a joke Read again , ottery second in charge..Well we would win some games at least.:cool:

As for Wildey he is Rupes boy so that is your problem matey.:mad:

In future you ignore me and I will ignore you:cool: Your acting like a baby and to be honest I can't cope with YOUR AMATEUR DRAMATICS.

THEREFORE YOUR ALSO OFF MY XMAS LIST.

 

IGNORE BUTTON MATE..MOST OF THE LUVVIES WHO CAN'T COPE HAVE.:smt049

[Frank's cousin]

nicky baby..You are worth one more effort.

Don't take everything to heart.:smt017..Just look at what Rupert has done to you.:smt049

Mary would not want to be chairman..You know that from previous posts, it was a joke Read again , ottery second in charge..Well we would win some games at least.:cool:

As for Wildey he is Rupes boy so that is your problem matey.:mad:

In future you ignore me and I will ignore you:cool: Your acting like a baby and to be honest I can't cope with YOUR AMATEUR DRAMATICS.

THEREFORE YOUR ALSO OFF MY XMAS LIST.

 

IGNORE BUTTON MATE..MOST OF THE LUVVIES WHO CAN'T COPE HAVE.:smt049

 

Ignore Buttons?...Pah, they're for girls!

[OldNick]

nicky baby..You are worth one more effort.

Don't take everything to heart.:smt017..Just look at what Rupert has done to you.:smt049

Mary would not want to be chairman..You know that from previous posts, it was a joke Read again , ottery second in charge..Well we would win some games at least.:cool:

As for Wildey he is Rupes boy so that is your problem matey.:mad:

In future you ignore me and I will ignore you:cool: Your acting like a baby and to be honest I can't cope with YOUR AMATEUR DRAMATICS.

THEREFORE YOUR ALSO OFF MY XMAS LIST.

 

IGNORE BUTTON MATE..MOST OF THE LUVVIES WHO CAN'T COPE HAVE.:smt049

I dont bother with the ignore button as I might miss something intelligent or constructive one day.

Wilde would not be here if it wasn't for jokers like you who fell for his talk hook line and sinker.By now a proper alternative would have arrived and RL would have been ousted and our finances may well not have pushed us to this.All opinion of course but the fact is that the day the fans who wanted 'anyone but Lowe' have brought the situation upon us and so we have him back. Yes I accept his financial judgement but that is because i had no faith in the lot that replaced him last time.

ps. ity is the very anti Lowes who have to resort to the ignore button as they dont like the truth.

[Sheff Saint]

I dont bother with the ignore button as I might miss something intelligent or constructive one day.

Wilde would not be here if it wasn't for jokers like you who fell for his talk hook line and sinker.By now a proper alternative would have arrived and RL would have been ousted and our finances may well not have pushed us to this.All opinion of course but the fact is that the day the fans who wanted 'anyone but Lowe' have brought the situation upon us and so we have him back. Yes I accept his financial judgement but that is because i had no faith in the lot that replaced him last time.

 

Hypothetical nonsense i'm afraid.

[OldNick]

Hypothetical nonsense i'm afraid.

As I put all in my opinion of course

[jonah]

nicky baby..You are worth one more effort.

Don't take everything to heart.:smt017..Just look at what Rupert has done to you.:smt049

Mary would not want to be chairman..You know that from previous posts, it was a joke Read again , ottery second in charge..Well we would win some games at least.:cool:

As for Wildey he is Rupes boy so that is your problem matey.:mad:

In future you ignore me and I will ignore you:cool: Your acting like a baby and to be honest I can't cope with YOUR AMATEUR DRAMATICS.

THEREFORE YOUR ALSO OFF MY XMAS LIST.

 

IGNORE BUTTON MATE..MOST OF THE LUVVIES WHO CAN'T COPE HAVE.:smt049

 

Never mind ignore buttons, HTF do you stop people drawing with crayons as a form of reply instead of writing words?

 

It's very simple in terms of who runs SLH PLC - you either get a businessman like Lowe who runs it as a business, or you get populist "businessmen" like the Chairman Formerly Known As Wilde et al who run it like a dogs dinner. The former will always be disliked by the hoi polloi but the alternative will bankrupt the club. It's all about making difficult decisions which are in the long term interest and most fans don't like that - it's a bit like Labour and the Tories, Labour spin with populist propaganda and practically bankrupt the country until the point where there's no choice but to bring back in the Tories. The proletariat tolerate them whilst they fix the economy and things are good, but at the first signs of a problem they want the populist Labour back in because they find them easier to relate to and also prefer the short-termism. Well that's my theory anyway :-)

[alehouseboys]

Never mind ignore buttons, HTF do you stop people drawing with crayons as a form of reply instead of writing words?

 

It's very simple in terms of who runs SLH PLC - you either get a businessman like Lowe who runs it as a business, or you get populist "businessmen" like the Chairman Formerly Known As Wilde et al who run it like a dogs dinner. The former will always be disliked by the hoi polloi but the alternative will bankrupt the club. It's all about making difficult decisions which are in the long term interest and most fans don't like that - it's a bit like Labour and the Tories, Labour spin with populist propaganda and practically bankrupt the country until the point where there's no choice but to bring back in the Tories. The proletariat tolerate them whilst they fix the economy and things are good, but at the first signs of a problem they want the populist Labour back in because they find them easier to relate to and also prefer the short-termism. Well that's my theory anyway :-)

 

But "businessman like Lowe" is now in business with "dogs dinner" Wilde, what does that say about him? And you gotta admit some of Lowe's fanciful, revolutionary ideas have been disastrous...what a businessman!

 

Now where are my crayons...:smt023

[Victor]

Well being a dimbo I would have realised that the farm track was existing and not a new build and so the rules put down would be different and so may have won the day.If I was designing a new build and didnt follow the league regulations or the planning departments wishes i may not get a game of football played, foolish of me but there you go.

 

I said I had concluded my correspondence with you but you are so stupid that I shall rescind that decision to explain.

 

Despite admitting you don’t know what you’re talking about you continue to talk yourself into a deeper and deeper hole (I advise a minimum depth of 2.25 metres, but there is no law, so feel free to go deeper).

 

You have told me I should go by what is advised by those you call ‘the planners’ (though it is not actually their responsibility, as I have already explained), but above you are now telling me I should have ignored them. However, I accepted their interpretation that, although the track was existing, the new building was ‘new build’ and therefore its access had to be to current standards. (I won’t reprise the fire officer/Building Control - performance standards/prescriptive standards bit as it is clearly beyond your comprehension.

 

As your ability to take in simple information is so limited, I advise, despite your obvious interest and the time you spend on here suggests unemployment, against embarking on the minimum 5 years full-time at university followed by 2 years in an office that is the requirement to qualify as an architect.

[jonah]

But "businessman like Lowe" is now in business with "dogs dinner" Wilde, what does that say about him?

 

It says nothing about Lowe since his stance has been consistent - it says quite a lot about Wilde who clearly didn't have a clear plan or even a medium-term vision.

 

And you gotta admit some of Lowe's fanciful, revolutionary ideas have been disastrous...what a businessman!

 

Shock horror, businessman with less than 100% record! I can only assume most people on here have such trivial burger-flipping employment that they cannot possibly do anything wrong (apart from burn the burgers I guess). As Wilde found out, it's incredibly easy to pick holes left right and centre, it's actually a little bit more complex when you're the ones having to makes those decisions and shoulder the responsibility - just ask Godwin, the Saints Trust and the Ted Bates Trust.

[Channon's Sideburns]

It says nothing about Lowe since his stance has been consistent - it says quite a lot about Wilde who clearly didn't have a clear plan or even a medium-term vision.

 

 

 

Shock horror, businessman with less than 100% record! I can only assume most people on here have such trivial burger-flipping employment that they cannot possibly do anything wrong (apart from burn the burgers I guess). As Wilde found out, it's incredibly easy to pick holes left right and centre, it's actually a little bit more complex when you're the ones having to makes those decisions and shoulder the responsibility - just ask Godwin, the Saints Trust and the Ted Bates Trust.

 

I think the relevance though Jonah, is that it's not the fact that he has made mistakes...

 

Only that he keeps on making the same ones....

 

Now that is foolish..shame no-one seems to tell him. What he needs is someone he trusts getting in his ear and giving some guidance every now and again.

 

For example, back in Nov 07 he set himself up by saying 'He had no intention of ever returning'..only to do so 18mths later.

 

No doubt there is an excuse for everything (just wait for the posts to appear in 10mins) but you have to admit sometimes Rupey can be his own worst enemy.

 

Apart from Wilde, who is everyone's enemy!!

[Frank's cousin]

I think the relevance though Jonah, is that it's not the fact that he has made mistakes...

 

Only that he keeps on making the same ones....

 

Now that is foolish..shame no-one seems to tell him. What he needs is someone he trusts getting in his ear and giving some guidance every now and again.

 

For example, back in Nov 07 he set himself up by saying 'He had no intention of ever returning'..only to do so 18mths later.

 

No doubt there is an excuse for everything (just wait for the posts to appear in 10mins) but you have to admit sometimes Rupey can be his own worst enemy.

 

Apart from Wilde, who is everyone's enemy!!

 

Think thats very true and its a constant issue for those like me you have advocated SOME of his ideas because they inevitably ALL get tarnished with the same brush because of the failures and his inability to learn from mistakes.

[Channon's Sideburns]

Think thats very true and its a constant issue for those like me you have advocated SOME of his ideas because they inevitably ALL get tarnished with the same brush because of the failures and his inability to learn from mistakes.

 

Exactly Frank, just a little example, but in the same Radio Solent interview in 07 he ranted about how he built the academy, the successful radio station, catering and financial services arm...

 

Now, as the Fin Services and Radio Station were loss makers, he would have been better advised not to mention them, but he couldn't help himself. If he would have concentrated on the positives, then he wouldn't come across so badly at times.

 

Not to forget that he missed the point completely - we all weren't fed up with the catering, it was relegation and the subsequent mismanagement of the parachute payments that made people (Mike Wilde included, lest we forget) want him gone.

[Professor]

Agree. The board of SFC showed a shocking level of ambition after the FA Cup final and 8th-placed finish. They decided to do nothing through a combination of not wanting to leave their comfort zone and not wanting their power-base diluted by inward investment.

 

The club is paying a heavy price for that summer of lunacy..

 

As always, selective memory to justify the obsessive anti-board attitude. The summer of 2003, after the 1-0 defeat in the cup final ended on 31st Aug with Saints beating Man U 1-0. The side had Beattie and Phillips as the strike force, Claus and Killer as the centre backs and was a perfectly capable premiership team. The only lunacy is with those who try to re-write the facts to make unjustified accusations. True Le Saux was playing in place of Bridge but WB has made his decision to move to the new chelski set up, regardless of what Saints could have done, but his replacement was as good as you could get.

[Channon's Sideburns]

As always, selective memory to justify the obsessive anti-board attitude. The summer of 2003, after the 1-0 defeat in the cup final ended on 31st Aug with Saints beating Man U 1-0. The side had Beattie and Phillips as the strike force, Claus and Killer as the centre backs and was a perfectly capable premiership team. The only lunacy is with those who try to re-write the facts to make unjustified accusations. True Le Saux was playing in place of Bridge but WB has made his decision to move to the new chelski set up, regardless of what Saints could have done, but his replacement was as good as you could get.

 

Yes Prof, a 'perfectly capable' Prem side that would be depleted by departures over the next 18 months.

 

What was needed was investment into improving the squad further, and we could then have cemented our position as a Top 6 side.

 

However, that didn't happen and we are where we are now.

 

Nothing like glazing over the truth...

[EFM]

Only Southampton fans could argue over building regulations...

 

No wonder the board cannot focus on the first team.

 

Sadder still is that I'm quite enjoying their argument! (Even though I have no idea what it is about.)

 

Ps I want crayons too. Lend me yer crayons Ottery?

[Frank's cousin]

Yes Prof, a 'perfectly capable' Prem side that would be depleted by departures over the next 18 months.

 

What was needed was investment into improving the squad further, and we could then have cemented our position as a Top 6 side.

 

However, that didn't happen and we are where we are now.

 

Nothing like glazing over the truth...

 

Thats a bit naughty sideburns ;-), because we did not really have the sort of cash necessary to byuy say two 6-10 mil players + their inevitable wage demands ... Sure it would have been the best and logical thing to do, but we could not afford it whilst managing the club within its means - whether you believe it wouuld have been worth the risk, given the potential improved revenues that a top 6 finish may have brought is another matter, and really depends on your own opinion of the risk - and thats not actuially, finally a pro lowe or anti lowe satnce, just a personal opinion.;-)

[Channon's Sideburns]

Thats a bit naughty sideburns ;-)' date=' because we did not really have the sort of cash necessary to byuy say two 6-10 mil players + their inevitable wage demands ... Sure it would have been the best and logical thing to do, but we could not afford it whilst managing the club within its means - whether you believe it wouuld have been worth the risk, given the potential improved revenues that a top 6 finish may have brought is another matter, and really depends on your own opinion of the risk - and thats not actuially, finally a pro lowe or anti lowe satnce, just a personal opinion.;-)[/quote']

 

Appreciated Frank, but I'm not talking about Lowe personally investing - just actively looking for investment following the Cup Final....a public declaration along the lines of this would have sent out the right signals.

 

It comes back to the same thing though doesn't it - Lowe's failure to attract investment off the back of the Cup Final and League Position under WGS cost us big time.

 

If Lowe was honest with himself (ha that would be a funny experience to watch) he should realise THAT was his biggest mistake.

 

Since WGS left we have slid down the leagues like a Nun on a slide having seen her favourite Monk with a stiffy...

[jonah]

Appreciated Frank, but I'm not talking about Lowe personally investing - just actively looking for investment following the Cup Final....a public declaration along the lines of this would have sent out the right signals.

 

It comes back to the same thing though doesn't it - Lowe's failure to attract investment off the back of the Cup Final and League Position under WGS cost us big time.

 

I don't supopse at any time in the last 4 years of continually stating this you have ever actually suggested what this "investment" might be? As we've clearly seen, all the local gob****es like Wilde, Crouch and Trant suddenly become as tight as a gnat's chuff when it comes to the physical act of putting their money where their mouth is - FFS they wouldn't even put a penny into the club when they were chairmen!

 

The "investment" myth is propagated by about 5 fans as it's an easy thing to say without the slightest clue of what the words actually mean. Investment basically comes in 2 forms - debt and equity. Are you saying Lowe didn't try hard enough to get us into more debt, or that nobody wanted more equity because he didn't look... despite Wilde, Seymour Pierce and everyone else failing to find it either? Good grief.

[OldNick]

I said I had concluded my correspondence with you but you are so stupid that I shall rescind that decision to explain.

 

Despite admitting you don’t know what you’re talking about you continue to talk yourself into a deeper and deeper hole (I advise a minimum depth of 2.25 metres, but there is no law, so feel free to go deeper).

 

You have told me I should go by what is advised by those you call ‘the planners’ (though it is not actually their responsibility, as I have already explained), but above you are now telling me I should have ignored them. However, I accepted their interpretation that, although the track was existing, the new building was ‘new build’ and therefore its access had to be to current standards. (I won’t reprise the fire officer/Building Control - performance standards/prescriptive standards bit as it is clearly beyond your comprehension.

 

As your ability to take in simple information is so limited, I advise, despite your obvious interest and the time you spend on here suggests unemployment, against embarking on the minimum 5 years full-time at university followed by 2 years in an office that is the requirement to qualify as an architect.

Wow, can we touch you?

The 'Laws of football' dictate that if you don't adhere to them you pay the consequences. Perhaps my wording 'law' was too complicated or I didn't word it so you could understand. Mr Plod doesn't come and arrest you if you don't comply with the leagues rules. They can stop you entering their competition and whilst unlikely it would be stupid to risk and what is the point anyway? If you don't take notice of the planning guidelines( you may dress it up as building control or any other agency you wish, but the fundamentals are that if you don't comply you don't get the permission.) you will have a fight. I myself at present have had to appoint a barrister regarding a dispute with the council regarding prescriptive rights that has gone to the land registry for arbitration, and so incur costs. They can get very costly of course.

The case is that the club built the stadium on the information given to them that would make it proceed at its speeediest as well as taking into account the safety issues. Tell us why the club lied or why else they would put such a gap between the pitch and fans?

Unemployed Lol

[Channon's Sideburns]

I don't supopse at any time in the last 4 years of continually stating this you have ever actually suggested what this "investment" might be? As we've clearly seen, all the local gob****es like Wilde, Crouch and Trant suddenly become as tight as a gnat's chuff when it comes to the physical act of putting their money where their mouth is - FFS they wouldn't even put a penny into the club when they were chairmen!

 

The "investment" myth is propagated by about 5 fans as it's an easy thing to say without the slightest clue of what the words actually mean. Investment basically comes in 2 forms - debt and equity. Are you saying Lowe didn't try hard enough to get us into more debt, or that nobody wanted more equity because he didn't look... despite Wilde, Seymour Pierce and everyone else failing to find it either? Good grief.

 

Christ, you've been tracking me for 4 years then Jonah? Good grief..

 

Hmm..let's see - now couldn't Lowe have instigated a Rights Issue following the Cup and Europe 'success'?

 

How about his friend Tom Scott? Or Lord Marland and his connections?

 

I'm not going to argue about Trant - so you have evidence that Crouch didn't put any money in last season then to bring in Wright, Lucketti, Perry etc?

As for Wilde, well no argument there.

 

I wonder why Seymour Pierce couldn't find a buyer???? Perhaps dealing with a fragmented ownership base of three was a problem?

 

Or is the truth that Rupey likes playing with the train set too much to let go?

[um pahars]

just ask Godwin, the Saints Trust and the Ted Bates Trust.

 

You never fail to deliver LOL. As usual you waddle on here and get it wrong again LMFAO.

 

What next, posts about Lowe raising 25million or was it 8 million from the mortgage and the remortgage??? Poortvliet should be kept on and our poor performance was not down to him???

 

BTW, loved you earlier post slagging off Wilde who is now Lowe's right hand man and the suggestion that Lowe runs the Club as a business.

 

Just not sure what business would be happy with a CEO overseeing something like a 70% drop in income, a substantial fall in share price, falling footfall through the door, a PR disaster and failed appoitnments & strategies that have pushed this Club to the brink.

 

Sounds like he could get a job at AIG, Giltnir and Landsbanki.

[jonah]

Christ' date=' you've been tracking me for 4 years then Jonah? Good grief..[/quote']

 

I've had that droning noise in my ears for about that long so I just assumed 2+2=4. Obviously I was right.

 

Hmm..let's see - now couldn't Lowe have instigated a Rights Issue following the Cup and Europe 'success'?

 

Hmm..let's see - market cap was less than £9m, just how much do you think a Rights Issue would have raised? And how do you think a Rights Issue would have been viewed by existing shareholders - do you think they would have been happy to be say 33% diluted in order to raise less than £4m? Do you realise that Rights Issues have to be underwritten - who exactly would have underwritten it bearing in mind the gob****es like Trant, Crouch and Wilde never put a penny in at the previous Rights Issue? Any real ideas? No? OK, moving on then...

 

And even if they had done that, are you telling me - hang on, I'm laughing too much to type now - are you telling me that an extra £4m would have pushed us on to a guaranteed Champions League place? Would we have had *two* Rory Delaps in midfield that season?

 

How about his friend Tom Scott? Or Lord Marland and his connections?

 

Since Lord Marland was one of those who underwrote the previous Open Offer (note, not a Rights Issue as they are too expensive), I'm sure Lowe had already considered that route - it's not like Wilde pressed the magic "Get Me Investment" button and found a single penny even after removing Lowe who was "blocking investment".

 

so you have evidence that Crouch didn't put any money in last season then to bring in Wright, Lucketti, Perry etc?

 

Yes, it's called the Company Accounts.

 

As for Wilde, well no argument there.

 

Super, shame you didn't bother to check him out before he shafted our club out of over £1m then eh? Although I do accept the main blame there lies with the Saints Trust who were too busy biting pillows to look at Companies House.

 

I wonder why Seymour Pierce couldn't find a buyer???? Perhaps dealing with a fragmented ownership base of three was a problem?

 

You clearly have no idea how M&A works in the City - it wouldn't have mattered at all if someone was truly interested, eg. SISU.

 

Or is the truth that Rupey likes playing with the train set too much to let go?

 

Well I don't think that's true - he let others play with it for 2 years... when he noticed it was all dented and damaged he decided to take it back before they completely broke it.

[Channon's Sideburns]

I've had that droning noise in my ears for about that long so I just assumed 2+2=4. Obviously I was right.

 

 

 

Hmm..let's see - market cap was less than £9m, just how much do you think a Rights Issue would have raised? And how do you think a Rights Issue would have been viewed by existing shareholders - do you think they would have been happy to be say 33% diluted in order to raise less than £4m? Do you realise that Rights Issues have to be underwritten - who exactly would have underwritten it bearing in mind the gob****es like Trant, Crouch and Wilde never put a penny in at the previous Rights Issue? Any real ideas? No? OK, moving on then...

 

And even if they had done that, are you telling me - hang on, I'm laughing too much to type now - are you telling me that an extra £4m would have pushed us on to a guaranteed Champions League place? Would we have had *two* Rory Delaps in midfield that season?

 

 

 

Since Lord Marland was one of those who underwrote the previous Open Offer (note, not a Rights Issue as they are too expensive), I'm sure Lowe had already considered that route - it's not like Wilde pressed the magic "Get Me Investment" button and found a single penny even after removing Lowe who was "blocking investment".

 

 

 

Yes, it's called the Company Accounts.

 

 

 

Super, shame you didn't bother to check him out before he shafted our club out of over £1m then eh? Although I do accept the main blame there lies with the Saints Trust who were too busy biting pillows to look at Companies House.

 

 

 

You clearly have no idea how M&A works in the City - it wouldn't have mattered at all if someone was truly interested, eg. SISU.

 

 

 

Well I don't think that's true - he let others play with it for 2 years... when he noticed it was all dented and damaged he decided to take it back before they completely broke it.

 

Jonah, if you actually read my previous post regarding Lowe instead of pressing the 'pressure release' button as above, you asked me what Lowe could have done off the back of the Cup Final and Europe.

 

I gave you examples - never said how much he could have raised, for that I bow to your obvious superior knowledge BTW, so it does confirm my thoughts that Lowe has no intention of seeking any alternative funding for the club - unless of course we hit admin and he makes his phone calls to 'secure his investment' (or train set, take your pick).

 

Ah yes, Lowe did sign Delap didn't he....what a fine investment.

 

This mythical £4m you're on about - seeing as Rupey decided he could risk over £3.2M on Delgado and Chala, and then write it off - well I suppose there's no guarantee with any additional funds that Lowe would have approved the right signings anyway..such an astute businessman.

 

Where was I responsible for Wilde and due diligence on him? In fact Jonah, if you look back at the articles still available online today at that time, Lowe was sending out warning signals regarding Wilde, as was Guided Missile on here.

 

As for Wilde shafting the club for over £1M - who paid for Rupey's PR campaign during the first AGM then? Out of his own pocket? As for Seymour Pierce when did Lowe instruct them to look for investment? Did I miss something?

 

As for Crouch, well seeing as we are (at this stage with no other evidence otherwise) no better off than when he was in charge - financially and on the pitch - do Lowe and Cowen's wages justify their positions?

Especially as Crouch wasn't drawing a salary.

 

 

As for Rupey's train set now, it's off the track awaiting engineering works.

[OldNick]

Ah yes' date=' Lowe did sign Delap didn't he....what a fine investment.

That is a bit unfair, I assume that Gray asked the club to sign him, and of course that the prices were inflated at the time.

[Channon's Sideburns]

Ah yes' date=' Lowe did sign Delap didn't he....what a fine investment.

That is a bit unfair, I assume that Gray asked the club to sign him, and of course that the prices were inflated at the time.

 

I don't think that it's unfair Nick - for every good player like Niemi and Crouch that were signed (by Rupert) - we had players like Delap, Delgado, McCann, etc signed to expensive contracts following big transfer fees only to be let go for next to nothing...

 

It's not my fault Rupert decided to pay that amount for Delap - yeah he's doing ok now at Stoke but he looks 10 times fitter than he did with us.

 

Obviously it's been documented on here that Gray wanted Diego Forlan, not Delgado - hindsight's wonderful - but did you see the story this week about Forlan being chased for a fee of around £25M now??

 

Add him to the 'what could have been' list - hey ho.

[jonah]

it does confirm my thoughts that Lowe has no intention of seeking any alternative funding for the club

 

No, what it confirms is that running a business with £50m turnover is not quite as simple as clicking buttons on Championship Manager III and saying "hmmm, this week let's have a Rights Issue!" in an attempt to break into the Champions League. Do you remember how Leeds tried to buy their way into that?

 

In fact Jonah, if you look back at the articles still available online today at that time, Lowe was sending out warning signals regarding Wilde, as was Guided Missile on here.

 

Actually it was on S4E, and myself and GM both got the abuse for anti-Wilde posts at the time... the rabid herd were somewhat more blinkered to that though.

 

As for Seymour Pierce when did Lowe instruct them to look for investment? Did I miss something?

 

Yes you did, as Lowe had explained many times he was always looking for investment and Wilde was knocking on doors he'd already knocked on - hence why nothing was found. We have always had a house broker (obviously) and they would always be on the ball enough to match investors with companies - it's how they make their money after all.

 

As for Crouch, well seeing as we are (at this stage with no other evidence otherwise) no better off than when he was in charge - financially and on the pitch - do Lowe and Cowen's wages justify their positions?

Especially as Crouch wasn't drawing a salary.

 

Do you really still not understand the difference? Who was CEO when Crouch was unpaid chairman? And how much was he being paid? Look at the execs wage bill, not Crouch's.

 

As for Rupey's train set now, it's off the track awaiting engineering works.

 

Absolutely, thank God someone had the sense to fix it before it was too late.

[Victor]

 

Wow, can we touch you?

 

 

NO THANKS!

 

 

The case is that the club built the stadium on the information given to them that would make it proceed at its speeediest as well as taking into account the safety issues.

 

 

YOU CLEARLY HAVE ALL THE FACTS BEFORE YOU SO I WILL BOW TO YOUR SUPERIOR KNOWLEDGE.

 

 

Tell us why the club lied or why else they would put such a gap between the pitch and fans?

 

IF I DID, WOULD YOU BELIEVE ME?

 

 

 

Keep digging, it's fun watching you.

 

Good luck with your spat with the local authority - you will need it because, as you yourself said, they know the law!

[OldNick]

Keep digging, it's fun watching you.

 

Good luck with your spat with the local authority - you will need it because, as you yourself said, they know the law!

If you knew the circumstances you would be confident. They do know the law but so does my barrister who is an specialist on these things.There again i suppose he didn't go to uni for 5 years and work in an office for 2 lol.

[Victor]

If you knew the circumstances you would be confident. They do know the law but so does my barrister who is an specialist on these things.There again i suppose he didn't go to uni for 5 years and work in an office for 2 lol.

 

Oh dear, are you sure he's a proper barrister and not just some pettifogging legal clerk?

[ottery st mary]

Sadder still is that I'm quite enjoying their argument! (Even though I have no idea what it is about.)

 

Ps I want crayons too. Lend me yer crayons Ottery?

 

I have got a spare pair of crayons from McDonalds..There on the way to you as we speak.

 

Rupert, No Longer Director of Football, gave me back the crayons I loaned to him for his team talks prior to games.:cool:

[CB Fry]

Keep digging, it's fun watching you.

 

Good luck with your spat with the local authority - you will need it because, as you yourself said, they know the law!

 

 

Not sure why you are the one laughing - its you that look foolish.

 

I'm still trying to work out why you think it is wrong to believe the clubs explanation of why stands are x distance away from the pitch.

 

What is your explanation of

 

a) why the stands are where they are

 

b) why the club would lie in explaining why they are where they are?

 

 

Because all you have done is snipe at nickh with childish nitpicking about what is a law or a regulation blah blah when you know damn well what he's getting at all along.

 

You just read like a conspiracy theorist ranting that everyone is lying because they must be evil or something and I said so because I am an architect or met one in a pub once or something.

 

So do answer those two questions so we know exactly what point you are trying to make.

 

 

[OldNick]

Oh dear, are you sure he's a proper barrister and not just some pettifogging legal clerk?

I will refrain from asking if the same could be said about you.

[ottery st mary]

Not sure why you are the one laughing - its you that look foolish.

 

I'm still trying to work out why you think it is wrong to believe the clubs explanation of why stands are x distance away from the pitch.

 

What is your explanation of

 

a) why the stands are where they are

 

b) why the club would lie in explaining why they are where they are?

 

 

Because all you have done is snipe at nickh with childish nitpicking about what is a law or a regulation blah blah when you know damn well what he's getting at all along.

 

You just read like a conspiracy theorist ranting that everyone is lying because they must be evil or something and I said so because I am an architect or met one in a pub once or something.

 

So do answer those two questions so we know exactly what point you are trying to make.

 

 

 

 

Mind you to be fair to nick, he might not be an architect but he sure put some wonderful air fix kits together when he was a nipper.:smt049

[OldNick]

Mind you to be fair to nick, he might not be an architect but he sure put some wonderful air fix kits together when he was a nipper.:smt049

 

Yep there was glue everywhere, now the Tamiya models were better

[ottery st mary]

Yep there was glue everywhere, now the Tamiya models were better

 

As a person with such good knowlege and able to follow a good plan...I haven't read your post in response to my airfix post as you are temporarily on ignore until you come to your senses and listen to me and victor about football and planning.

Edited 28 March, 2009 by ottery st mary
spelling as usual

[OldNick]

As a person with such good knowlege and able to follow a good plan...I haven't read your post in response to my airfix post as you are temporarily on ignore until you come to your senses and listen to me and victor about football and planning.

You better keep me on ignore so you can live in that lovely fluffy world you do.I will also say i progressed from Airfix models to other types of models in my single days.

[Victor]

Not sure why you are the one laughing - its you that look foolish.

 

I'm still trying to work out why you think it is wrong to believe the clubs explanation of why stands are x distance away from the pitch.

 

What is your explanation of

 

a) why the stands are where they are

 

b) why the club would lie in explaining why they are where they are?

 

 

Because all you have done is snipe at nickh with childish nitpicking about what is a law or a regulation blah blah when you know damn well what he's getting at all along.

 

You just read like a conspiracy theorist ranting that everyone is lying because they must be evil or something and I said so because I am an architect or met one in a pub once or something.

 

So do answer those two questions so we know exactly what point you are trying to make.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Since you ask, I will attempt to summarise.

 

I do not offer opinions about the financial position of the club as I do not know any facts regarding the position, do not have the time to study the accounts and am, in any case, sceptical about whether they tell the truth.

I do not offer opinions about takeovers as I have never been privy to any of the facts regarding the goings-on of any of the consortiums.

I do not offer opinions about administration as I have no knowledge of, nor particular interest in, the legal position or responsibilities of plcs, or whoever.

I do offer opinions about football. It is, as they say, a game of opinions. I do actually know a little about football e.g. I know the offside rule and I know Phil Boyer was a fantastic striker and that David Armstrong was an equally good left-sided midfielder. I feel this knowledge gives my opinions some credence.

 

What I do know quite a bit about is getting buildings built, having qualified as an architect nearly 40 years ago.

(‘architect’ is a legally protected term that can only be claimed by those having successfully completed a 3-part qualification that takes at least 7 years – I state this not as a boast, but as support for any claim I may have made to know more about it than Nickh and my opinions of how SMS could have been better).

 

Nickh claimed there was a law saying there had to be room for ambulances to pass between the bye-line and the hoardings. I made no point, but asked him to say what this law was as I was unaware of it. He has singularly failed to do so but has gone on and on and on trying to justify his statement by chiefly relying on his blind faith that the club said so, so it is so.

 

If I were to make a point in support of the original contention of the thread, it is that I agree. I think SMS is less intimidating than the Dell and I believe an opportunity was lost. I believe the ground should have had a more enclosed feeling with a steeper rake and the supporters nearer the pitch. I believe the external appearance should have been more distinctive and that it should have included some feature that made it immediately identifiable as the stadium of Southampton Football club. I believe this could have been done within the budget and compliance with the Building Regulations and any other legislation that applied.

 

So, to answer your questions: a) I do not know why the stands are where they are b) I did not say the club ‘lied’ – they probably just fobbed him off as they did not know the answer as it was not they who designed the stadium. I made no mention of a conspiracy, but it is not unusual to be accused on this forum of making statements or claims that were not made.

 

I have no more to say on the subject and apologise to those who feel I have laboured my enquiry – or ‘point’, as some would have it - but offer in my defence the ability of nickh to get up people’s noses. I know I shouldn’t let it happen but I am but a weakling.

[OldNick]

Since you ask, I will attempt to summarise.

 

I do not offer opinions about the financial position of the club as I do not know any facts regarding the position, do not have the time to study the accounts and am, in any case, sceptical about whether they tell the truth.

I do not offer opinions about takeovers as I have never been privy to any of the facts regarding the goings-on of any of the consortiums.

I do not offer opinions about administration as I have no knowledge of, nor particular interest in, the legal position or responsibilities of plcs, or whoever.

I do offer opinions about football. It is, as they say, a game of opinions. I do actually know a little about football e.g. I know the offside rule and I know Phil Boyer was a fantastic striker and that David Armstrong was an equally good left-sided midfielder. I feel this knowledge gives my opinions some credence.

 

What I do know quite a bit about is getting buildings built, having qualified as an architect nearly 40 years ago.

(‘architect’ is a legally protected term that can only be claimed by those having successfully completed a 3-part qualification that takes at least 7 years – I state this not as a boast, but as support for any claim I may have made to know more about it than Nickh and my opinions of how SMS could have been better).

 

Nickh claimed there was a law saying there had to be room for ambulances to pass between the bye-line and the hoardings. I made no point, but asked him to say what this law was as I was unaware of it. He has singularly failed to do so but has gone on and on and on trying to justify his statement by chiefly relying on his blind faith that the club said so, so it is so.

 

If I were to make a point in support of the original contention of the thread, it is that I agree. I think SMS is less intimidating than the Dell and I believe an opportunity was lost. I believe the ground should have had a more enclosed feeling with a steeper rake and the supporters nearer the pitch. I believe the external appearance should have been more distinctive and that it should have included some feature that made it immediately identifiable as the stadium of Southampton Football club. I believe this could have been done within the budget and compliance with the Building Regulations and any other legislation that applied.

 

So, to answer your questions: a) I do not know why the stands are where they are b) I did not say the club ‘lied’ – they probably just fobbed him off as they did not know the answer as it was not they who designed the stadium. I made no mention of a conspiracy, but it is not unusual to be accused on this forum of making statements or claims that were not made.

 

I have no more to say on the subject and apologise to those who feel I have laboured my enquiry – or ‘point’, as some would have it - but offer in my defence the ability of nickh to get up people’s noses. I know I shouldn’t let it happen but I am but a weakling.

 

Victor if you had put up such a post originally you wouldnt have had me get up your nose.You IMo came on and tried playing the Billy big boots calling me foolish, a dinlo , stupid etc.

My original post was put in good faith and my wording was easily to be misunderstood but you knew what i was getting at but tried to be smart.

Planning is as you know very complex and it always helps if you have the authorities on your side and if they ask for good emergency access or even if the architects suggest so you go for it.Add to it the laws of the league who after tradgedies were very sensitive to the emergency services getting into the grounds.Tell us if you know of any new build stadia where the pitch is close to the stands? i doubt any have been built that way and will be a thing of the past.

Iam glad the club went for SMS and i dont hold the stadium responsible for our demise, it is a great stadium, and although it is the same as many we have not been lumbered with even more debt.

I myself dont know if the stadium could have been built with the stands raked back and more individuality, it seems more costly to me and surely would not provide such a good view as the seats would be in the gods.

Your best part which i would be fully behind was to make a feature that was identifiable with SFC. Iassume as the stadium was just a template from others and so cheaper that would not have been so easy.

[Victor]

Victor if you had put up such a post originally you wouldnt have had me get up your nose.You IMo came on and tried playing the Billy big boots calling me foolish, a dinlo , stupid etc.

My original post was put in good faith and my wording was easily to be misunderstood but you knew what i was getting at but tried to be smart.

Planning is as you know very complex and it always helps if you have the authorities on your side and if they ask for good emergency access or even if the architects suggest so you go for it.Add to it the laws of the league who after tradgedies were very sensitive to the emergency services getting into the grounds.Tell us if you know of any new build stadia where the pitch is close to the stands? i doubt any have been built that way and will be a thing of the past.

Iam glad the club went for SMS and i dont hold the stadium responsible for our demise, it is a great stadium, and although it is the same as many we have not been lumbered with even more debt.

I myself dont know if the stadium could have been built with the stands raked back and more individuality, it seems more costly to me and surely would not provide such a good view as the seats would be in the gods.

Your best part which i would be fully behind was to make a feature that was identifiable with SFC. Iassume as the stadium was just a template from others and so cheaper that would not have been so easy.

 

You're right, I probably was unnecessarily agressive, and I apologise.

 

I did not make any claim that that SMS was responsible for the club's demise, but I do believe we would have fared better if some of the Dell's characteristics had been replicated.

 

You are also right in saying that getting a building such as SMS built is a complex procedure and no single architect will know at the outset everything that he will have to take into account; the important thing is that he must know what questions to ask, who to ask them of, and what he can do to interpret them to get the best building possible.

 

Because buildings and Saints are 2 of my passions I feel strongly that SMS could have been so much better. I admit I do not know the respective dimensions but those at SMS seem to me to be vastly in excess of the figures you got from the FA/league, and seem much more than those at some other new grounds such as the Emirates. This is subjective and I would be intrigued to know the figures.

 

It also seems there is an excessive distance between the front row and the hoardings - plenty of room, for instance for the Filth to chase miscreants unhindered and, even more fun, for the Southend fans to do their conga.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

You're right, I probably was unnecessarily agressive, and I apologise.

 

I did not make any claim that that SMS was responsible for the club's demise, but I do believe we would have fared better if some of the Dell's characteristics had been replicated.

 

You are also right in saying that getting a building such as SMS built is a complex procedure and no single architect will know at the outset everything that he will have to take into account; the important thing is that he must know what questions to ask, who to ask them of, and what he can do to interpret them to get the best building possible.

 

Because buildings and Saints are 2 of my passions I feel strongly that SMS could have been so much better. I admit I do not know the respective dimensions but those at SMS seem to me to be vastly in excess of the figures you got from the FA/league, and seem much more than those at some other new grounds such as the Emirates. This is subjective and I would be intrigued to know the figures.

 

It also seems there is an excessive distance between the front row and the hoardings - plenty of room, for instance for the Filth to chase miscreants unhindered and, even more fun, for the Southend fans to do their conga.

 

This seems a reasonable and fair post. The club hate fans who ask pertinent questions, they are an inconvenience.

Incidentally Victor I never rated David Armstrong until he stopped playing and then I suddenly realised what a good player he was. Oh to have someone like him today.

[um pahars]

I never rated David Armstrong until he stopped playing and then I suddenly realised what a good player he was. Oh to have someone like him today.

 

Really???

 

I remember him during those halcyon days and thought everyone rated him (steaming in at the far post).

 

Something like 1 goal in 3 from a traditional midfielder, pah, call yourself a historian LOL.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Really???

 

I remember him during those halcyon days and thought everyone rated him (steaming in at the far post).

 

Something like 1 goal in 3 from a traditional midfielder, pah, call yourself a historian LOL.

 

He was a bit of a plodder compared to say Danny Wallace but of course he got between the boxes with a minimum of fuss and the maximum efficiency and he could score goals. He just never caught my eye but that was probably because off too many pints down the Fitzhugh.