Fans 'Parliament Launch

[SaintRobbie]

I would be very interested to hear what it was that you posted over the weekend for which you were admonished. This is an independent forum for the opinions of ordinary fans and nothing should undergo any form of censorship by the club unless it is libellous, racist or sexist or any of the other "ists" that form the current political correctness lobby.

 

Just because you are the club's official historian doesn't mean that you should be disallowed the expression of your own opinion on a forum such as this. This is precisely what would be wrong with the Parliament. The club would try and interfere with any opinion contrary to its own.

 

Last summer I was put on a global ignore list - meant I thought I was posting but wasnt. My crimes?

 

Pushing strongly my agenda of looking for a buyer, selling the club and delisting the plc.

Saying Lowe's return would be a disaster and youth total football would not work.

 

Fans asked where I was and I was clicked off the global ignore list.

 

So, it can happen on this forum if you strike a raw nerve at the wrong time, or bore everyone with your agenda!

 

[if you dont see me post for a few days can you start a 'Where's Robbie' thread?]

 

(mind you I did go on and on about it! )

 

 

But the main point - as far as I am concerned Duncan is quite courageous. He has had enough of the appalling running of the Club we love and has decided to post home truths occassionally and being the Club historian has both credibility through a better inside view than most. Some though is his (calculated) opinion - some is probably fact.

 

If he is being withdrawn from posting (although I may have misunderstood his term 'admonished') I suggest we look at the reason 'why', indeed lets check his post, perhaps make it a thread in itself. And then ask 'who?' it was that stopped him posting. Such detective work I have found is often more revealing than you would imagine.

 

This forum is for opinion. I am not overly informed from within the club, yet I have shaped my opinions over years of studying this forum and posters. You can find everything Duncan posts pretty much amongst the postings of several posters, which is probably why I tend to share Duncan's views. I believe he has hit the nail on the head and I admire his courage to attempt to tell the remainder of the forum.

 

There are more truths on this messageboard than you may think. The trick is working out who is reliable and who isnt.

 

The fact is, that my opinion over Lowe shifted dramatically from supporting his chairmanship quite strongly in the Premiership years to a major turn around when he was exposed as a failure through relegation and daft ideas, let alone other stories of his poor leadership and divisive nature. My opinion has been shaped by careful study of posts and internal snippets. I have a good feel for the soap opera at SMS.

 

Regardless, if Duncan stops posting... ask 'why?'. Then - as with me - ask for him back.

[krissyboy31]

Perry Macmillan or Clive Foley or Chris Newman

 

Perry would be almost as antogonistic as Chorley. Of the SISA lot I'd go for Mick O'Callaghan. I agree with Clive and Chris and as others have said Duncan and Daren W would be good choices.

[OldNick]

I would be very interested to hear what it was that you posted over the weekend for which you were admonished. This is an independent forum for the opinions of ordinary fans and nothing should undergo any form of censorship by the club unless it is libellous, racist or sexist or any of the other "ists" that form the current political correctness lobby.

 

Just because you are the club's official historian doesn't mean that you should be disallowed the expression of your own opinion on a forum such as this. This is precisely what would be wrong with the Parliament. The club would try and interfere with any opinion contrary to its own.

I was intrigued as well and looked back at Duncan's posts. I expect it was this one 'They can't even afford to restock 30 copies of ITN which is sold out! '

What is ITN by the way?

[krissyboy31]

I was intrigued as well and looked back at Duncan's posts. I expect it was this one 'They can't even afford to restock 30 copies of ITN which is sold out! '

What is ITN by the way?

 

In That Number!!

[OldNick]

Perry would be almost as antogonistic as Chorley. Of the SISA lot I'd go for Mick O'Callaghan. I agree with Clive and Chris and as others have said Duncan and Daren W would be good choices.

If the fans paliament is ever going to work it needs representation form both sides of the divide. therefore you couldnt have DW and Duncan.I myself would go for DW as he does not have the rift with RL as far as Im aware and already is experienced with the more diplomatic way of putting fans views forward.

On the more understanding of why RL is doing what he has done i myself would think NC or FC would give that side a fair voice.

I have never met Mike Callaghan but have seen him at games for many years and have seen him interviewed. I was impressed.

If the voice is only going to be from the rabid anti Lowe side then it is a non starter.

Im sceptical anyway it will become a gentlemans club, where the fans will slip into comfort zone and not wish to lose their privilaged place. It is only nature

[OldNick]

In That Number!!

Thanks.I will go and find a copy.

[krissyboy31]

If the fans paliament is ever going to work it needs representation form both sides of the divide. therefore you couldnt have DW and Duncan.I myself would go for DW as he does not have the rift with RL as far as Im aware and already is experienced with the more diplomatic way of putting fans views forward.

On the more understanding of why RL is doing what he has done i myself would think NC or FC would give that side a fair voice.

I have never met Mike Callaghan but have seen him at games for many years and have seen him interviewed. I was impressed.

If the voice is only going to be from the rabid anti Lowe side then it is a non starter.

Im sceptical anyway it will become a gentlemans club, where the fans will slip into comfort zone and not wish to lose their privilaged place. It is only nature

 

But remember, you would also have representatives of all the official Supporters Clubs and associations, like the Trust, London Saints, Cardiff Saints etc, most of whom are already quite cozy with the 'party line'. However, if you wanted someone to balance out the views from a TSW point of view, I certainly wouldn't suggest NC but would probably support GM.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Duncan please tell us more ?

 

 

It was nothing major - in fact quite minor, but just goes to show how much this forum is scrutinised - unless it is just me

[Frank's cousin]

Having issues , problems and concerns and disagreeing with the board/club etc - is NORMAL -and I would certainly not wnat to see reps 'towing the party line' as fans are NOT employees (unlike Wotte) but customers/fans - what is IMPORTANT is the abilty to RESPECT the club and present fans views in a logical and calm focussed manner and NOT to let the potential frustration when things odnt go as planned get the better of you.... That would be my concern with the suggestions above - or those where there is a 'History' that no matter how 'unfair' would lead tro prjudice from the clubs side.

 

I have no doubt that IF fans can unite behind a calm and rational 'parliament', then it will gain 'influence' but to paraphrase Spiderman's uncle ;-) - with power comes responsibilty - and the onus will be on the reps to GAIN TRUST and RESPECT from both club officials and from fans alike - and hold that moral high ground no matter what is thrown at them. If recent activity at the AGMs is correct, then it suggest the names above are not suitable - no matter how passionate and committed they genuinely are. This will not work if it ends up in a single agenda mudslinging /p1ssing contest with the board members...and that woyuld be a wasted opportunity.

 

From a fans perspective, we would also need to be both patient and REALISTIC. Patient because until there is consensus amongst fans and unity behind the reps, there wil not be enough influence and also because trust and respect will take time to establish - and realistic about which areas of the club the fans SHOULD have an influence over.

 

Expressing fan concerns about board decisions, or providing fan opinion BEFORE final baord decisons are made is the aim... if you think it should include a mandate to remove boardmembers then you are sadly misguided as to what such communication should or could achieve.

 

I think its a great opportunity to engage with the club, just hope that enough fans take it seriously enough not to blow it by storming in on the back of an unrealistic and hot headed agenda - you will ruin it for everyone and thats just plain selfish.

[Frank's cousin]

It was nothing major - in fact quite minor, but just goes to show how much this forum is scrutinised - unless it is just me

 

Just you Duncan - you will have been blackballed ;-)

[offix]

It's not just the fact that the club would have to approve the "nomination committee" that makes this a sham, the use of the word "parliament" is also a gross misnomer, unless and until such a body gets real decision making powers, which will of course never happen.

It's a complete PR exercise!

[Frank's cousin]

It's not just the fact that the club would have to approve the "nomination committee" that makes this a sham, the use of the word "parliament" is also a gross misnomer, unless and until such a body gets real decision making powers, which will of course never happen.

It's a complete PR exercise!

 

Such a body would never have real decision making powers - not whilst we are a PLC at least as only shareholders get to vote on such things, but thats not the point - The point is potentially influencing powers - such a body could if handled correctly, carry a huge amount of influence given the purchasing power of a united fan base - It has the potential to be more as a 'UNION' without the 'old school' association, provided its truely representative AND follows more of a Japanese model that the old UK one ;-)

 

Outside the prem, fans contribute the lions share to te clubs revenue through gates and merchandice. We currently have no real influence because we are divided and those who have raised their heads above the pulpit have too often done so in anger, rather than in constructive dialogue and as such have not been given (rightly or wrongly) the respect that is needed to have any kind of influence, they are dismissed as 'lunatic fringe' elements - not always justified, but for not being prepared to listen to WHY certain decisions have been made or to acknowledge that the other side has anything worth saying. In addition, they have reacted angrily when confronted and so have lost the moral ground.

 

If we as a fanbase want this influence to be positive and to be effective - that respect has to earned and trust established - we just need to make sure we have the faith in those selected to have that temperment.

 

As to the selection process by the club : OK so its not 'truely democratic', and its easy to be cynical, but the truth is if the club genuinely want this to work, they will need to be sure that the 'committee' is geninely interested in making it work to, and not just there to continue an unwinnable single agenda battle 0- they will want fans they believe thay can influence for sure, but also its in the clubs interests to ensure these fans will enter this in the right spirit and attitude, otherwise why bother? Think about it, what is the point of setting this up, if the fans themselves have no faith in it and no respect fro the selectors or members? nothing whatsoever.The club would not be able to claim any positives if the thing is not credible with fans...

[aintforever]

As to the selection process by the club : OK so its not 'truely democratic', .

 

That's the whole point though, if it's not democratic it is a complete and utter farce.

 

As long as the club hand pick the candidates it will never be a voice of the fans so any decisions made will be meaningless, just a bunch of Lowe luvies sat around giving the "fans" approval on whatever disaster lowe has lined up next.

 

The only way it could possibly work is if the club had no say at all in who the fans choose to speak for them - why should the club pick and choose?

[OldNick]

That's the whole point though, if it's not democratic it is a complete and utter farce.

 

As long as the club hand pick the candidates it will never be a voice of the fans so any decisions made will be meaningless, just a bunch of Lowe luvies sat around giving the "fans" approval on whatever disaster lowe has lined up next.

 

The only way it could possibly work is if the club had no say at all in who the fans choose to speak for them - why should the club pick and choose?

The whole thing is a farce. I cant see how any cross section of fans will get what we want.We cant even decide on here who has had a good game, each week

[Saint 76er]

Absolute Nonsense...We are being had over..Please do not fall for this...Just think about it.

 

Scam artists comes to mind.

 

Please everyone read the above post and, as the man says, think about it.

 

We are hurtling towards oblivion at the hands of Lowe and Wilde, the same people who have wreaked utter devastation on our club for the last several years and now a complete wipeout may be only just around the corner.

 

Meanwhile they throw a few tidbits on the ground and I cannot believe the number of erudite posters who seem to be taking this boloney seriously whilst earnestly trying to pick their favoured representatives.

 

To use a well worn TSW phrase... wake up and smell the coffee guys!!!

 

When the protests started to bite L+W needed a distraction and I guess this is it and it bugs me that Lowe's PR machine should be able to outwit the might of the collective TSW intellect.

 

Surely we are better than that and should now quickly refocus on the real issues at hand, before Lowe quietly slips administration under the door while no one is looking.....

[Frank's cousin]

The hard bitten cynics - the lot of you! ;-) Come on this is like anything, it will only be as good or as crap as you want it to be - dont underestimate the power and influence a UNITED, but respected fanbase could yield. Sure it wont be perfect, but come on is it not worth a go?

[Frank's cousin]

That's the whole point though, if it's not democratic it is a complete and utter farce.

 

As long as the club hand pick the candidates it will never be a voice of the fans so any decisions made will be meaningless, just a bunch of Lowe luvies sat around giving the "fans" approval on whatever disaster lowe has lined up next.

 

The only way it could possibly work is if the club had no say at all in who the fans choose to speak for them - why should the club pick and choose?

 

Bit unfair to take that in isolation as I did go on to try and ratyionalise why it culd still be valid... are we really now such a cynical bunch? ;-)

 

We do afterall here load of whinging and whining that teh club ignore fans, yet there seems a reluctance to grab this by the balls when offered - I appreciate that the concern is that it will be spineless and have no true influence, sure it wont if the fans go about it, dare I say in the usual way with Mr Angry backed up by Mr Verbally Agressive - as it wont be taken seriously - unify and aproach it with calm intellegence, gain trust and respect and i think we woudl be surprised as to what influence £8 worth of revenue could hold.....

Edited 18 March, 2009 by Frank's cousin

[aintforever]

Bit unfair to take that in isolation as I did go on to try and ratyionalise why it culd still be valid... are we really now such a cynical bunch? ;-)

 

We do afterall here load of whinging and whining that teh club ignore fans, yet there seems a reluctance to grab this by the balls when offered - I appreciate that the concern is that it will be spineless and have no true influence, sure it wont if the fans go about it, dare I say in the usual way with Mr Angry backed up by Mr Verbally Agressive - as it wont be taken seriously - unify and aproach it with calm intellegence, gain trust and respect and i think we woudl be surprised as to what influence £8 worth of revenue could hold.....

 

As an idea it is good, but there is no reason why it cannot be properly democratic.

 

The club will just have to accept the fact that the people who speak for the fans might not share their opinion or like them. Sure there is a chance that 4x Mr Angrys could get voted in, that's just a risk they will have to take. If the Mr Angrys make it a farce and the fans are not happy with that then they just wont get elected next time around - that's how democracy works.

[Lets B Avenue]

With Mikey Boy involved I assume he wont be able to attend due to a pre-arranged holiday.

 

But if it does get off the ground, cant we elect our own Guy Fawkes?

[ottery st mary]

I want to be Black Rod who smashes the door down and interupts the meeting to ask the Lowey Luvvies and Ra Ra girls will they becoming to practice with their Pom Poms after finalising the new deal for Catering and Radio Station and the closing of all the other corners in the ground. Maybe I have got the wrong house with my Rod.

[Legod Third Coming]

As an idea it is good, but there is no reason why it cannot be properly democratic.

 

The club will just have to accept the fact that the people who speak for the fans might not share their opinion or like them. Sure there is a chance that 4x Mr Angrys could get voted in, that's just a risk they will have to take. If the Mr Angrys make it a farce and the fans are not happy with that then they just wont get elected next time around - that's how democracy works.

 

The problem with democrary is that it just doesn't work full stop!!!

 

Democracy ends up being a popularity contest - ie. people do what they think is required to be re-elected and not what is necessarily best.

 

As an example, no fecker will bite the bullet on transport and the need for REAL new infrastructure. Why? Cos is it will take years and bags of cash - and the benefits cannot be realised before the next voting period.

 

What I want (and I am sure thousands of other fans want the same) is for some common sense to be applied to the way our club is run.

 

The board are at loggerheads and yet they want EVEN more opinion.

 

It's barmy.

 

And as has been pointed out, a ruse to divert attention from the total shambles made of the first two thirds of this season.

[Wes Tender]

The entire exercise is pointless and as some intelligent cynics have already surmised, it is probably only proposed by the club for one reason. They will have their placemen on this Parliament along with our elected representatives. They will have a say on who is elected to this body, so its impartiality and independence has been severely compromised before it even begins. They will then attempt to toady up to this group. If that fails and the group proves that it has balls, then they will dismiss it, wringing their hands and stating that they tried to be reasonable, they tried to open a dialogue with us, but we were unreceptive. They can even claim under such circumstances that the fans' Parliament is either representative of the fans' opinions if it agrees with the board, or unrepresentative if it does not. In short, we are on a hiding to nothing.

 

Any group representative of the fans' opinions would have one unified message to send to the board; you are not wanted here, you have ruined our club, please leave the running of our club to others who could make a better fist of it than you. Perhaps we ought to go along with this charade, tell them precisely that and disband when they have ignored our wishes, complaining that they do not listen to us, so what is the point of the Parliament?

[Mole]

Anyone who takes this spin seriously needs to wake up. If Mike Wilde was genuinely interested in fans opions and democracy (as oposed to the divide and conquer/spin i think this charade is all about) he'd have bothered to turn up for the AGM.

 

Wilde cared so much for democracy he didn't even bother to sit at the top table and he's supposed to be the football chairman.

 

Don't be fooled by him again.

[hypochondriac]

Anyone who takes this spin seriously needs to wake up. If Mike Wilde was genuinely interested in fans opions and democracy (as oposed to the divide and conquer/spin i think this charade is all about) he'd have bothered to turn up for the AGM.

 

Wilde cared so much for democracy he didn't even bother to sit at the top table and he's supposed to be the football chairman.

 

Don't be fooled by him again.

 

That's a very sensible post for once.

[Mole]

That's a very sensible post for once.

 

Cut the sarcasm. I've been consistent in my views about Wilde from day 1. People like myself and Guided Missile were never taken in by him.

[trousers]

 

Don't be fooled by him again.

 

Who?

 

(I dedicate the above play on words to Bridge Too Far )

[The Rover]

Anyone who takes this spin seriously needs to wake up. If Mike Wilde was genuinely interested in fans opions and democracy (as oposed to the divide and conquer/spin i think this charade is all about) he'd have bothered to turn up for the AGM.

 

Wilde cared so much for democracy he didn't even bother to sit at the top table and he's supposed to be the football chairman.

 

Don't be fooled by him again.

 

Exactly - I can't people are taking this "I am Mike Wilde, the man of the people" bull**** seriously yet again.

 

I'm afraid I did go for it first time, like many thinking any devil was better than Lowe and I was wrong.

 

Exactly how many time does Mike intend to 'give us back our club'?

[The Rover]

English version:

 

Exactly - I can't believe people are taking this "I am Mike Wilde, the man of the people" bullsh1t seriously yet again.

 

I'm afraid I did go for it first time, like many thinking any devil was better than Lowe and I was wrong.

 

Exactly how many times does Mike intend to 'give us back our club'?

[Channon's Sideburns]

The hard bitten cynics - the lot of you! ;-) Come on this is like anything' date=' it will only be as good or as crap as you want it to be - dont underestimate the power and influence a UNITED, but respected fanbase could yield. Sure it wont be perfect, but come on is it not worth a go?[/quote']

 

Frank it is a complete sham.

 

Wilde doesn't give a sh1te about us - if he did, he would never have brought Lowe back.

 

Simple as that.

 

And, for that reason, I'M OUT.

[corsacar saint]

If Lowe and Wilde get their own way, the club will be on the same lines that Mugabe

runs Zimbabwe- i.e - a dictatorship.[ Then it is run like that now allegedly].

However all the pro Lowes on here seem quite happy with that scenario. As previously suggested by others this is an another unbelievably bad idea, to try and hide

the reality, that due to dreadful football decisions made by non football people we are probably going down. Clear off Lowe and Wilde you are not liked or wanted, along with

all the other boardroom protaganists of the last 5 years.

[SaintRobbie]

If Lowe and Wilde get their own way, the club will be on the same lines that Mugabe

runs Zimbabwe- i.e - a dictatorship.[ Then it is run like that now allegedly].

However all the pro Lowes on here seem quite happy with that scenario. As previously suggested by others this is an another unbelievably bad idea, to try and hide

the reality, that due to dreadful football decisions made by non football people we are probably going down. Clear off Lowe and Wilde you are not liked or wanted, along with

all the other boardroom protaganists of the last 5 years.

 

Ironically I for one would like us to be run as a dictatorship and the plc disgarded forever. However, a dictatorship only works in football if the Chairman has the resources to pump in himself as well as ambition and personality. That means in order to achieve that we need to find a buyer - which we cannot start to do until Lowe and Wilde declare the club as being for sale.

[Frank's cousin]

Frank it is a complete sham.

 

Wilde doesn't give a sh1te about us - if he did, he would never have brought Lowe back.

 

Simple as that.

 

And, for that reason, I'M OUT.

 

Wilde may not give a sh!t about us true, in fact he may only have rejoined the fold for his own interests recognising that they would be best served from the inside - who knows and who cares would be by mind set.... OK so need to explain that one... was a bit flipant.

 

Thing is this, whatever interest Lowe and Wilde have in football is ultimately irrelevent, If as some believe (and I am not one of them true) they are ONLY in this for self interest or ego, I am not sure I follow the rational that means it MUST be crap for Saints, because as I have said before, the only way they GAIN anything either financially or ego wise is if the club is successful and as 99% of the the PLC success or lack of it is as a result of what happens on the pitch, on the field success SHOULD and MUST be a priority for the baord.

 

The problem we have are 1) they are more concerned about this LONG TERM, yet fans are far more interested in season by season which is our right, 2) They have made a series of errors of judgement which has set us back - thats all of them, Lowe, Wilde and Crouch 3) these errors have been compounded by some things just not working out as expected, 4) they have lost the confidence of their customers/fans as a result which means reduced revenues even further.

 

From the clubs perspective this parliament uis all about trying to bring fans back - sure they propbaly dont expect it to be much more than a PR exercise, but thats the clubs perspective - if you believe that fine, you are not naive, and your cynicism is based on previous experience.... BUT its also an opportunity to make it what we the fans want it to be and if there is unity behind it from the majority, its power and influence WILL be serious enough to have an impact with the club.

 

I say GRASP it, lets use it as an opportunitty to heal wounds and unite behind what we have in common, NOT where we disagree and thus present a very strong financial incentive for the club to listen. BUT if we do want to be taken seriously, we also have to be mature enough to welcome this, and coolheaded enough to engage in constructive dialogue and not just single agendas on personalities. I just think it would be a real opportunity lost as what this potentially is, is only limited by your own expectations, potential cynicism, fan infighting, and refusal to engage in POSITIVE and CONSTRUCTIVE dialogue.

[SaintRobbie]

I say GRASP it, lets use it as an opportunitty to heal wounds and unite behind what we have in common, NOT where we disagree and thus present a very strong financial incentive for the club to listen. BUT if we do want to be taken seriously, we also have to be mature enough to welcome this, and coolheaded enough to engage in constructive dialogue and not just single agendas on personalities. I just think it would be a real opportunity lost as what this potentially is, is only limited by your own expectations, potential cynicism, fan infighting, and refusal to engage in POSITIVE and CONSTRUCTIVE dialogue.

 

I love your sentiment - very idealistic. Realism has generally driven my decision-making and risk taking over the years - seems to work, certainly seem to be doing ok!

 

The realist view of this is that it will be a dead duck unless it is representative of the fans views - and that means bringing in the Chorleys for example - and it gains some major wins - e.g. a declaration that the club is for sale as a start point.

 

If Mike is considering stacking his fans parliament with allies I would warn him that it is often better to keep your enemies close at hand than to isolate and ignore them.

 

So, to be honest - until we see the makeup and impact of the parliament it is difficult to comment - but given the very real position of confidence and respect for Lowe and Wilde amongst the fanbase at the moment and post relegation I do not see it being regarded as anything as a club sham.

 

If the - to be fair - well organised, chartered and day to day run Saints Trust is toothless, what will Mike Wilde's bunch really achieve?

 

And honestly? What CAN they achieve working for the football chairman and not the plc chairman who has power of what colour socks the team should wear and not the day to day running of the club?

 

Remember - this is Southampton Leisure Holdings plc FC not Southampton FC (which went into suspended animation until the plc delists due to Askham).

 

 

I suggest we wait until the make up is announced before judging this probable folly. But, in the meantime - keep protesting as hard as you can to remove Lowe.

Edited 19 March, 2009 by SaintRobbie
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[alpine_saint]

This is a complete circuis - its an attempt to consolidate the stranglehold these two arrogant self-centred prats have on our club, by virtue of being able to claim a mandate from the fan base.

 

I'm not surprised the likes of FC support it, since they think they can wear down the objections of the rest of us with sham calls for "balance"

[OldNick]

Frank it is a complete sham.

 

Wilde doesn't give a sh1te about us - if he did, he would never have brought Lowe back.

 

Simple as that.

 

And, for that reason, I'M OUT.

CS, whilst i agree MW let us down we don't know quite whqat position the club was in financially at that precise time. i understand fans have no faith in RL's financial nous but I myself have to a degree.

I think MW let us down when he first rode into town, at that stage RL was cutting costs and getting us sound before putting us in a position to push.I expect many will laugh at that but it is how I see it.

Very few are privy to the 'Real' situation but I suspect MW realised he had to act to save his investment and the club that was on the precipice.

I agree we are close to it again due to RL foolishly keeping Jan on for 4-5 games too long.If we stay up we will strengthen again.As I have put before RL allegedly has a 3 year plan, year 1 to stabilise year 2 to consolidate and year 3 to push again for the PL.

[Frank's cousin]

This is a complete circuis - its an attempt to consolidate the stranglehold these two arrogant self-centred prats have on our club, by virtue of being able to claim a mandate from the fan base.

 

I'm not surprised the likes of FC support it, since they think they can wear down the objections of the rest of us with sham calls for "balance"

 

I would put you on my ignore list as you never seem to make any sort of contributrion, but the comedy value is too great ;-)

[alpine_saint]

I would put you on my ignore list as you never seem to make any sort of contributrion' date=' but the comedy value is too great ;-)[/quote']

 

Completely reciprocated, though because of your over-verbose and tedious doctors-theses-cum-posts you obviously skipped the most important rule of comedy regarding short punchy one-liners..

[Frank's cousin]

Completely reciprocated, though because of your over-verbose and tedious doctors-theses-cum-posts you obviously skipped the most important rule of comedy regarding short punchy one-liners..

 

Its easy to make short posts when you have nothing constructive to add....

[alpine_saint]

Its easy to make short posts when you have nothing constructive to add....

 

Or if you head isnt full of "This fence post I am sitting on feels really good up my arse, but I must pretend I am not attention seeking and am really interested in being balanced" tedious ramblings.

[Mole]

Its easy to make short posts when you have nothing constructive to add....

 

Equally it's easy to waffle and say nothing at all.

[alpine_saint]

Equally it's easy to waffle and say nothing at all.

 

hehehehe. A short post that says it all..

[OldNick]

hehehehe. A short post that says it all..

Do you see the irony in your post about the site being quiet and then constantly trying to make posters who add to the site feel uncomfortable in doing so in future.

FC decides to put down his thoughts in a well thought out and argued manner, fair play to him.

[70's Mike]

CS, whilst i agree MW let us down we don't know quite whqat position the club was in financially at that precise time. i understand fans have no faith in RL's financial nous but I myself have to a degree.

I think MW let us down when he first rode into town, at that stage RL was cutting costs and getting us sound before putting us in a position to push.I expect many will laugh at that but it is how I see it.

Very few are privy to the 'Real' situation but I suspect MW realised he had to act to save his investment and the club that was on the precipice.

I agree we are close to it again due to RL foolishly keeping Jan on for 4-5 games too long.If we stay up we will strengthen again.As I have put before RL allegedly has a 3 year plan, year 1 to stabilise year 2 to consolidate and year 3 to push again for the PL.

 

Surely Nick the other point is that RL and Gang effectively ignored MW when he bought his shares and continued to operate as they always had done.

If they had involved him at the early stage , who knows where we would be now

[Frank's cousin]

You both make a lovely couple - you should be very happy together, but with so much negativity in one place it mus be depressing...

[alpine_saint]

Do you see the irony in your post about the site being quiet and then constantly trying to make posters who add to the site feel uncomfortable in doing so in future.

FC decides to put down his thoughts in a well thought out and argued manner, fair play to him.

 

Jesus, if that's his thoughts, there's not a lot going on inside that particular cranium...

 

I was reading a story to my youngest son last week. One of the Mister Men. It reminded me of FC.

 

Guess which one ?

[alpine_saint]

[OldNick]

Surely Nick the other point is that RL and Gang effectively ignored MW when he bought his shares and continued to operate as they always had done.

If they had involved him at the early stage , who knows where we would be now

 

I see where you are coming from but it was the hostile Iam Billy Big Boots attitude that came with him that torpedoed any chance of that.

[alpine_saint]

I see where you are coming from but it was the hostile Iam Billy Big Boots attitude that came with him that torpedoed any chance of that.

 

PM for you..

[70's Mike]

I see where you are coming from but it was the hostile Iam Billy Big Boots attitude that came with him that torpedoed any chance of that.

 

 

did he have that attitude in the early days or did that develop because he was ignored , as a player, by the cabal that had run SLH since 1997.

[Frank's cousin]

Surely Nick the other point is that RL and Gang effectively ignored MW when he bought his shares and continued to operate as they always had done.

If they had involved him at the early stage , who knows where we would be now

 

Thing is, NOt strichtly true at the time, MW wanted to be on the board and also for Lowe to split the executive CEO role from that of the chair - Lowe met with Wilde after he was making encouraging signals of 'evolution' not revolution' - Lowe refused to split the role (thus not allowing Wilde in as Chairman? - we are led to understand) which triggered the EGM. Crouch initially wanted to go with whoever would guarrantee him a place in the Directors Box...

 

Had Wilde and Lowe got together initially? impossible to say how it would have panned out, we would not have spent anywhere near 7.5 mil that year on the 'word' that investors were waiting in the wings....