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You can have some of mine if you like.

 

As to the strelisation comment i was perhaps a little harsh, but i have difficulty understanding how a grown adult could behave in the way of this gentleman especially with a child in tow. It's hardly the behaviour of a responsible parent.

 

For once I'm going to agree with Stanley's sentiments, not necesarily with the way it has been put across. Personally, I look at the state of todays society (the one where I was hit in the face with a spade for walking down a road) and I see and hear things like this and I just think, "that is where these people come from".

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Maybe it's my age but getting filmed by some kid copper with a camera is intimidation and out of order.

 

I posted something along the same lines a few weeks back after the Bristol City game. Every fan was filmed there as they walked up the steps to get in the ground. I completely object to this and see it is a breach of my civil liberties. What next? Coppers taking DNA samples or tagging football fans just in case something happens at some point somewhere in their football watching lives?

 

I have no issue with the police at all. I appreciate the job they do and am under no illusion that there is trouble at games and they do a decent job of protecting innocent supporters. Having said all that I think they are overstepping the mark filming everyone and I think they need to appreciate that every day normal people that have no inclination of acting up at the football deeply object to this practice.

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Was he using bad language by any chance. Because if he was I think you'll find it is a crime.

 

And if it is, then they had better convert those gas holders in to cells as they will have to arrest 1000's each week at St Mary's.

 

Sounds to me as though there was an over reaction by the Old Bill up at Blackpool and a similar one on this message board.

 

Scratching my head that some people find it offensive to get frustrated, animated and passionate at a football ground, and that's before you get on to the perceived naughtiness of swearing!!!!!

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This thread makes me ashamed to be a Saints fan. Not because of the said incident, but because so many of you are narrow minded and up your own ar5e5. I know the chap involved very well and without fail he, his kid, and his mates travel the country every week to support the team. The likes of you are sat at home doing feck all so it's you who need to have a good look at yourselves.

 

A few facts - the kid isn't 5 - he is 8. He is not his son either. He might use industrial language from time to time but he is a fecking good kid and very passionate about Saints. His old man like the chap involved is highly respected so learn a few facts before jumping on the bandwagon. If you've got a problem with these lads why don't you say something to them at games, but oh no it's easier to do it behind the safety of your computer screen, eh?

 

Unreal son, you need to read that post again. 'Industrial language' don't know what industry he works in at his age but watch out for the authorities.

The real problem is the likes of you and presumably his 'guardian' trying to excuse such behavior.

 

So get real the kids doesn't stand much of a chance does if you and your ilk condone the use of such language, I appreciate you may have a limited vocabulary, just judging by your posts mind, but surely if you know the family you could encourage the adult to stop taking him and allow him to get better mentoring.

 

As for this idiot being respected you like some many youngsters have no comprehension of what it means or stands for, so get over it, as they say on the street 'nuff said'

 

Oh and before you start, if he exhibits such behavior in mine or my families vicinity you can be sure he'll be robustly challenged, now that's putting it politely!

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Unreal son, you need to read that post again. 'Industrial language' don't know what industry he works in at his age but watch out for the authorities.

The real problem is the likes of you and presumably his 'guardian' trying to excuse such behavior.

 

So get real the kids doesn't stand much of a chance does if you and your ilk condone the use of such language, I appreciate you may have a limited vocabulary, just judging by your posts mind, but surely if you know the family you could encourage the adult to stop taking him and allow him to get better mentoring.

 

As for this idiot being respected you like some many youngsters have no comprehension of what it means or stands for, so get over it, as they say on the street 'nuff said'

 

Oh and before you start, if he exhibits such behavior in mine or my families vicinity you can be sure he'll be robustly challenged, now that's putting it politely!

 

Do you even know him? Or know his family? No. You are just drawing a quick comparision off the back of what the lad does during a football match. Football is a passionate sport, so what if he swears from time to time. I couldn't give a f/ck. In fact I applaud the lad's old man for the up-bringing his nipper has had as he clearly is going to grow up not taking life very seriously...unlike you who quite frankly come across as a right c/nt.

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Oh and before you start, if he exhibits such behavior in mine or my families vicinity you can be sure he'll be robustly challenged, now that's putting it politely!

 

 

Can i suggest that you might want to opt for netball at the sports centre every Saturday? Very pleasant sights and no bad language......not like that nasty football

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Do you even know him? Or know his family? No. You are just drawing a quick comparision off the back of what the lad does during a football match. Football is a passionate sport, so what if he swears from time to time. I couldn't give a f/ck. In fact I applaud the lad's old man for the up-bringing his nipper has had as he clearly is going to grow up not taking life very seriously...unlike you who quite frankly come across as a right c/nt.

 

I think he's basing his opinion on your "character reference", i.e..... he wasn't 5, he was an 8 year old....(oh that's all right then)..........industrial language......(why ain't he reading Harry Ptter or doesn't he do books?)...............applauding the upbringing which involves getting drunk and shouting at people..... etc etc etc.

 

That's just my reading of it of course.

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My sons eight - never heard him swear, and if I did, he would end up with a good clip round the ear and the rest of the night in his bedroom. Not a clue if thats good parenthood, but thats just what my old man did for me - did me no harm at all.

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Most of you on here make me sick! Armchair prawn sandwich eating, monitor staring, opinionated farts!

Bring back the casual era under the east stand terraces anytime, when EVERYONE abused the ref when he was wrong, EVERYONE used 'industrial' language, and EVERYONE laughed at the Harry Roberts song, thats right laughed! as its not serious its a wind up! lighten up ffs, where are the thousands of like minded saints fans from those times? sucked up by aliens and replaced by 'cyber' warriors?

 

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Most of you on here make me sick! Armchair prawn sandwich eating, monitor staring, opinionated farts!

Bring back the casual era under the east stand terraces anytime, when EVERYONE abused the ref when he was wrong, EVERYONE used 'industrial' language, and EVERYONE laughed at the Harry Roberts song, thats right laughed! as its not serious its a wind up! lighten up ffs, where are the thousands of like minded saints fans from those times? sucked up by aliens and replaced by 'cyber' warriors?

 

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It's fine abusing the ref and it's fine swearing. I do both. The issue with this case is that a "fan" remonstrated at the ref and was told to get back from the hoardings by the police. He didn't do as he was told and was quite rightly put in his place. Dillinquents like this don't respect the law like normal people do so they need to be dealt with robustly. The fact they might not like this is neither here nor there. It's completely irrelevent. If they behaved themselves like 99% of other people there wouldn't be a problem, but chavs have been "brung" up like this so it's hardly surprsing they act in the way they do.

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How DARE he stand by the hoardings, how DARE he not do as hes told! bloody delinquent, how DARE he not be sat in his seat an hour before the game watching the pre-match 'entertainment' !!!!

 

What have you middle class idiots done to MY game!

 

I want to go on the lash with the lads. stand on the terraces with no women to worry about, swearing at will, all the kids and grannies in the family centre and enjoy a bloody good game of football, like my father and my fathers father and so on!

How did we let you bloody hockey loving prawn sandwich eating Sunday Telegraph readers hijack our game in the space of ten years? ill never know!

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How DARE he stand by the hoardings, how DARE he not do as hes told! bloody delinquent, how DARE he not be sat in his seat an hour before the game watching the pre-match 'entertainment' !!!!

 

What have you middle class idiots done to MY game!

 

I want to go on the lash with the lads. stand on the terraces with no women to worry about, swearing at will, all the kids and grannies in the family centre and enjoy a bloody good game of football, like my father and my fathers father and so on!

How did we let you bloody hockey loving prawn sandwich eating Sunday Telegraph readers hijack our game in the space of ten years? ill never know!

 

Couldn't have put it better myself.

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How DARE he stand by the hoardings, how DARE he not do as hes told! bloody delinquent, how DARE he not be sat in his seat an hour before the game watching the pre-match 'entertainment' !!!!

 

What have you middle class idiots done to MY game!

 

I want to go on the lash with the lads. stand on the terraces with no women to worry about, swearing at will, all the kids and grannies in the family centre and enjoy a bloody good game of football, like my father and my fathers father and so on!

How did we let you bloody hockey loving prawn sandwich eating Sunday Telegraph readers hijack our game in the space of ten years? ill never know!

 

How DARE customs prevent me carrying a bottle of coke onto a plane, how DARE they install CCTV into my town, how DARE they search me on entry into football stadiums. It's the lowelife elements in society that erode my civil liberties. Like a previous poster you try to make this a class issue. It has nothing whatever to do with class. I'm working class as are the vast majority of others but i don't want to blow up airliners or partake in football violence. Most working class people are brought up to respect the police and when the police tell them to do something they obey them without question. It's the anarchists that erode our civil liberties and i for one fully support the police when they show no respect for them in return.

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Only a couple of weeks after the murder of those soldiers and policemen in NI people are condoning this chanting! Now that is funny. Do you really want the 'good ol' days back'?

 

People of their ilk are no better than the IRA and would love anarchy to return. Thankfully they are in as much a minority now as they always were. The yobs like to portray hooliganism as "how it used to be" but the reality is that these dilinquents only latched onto football in the early 70's. Prior to that Saints fans used to watch Pompey and vice versa.

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People of their ilk are no better than the IRA and would love anarchy to return. Thankfully they are in as much a minority now as they always were. The yobs like to portray hooliganism as "how it used to be" but the reality is that these dilinquents only latched onto football in the early 70's. Prior to that Saints fans used to watch Pompey and vice versa.

 

And, oh how we laughed at the hilarious racist chants back then too. It's not jsu that people are sayin it is acceptable and part of football culture, they are actually saying it is funny! :smt017

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I want to go on the lash with the lads. stand on the terraces with no women to worry about, swearing at will, all the kids and grannies in the family centre and enjoy a bloody good game of football, like my father and my fathers father and so on!

How did we let you bloody hockey loving prawn sandwich eating Sunday Telegraph readers hijack our game in the space of ten years? ill never know!

 

 

spot on mate. If they had their way English football will eventually end up like American sports where there is no terrace culture, just families wearing official club merchandise from head to toe eating hot dogs and shouting wooo! when something exciting happens. standing up, singing, shouting & swearing is all part of going to football. As long as there is a family centre etc there should be room for people who just want to sit there in the quiet to have their option as well.

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And if it is, then they had better convert those gas holders in to cells as they will have to arrest 1000's each week at St Mary's.

 

Sounds to me as though there was an over reaction by the Old Bill up at Blackpool and a similar one on this message board.

 

Scratching my head that some people find it offensive to get frustrated, animated and passionate at a football ground, and that's before you get on to the perceived naughtiness of swearing!!!!!

 

My point was that it was said it wasn't a crime.

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spot on mate. If they had their way English football will eventually end up like American sports where there is no terrace culture, just families wearing official club merchandise from head to toe eating hot dogs and shouting wooo! when something exciting happens. standing up, singing, shouting & swearing is all part of going to football. As long as there is a family centre etc there should be room for people who just want to sit there in the quiet to have their option as well.

 

Standing up, swearing and shouting is fine, but there is a line. The hoodlum in question overstepped the mark, he was warned to get back from the hoardings. I'd say the police were reasonable with him like they are with most people. He didn't immediately do as he was told and he got carted off. I'd say the police handled the situation in the way we as tax payers would expect them to handle it. You've got to be sensible and none of us want to go back to perimeter fences.

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I can't believe this.....

One fan who got carried away with the most pathetic referee I have ever seen gets pounced on by 4 stewards because he is stood on the perimeter near the pitch.

We then get 5 or 6 coppers one armed with a video camera filming him jump all over him.

Fans were getting upset with the way he was manhandled in front of his kids by thiese 9 or so!

The guy was not lashing out, punching or kicking just stating like the rest that he had not really done anything.

Yet the next thing we get on here is him being a cross between the Hannibal Lechter and the Yorkshire Ripper..unbelievable.

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how the fun has gone out of following ones team,swearing,standing all part of football.just cos the corporates dont want the likes of us anymore at games,tough i say.we will never be defeated,i for one will give abuse if it warrants it to the ref,if people dont like it,dont go,its football ffs,the only day of the week we can late off steam from the hardships of work,coyr

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I can't believe this.....

One fan who got carried away with the most pathetic referee I have ever seen gets pounced on by 4 stewards because he is stood on the perimeter near the pitch.

We then get 5 or 6 coppers one armed with a video camera filming him jump all over him.

Fans were getting upset with the way he was manhandled in front of his kids by thiese 9 or so!The guy was not lashing out, punching or kicking just stating like the rest that he had not really done anything.

Yet the next thing we get on here is him being a cross between the Hannibal Lechter and the Yorkshire Ripper..unbelievable.

 

Should people not be upset about how he was acting in front of his kids in the first place?

 

I think there are a couple of issues here. I'm not saying that the Police didn't over-react, however, if he overstepped the mark by not doing as they say, in a public place, then something is going to happen. What I'm saying is his kid singing songs about the police, and effing and blinding at 8 years old shows to me that they seem a rather unsavoury lot and so so any defence I hear is tainted.

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Should people not be upset about how he was acting in front of his kids in the first place?

 

I think there are a couple of issues here. I'm not saying that the Police didn't over-react, however, if he overstepped the mark by not doing as they say, in a public place, then something is going to happen. What I'm saying is his kid singing songs about the police, and effing and blinding at 8 years old shows to me that they seem a rather unsavoury lot and so so any defence I hear is tainted.

 

I agree in general. On the one hand, I know that the Police do over react in some situations like this and I agree that the blanket filming of fans instead of specific targeting of those causing a disturbance is provocative.

 

On the other hand, I am always dismayed at the decline in society so that a kid so young is using language like this and carries on as if it is normal, which it probably is in his family background. We're given to believe that his father is "well respected". By whom? Even if he is respected in his place of work, his neighbourhood, he certainly does not appear to have much support about the way that he is bringing up his kid.

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Standing up, swearing and shouting is fine, but there is a line. The hoodlum in question overstepped the mark, he was warned to get back from the hoardings. I'd say the police were reasonable with him like they are with most people. He didn't immediately do as he was told and he got carted off. I'd say the police handled the situation in the way we as tax payers would expect them to handle it. You've got to be sensible and none of us want to go back to perimeter fences.

 

Were you there Stanley?

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Were you there Stanley?

 

No, but the facts as have been outlined were that he was asked to asked to move straightaway and he didnt. Add to this the way his child behaved and it's clear we're not talking about little angels who've been singled out.

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If you read the thread properly you would know the boy in question was NOT his son Stanley and as you werent there how would you know how he was behaving?

A passionate supporter gets abused by northern police and most of you vilify him! Fans fighting each other, what has this club come to!

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A passionate supporter gets abused by northern police and most of you vilify him! Fans fighting each other, what has this club come to!

 

Why should anyone feel sorry for some chav that gets carted off by the police? It's dillinquents like this that give SFC a bad name.

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No, but the facts as have been outlined were that he was asked to asked to move straightaway and he didnt. Add to this the way his child behaved and it's clear we're not talking about little angels who've been singled out.

 

I rest my case.

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No, but the facts as have been outlined were that he was asked to asked to move straightaway and he didnt. Add to this the way his child behaved and it's clear we're not talking about little angels who've been singled out.

 

so the same rules and actions should apply at sms , when people constantly stand up and do not sit down immediately when asked to do so. ?

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This thread makes me ashamed to be a Saints fan. Not because of the said incident, but because so many of you are narrow minded and up your own ar5e5. I know the chap involved very well and without fail he, his kid, and his mates travel the country every week to support the team. The likes of you are sat at home doing feck all so it's you who need to have a good look at yourselves.

 

A few facts - the kid isn't 5 - he is 8. He is not his son either. He might use industrial language from time to time but he is a fecking good kid and very passionate about Saints. His old man like the chap involved is highly respected so learn a few facts before jumping on the bandwagon. If you've got a problem with these lads why don't you say something to them at games, but oh no it's easier to do it behind the safety of your computer screen, eh?

 

It wasnt meant as an attempted slant on anyone. It was just a question asked after being told that there were unconfirmed reports of trouble.

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so the same rules and actions should apply at sms ' date=' when people constantly stand up and do not sit down immediately when asked to do so. ?[/quote']

 

Of course, but it's not really feasible to wade in when there's thousands standing up. When one mouthy chav has a go (as at Blackpool) the police can easily deal with it.

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I was there and all I saw was a guy who was just as angry as me about the shocking penalty decision having a go at the ref, just like I was, but from a close distance. The Police, AS ALWAYS, completely over reacted simply because it is a football match.

 

This is exactly as i saw it. He was between the stand and the hoardings when the Police intercepted him but I don't know if he was actually heading for the pitch. OTT handling of a situation born out of an idiotic referreeing decision.

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I can't believe this.....

One fan who got carried away with the most pathetic referee I have ever seen gets pounced on by 4 stewards because he is stood on the perimeter near the pitch.

We then get 5 or 6 coppers one armed with a video camera filming him jump all over him.

Fans were getting upset with the way he was manhandled in front of his kids by thiese 9 or so!

The guy was not lashing out, punching or kicking just stating like the rest that he had not really done anything.

Yet the next thing we get on here is him being a cross between the Hannibal Lechter and the Yorkshire Ripper..unbelievable.

 

Spot on Ron, thats the way i saw it too.

It just seems to me the one's making there own minds up on this situation weren't even there.

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Spot on Ron, thats the way i saw it too.

It just seems to me the one's making there own minds up on this situation weren't even there.

 

Just as i saw it too Ron,

 

It really is quite amusing to read the "holier than thou" attitude being handed out by those who weren't there, saw nothing off it, didn't witness the horendous refereeing decision after a few beers, do not know the man in question, and did not see what a complete bunch of tossers the Police were all afternoon. And as for the Harry Roberts song being linked to the murder of the Irish Policeman, well that beggars belief, can't remember who dragged that garbage out on this thread but it is bloody priceless.

 

Funny how times change, the son in this thread even had his own thread with dozens of appreciative comments a couple of years back after a game at Northampton, now he is clearly the Devi's son.

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Well I was there, I did see what happened, I had a few beers before kick off and I took my seat 5 minutes before kick off. And I thought the language the kid was using was disgraceful. The penalty decison was dreadful and several people were hurling abuse at the referee, but most of them did it from their seats. One chose not to and when the police told him to sit down he didn't. There is no question that the police overreacted, but we all know what they're like so why give them the excuse to overreact in the first place? I have never been in trouble with the police at football matches, not because I'm an angel but because when I have got over excited I've taken notice of a copper telling me to calm down even if he's told me more aggressively than he needed to. We're not gonna win against them so why try?

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