Quiet this site, nowadays....

[sambosa75]

Thanks for proving my point succinctly..

 

Doesnt make it not true though does it?

 

You like to stir it up, have a few arguments on here etc... and still have a go at doing it when the majority of fans are more interested in supporting the team and hoping we stay up.

 

You can always rely on trusty old Alps to try and stir it up with a thread stating how quiet it is. No Alps, its not necessarily quiet, its just not full of threads with fans arguing amongst themselves because they can see that the players on the pitch are trying at the moment and have as a result given themselves a chance of survival which is more important than constant petit squabbling on an internet forum.

 

And yes, I see the irony in what I post. I just like to give you what you want!

[St_Tel49]

I really don't think the divisions will be healed until a) Lowe and that other man have gone, and b) the club starts rising again.

 

If we get relegated then the **** really will hit the fan and also when season tickets are renewed we'll see the real extent of the protest.

 

Really? Which fan are going to hit ;-)

[Chez]

Obviously for someone like yourself who doesnt attend matches no matter what your circumstances may be, its not really a concern for you who we play against.

 

I have considered this carefully and I have to say that when I can't attend an away game for any reason (bloody family weddings during the footie season pah) it hurts more when we lose and I have only been able to listened to the game or see the result on teletext.

 

If I am at the game I can get things off my chest (apologies to anyone sat near me when I vent my frustration at yet another aimless hoof from Wotton), understand how the game went, see the effort players put in, witness the hardluck stories first hand and in general see what happened and understand that the game is not just all about the result. If you don't attend then the result is all you have so if it doesn't go the right way it hurts like hell.

 

For that reason I wholeheartedly disagree that remote fans feel less pain when Saints struggle. Non attendees for any reason perhaps feel it more than me.

[Thedelldays]

wowzers

[Red and White Army]

Is it because we all deep-down (including the loud-mouthed happy-clappies) are resigned to relegation, and are just worn out by the whole thing ?

 

Losers like you make this forum so quiet, spamming every thread with your relentess inane negativity which drives people away.

[Wes Tender]

Speaking purely for myself, it's a combination at depression at the club's plight and boredom at the tedious bickering on here.

 

The majority of posters on here just throw insults and statistics at each other, and quite frankly neither 'camp' have a tenable argument.

 

All very well to make this assertion, but without providing details of why you think the arguments from neither camp are tenable, it is just hot air.

 

(Note - please read the entire post before reacting to this next bit) For all but 6 months of that time the club has been run by either Rupert or Wilde, so whatever way you wrap it up, blaming Crouch for this club's plight over the longer term is simply not a valid or justifiable argument.

 

As for Crouch, while I have a little bit more time for him, he is clearly an idiot when it comes to business and the politics that come with it.

 

The guy has built up a group of businesses in a competitive sector of the market from nothing and the value of those businesses is greater than those of Lowe and Wilde. Does that make them bigger idiots than him? You might have a point regarding the political aspects, but then he has always been the head honcho before, so not used to not getting his own way. Another individual that finds it hard not to have his own way all the time, is Lowe. .

 

He was caught up in the anti-Lowe tide and completely and irresponsibly failed to complete any due diligence to make sure he and Wilde could afford to dump Lowe so humiliatingly, and then dumped Wilde without either the funds himself or investors lined up to do this.

 

Why was due diligence required to call the EGM? On the face of it, the share grouping that Wilde and Crouch possessed, allied with others, was perfectly sufficient to oust Lowe. It was what happened next that was the problem, with Wilde being ousted by the very people who he had brought in as the board. Crouch had very little to do with that. Agreed that they had hoped to bring in investment and failed to do so, but then again, we have had no decent investment since Lowe took over either.

 

 

Add in his childish behaviour at the last AGM and you can tell he still hasn't learned to stop playing the popularity contest and start thinking like a businessman.

 

Granted that Crouch's outburst at the AGM was churlish, but Lowe's behaviour at the AGM was possibly deliberately antagonistic towards Crouch and arguably worse as he was chairing the AGM. Needless to say, Lowe didn't utter one word of criticism at Wilde, without whose shares in support of him, he would still be out in the wilderness.

 

This has led to a completely divided shareholding, led by three entirely devisive figures, and a disasterous financial position. In turn, we are getting worse on the pitch (over the longer term) so are now staring both administration and relegation in the face.

 

Nothing to disagree with here.

 

While we've been in a similar position for a couple of years there was previously hope that something might happen. I think this hope is now gone. Our performances on the pitch and financially are feeding each other in a downward spiral, and the only thing that will break this cycle is a takeover; at one point this looked viable, but our finacial position is worse, we'll probably be a further division down come May, and as evidenced before, the factions in the shareholding make a takeover difficult. Who in their right mind would take us over now?

 

I disagree that a takeover is our only choice. It would be the preferred choice, but otherwise we might survive and prosper if the current board resigned and was replaced with a board comprising independent professional executives who had applied for the post following the vacancies being advertised.

 

So on a wider level there is despair, and many fans wrestle with deciding whether they can bare to watch.

 

I'll keep my clothes on thank you.

 

Those that do have seen poor result after poor result at home, those that don't have seen few signs to encourage them back. They hate the board, are frustrated at the club's plight, and would have to be massochistic beyond belief to add to this by reading a load of sniping on an internet forum (especially as they have to pay to engage properly).

 

So most normal people with a balanced view, with no particular axe to grind, and no massochistic tendancies are understandably giving this place a wdie berth ... unless they are particularly bored one Thursday evening and decidied to have a look for the first time in a while.

 

That's my answer, anyway.

 

So to paraphrase the last paragraph, those who post on here more than when they are feeling particularly bored, are mostly not normal,have an axe to grind and are masochists. Thanks. You don't see this as being the internet equivalent of having a good old natter about the club down the boozer then?

[alpine_saint]

Losers like you make this forum so quiet, spamming every thread with your relentess inane negativity which drives people away.

 

Cheerio then. You dont bring anything to this site apart from whinging about me anyway.

[sambosa75]

I have considered this carefully and I have to say that when I can't attend an away game for any reason (bloody family weddings during the footie season pah) it hurts more when we lose and I have only been able to listened to the game or see the result on teletext.

 

If I am at the game I can get things off my chest (apologies to anyone sat near me when I vent my frustration at yet another aimless hoof from Wotton), understand how the game went, see the effort players put in, witness the hardluck stories first hand and in general see what happened and understand that the game is not just all about the result. If you don't attend then the result is all you have so if it doesn't go the right way it hurts like hell.

 

For that reason I wholeheartedly disagree that remote fans feel less pain when Saints struggle. Non attendees for any reason perhaps feel it more than me.

 

My comment was more aimed at the people who have such strong and extreme opinions such as Alps but never attend a match. I understand why he doesnt and I am sure he would if he still lived locally etc... but then I would respect his opinion which he tries to get people take for gospel. At the moment, his arguments arent valid because I think for most people who can still get to games, I think the realisation that if we dont put our petit squabbles and differences aside, we definately will go down, whereas is we all pull in the same direction, we've given ourselves a chance of staying up.

 

I just feel the fact we all dont seem to be at eachothers throat across an internet forum needs to be pointed out. Especially by someone such as Alps who has, shall we say, a bit of history with starting or being involved in arguments on a quite consistent basis.

 

Sorry if I insulted people who dont attend games. I live in London and dont get to all the games but then I dont comment on the games that I dont go to. Simples.

[alpine_saint]

I think the realisation that if we dont put our petit squabbles and differences aside, we definately will go down, whereas is we all pull in the same direction, we've given ourselves a chance of staying up.

 

 

What complete ******.

 

We will stay up or go down on the basis of what one manager does with 11 players on a field in the last 8 games. Period.

 

It has absolutely f**k all to do with the fans now. You are completely deluding yourself.

 

No wonder you spout shiite about what fan is entitled to comment on what aspect of the club with cookoo notions like that floating round in your head.

[NickG]

If we are both in CCC next season who would fair better?

 

Saints

no money

possibly financially stabilised by then

probably much same squad

no money for signings

experience of this league

squad would have finished on high if stay up

 

 

Skates

parachute payment

huge debts

poor home support

possibly some money for signings

demotivated squad following relegation

surely lose -David James, Sol Campbell, Crouch, Glen Johnson -possibly others

 

What a daft question.

 

 

reactions like this don't help alpine

[Johnny Shearer]

What complete ******.

 

We will stay up or go down on the basis of what one manager does with 11 players on a field in the last 8 games. Period.

 

It has absolutely f**k all to do with the fans now. You are completely deluding yourself.

 

No wonder you spout shiite about what fan is entitled to comment on what aspect of the club with cookoo notions like that floating round in your head.

 

See I'd argue that the fans can play an important role in whether we stay up or not.

 

A booing, baying crowd getting on the player's backs will have some impact on their form and play.

 

Whereas a positive, loud crowd will help with motivation and morale surely?

 

In the first instance players are gonna come along and think whats the point surely? However in the second they'd have a little more affinity for the fans and the club if they are supported.

 

Oh and the site is quiet most likely due to the poor football of Saints that gets discussed. The constant bickering and the cycle of continuous repetition of the same topics!

Edited 20 March, 2009 by Johnny Shearer

[alpine_saint]

See I'd argue that the fans can play an important role in whether we stay up or not.

 

A booing, baying crowd getting on the player's backs will have some impact on their form and play.

 

Whereas a positive, loud crowd will help with motivation and morale surely?

 

In the first instance players are gonna come along and think whats the point surely? However in the second they'd have a little more affinity for the fans and the club if they are supported.

 

Oh and the site is quiet most likely due to the poor football of Saints that gets discussed. The constant bickering and the cycle of continuous repetition of the same topics!

 

In my opinion our fate will be settled, one way or the other, tomorrow afternoon.

 

An AWAY match....

[um pahars]

See I'd argue that the fans can play an important role in whether we stay up or not.

 

A booing, baying crowd getting on the player's backs will have some impact on their form and play.

 

Whereas a positive, loud crowd will help with motivation and morale surely?

 

I think we overplay the effect supporters can play in keeping us up.

 

Whilst I accept a baying 60,000 crowd might get on the back of the referee or the opposition, I don't really think even a full house at SMS is that intimidating.

 

The size of the crowd is very much driven by performances on the pitch, which is common throughout the divisions, and of course, I would have to argue that whilst there haven't been sell outs at SMS this season, there certainly hasn't been a booing, baying crowd either.

[Chez]

normally I'd agree but there have been several games in the last couple of seasons that seemed to turn when the entire crowd started singing red and white army or OWTS continuously. The players seemed to react and up their levels leading to goals. Coinicidence perhaps but certainly noticeable.

[um pahars]

normally I'd agree but there have been several games in the last couple of seasons that seemed to turn when the entire crowd started singing red and white army or OWTS continuously. The players seemed to react and up their levels leading to goals. Coinicidence perhaps but certainly noticeable.

 

And conversely, I can remember big crowds where we have performed poorly in return for some good support e.g. Forest this year, QPR a while back etc etc etc.

[Johnny Shearer]

In my opinion our fate will be settled, one way or the other, tomorrow afternoon.

 

An AWAY match....

 

Fair enough if thats what you think. I'll carry on hoping until I know its a certainty.

 

I think we overplay the effect supporters can play in keeping us up.

 

Whilst I accept a baying 60,000 crowd might get on the back of the referee or the opposition, I don't really think even a full house at SMS is that intimidating.

 

The size of the crowd is very much driven by performances on the pitch, which is common throughout the divisions, and of course, I would have to argue that whilst there haven't been sell outs at SMS this season, there certainly hasn't been a booing, baying crowd either.

 

I wasn't saying that Saints fans have been booing. I was talking in general how fans can in some instances affect games and others they just don't.

 

Its a combination of factors. As Alpine stated he thinks it comes down to the manager and the players whereas I'd say its more than just that. Don't get me wrong a thorough professional team will get on with it regardless of whats around them whereas others will play to the crowd etc.

[Red and White Army]

Cheerio then. You dont bring anything to this site apart from whinging about me anyway.

 

That is because I can't be arsed posting, because of you. Like dozens of others.

[Chewy]

So to paraphrase the last paragraph, those who post on here more than when they are feeling particularly bored, are mostly not normal,have an axe to grind and are masochists. Thanks. You don't see this as being the internet equivalent of having a good old natter about the club down the boozer then?

 

As an initial response to the points you've made, it is this type of posting which keeps many people from here. I offered my opinion on why many people are not posting as frequently, and you've dissected what I said to the nth degree, and in turn tried to point out how Lowe is worse than Crouch.

 

This is so DULL.

 

More specifically to answer your points, neither argument is tenable because (as I said) those supporting the current board are supporting two people who between them have been in control for all but 6 months of the last dozen years, a period which has seen us be the second biggest footballing disaster in the country.

 

Those that support Crouch are supporting someone who enginered a semi-takeover and failed. Perhpas calling him an idiot was a bit OTT, and I accept he has had business success outside of football, but esentially he failed to deliver the promised investment, caused a permanent breakdown in relations with Lowe and Crouch, and ended up getting voted off a board of his making!

 

Whether this was because he's used to getting his own way, found it hard to make tough business decisions when dealing with a football club he loves or because his ego liked the fact he was seen as the saviour by many fans is beside the point. I used the term 'due dilligence' as a turn of phrase, and did not mean it technically or legally. What I meant was it might have been an idea to check when Wilde said I'll get some investors with loadsamoney that he wasn't talking utter sh1te.

 

Regarding a takeover being the only option, theoretically I agree with you that we could have an independent board, but we we've had a board of execs before, and the key shareholders didn't like it because they weren't in control of their investment which looked like it was going down the drain. As we are still in this situation, I can not see any reason why the key players would relinquish control of their money, so while in theory you're right, in practice this will not happen.

 

Sorry about the typo.

 

And ok, maybe you're not all mad massochists on here, but I've reached the point where I'm so depressed (the hangover's not helping the mood) I don't want to have either an internet equivalent of having a natter about Saints down the pub or indeed the real thing.

 

Anyway, roll on 5 o'clock when I know whether I'm more depressed, or cruelly given hope that we may avoid the inevitable at the end of the season ...

[Gingeletiss]

Those that support Crouch are supporting someone who enginered a semi-takeover and failed. Perhpas calling him an idiot was a bit OTT, and I accept he has had business success outside of football, but esentially he failed to deliver the promised investment, caused a permanent breakdown in relations with Lowe and Crouch, and ended up getting voted off a board of his making!:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

 

Whether this was because he's used to getting his own way, found it hard to make tough business decisions when dealing with a football club he loves or because his ego liked the fact he was seen as the saviour by many fans is beside the point. I used the term 'due dilligence' as a turn of phrase, and did not mean it technically or legally. What I meant was it might have been an idea to check when Wilde said I'll get some investors with loadsamoney that he wasn't talking utter sh1te.

 

As for Crouch, while I have a little bit more time for him, he is clearly an idiot when it comes to business and the politics that come with it. He was caught up in the anti-Lowe tide and completely and irresponsibly failed to complete any due diligence to make sure he and Wilde could afford to dump Lowe so humiliatingly, and then dumped Wilde without either the funds himself or investors lined up to do this. Add in his childish behaviour at the last AGM and you can tell he still hasn't learned to stop playing the popularity contest and start thinking like a businessman.

 

The above is what you posted origionaly, the quote is in your reply to Wes, however, this has left me confused, as they refer to two different people, Who did you call an 'idiot' Crouch or Wilde??, as Wilde is not a great buisness man, and Crouch was only in the chair for six months.....Yes!! that is six months ffs, only someone expecting miracles, would expect the mess left him previously, would be sorted out in six months.

[Chewy]

The above is what you posted origionaly, the quote is in your reply to Wes, however, this has left me confused, as they refer to two different people, Who did you call an 'idiot' Crouch or Wilde??, as Wilde is not a great buisness man, and Crouch was only in the chair for six months.....Yes!! that is six months ffs, only someone expecting miracles, would expect the mess left him previously, would be sorted out in six months.

 

Apologies, I meant Lowe and Wilde. Big company do last night and brain not working too well. I can't edit the post either, so it'll have to remain.

[View From The Top]

Is it because we all deep-down (including the loud-mouthed happy-clappies) are resigned to relegation, and are just worn out by the whole thing ?

 

This used to be the 1st site I visited everyday. Now I hardly bother.

 

The main site is sh it, full of the same boring, repetitive boll ocks from a small bunch of self opinionated co cks, The Lounge isn't 10% of what it used to be and I don't bother with the rest apart from an odd mooch around the PC/Games stuff and the General Sports.

[Under Weststand]

I just think its endemic of the situation we find our club in. We've had the on going debate about whose fault it all is, and it does tend to wear people down. There seems to be little of any ray of hope coming from the club. People just want to discuss with some form of optimism about football mostly not this ongoing c**p about the board room. The sooner we can get back to football & not the W**Kers in the board room the better for SFC & this forum. There seems to be an apathy sourounding our club at the moment. When you feel there is nothing to be positive about then you usually don't like to talk about it. When people comment about Saints at work I just roll my eyes & try to change the subject, I'd rather be boring them stupid with how good we are. If & when we pick up the apathy will disapear & the forum will also pick up in its mood.

[Wes Tender]

And ok, maybe you're not all mad massochists on here, but I've reached the point where I'm so depressed (the hangover's not helping the mood) I don't want to have either an internet equivalent of having a natter about Saints down the pub or indeed the real thing.

 

Anyway, roll on 5 o'clock when I know whether I'm more depressed, or cruelly given hope that we may avoid the inevitable at the end of the season ...

 

Thanks for taking the time to respond civilly to those few points that I raised and clarifying a couple of things.

 

So having passed the 5 o'clock mark, are you feeling more depressed and have you given up hope that we may avoid the drop?

 

I'm afraid that bar a miracle, I have, regrettably.

[SaintRobbie]

shhhhhhh!

[Chewy]

Thanks for taking the time to respond civilly to those few points that I raised and clarifying a couple of things.

 

So having passed the 5 o'clock mark, are you feeling more depressed and have you given up hope that we may avoid the drop?

 

I'm afraid that bar a miracle, I have, regrettably.

 

The fact I couldn't bear to come on this site for the next day or so probably answers your question. But then I stupidly looked at the fixtures and thought 3 points at home to Caharlton plus winning our game in hand at Watford and maybe, just maybe ...

 

I just want to go to sleep until May and find out what happened without going through the range of emotions, but maybe all these emotions are the reason for supporting your club. I'm not sure, all I know is it's very painful at the moment.

[OldNick]

Thanks for taking the time to respond civilly to those few points that I raised and clarifying a couple of things.

 

So having passed the 5 o'clock mark, are you feeling more depressed and have you given up hope that we may avoid the drop?

 

I'm afraid that bar a miracle, I have, regrettably.

Wes why is it going to be a miricle if we stay up.Are you saying that if we were 4 points clear we would be safe?

Some were saying we were down with 14 games to go, others had been saying we would be down at christmas and that we would have the lowest points total ever.Yes it is difficult but not a miracle needed to survive.

[Wes Tender]

Wes why is it going to be a miricle if we stay up.Are you saying that if we were 4 points clear we would be safe?

Some were saying we were down with 14 games to go, others had been saying we would be down at christmas and that we would have the lowest points total ever.Yes it is difficult but not a miracle needed to survive.

 

Well, we obviously have a different perspective as to what the likelihood is of our survival. You rate the situation as difficult, but when we can't beat teams around us like Blackpool and furthermore for large parts of the game they looked the better side, then my opinion on matters is not explained away by adjectives such as dificult. My current state of mind of our parlous position requires something a lot stronger.

[Give it to Ron]

Wes why is it going to be a miricle if we stay up.Are you saying that if we were 4 points clear we would be safe?

.

 

Because for the majority of the match we were abysmal and out played by a shocking Blackpool side.

We had no shape, pattern of play, committment, fight or even skill.

Blackpool had a pattern to their play and I could see what they were trying to do....we just lump the ball and hope we get someone close to it.

There was one period that 6 times we just gave the ball to the opposition without getting it near one of our players.

Thanks heavens we had Size, KD and the excellent Perry.

[Thedelldays]

Because for the majority of the match we were abysmal and out played by a shocking Blackpool side.

We had no shape, pattern of play, committment, fight or even skill.

Blackpool had a pattern to their play and I could see what they were trying to do....we just lump the ball and hope we get someone close to it.

There was one period that 6 times we just gave the ball to the opposition without getting it near one of our players.

Thanks heavens we had Size, KD and the excellent Perry.

and yet we did not lose

 

being abysmal and drawing away from home is not ideal but not the end of the world

 

 

personally, i think we will go down..but others like stanley are suggesting we are going down without a fight is quite frankly, a joke

[Wes Tender]

and yet we did not lose

 

being abysmal and drawing away from home is not ideal but not the end of the world

 

 

personally, i think we will go down..but others like stanley are suggesting we are going down without a fight is quite frankly, a joke

 

Going down without a fight is drawing or losing matches against those rivals who are also in the drop zone. Fighting for your existence in this division is beating them and other teams above you.

[Give it to Ron]

and yet we did not lose

 

being abysmal and drawing away from home is not ideal but not the end of the world

 

 

personally, i think we will go down..but others like stanley are suggesting we are going down without a fight is quite frankly, a joke

 

We were lucky we were not 3 - 0 down at half-time, Brett missed a free header from 12 yards and KD made a great save.

Had we started like we did for the last 20 minutes we might of won and fair play to Wotte for the changes he made as Wotton made a big difference as we had 2 competing rather than just Gillet.

Defensively we are battling but we create almost nothing offensively.

I cannot see where we will get the 4 wins we need to stay up playing like we are.

[Thedelldays]

Going down without a fight is drawing or losing matches against those rivals who are also in the drop zone. Fighting for your existence in this division is beating them and other teams above you.

 

the same would be said about all the teams in the bottom 6 i guess...

 

I have been away, but I would like to know the current form of the teams in the bottom six of say, the last 8 games or so...?

 

 

are we giving up or are we showing more fight than say plymouth or forest at the mo as we enter the final phase of the season...?

[Greenridge]

the same would be said about all the teams in the bottom 6 i guess...

 

I have been away, but I would like to know the current form of the teams in the bottom six of say, the last 8 games or so...?

 

 

are we giving up or are we showing more fight than say plymouth or forest at the mo as we enter the final phase of the season...?

 

None of the bottom 4 have had a win in the last four games with Norwich and Barnsley in 5th and 6th from bottom respectively both picking up wins in the last couple of games. When we had our little run of 3 wins on the bounce unfortunately other teams also had good runs but it kept us in touch. We've had a real opportunity in the last four games to make further ground but 3 points out of 12 is killing us.

 

The SSN league table show the recent 6 game period form

 

http://www.skysports.com/football/league/0,19540,11687,00.html

[Thedelldays]

it is a lot closer than I would have thought and I guess many of us did

 

 

 

plymouth were was ahead of us not so long ago....

 

luggy is a crud manager, he really is

[NickG]

the same would be said about all the teams in the bottom 6 i guess...

 

I have been away, but I would like to know the current form of the teams in the bottom six of say, the last 8 games or so...?

 

 

are we giving up or are we showing more fight than say plymouth or forest at the mo as we enter the final phase of the season...?

 

current form site -last 8 games

 

http://www.fansfocus.com/football/championship/-formguide.php?comp=2&count=8

 

 

Saints 7th 12 points

Plymouth 3rd from bottom, 8 points last games L, L, L, D

Notts For bottom, 7 points, last games L, L, L, D

[Thedelldays]

current form site -last 8 games

 

http://www.fansfocus.com/football/championship/-formguide.php?comp=2&count=8

 

 

Saints 7th 12 points

Plymouth 3rd from bottom, 8 points last games L, L, L, D

Notts For bottom, 7 points, last games L, L, L, D

so...our current/recent form is better than most...some say we have given up already..

 

what am I missing here..?

[NickG]

even in the last 4 when our form has dropped off its still been better than others.

 

I am sure Notts F and Plymouth fans will see they have gone 3 straight defeats, and be thinking even if we keep drawing for our game in hand we will ahead of Notts F and only 2 points behind Plymouth -with 6 games left and their teams fading. Don't think they will be confident at all.

 

Not that I am either! But still have hope

[saintwarwick]

Because for the majority of the match we were abysmal and out played by a shocking Blackpool side.

We had no shape, pattern of play, committment, fight or even skill.

Blackpool had a pattern to their play and I could see what they were trying to do....we just lump the ball and hope we get someone close to it.

There was one period that 6 times we just gave the ball to the opposition without getting it near one of our players.

Thanks heavens we had Size, KD and the excellent Perry.

 

And Mcgoldrick, afterall without his excellent goal 'nuls points'.

[Northant Saint]

Is it because we all deep-down (including the loud-mouthed happy-clappies) are resigned to relegation, and are just worn out by the whole thing ?

 

You just want everybody to feel like that.

[dubai_phil]

Is it because we all deep-down (including the loud-mouthed happy-clappies) are resigned to relegation, and are just worn out by the whole thing ?

 

It's simply been the calm before the storm mate. Make the most of this, I get a horrible feeling that we will be reminiscing about the quiet days before too long

 

As for why it's been like this of late? We really haven't had anything much to discuss, there aren't enough regular attendees to give valued discussion points for debate with regard to the games or the players and us ex-pats have sort of lost the will to live as we just don't see any hope in any direction.