St Marco Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 Sounded like we were crap for 60-70mins and then came to life in last 20 mins. At the end of the day we have not lost. A loss would have been bad, but a draw is not exactly great. We need wins at this stage of the season. Draws are okay when you are not needing anything to either get promoted or to survive relegation, as someone once said draws are what kill you. 3 points from the last 12 is not good enough. We had a great chance to close the gap today and put things back in our hands with teams around us playing difficult teams. We failed to take advantage of that and that i think has been our problem all season. We are presented with opportunities and we don't take them. We now have a 2 week break. But after that we go into the final run in of the season. First up is Charlton. A 100% must win game, a draw will not be enough as teams around us are also playing each other that weekend. We cannot go into that game with the attitude we have shown in the last 4 games as we will lose. Charlton will be going down this year, if they lose to us it probably will be confirmed so they will be up for it, they will know lose and its over. We can't lose that game. It doesnt matter how results elsewhere go if we don't take our own. So good that the lads didn't lose but we have to win games now. Anything but a win against Charlton and that will be that.
Window Cleaner Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 Not as good a reaction as I would have thought really. True our result was mediocre but two others were better than could be hoped for. Wotte's record is now; P10 W3 D4 L3, 13 points, same as Pearson's from 12 before the Sheff U home game (if you don't count Plymouth of course). I would have thought that at least someone (other than me) would have said well done to the lads for fighting back and getting a point at Blackpool given the circumstances of the others losing.
Bailey Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 A point isn't a disaster considering that our relegation rivals failed to pick up maximum points, but it means that we have to beat Charlton. If we do that and then avoid defeat in our game in hand, things might not look as bad. After being 1 down at half-time, I probably would have settled for a point in truth. It's not over yet, we're still within touching distance, but there is a lot of work to be done!
badgerx16 Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 2 dropped I am afraid. Blackpool will be relieved. To quote the bloke sat next to me, ( yes I was with the home fans ), it shows how bad the division is if Blackpool can survive. Most 'Pool fans are still worried about the drop, despite their relatively hopeful league position. As for the game, we were much the better of two comparatively poor teams, ( my neighbour did also make comment about Sunday afternoon park football ), though the parlous league positions will undoubtedly have played on the players' minds. I thought we started brightly, Mule was putting himself about well, though we lacked guile around the box; with Blackpool losing out in midfield and tending to play nervously on the break the penalty was unexpected, and soft to say the least,. I think we lost our way a bit when Mule had to go off, and BWP replaced him, ( how on earth is he a professional player ? ). Gillett was making up for lack of inches with over-exuberant challenges, and was lucky not to get a yellow card. The save that KD tipped over was crucial, if we had gone 2 down I think we would have lost. Second half we pushed on, and left ourselves more open at the back as a result, but once we had equalised only 1 team was going to win. Saejis was superb, although he did get into a few awkward moments when he had to cover the RB slot, and Perry also did well. If only Surman's last gasp free kick had crept in. MOM Saejis for me. Stil reckon that Plymouth and Forest will go down with Charlton.
Saint_Jonny Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 Table hasnt changed much, we can still do this!! COYR!
badgerx16 Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 Table hasnt changed much, we can still do this!! COYR! Indeed, if we can beat Charlton on April 4th whilst Blackpool beat Plymouth and Barnsley beat Forest, we will be out of the bottom three.
Mole Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 A point is ok. Nothing to be happy about really though - it still leaves us in the weeds.
Deano6 Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 If ifs and ands were pots and pans, there'd be no work for tinkers' hands.
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 Thats three points from the last 12 possible. If we were a racehorse, I would say we were starting to get tailed off...
badgerx16 Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 If ifs and ands were pots and pans, there'd be no work for tinkers' hands. And if you wanted an easy life, you wouldn't be a Saints fan
badgerx16 Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 Thats three points from the last 12 possible. If we were a racehorse, I would say we were starting to get tailed off... We are just lulling the teams above us into a false sense of security.
Deano6 Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 And if you wanted an easy life, you wouldn't be a Saints fan I thought I'd try being a Man Utd fan for the last 2 weeks
badgerx16 Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 I thought I'd try being a Man Utd fan for the last 2 weeks That explains a lot
southamptonfclegend Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 Mark Wotte seems to be delighted with our 'form' "We are on a good run and I know we needed three points but I cannot judge right now if we lost two points or if we won one today." three draws in a row? a good run?
Charlie Wayman Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 We are what we are, a poor side with no stomach for the fight. We are dying with a whimper. How sad to see us slipping away almost unnoticed... R.I.P. At least SMS can be rented out to Pompey now that they've run out of dosh. Totton's new ground should be adequate for our needs for a year or two.
Oz Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 As it stands winning our game in hand 3-O would save us, all other things being equal. How good it that? 3-0 away at the hornets, i do not think so
.comsaint Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 Mark Wotte seems to be delighted with our 'form' "We are on a good run and I know we needed three points but I cannot judge right now if we lost two points or if we won one today." three draws in a row? a good run? I guess he's just saying that - taking our last 7 consecutive games in a row - we have won 3, drawn 3 and lost just 1. We have been pretty sheite this season in general - and Wotte knows this. He's just saying that for a side battling for their lives - we're not doing too bad lately...which we're not...for a side down in the doldrums! Our "form" is keeping us in touch with the other stragglers. Nothing more. Nothing less.
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 Just back from game. Two very poor teams and a terrible game with lots of huff and puff and little skill displayed. Saints were up against a hard working home side as well as the ref and the local police/stewards who seemed intent on trying to intimidate aways fans at times. My player ratings. Davis 6 one great save in first half. Thomson 4 poor passing and crossing let him down. Skacel 6 wasted at left back IMO. Saejis 7 another good performance. Perry 6 steady and reliale again. Surman 6 unlucky at end with free kick but needs to impose himself more. McGoldrick 6 some nce touches at times and eventually got in a decent shot after air kicks previously. Gillett 8 another all action display and got stuck in unlike alot of others. Schiederlin 6 some neat touches but no penertration where it mattered. Saga 6 worked hard at times but kept falling/slipping over. Euell 6 won alot of headers before getting injured. Subs BWP 5 Fell over or knocked off ball. Wotton 2 League 2 standard at best. Lallana not enough time to judge.
badgerx16 Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 Just back from game. Two very poor teams and a terrible game with lots of huff and puff and little skill displayed. Saints were up against a hard working home side as well as the ref and the local police/stewards who seemed intent on trying to intimidate aways fans at times. . What was all the kerfuffle about during the first half ? All I saw was a horde of plod piling in and a few saints fans trying to extricate themselves.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 We're fooked more with each game not won. We're down.
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 What was all the kerfuffle about during the first half ? All I saw was a horde of plod piling in and a few saints fans trying to extricate themselves. I was nearby and saw a saints fan give the useless ref stick from side of pitch and then get jumped on by police and led away. Over the top reaction IMO.
badgerx16 Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 I was nearby and saw a saints fan give the useless ref stick from side of pitch and then get jumped on by police and led away. Over the top reaction IMO. My son did comment that the ref was their best player.
Leicestersaint Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 We just don't seem to be able to win, alas. We're poor but I still think we will avoid the drop - on the last day of the season at 4.45 pm.
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 Can we please hound out Lowe now? Sooner the better..
adj250770 Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 We just don't seem to be able to win, alas. We're poor but I still think we will avoid the drop - on the last day of the season at 4.45 pm. I dont want to be waiting over an our after everyone else finishes to know our fate!!
Window Cleaner Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 How do Blackpool survive on crowds of just under 8K??
Alain Perrin Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 Anything but a win against Charlton and that will be that. I don't agree. There are two factors here, how we do, and how others do. If we were to draw Charlton and our relegation rivals get nothing, then that is a result. Last year we had wrist slitters on here when, if you looked at the opposition, they were playing each other a lot. Not so much of a factor this year mind. BUT all we've got to do is do better than (imho) Forest and Plymouth. Draws wins, I don't care, just better. Personally I think if we drew every game to the end of the season that might be enough. Winning would obviously be better though!
VectisSaint Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 How do Blackpool survive on crowds of just under 8K?? Don't know, but would guess we'll have a better idea next season
Window Cleaner Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 I don't agree. There are two factors here, how we do, and how others do. If we were to draw Charlton and our relegation rivals get nothing, then that is a result. Last year we had wrist slitters on here when, if you looked at the opposition, they were playing each other a lot. Not so much of a factor this year mind. BUT all we've got to do is do better than (imho) Forest and Plymouth. Draws wins, I don't care, just better. Personally I think if we drew every game to the end of the season that might be enough. Winning would obviously be better though! Too true. I just can't see where Plymouth are going to get another 8 points from. Forest are erratic but come final day we'll probably be in with an equal chance of survival on a winner takes all basis, but we need to be in a position where the draw favours us and not them.
sidthesquid Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 Thats three points from the last 12 possible. If we were a racehorse, I would say we were starting to get tailed off... I'd say knacker's yard here we come
M271 Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 Just back from the match and agree with Andy Northern Saint except: Davis 7 Didn't look too troubled, and couldn't do much about the penalty. Thomson 5 poor passing and crossing let him down yes (at times), but did get into some good positions without always an end result. McGoldrick 7 good goal and did some nice touches in mid field Schiederlin 4 I thought that he was poor and deserved the half time substitution. Subs Wotton 5 I thought that he did OK and contributed to an improved performance in the second half. Other points: The penalty was very soft, I thought the referee was going to book the Blackpool player for going over too easily. As he gave the penalty the ref indicated a push, but I didn't see 'the push'. As the ref left the ground after the match I overheard him say that it was a 'frantic' match. I didn't think that it was that frantic, but if he did maybe that's why he booked so many players (6). Saints first half performance was very poor, second half much better and could have won it with the last minute freekick, but Saints never win the last kick of the match do they !! Saints seem to have lost again the free flowing football that they had for the 3 wins in a row and there moves break down too easily. Poor passing, poor running off the ball and lack of pace being major problems.
Saintjersey Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 At half time would have a taken a point. Only problem is that goal by McGoldrick has just sealed the next part of his contract which says he has to play every game for the next two years.
Wes Tender Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 So we haven't managed to beat Blackpool this season and have one point out of the 6 available against them, whereas we have been generosity itself and gifted them 4 points. We have also failed to capitalise against the teams around us at the bottom of this division when we have played them. We are absolutely, completely and utterly crap and deserve to go down.
Window Cleaner Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 At half time would have a taken a point. Only problem is that goal by McGoldrick has just sealed the next part of his contract which says he has to play every game for the next two years. He'll be sold this summer for a very fair price. We don't appreciate him, others are less discerning. He is probably our second most saleable asset just now.
corky morris Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 I have been back a while now. Went with my middle lad & dad. I thought we were shocking for the first 75 minutes. Never a pen, but that could not hide how bad we were. Blackpool also a very poor side, but were better than us for 3/4 of the game. McGoldrick scored a cracking goal, but was our worst player before that. He then was probably one of our best. Not sure why we were so bad then so full of energy & guile. Great save from Davies at 1-0 kept us in the game. Did we have a shot on target before we scored? Worst ref I have seen this season & that is saying something. My Ratings Davies 7 - Great save to keep us in it Thomson 6 - Looked as if he had been told not to venture too far forward Perry 8 - Our best player today IMHO Skacel 6 - Tried hard, but not at his best Schneiderlin 5 - Never really in the game Gillett 6 - Tries hard, but does not create much McGoldrick 7 - Would have been 4, but showed what he can do for last 15 minutes Surman 6 - Great free kick, but not really any good going forward Euell 6 - Won stuff in the air, but not really on the park long enough Saga 6 - Dont think he had a shot all day. Works tirelessly for the team though Subs Wotton 7 - I thought we looked better with him in the side. Protects back 4 more than Gillett BWP 6 - Ran around, but rarely threatened Lallana 6 - Too late to make any impact. Two things really stood out for me. Firstly - both teams are pretty poor. And if JP had been given the benefit of Saga, Skacel & Seijas I am not sure we would be where we are now. All those shouting about how good Wotte was after 3 wins look a little silly now IMHO. His tactics were non - existent & it was as if Wotton, Perry & Seijas were the guys who eventually got us going. It looks very tough. We can do it, but why cant we go & get a Campbell on loan rather than some of the **** we have had this season?
Born In The 80s Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 At half time would have a taken a point. Only problem is that goal by McGoldrick has just sealed the next part of his contract which says he has to play every game for the next two years. I've started reading this forum a lot recently and i am always stunned as to why McGoldrick gets so much abuse. People calling him stuff like "McGoaldrought" is stupid. It is CLEAR that he is very talented with the ball at his feet (his first touch is great, dribbles well, strong) to anyone who knows anything about football. Compare his overall ability to Euell for example, and McGoldrick scrubs up better for most if not all the qualities to being a good front man. I am assuming that the majority of people who hate him and want him sold don't go to games and just judge him on his goal scoring record, which at the minute isn't great but chat to any of the academy coaches down there and they'll all tell you that he is an extremely talented GOALSCORER. These guys aren't all wrong. He will develop into a very good player. People forget, whenever he has played up front it has usually been on his own and he has been completely starved of any service. Give the guy time, let him develop and get off his back.
maxi_sopez Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 Got back from the game First half was so awful, felt at half time we deserved to go down it was that bad. Then second half was so much better, what an improvement......Never been so gutted when Surman hit the post....heartbreak.. Also first away game in a while, some of are fans are ****ing annoying...
InvictaSaint Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 I've started reading this forum a lot recently and i am always stunned as to why McGoldrick gets so much abuse. People calling him stuff like "McGoaldrought" is stupid. It is CLEAR that he is very talented with the ball at his feet (his first touch is great, dribbles well, strong) to anyone who knows anything about football. Compare his overall ability to Euell for example, and McGoldrick scrubs up better for most if not all the qualities to being a good front man. I am assuming that the majority of people who hate him and want him sold don't go to games and just judge him on his goal scoring record, which at the minute isn't great but chat to any of the academy coaches down there and they'll all tell you that he is an extremely talented GOALSCORER. These guys aren't all wrong. He will develop into a very good player. People forget, whenever he has played up front it has usually been on his own and he has been completely starved of any service. Give the guy time, let him develop and get off his back. He is probably the laziest, slowest, least motivated player I have seen in a Saints shirt for many a year. He doesn't read the game well, doesn't know how to make space for others or pull other players out of the game. He does occasionally spark into life, but flickers all too briefly. Strange first post. A more cynical person might think you were....oh, I don't know - his Chairman........
SaintRobbie Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 He is probably the laziest, slowest, least motivated player I have seen in a Saints shirt for many a year. He doesn't read the game well, doesn't know how to make space for others or pull other players out of the game. He does occasionally spark into life, but flickers all too briefly. Strange first post. A more cynical person might think you were....oh, I don't know - his Chairman........ DMG has been put under too much pressure , too early. Its not his fault, but I worry that this daft policy of playing him once his confidence was clearly shot hasnt permanently broken him. Though he may have given us a lifeline today. DMG the next Dexter Blackstock? So near to doing well yet so far?
Saintjersey Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 I've started reading this forum a lot recently and i am always stunned as to why McGoldrick gets so much abuse. People calling him stuff like "McGoaldrought" is stupid. It is CLEAR that he is very talented with the ball at his feet (his first touch is great, dribbles well, strong) to anyone who knows anything about football. Compare his overall ability to Euell for example, and McGoldrick scrubs up better for most if not all the qualities to being a good front man. I am assuming that the majority of people who hate him and want him sold don't go to games and just judge him on his goal scoring record, which at the minute isn't great but chat to any of the academy coaches down there and they'll all tell you that he is an extremely talented GOALSCORER. These guys aren't all wrong. He will develop into a very good player. People forget, whenever he has played up front it has usually been on his own and he has been completely starved of any service. Give the guy time, let him develop and get off his back. Yes I have been to many games this season and watched him play. The main thing that people dislike about him is his attitude, where most of the time he looks like he doesn't give a s***. I remember the game against Doncaster well when he was clean through on goal and he actually kicked the turf instead of the ball......... interesting how you can still say he is very talented when the idea of football is for your foot to kick the ball? That's for anybody who knows anything about football. I don't care if he is looking like the best footballer in the world on the training ground, if he can't reproduce it on the pitch (like he has failed to do most games) then he doesn't deserve to keep his place. I'm guessing this why coaches call him talented as they are just talking about training........ if they are talking about the matches he has played in then quite honestly they don't deserve to be in the professional job of a coach.
Saintjersey Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 thinks that 11 for season for DMG In about 40 games with 3 being penalties.
InvictaSaint Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 In about 40 games with 3 being penalties. And, if the Derby (away) winner is included, one which is actually Lallana's.
brmbrm Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 I've started reading this forum a lot recently and i am always stunned as to why McGoldrick gets so much abuse. People calling him stuff like "McGoaldrought" is stupid. It is CLEAR that he is very talented with the ball at his feet (his first touch is great, dribbles well, strong) to anyone who knows anything about football. Compare his overall ability to Euell for example, and McGoldrick scrubs up better for most if not all the qualities to being a good front man. You are seriously taking the ******, aren't you? His first touch is shocking - i reckon that is one of his major weaknesses.
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 Still 7 games to play. But we are not 1/2 to be relegated for nothing. Get on soon as our odds will tighten up after we fail to beat Charlton at home.
saintrich Posted 21 March, 2009 Posted 21 March, 2009 a fair result. soft penalty, but we were very poor for most of the game. match report on here tomorrow.
St Marco Posted 22 March, 2009 Posted 22 March, 2009 Too true. I just can't see where Plymouth are going to get another 8 points from. Forest are erratic but come final day we'll probably be in with an equal chance of survival on a winner takes all basis, but we need to be in a position where the draw favours us and not them. Think this just lacks a bit of knowledge really. Plymouth have beaten Wolves away, Watford and drew with reading in recent weeks. They have just played a Burnley which in my opinion are one of the best teams in this league and are currently top of the form league. A loss to them does not = down.... In their last 7 games they got 8 points so why can't they do that again in their next 7? Forest have won the same amount as we have in the past 6 games in fact we have got just 2 more points them then in the past 6. Their last 2 games have been against Burnley and Wolves which they lost. We have yet to have those fixtures and if current form is anything to go by we will lose, especially seeing as Burnley have scored something like 15 goals in their last 6 games while we have mustered a whopping 6! And this is what people just seem so dumb to see. We have tough games ahead of us against teams all catching some form. We got Charlton a team that are rock bottom and good as down, if we can't beat them at home then how will we beat teams like Wolves away?! We have to play in form Burnley, just those 2 games we would be lucky to get something. So assuming we don't leaves 5 games of which gives 15 points. Seeing as we already need 4 points just to get out leaves 11 points. Basically meaning we must win 4-5 games. I would trade for Plymouth's fixtures any day of the week, Blackpool,Doncaster,Coventry,Barnsley. 4 of their 7 games against teams in the bottom 10 of the table. We are the team that needs to win games. Lose against Charlton and Plymouth beat Blackpool takes them 7 points clear of us. So as i said lose that one and that will be it. It won't mathimatically be over until its over, but i think even the most biased of supporter must admit coming back from 7 points with 6 games of which 2 of those are against possibly the two best teams in the league right now is very very unlikely.
Jonnyboy Posted 22 March, 2009 Posted 22 March, 2009 If we dont beat Charlton the fans and me will go mental, worse than Doncaster match
Not On My Watch Posted 22 March, 2009 Posted 22 March, 2009 All this negativity! Yes, you would think we should have won one of the last three but the truth is our position has still improved over these games. Saying we are already down is absolutely ridiculous, just look at the table. Sure it will be a struggle but we are still there. You would think we have to win one of the next two but the teams around us aren't actually doing too well either. We have made up ground and we can do this. Writing us off now is non-sensical and wrong. COYR
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