Blackpool 1 - 1 Saints - Post match reaction

[70's Mike]

Got back late last night, had a long chat with my 2 sons on drive home, and decided after this season we will give away games a miss from now on.

Reason being we are fed up of being conned , the club big up the players all week, alright i know Wotte did not actually compare DMG and Torres but the words were used in the same sentence, but it comes to match days and we are seen for what we are CRAP.

75 MINS today of sterile nothing , yes we came away with a point and for the first hour of the drive home you are satisfied then reality kicks in and you have spent over £100 , lost one of the two days you get off work and really not enjoyed it.

 

Now a lot of the armchair stay at home , for home and away games, fans will be on telling me what a bad supporter i am but enough is enough.

 

I then read comments like i cannot see Plymouth getting 8 more points, well imo we will struggle to get 8 ourselves.Any team that puts 10 behind the ball and says to us "come on break us down" are virtually guaranteed a draw.We lack width , expose our fullbacks to constant pressure because there is no support in front of them which also means they cannot get forward.

The Wotte honeymoon is over for me , it is not even about todays draw because on its own it may have been ok but the 2 home draws against QPR and Derby have imo sealed our fate.

I HOPE I AM WRONG but ?

[sidthesquid]

He is probably the laziest, slowest, least motivated player I have seen in a Saints shirt for many a year. He doesn't read the game well, doesn't know how to make space for others or pull other players out of the game. He does occasionally spark into life, but flickers all too briefly.

 

Strange first post. A more cynical person might think you were....oh, I don't know - his Chairman........

 

I agree he started the season like he thought he was a star, especially after a couple of goals, but since Christmas, & particularly since he has moved into midfield, I think it is unfair. He does work hard and he's certainly not the slowest, but I agree his body language suggests he is unmotivated, but I think that is just his 'way'. He may not cut it in the Prem, but he will have a good career at this level

[Chez]

You are seriously taking the ******, aren't you? His first touch is shocking - i reckon that is one of his major weaknesses.

 

is it ****. Lazy and lacking in pace yes but poor first touch never.

[trousers]

The Wotte honeymoon is over for me

 

9 months is a bloody long honeymoon!

[derry]

Not as good a reaction as I would have thought really. True our result was mediocre but two others were better than could be hoped for.

 

Wotte's record is now; P10 W3 D4 L3, 13 points, same as Pearson's from 12 before the Sheff U home game (if you don't count Plymouth of course).

I would have thought that at least someone (other than me) would have said well done to the lads for fighting back and getting a point at Blackpool given the circumstances of the others losing.

 

Wotte's record is P11 W3 D5 L3, 14 points. Started at Norwich on 27th Jan.

[Wes Tender]

I've started reading this forum a lot recently and i am always stunned as to why McGoldrick gets so much abuse. People calling him stuff like "McGoaldrought" is stupid. It is CLEAR that he is very talented with the ball at his feet (his first touch is great, dribbles well, strong) to anyone who knows anything about football. Compare his overall ability to Euell for example, and McGoldrick scrubs up better for most if not all the qualities to being a good front man.

 

I am assuming that the majority of people who hate him and want him sold don't go to games and just judge him on his goal scoring record, which at the minute isn't great but chat to any of the academy coaches down there and they'll all tell you that he is an extremely talented GOALSCORER. These guys aren't all wrong. He will develop into a very good player. People forget, whenever he has played up front it has usually been on his own and he has been completely starved of any service.

 

Give the guy time, let him develop and get off his back.

 

Ironic isn't it that you can make a statement like the one highlighted and then in the previous sentence infer that you are somebody who knows about football. McGoldrick has not yet made any case that he is in any way better than Euell and especially when you are comparing a footballer in the twilight of his career against one where the ink has hardly dried on his birth certificate, it is even more difficult to justify. Euell has achievements in his career that McGoldrick may or may not match, but he has certainly not made out any case for it yet.

 

I was musing about a similar rising young star who I used to watch and admire in the reserves many years ago, who looked like a really good prospect, potentially the next Alan Shearer, a lad who played up front with Michael Owen in the England youth team. What exactly became of Shayne Bradley? I looked it up and it is very sad. He only had a few games in the first team, but at a time when we were in the Premiership and he had some serious competition up front. Like McGoldrick, he used to look the real deal in the youth team and reserves too.

 

I supect that the problem with McGoldrick has been that scoring freely in a team that has contained the likes of Walcott and Bale, he has been told by the youth team management that he could be the next one to make the big time based on his scoring ability at that level. He really needed to be introduced gradually and allowed to grow and develop slowly, but instead, because of Lowe's masterplan of jettisoning any player who might be on a higher wage because of experience and expertise, he has been thrown in the deep end and ordered to sink or swim. The crazy Poortvliet formation placing him up front alone did not help either, so his confidence has probably taken a big knock. If we are relegated, then his development will probably take a further knock and he will either stay and play against a load of cloggers in the 3rd division, or be bought up by some other club in this division and have to start battling for a place in the team again and go from there.

 

I place more of the burden of blame on those who have been responsible for poor decisions on when and how often he played at the wrong time, rather than on his shoulders. If club policy is to save money by developing and playing our own youngsters, selling on the really good ones and playing the others who can make the team on merit, then we ought to learn how to do it properly without ruining any decent prospects we have.

[del boy]

I thought this was a must win game??

 

Just checked the league table and we're still very much in the fight. Strange, seeing as we didn't win.

 

I think you'll find that every game is now heralded as a "must win" and likewise if we don't there will be plenty of "thats it were doomed" comments. In reality it is still wide open and could well go to the last game. Luckily there are some other teams in equally perilous positions.

Hold on for the ride.

[Window Cleaner]

Wotte's record is P11 W3 D5 L3, 14 points. Started at Norwich on 27th Jan.

 

So if we beat Charlton his record will be better than the much revered Pearson?? from a game less,2 if you're not generous and count Pymouth.

 

Last season so many thought we were sure to go down, we didn't and now we have a coach with a record as good as last season's saviour with probably a less talented side. We need to beat Charlton, the fans need to get behind the team to make sure that happens, I've booked my flight and bought my ticket. To me that game is a gimme but who knows with us.I thought we'd avoid relegation last season, we did, I think we have an excellent chance of avoiding it this season as well, we shall see.

Edited 22 March, 2009 by Window Cleaner

[SaintRobbie]

Wotte's record is P11 W3 D5 L3, 14 points. Started at Norwich on 27th Jan.

 

This is not quite correct.

 

Wotte's record actually extends over the whole season as he was a major part of the decision-making process that limited JPs options to only play kids whilst sidelining experienced quality players (whom we have still largely paid the wages for anyway!)

 

I am afraid I cannot review Wotte's input based on when he took over from JP, it is illogical to me as the damage was done at the start and middle of the season through a club policy that Wotte was central to.

 

Since JP left that policy has changed given the realisation of the nonsense it was - hence Wotte appearing to do better than JP.

 

To properly assess Wotte, you have to assess his contribution to the WHOLE season not just as coach under more relaxed club policies of player selection. He has contributed since last summer.

[Andy_Porter]

Davis - Made one great save and was very unlucky to conceede a very soft penalty. - 7

 

Thomson - I thought he's do ok at right back but even going forward he was poor, his crossing was terrible. Really shouldn't have been thrown in at the deep end like though one of the more experienced players should play there for the next game. - 3

Skacel - Got up and down the line well but he was very reluctant to beat his man and for the last 15 minutes he was very slow to track back and didn't look interested. - 4

Perry - Was his usual reliable self, was a very good signing hard to believe he's played so many games at his age. - 7

Size - A real shame he isn't here on a permanent deal he really is a class act. Even when he goes forward he looks better on the ball than most our attacking players. - 7

 

Gillett - My MOTM again, we really need a few more players with his attitude. Forced to play in three different positions but was still easily our best midfielder. - 8

Schneiderlin - Very average, had some really good touches but he just isn't suited to the Championship and a pitch like yesterday. Didn't impose him self enough or get stuck in. - 5

Surman - Usual Surman performance, wondered around pulled out of a few challenges and wasted a few set pieces although he was very unlucky at the end of the game. I just wish his delivery from set pieces was more consistent. - 5

McGoldrick - Terrible untill he scored but he took his chance well and had a decent end to the game, just hope he can keep that level of performance from the end of the game. - 6

 

Euell - Shame he got injured, BWP obviously doesn't have the same physical presence about him. - 6

Saganowski - Wasn't his best game but he worked hard all game, needs to get a goal to get a bit of confidence again. Nothing seems to be dropping to him at the moment so maybe he's just unlucky at the moment. - 6

 

Subs:

BWP - Would rather have Paterson on the bench so we have a physical presence upfront, hoofing balls to BWP and Saga was never going to work. - 5

Wotton - Should have started, need men like him rather than Schniederlin. - 6

Lallana - Didn't really have enough time to do anything.

 

Was a really crap game between two **** sides. The support was all too spread out to really create any atmosphere and the ground is a **** hole. Struggle to see how we're going to stay up when we play like that against such a crap team, would have been different if that free kick from Surman had gone in. We need six points from Watford and Charlton now to give us some hope.

[Andy_Porter]

So if we beat Charlton his record will be better than the much revered Pearson?? from a game less,2 if you're not generous and count Pymouth.

 

 

That's a big if.

[alpine_saint]

That's a big if.

 

Indeed. Have we won a single 6-pointer so far this season ?

[LGTL]

Just got back, what dump that place is, cracking weekend though. Game wasn't great, a shame Surman's 94th minute free kick couldn't have been an inch futher inside the post though.

[Give it to Ron]

Just got back after a weekend in that dump of a place...tacky is the best i can describe it as.

Cheap beer, Saturday night in Reflex was quality as was the Counting House area...some very nice young ladies.

Well done to the fans for the impeccable observed minutes silence.

I think our midfield were still standing in the same position for the first 40 minutes as McG, Surman and the shocking Schneiderling were abysmal and minced about letting Blackpool dictate the play. Ormerod missed a free header from 12 yards but give credit to KD who gave him very little target.

KD brought off a good dsve from Campbells overhead and to be honest we could of been 3 down at HT.

Morgan is such a lightweight powder puff who goes down like he has been shot every five minutes and contributed nothing on the right.

An absolute shocking decision for the penalty shouldn't be a surprised for a ref that got 95% of the decisions wrong in this game. He needs to learn its what actually happens not when the crowd shouts loudest.

Gillet on the right and Wotton in the centre competed well meant we actually started the second half a bit better although Blackpool were the better of 2 very poor sides.

Once we had equalised from the vastly improved McG second half we looked like the more likely to win it although DJ looked dangerous on the break.

I didn't think it was a free kick at the end but a corner but this ref again got it wrong.

That 1 inch difference between post and into the net just may cost us but to be fair a win would of been unfai as we were shocking - no pattern, style or at times passion worries me.

I lost count the number of times it was hoofed when a 5 yard pass up the line was easier and we give the ball away far too often as well as silly free kicks in dangerous areas.

Size and Perry were superb and the blonde Blackpool defender Barker was tremendous and one to buy once our millionaires boat finally docks ;-)

Shocking ground and far over the top reaction by the stewards and police during the first half incident.

Had a good chat with some Blackpool and Saints fans in Weatherspoons a good weekend just a shame about the performance.

[Give it to Ron]

Some photos.

 

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[sidthesquid]

Ironic isn't it that you can make a statement like the one highlighted and then in the previous sentence infer that you are somebody who knows about football. McGoldrick has not yet made any case that he is in any way better than Euell and especially when you are comparing a footballer in the twilight of his career against one where the ink has hardly dried on his birth certificate, it is even more difficult to justify. Euell has achievements in his career that McGoldrick may or may not match, but he has certainly not made out any case for it yet.

 

I was musing about a similar rising young star who I used to watch and admire in the reserves many years ago, who looked like a really good prospect, potentially the next Alan Shearer, a lad who played up front with Michael Owen in the England youth team. What exactly became of Shayne Bradley? I looked it up and it is very sad. He only had a few games in the first team, but at a time when we were in the Premiership and he had some serious competition up front. Like McGoldrick, he used to look the real deal in the youth team and reserves too.

 

I supect that the problem with McGoldrick has been that scoring freely in a team that has contained the likes of Walcott and Bale, he has been told by the youth team management that he could be the next one to make the big time based on his scoring ability at that level. He really needed to be introduced gradually and allowed to grow and develop slowly, but instead, because of Lowe's masterplan of jettisoning any player who might be on a higher wage because of experience and expertise, he has been thrown in the deep end and ordered to sink or swim. The crazy Poortvliet formation placing him up front alone did not help either, so his confidence has probably taken a big knock. If we are relegated, then his development will probably take a further knock and he will either stay and play against a load of cloggers in the 3rd division, or be bought up by some other club in this division and have to start battling for a place in the team again and go from there.

 

I place more of the burden of blame on those who have been responsible for poor decisions on when and how often he played at the wrong time, rather than on his shoulders. If club policy is to save money by developing and playing our own youngsters, selling on the really good ones and playing the others who can make the team on merit, then we ought to learn how to do it properly without ruining any decent prospects we have.

 

Don't turn every argument to fit your agenda. McG was not thrown it at the deep end - he's been on the periphery of the first team for 2 seasons before this one and this season really was his make or break one. I agree that playing him as a lone striker was wrong, but we know that now because it was tried & failed. I think his current role (which was also an experiment) suits him well & he will develop into an okay player (in fact imo he already is), but for some reason because Poortvliet was Lowe's choice of manager & McG was JP's seemingly favourite player everyone has it in for him while Saganowski, who hasn't scored for 6 games, is immediately excused by 'not getting decent service'. McG is okay, not great, but not the worst either

[LGTL]

Agree with that. I have had a go at DMG in the past, but he really didn't do any worse than anyone else yesterday, and he took his goal well.

[SaintRobbie]

Got back late last night, had a long chat with my 2 sons on drive home, and decided after this season we will give away games a miss from now on.

Reason being we are fed up of being conned , the club big up the players all week, alright i know Wotte did not actually compare DMG and Torres but the words were used in the same sentence, but it comes to match days and we are seen for what we are CRAP.

75 MINS today of sterile nothing , yes we came away with a point and for the first hour of the drive home you are satisfied then reality kicks in and you have spent over £100 , lost one of the two days you get off work and really not enjoyed it.

 

Now a lot of the armchair stay at home , for home and away games, fans will be on telling me what a bad supporter i am but enough is enough.

 

I then read comments like i cannot see Plymouth getting 8 more points, well imo we will struggle to get 8 ourselves.Any team that puts 10 behind the ball and says to us "come on break us down" are virtually guaranteed a draw.We lack width , expose our fullbacks to constant pressure because there is no support in front of them which also means they cannot get forward.

The Wotte honeymoon is over for me , it is not even about todays draw because on its own it may have been ok but the 2 home draws against QPR and Derby have imo sealed our fate.

I HOPE I AM WRONG but ?

 

Can I ask you a serious question Mike? Would you reassess your position of not going to games if we lost Lowe for good and Wotte was replaced - even if we're in League 1? i.e. would it give you some optimism?

[Wes Tender]

Don't turn every argument to fit your agenda. McG was not thrown it at the deep end - he's been on the periphery of the first team for 2 seasons before this one and this season really was his make or break one. I agree that playing him as a lone striker was wrong, but we know that now because it was tried & failed. I think his current role (which was also an experiment) suits him well & he will develop into an okay player (in fact imo he already is), but for some reason because Poortvliet was Lowe's choice of manager & McG was JP's seemingly favourite player everyone has it in for him while Saganowski, who hasn't scored for 6 games, is immediately excused by 'not getting decent service'. McG is okay, not great, but not the worst either

 

 

Obviously just because I want the club rid of Lowe and the Quisling, means that I am apparently not entitled to have any sort of opinion on any of the players, or else Sid will immediately label it as part of my agenda.

 

It is my opinion that although he had played the odd handfull of games in the previous season, the best way to integrate a striker into the squad is gradually and as we didn't do that, stating that he was thrown in at the deep end this season is fair comment, especially as you admit that having him play as a lone striker was a mistake. You might say that has only been proven in retrospect, but many on here forecasted just such an outcome. Those posters must all have been the ones with agendas too.

 

As to whether McGoldrick develops into a good player remains to be seen, although as I said, his confidence must have taken a bad knock due to the incompetance of playing him too much, too early and as the sole striker for too long. I said that I didn't place the blame on his shoulders for the way that he has turned out, so apart from a difference of opinion about whether he should have been introduced more gradually when it was simply not an option when we had jettisoned our three main strikers, where elsedo you take issue with what i have said?

[Greenridge]

... McG is okay, not great, but not the worst either

 

No you're probably right but what is strange is that those who have been the 'worst' have been dropped at some point in time during the season whereas DMG is ever-present. Confusing, no?

[ottery st mary]

Mighty Mac is a poor player in a very very poor side that plays against many other poor sides in this league. Unluckily for us we have been poorly coached and very poorly Directed therefore we end up with many poorly managed footballers who struggle to improve.

 

Blame game, yes....Obvious Mr Lowe, Mr Wilde. Very Poor fellow Directors/Backers in Askham, Richards and the Like.

 

The Dutch Coach JP and Wotte, just very poor choices by Rupert..AGAIN.

[sidthesquid]

Obviously just because I want the club rid of Lowe and the Quisling, means that I am apparently not entitled to have any sort of opinion on any of the players, or else Sid will immediately label it as part of my agenda.

 

It is my opinion that although he had played the odd handfull of games in the previous season, the best way to integrate a striker into the squad is gradually and as we didn't do that, stating that he was thrown in at the deep end this season is fair comment, especially as you admit that having him play as a lone striker was a mistake. You might say that has only been proven in retrospect, but many on here forecasted just such an outcome. Those posters must all have been the ones with agendas too.

 

As to whether McGoldrick develops into a good player remains to be seen, although as I said, his confidence must have taken a bad knock due to the incompetance of playing him too much, too early and as the sole striker for too long. I said that I didn't place the blame on his shoulders for the way that he has turned out, so apart from a difference of opinion about whether he should have been introduced more gradually when it was simply not an option when we had jettisoned our three main strikers, where elsedo you take issue with what i have said?

 

I never said you were not entitled to an opinion, but I still maintain that this season was the big one for McG. We have had too many talented young players - Blackstock, Best, Cranie, Mills all spring to mind - who were never given a proper run in the team to establish themselves & have drifted off elsewhere. James & Gillett have grown through this season & McG has too imo. (And his confidence didn't look shot on Saturday when he scored his goal).

I agree the lone striker thing failed, but that's football - players get tried in different positions, some work, some don't, and some people on here forecast failure for everything all the time but it doesn't make them wise when they are right now and again.

My main complaint is that a lot of people on here are very quick to jump on the scapegoat band-wagon with our younger players because they have become tainted by the Lowe/JP connection & back unnquestioningly those that were perceived to be their victims - eg Skacel, Euell & Saga who are all okay, but not as great as people on here wish to believe they are

[AlfredKo]

One point away at Blackpool is not the end of the day, particularly being one goal down with a soft penalty. Plymouth and Bransley both just lost against Blackpool but we didn't, can I say we are doing better than our rivals?

[70's Mike]

Can I ask you a serious question Mike? Would you reassess your position of not going to games if we lost Lowe for good and Wotte was replaced - even if we're in League 1? i.e. would it give you some optimism?

 

 

firstly i am only talking about away games.

I do not actually blame Wotte, i may not like his attitude,but he is doing his best to implement decisions from above, like any middle manager does.

If Lowe and his gang were to go and we were in League 1 I might reconsider but frankly the last 5 years have taken there toll and my love affair with SFC and football in general , after 49 years of support all over Europe, has diminshed.

The worst thing is that I do not appear to care anymore, i go to the games and even the home ones are becoming a chore, the game itself has lost its sole.

Yes it is part of the entertainment industry but the game i loved had a massive element of us v them, tribal, i felt it was what added to the game.

i actually get as much enjoyment watching Warsash Wasps play on a Saturday when we are away , and i do not go, maybe my issue is that i still love the game and cameradrie but not the professional game

[Wes Tender]

I never said you were not entitled to an opinion, but I still maintain that this season was the big one for McG. We have had too many talented young players - Blackstock, Best, Cranie, Mills all spring to mind - who were never given a proper run in the team to establish themselves & have drifted off elsewhere. James & Gillett have grown through this season & McG has too imo. (And his confidence didn't look shot on Saturday when he scored his goal).

I agree the lone striker thing failed, but that's football - players get tried in different positions, some work, some don't, and some people on here forecast failure for everything all the time but it doesn't make them wise when they are right now and again.

My main complaint is that a lot of people on here are very quick to jump on the scapegoat band-wagon with our younger players because they have become tainted by the Lowe/JP connection & back unnquestioningly those that were perceived to be their victims - eg Skacel, Euell & Saga who are all okay, but not as great as people on here wish to believe they are

 

Your very first sentence in your reply to my original post told me not to turn every argument to fit my agenda, so it suggests that any opinion I make will be scrutinised by you to see whether there is an agenda behind it which is something that I resent a little when I am discussing football related matters rather than responding to political ones.

 

I agree that there have been players who have shown promise as youngsters and have not been given the chance to progress. The crux of the matter here with the scenario that unfolded this season was that although we were operating under severe financial restraints, it was not an imperative to play the inexperienced youngsters altogether. There was scope to have gone with a balanced blend of the youngsters with a spine of more experienced older pros and the benefit of that would obviously have been that they would have benefitted from the example of that experience. Those who forecast that the experiment of playing almost the entire team from youngsters would end in disaster have been vindicated, so they were at least wise before the event. As there was little or no precedent for such an experiment producing positive results at this level, it didn't take great prescience to have predicted it would most likely fail. I doubt that many who predicted failure draw much satisfaction from being proved right, as the resultant failure leaves us perilously close to the drop down to the third division, which nobody wants.

 

I agree that certain of the youngsters have grown with experience and show promise. I like the commitment and terrier tenacity shown by Gillett. James is improving, but I still have doubts on him playing right back and personally would prefer him at right midfield. For me though, McGoldrick blows hot and cold. Of the experienced pros, Scacel, Euell and Saganowski all offer good things playing alongside the youngsters, which is what should have been since the beginning of the season and then perhaps we might have accrued sufficient extra points to have been mid-table instead of fighting for our survival in this division. Quite what the likes of Pulis, Smith, Pekhart, Robinson, etc add/ed, who knows?

[Papa Shango]

We were lucky to get a draw, abysmal performance. As bad as any game this season probably, nobody really played that well for us.

[SNSUN]

Aside from thinking we've been down for a while (irrespective of the cute patch of form in February), it was three points or bust against Blackpool, and we didn't get it.

 

While mathmatically not impossible, I feel it is beyond us.

 

Can Norwich please come down with us. I won't hear the end of it from my missus if we go down and they stay up.

[Thedelldays]

Aside from thinking we've been down for a while (irrespective of the cute patch of form in February), it was three points or bust against Blackpool, and we didn't get it.

 

While mathmatically not impossible, I feel it is beyond us.

 

Can Norwich please come down with us. I won't hear the end of it from my missus if we go down and they stay up.

 

how was it 3 points or bust...?

 

we are a couple of poimys from safety with a game in hand and have an easier run in on paper than others..

[SNSUN]

how was it 3 points or bust...?

 

we are a couple of poimys from safety with a game in hand and have an easier run in on paper than others..

 

Well we'll see. I'm not filled with hope looking at the fixture list, and it remains a case of beating the teams above us, and hoping we pick up points against those higher in the league.

[Thedelldays]

Well we'll see. I'm not filled with hope looking at the fixture list, and it remains a case of beating the teams above us, and hoping we pick up points against those higher in the league.

i agree..i think we will go down

 

but to say saturday was win or bust is clearly wrong...seeing as we haev busted then so has everyone else around us so nothing has changed (other than one game less to go )

[LostBoys]

No game is win or bust unless it is that game which takes us down - but this is not far away now and any more first half performances against a better side than Blackpool who were dire and that time is coming.

[derry]

This is not quite correct.

 

Wotte's record actually extends over the whole season as he was a major part of the decision-making process that limited JPs options to only play kids whilst sidelining experienced quality players (whom we have still largely paid the wages for anyway!)

 

I am afraid I cannot review Wotte's input based on when he took over from JP, it is illogical to me as the damage was done at the start and middle of the season through a club policy that Wotte was central to.

 

Since JP left that policy has changed given the realisation of the nonsense it was - hence Wotte appearing to do better than JP.

 

To properly assess Wotte, you have to assess his contribution to the WHOLE season not just as coach under more relaxed club policies of player selection. He has contributed since last summer.

 

Portvliet detested Wotte. My post made no comment, it was a correction to an innaccurately given statistic. Wotte will be judged on the final position.