Fans 'Parliament Launch

[Wes Tender]

Ru**rt to the Quisling, about a month ago: " Go and create a 'parliament' for fans. Make sure that it is populated only with people who support me, so that we can then show all dissidents to be the lunatic fringe."

Quisling replies: "Yes master, I'll make sure that the members of this fan's parliament are nominated in a process that looks open, but actually selected by us. Also, I'll make sure that no powers of any kind will be assigned to this parliament."

 

:smt083;)

[Ewell]

Look, Lowe, Wilde and the other board members are supposed to be intelligent and sensible business people. Are you suggesting that they are incapable of reading comments from various ends of the spectrum of opinion on a fans' forum and not gain some idea of a concensus?

 

As for your assertion that there is a silent majority on here, what proof do you have of that? How do you know what their opinions are? Anybody who has some opinion on any matter related to the club is free on here to express it. If they fail to do that on here, a discussion forum, how do you propose that their views are reflected in a fans' Parliament?

 

Here probably was not the right choice of word. I am talking about people not on forums and those that do not write to the echo\club, there are thousands mate. Not everyone posts or wants to post on this or any other forum.

[SaintRobbie]

If the club is serious about this they will ensure the 'parliament' is representative of the feelings of the fans.

 

That would require about 5 anti-Lowe types and one pro-Club policy type. Anything else frankly would be a daft whitewash - as soon as the parliament is exposed as being toothless in RUNNING THE PLC (which is all that matters to be honest) then it will be ignored and laughed at.

 

So, I would nominate vocal fans like Chorley and certainly someone with a good historical knowledge like Fithugh Fella. I would not support the election - as Steve puts it - of the usual suspects which would include Nick Illingworth for example. And indeed anyone else who has been exposed as being a little too 'close' to the club.

 

This idea only works if the fans are representative of the current feeling and it results in:

 

1. Lowe's removal.

2. Delisting of the plc.

3. A determined attempt to find a buyer.

 

As it is being run by the football chairman (who's responsibilities include what exactly... what colour socks we will wear next season?) I think it's a dead duck... if you'll pardon the Lowe-connection pun.

 

THIS IS A WASTE OF TIME UNLESS IT IS DIRECTLY LINKED TO THE DAY TO DAY RUNNING OF THE PLC.

[stevegrant]

So, I would nominate vocal fans like Chorley and certainly someone with a good historical knowledge like Fithugh Fella. I would not support the election - as Steve puts it - of the usual suspects which would include Nick Illingworth for example. And indeed anyone else who has been exposed as being a little too 'close' to the club.

So essentially you'd only allow those on there who share the same opinion as you, despite being very much a part of the "usual suspects"?

[SaintRobbie]

So essentially you'd only allow those on there who share the same opinion as you, despite being very much a part of the "usual suspects"?

 

No of course not. I would want the parliament to reflect the views of the people - which is the job of any parliament. So, you need 5 anti policy and one pro - if your polls are generally correct.

 

Thinking of standing Steve?

[Weston Saint]

It will be a two way communication forum, nothing more, nothing less. It will have no power to act, just recommend. The power within will lay with those who hold the purse strings. The power without is with the shareholders in the public domain.

 

If you want effective communication but understand its limitations support the "parliament". It is a useful tool but not a stick to beat the club with.

[stevegrant]

No of course not. I would want the parliament to reflect the views of the people - which is the job of any parliament. So, you need 5 anti policy and one pro - if your polls are generally correct.

The polls on this forum reflect the opinion of those who vote - as far as any election is concerned, that means that it reflects the overall opinion of all those registered (in the same way that the winner of the general election is the party with the overall highest number of seats won from those who actually bother to vote). It doesn't necessarily represent the opinion of the fanbase as a whole.

 

There are many thousands of Saints fans who go to games (and indeed those who DON'T go to games) who are not registered on this forum, and their opinions may differ wildly from the forum members' overall views.

 

To use the general election analogy again, that would be like taking the results of the election in Romsey and assuming that those results were representative of the whole country.

 

Thinking of standing Steve?

I'm a "usual suspect", aren't I?

[offix]

I think the committe should be balanced between critics and supporters of the current regime.

So I would nominate Crouch, Mary Corbett, and Chorley as nominees for the "anti Lowe" side.

Then just for balance I suggests that Quisling drops the pretense and just nominates his own 3 members

Edited 17 March, 2009 by offix

[aintforever]

If it's democratic it's democratic. That means if the fans want 4 Chorley's to represent them then so be it.

 

If people are not allowed on because certain people perceive them as "hot heads" or "loud mouths" then the whole process is a complete farce.

[Frank's cousin]

If it's democratic it's democratic. That means if the fans want 4 Chorley's to represent them then so be it.

 

If people are not allowed on because certain people perceive them as "hot heads" or "loud mouths" then the whole process is a complete farce.

 

Thats true if you you believe that this democracy will achieve something positive - In 15 years of Chorleyism has acheived feck all and merely antagonised. As mentioned above, it should NOT be a case of some antis + some luvvies (and Robbie needs to go and learn some statistics to get his numbers right), but selecting 6 folk who can see both sides of the arguments, and WORK with rather than against the club to get the Best for fans... this parliament will NOT get rid of boardmembers and to assume that as an aim would be limited and a waste of time, the fans aim should be 1) get some credibilty, 2) be taken seriously - by getting unity and thus being justified in a claim that the fans do have clout re financial contibution 3) let the club know rationally and calmly the fans POV on major issues and decisions and seek and gain influence where appropriate.

[derry]

What we have proposed is essentially a talking shop and another impediment put in the way of supporters who voice their opposition to club policies.

 

Once the parliament is in place it will be used by the club to refer back complaints to the designated supporters representative to block any direct line to the club.

 

Kick it into touch, it's a waste of space.

[docker-p]

What a load of balls. If anyone thinks that A) The powers that be would take the blindess bit of notice what this parliament thinks, or B) The powers that be would allow anyone into this talking shop who would ask serious questions, they need there head examined.

 

For what it's worth i nominate: Rich Chorley, Perry McMillan, Clive Foley, Fitzhugh_fella and the 22 stone knuckle dragger sitting near me on Saturday.

Edited 17 March, 2009 by docker-p

[aintforever]

Thats true if you you believe that this democracy will achieve something positive - In 15 years of Chorleyism has acheived feck all and merely antagonised. As mentioned above' date=' it should NOT be a case of some antis + some luvvies (and Robbie needs to go and learn some statistics to get his numbers right), but selecting 6 folk who can see both sides of the arguments, and WORK with rather than against the club to get the Best for fans... this parliament will NOT get rid of boardmembers and to assume that as an aim would be limited and a waste of time, the fans aim should be 1) get some credibilty, 2) be taken seriously - by getting unity and thus being justified in a claim that the fans do have clout re financial contibution 3) let the club know rationally and calmly the fans POV on major issues and decisions and seek and gain influence where appropriate.[/quote']

 

They should be chosen by the fans - that is ALL that matters.

 

If the fans decide they want anarchy and protest that what should happen, if they want someone to cuddle up to Lowe and Wilde - that's also what should happen.

 

By hand picking people with different points of view you are not being representative of the fans, if 99% of the fans want to kick Lowe out then all of the people on the baord should share that view that's how democracy works.

 

You might not like that but that's tough, that's how democracy works atke that away and the whole thing is pointless and meaningless.

[Saint 76er]

Why has Wilde suddenly come out of the woodwork with this PR nonsense, which is probably only meant to control and divide fans, and where meanwhile has the previously omnipresent Lowe disappeared to, I wonder?

 

Surely the big issue for the future good of the club is to continue efforts to seek Lowe's removal, not to give credence to a handful of Lowe approved fans meeting three monthly to talk about shop merchandising lines and the like?

 

What worries me with this matter is that it appears to suggest that Lowe and Wilde are digging in for a long stay and indicates that they expect to still be around next season, either as is or perhaps after administration.

 

Now that really is something to worry about....

[bridge too far]

I'm confused now

 

We're talking about choosing 6 members forming a selection committee and that selection committee will then select 20-25 fans to form the parliament and that parliament will discuss things such as ticket prices etc.

 

The club will only be involved in the process to elect the selection committee :smt102

 

The parliament will have no power to overthrow the Board.

 

Or have I completely misunderstood?

[trousers]

Why has Wilde suddenly come out of the woodwork with this PR nonsense, which is probably only meant to control and divide fans, and where meanwhile has the previously omnipresent Lowe disappeared to, I wonder?

 

Surely the big issue for the future good of the club is to continue efforts to seek Lowe's removal, not to give credence to a handful of Lowe approved fans meeting three monthly to talk about shop merchandising lines and the like?

 

What worries me with this matter is that it appears to suggest that Lowe and Wilde are digging in for a long stay and indicates that they expect to still be around next season, either as is or perhaps after administration.

 

Now that really is something to worry about....

 

Perhaps Wilde has come to an arrangement with Lowe to buy his share of the club and wants to start again with a clean slate?

 

And, yes, it does (IMHO) rather suggest that this is pre-Administration manouverings, but I don't see why Wilde would be kicking off such a pre-emptive initiative if Lowe was to hang around post-Admin....

[The Rover]

I'm confused now

...

 

The club will only be involved in the process to elect the selection committee :smt102

 

 

Except the club will have two of it's own people on the selection committee as well as the 4 people THEY choose.

[Window Cleaner]

FREEPOST? we can't be that hard up then.

If they have to pay for all the crank applications they'll be getting our overdraft will soar.

[WestSaint]

When the talk is of administration being so near and we hear stories of Lowe not even having a permanent desk at St Mary's and Wilde out of the Country, I wonder whether the parliament would be set up to take the flak if the worst should happen !!!

[Wes Tender]

Here probably was not the right choice of word. I am talking about people not on forums and those that do not write to the echo\club, there are thousands mate. Not everyone posts or wants to post on this or any other forum.

 

I agree that there are thousands of fans out there who do not belong to any of the forums or write letters to the Echo, or ring the phone-ins after matches. But how are their views going to be best represented? Not via this Parliament, that's for sure. Most of them wouldn't know any of the individuals who might become involved unless they are part of the group that have been labelled "the usual suspects" and if they do not bother to express their opinions via those other media, why should they suddenly be giving their input to this Parliament?

 

This so called silent majority nevertheless do make their feelings known to the club indirectly and the club would do well to pay heed to them. If the prices are too high, they cease to attend, while others cease to attend because the football is not to their liking, or we are not winning enough home games. Again, if the replica kit is of poor quality or too expensive, sales figures do reflect the possibility that something is wrong with product sales somewhere or other.

 

I reiterate; the silent majority are not going to contact this Parliament to get over their views if they do not tell the club at the moment what they find wrong with things. Therefore the only way that the club can gauge opinion is through the current channels of the forums, newspaper letters, letters to the club, or post match comments on the radio. As I say, an astute businessman is one who should be able to view criticism and make up their mind as to whether it is extreme or whether it is well reasoned, erudite and sensible. The trouble is, there are many people on here and in the other media who are perfectly intelligent and sensible individuals, but who have expressed the viewpoint that Lowe should resign as Chairman along with the other board members and advertise the posts to independent replacements. If posters like me and others from the other end of the spectrum like Nineteen canteen can find common ground on something like this, then the Board should sit up and take notice of those areas where there is agreement across the spectrum of holders of otherwise diverse views. The trouble is, those in positions of power are not going to relinquish that power, are they? They are motivated by selfish and egotistical reasons and cannot therefore see that the best interests of the club would be served by their departure.

[trousers]

FREEPOST? we can't be that hard up then.

If they have to pay for all the crank applications they'll be getting our overdraft will soar.

 

Hmmm, Good spot....Here's hoping a clever Pompey fan doesn't spot the FREEPOST bit and, together with his mates, fires off enough mail to financially drag us under....

 

By jove, two oxymorons in once sentence. Nice one Trousers.

[Frank's cousin]

They should be chosen by the fans - that is ALL that matters.

 

If the fans decide they want anarchy and protest that what should happen, if they want someone to cuddle up to Lowe and Wilde - that's also what should happen.

 

By hand picking people with different points of view you are not being representative of the fans, if 99% of the fans want to kick Lowe out then all of the people on the baord should share that view that's how democracy works.

 

You might not like that but that's tough, that's how democracy works atke that away and the whole thing is pointless and meaningless.

 

The point is though this platform has NO power directly and will simply be ignored if those representing fans only that agenda - so wopuld would the point be? Of course it should be democratic, but iffans believe that by voting for the single agenda types it would be the best way to go, i think they would be being VERY naive - it would simply fall at the first hurdle.... Its why after 15 years of Lowe he is still here and aparently still doing things wrong and not listening to fans - because of the very types and approach that has been taken. Lowe's biggest fear will be that one day fans unite behind a calm and reflective inteligent voice - because that has clout - whilst the are supposed to support the likes of chorley if they want to voice issues he'll be laughing because the moment it gets heated and antagonistic, he wins because the shareholders supporting him think the same as him. It might not be right or democratic, but these things only work with calm heads not firebrands.

[Legod Third Coming]

Do you know what, this is total boll0x.

 

The government comes up with guff like this - let the people decide which hospital they go to, which school, let them tell the Police how the Police are performing...

 

It's a load of totally bloody nonsense.

 

When I keel over I want an ambulance asap to get me to a hospital that will cure me and not kill me of MRSA - where it is and who runs it, I could not give a flying feck about. Make it close and make it good. That's all that matters.

 

Same for my football club. Why should I decide how it's run?? What the hell can I really change?

 

Just find a decent manager, back him and don't sack him.

 

And guess what??

 

We'll all be over the fecking moon.

[Frank's cousin]

The trouble is, those in positions of power are not going to relinquish that power, are they? They are motivated by selfish and egotistical reasons and cannot therefore see that the best interests of the club would be served by their departure.

 

I would put it slightly differently. Those in power are not going to relinquish that power whilst they believe there is no one better placed to look after the interests of the shareholders. What we often over look is that the board should be doing whats best for the club, but the truth is their duty is to shareholders first and there will always be self interest whilst the board themselves ARE shareholders.

 

In theory, and I know I am on a hiding to nothing here as the evidence says the opposite, the BEST and ONLY way for shareholders to maintain any kind of stabilty and minute potential growth in sharevalue is on the field success, is by the very definition of self interest in this case you would expect the board to be doing everything they can for long term growth - for which you need on the field success first and foremost.

 

I honestly do believe the board - all of them would want to see this success .... but seem at times unable to make the decsions that would give us the best chance of it - not guarranteed, nothing is in football just the best possible chance. Most on here are fair folk who would accept that mistakes made in good faith are just that mistakes, we all make em etyc, but quite rightly what annoys the feck out of fans is Lowe's inabilty to acknowledge these, apologise, put it down to experience and move on - united - in a word humility - or at the very least teh perception their of.... but the same could be said for many of the names mentioned, pasionate fans for sure, but also at times driven by ego and own interests, as most of us are - but thats not the issue, its jst a simple fact that whatever we think of democracy, the attitude and prejudice that those names would bring to the table would make the whole thing a joke from the start - would just not work.

[70's Mike]

Andrew Mintram

Matt Hemsley

Martyn Gorse

Andrew Grace

Michelle Moore

Steve Grant

Davis Ford

Paul Radley

Ric Paul

 

Some of these have had some involvement with other "initiatives" that have, for one reason or another, fallen thorugh.

 

All of these are capable and eloquent people who would postitively contribute to this type of intiative. Not that I believe any of them would wish to take up such a role.

 

 

I'm sure there are many more who could do a great job with this too, but this is a first pass at answering your question.

 

 

I am srtuggling to see how this could work, i am 55 years old , and recognize some of the names , may be able to pick a few out in a line up but know them NO.

Again if they have been involved in some other initiatives they are hardly untainted with past events, and as you do not feel they would be interested my question is still unanswered who ?

[Legod Third Coming]

Good leaders don't ask for leadership help. They just lead.

[VectisSaint]

Note that this pathetic PR exercise will also not start to operate until just before the start of next season, i.e. after any important decisions about the strategy for next season have been taken. If nominations need to be in by end March, why not kick off the "parliament" in May?

[SaintRobbie]

The polls on this forum reflect the opinion of those who vote - as far as any election is concerned, that means that it reflects the overall opinion of all those registered (in the same way that the winner of the general election is the party with the overall highest number of seats won from those who actually bother to vote). It doesn't necessarily represent the opinion of the fanbase as a whole.

 

There are many thousands of Saints fans who go to games (and indeed those who DON'T go to games) who are not registered on this forum, and their opinions may differ wildly from the forum members' overall views.

 

To use the general election analogy again, that would be like taking the results of the election in Romsey and assuming that those results were representative of the whole country.

 

 

I'm a "usual suspect", aren't I?

 

Rubbish. You and I know that there are very very few fans who want Lowe to be associated with this club. If anything this messageboard is showing a more balanced view that the average 'voter' in a Southampton pub.

 

You're saying those who vote on this forum are not representitive of those who talk about Saints in the bars in Southampton or at work? I think you may be wrong Steve.

 

So would you be one of the 5 looking to make a change or the one who follows club policy? Or... perhaps will you be portraying yourself as a middle man for Mike's scheme? Has he asked you to stand Steve?

 

For what its worth - I actually hope you do stand.

 

How will the elections take place for the parliament? This will be interesting to watch... or will fans be errrr 'selected' or 'appointed'?

Edited 17 March, 2009 by SaintRobbie

[stevegrant]

Rubbish. You and I know that there are very very few fans who want Lowe to be associated with this club. If anything this messageboard is showing a more balanced view that the average 'voter' in a Southampton pub.

Have you asked all of them? No, you haven't, and nor have I. Therefore, neither you or I know that.

 

You're saying those who vote on this forum are not representitive of those who talk about Saints in the bars in Southampton or at work? I think you may be wrong Steve.

It may be representative, it may not. I don't know the opinion of every single Saints fan, so I have nothing to compare the figures to.

 

So would you be one of the 5 looking to make a change or the one who follows club policy?

Neither, until evidence categorically leads the club down one path or the other. Unfortunately, there are far too many people who made up their minds on things without stopping to actually think about things. After all, we went down an "anyone but Lowe" path three years ago and look where that's got us - Lowe's back and in a much stronger position because of the complete shambles his replacements made of things.

 

Or... perhaps will you be portraying yourself as a middle man for Mike's scheme? Has he asked you to stand Steve?

I haven't spoken to Wilde for ages, nor do I feel the need to, to be honest. A friend of mine has asked me to stand for it, but I certainly won't be nominating myself, that's for sure.

[SaintRobbie]

Sorry Steve added a bit before you posted.

[Mole]

Fill yer boots....

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11517

 

Football fans are never short of an opinion or two but now Saints supporters are being given the chance to have their views heard…

 

Southampton Football Club have agreed to help set up an independent Fans Parliament which aims to give supporters more of a voice in the way the club is run.

 

Southampton FC Chairman Michael Wilde says that decisions on the way the Parliament will be established and run have already taken place and the plans are now ready to be put into action.

"Our proposals for the new Fans Parliament will work in a similar way to the system that already operates very successfully at Wolverhampton Wanderers," he explained.

 

"Last week I met with the Club's Commercial Director, John O'Sullivan and our Head of Supporter Services, David Luker and we have formulated an initial plan for how the Parliament will be established.

"From the very outset, we are very keen to highlight that whilst the Club will provide help and assistance at every opportunity, the Parliament, when formed, will be an independent body working outside of the Club's remit.

"The aim of this independent body will be to give all fans a voice that may otherwise be lost amidst the clamour and somewhat ad-hoc nature of many current supporters initiatives."

Wilde also revealed the details of how the Parliament will be formed, and its make up once established.

"Initially, we will look to help set up a Selection Committee whose role will be to eventually run the nomination process for supporters' representatives to sit on the Parliament," he continued.

"The committee will be made up of a maximum of 6 people, with no more than two coming from the Club itself. We would therefore invite fans to nominate fellow supporters who they feel have the best interests of the Club at heart, and who would be able to work within a small democratically run committee."

The deadline for nominations to the Selection Committee will be 31st March and the Club will evaluate all such applicants, with this being the only role the Club will have in the incorporation process.

"Once the Committee has been chosen, they will then look to invite nominations for supporters to sit within the Parliament. We hope that this process would begin in about a month from now, with the inaugural meeting of the new Parliament aiming to take place immediately prior to the start of the 2009/10 season.

"It is anticipated that the Parliament will initially comprise between 20 and 25 supporters representing a diverse range of supporter interests. A full list of categories will be published following the first meeting of the new Selection Committee and nominations invited shortly thereafter. The aim of the Selection Committee will be to ensure that every category of supporter is represented within the Parliament. "

"Any supporter with issues or questions to raise with the Club through the Parliament will be able to contact the relevant representative to raise the issue on their behalf. Contact details of all representatives will be permanently published on the Club's website as will the minutes of every meeting which will also be made available to the media."

It is intended that the Parliament will meet at least four times a year with an independent "speaker" being appointed to take charge of the meetings.

The Club will provide administrative support on an ongoing basis and will ensure that both the Club's board members and senior management are available as necessary to address and respond to the many and varied issues that will be discussed.

"We are fully confident that once set up, the Parliament will be a great conduit for our supporters to discuss issues with the Club, and make suggestions where they deem appropriate, on a whole range of issues such as ticket pricing, merchandise ranges etc. I also believe that the feedback the Club receives from the Parliament will be very important in assisting the formulation of ongoing policies.

"I encourage all supporters to embrace, support and contribute to this important initiative. This is a fantastic opportunity for supporters of all types to make their voices heard within an organised, constructive and proactive environment."

 

Fans wishing to nominate someone for the Fans Parliament Selection Committee should send there nominations to the following address:

FANS PARLIAMENT, FREEPOST, ST. MARY'S, BRITANNIA ROAD, SOUTHAMPTON. SO14 5FP.

 

Reading Scouse Mikes words it's very similar to the post by the Wolves fans that suddenly decided to post the other week.

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=7228

[SaintRobbie]

Have you asked all of them? No, you haven't, and nor have I. Therefore, neither you or I know that.

 

 

It may be representative, it may not. I don't know the opinion of every single Saints fan, so I have nothing to compare the figures to.

 

 

Neither, until evidence categorically leads the club down one path or the other. Unfortunately, there are far too many people who made up their minds on things without stopping to actually think about things. After all, we went down an "anyone but Lowe" path three years ago and look where that's got us - Lowe's back and in a much stronger position because of the complete shambles his replacements made of things.

 

 

I haven't spoken to Wilde for ages, nor do I feel the need to, to be honest. A friend of mine has asked me to stand for it, but I certainly won't be nominating myself, that's for sure.

 

It is representitive and you know it.... goodness sake you only have to read the Echo comments after each story to gain a feel for non-messageboard banter. Not going to argue any further on that - we'll just have to agree to disagree. Suffice to say if the parliament doesnt reflect the voters opinions then it is nothing more than a toothless puppet government. It will lose credibility faster than the Trust if not carefully and openly elected.

 

I fully concur with your points on Lowe's return. A refreshing perspective to be honest, but one which fundamentally implies you too want rid of him.

 

So - do you stand, are you selected or do we all vote? Without a vote how can those like Chorley get on it - If Chorley isnt permitted to be one of the members (assuming he stands and isnt still banned!) then what will that say of the credibility of this parliament?

 

Interesting concept but I can't help but think the parliament's first act will be something like wholehearted supporting Wotte and Club policy and not a call for Lowe's resignation, a delisting of the plc and search for a new owner.

 

But then, and I do hold on to a little optimism over Mike Wilde, perhaps Mike is actually up to something.

[mack rill]

Hmmm, Good spot....Here's hoping a clever Pompey fan doesn't spot the FREEPOST bit and, together with his mates, fires off enough mail to financially drag us under....

 

By jove, two oxymorons in once sentence. Nice one Trousers.

 

:D feckin Skates the bastards are everywhere:smt023

[Mole]

So which uber fans are going to jump into bed with wilde then?

[stevegrant]

I fully concur with your points on Lowe's return. A refreshing perspective to be honest, but one which fundamentally implies you too want rid of him.

Yes, but not at all costs with no thought given as to who is coming in to replace him. I've stated my position many times - I want all of the "major players" from the last 5 years or so to have nothing further to do with the running of SFC. That includes Lowe, that includes Wilde, that includes Crouch, that also includes Corbett, McMenemy, Wiseman, Askham, Withers, Windsor-Clive, Cowen and I expect a few others that I've forgotten.

[Mole]

My view of this parliament is that anyone who takes part in it is supporting Lowe and Wilde. This makes them traitors in my book.

[SaintRobbie]

Surely the point of reflecting the views of fans is being able to appreciate different points of view. It isn't merely have a few with one extreme view, and a few with the opposing extreme view! Or 5 of one and 1 of the other as SaintRobbie suggests. What do we have then? Fans arguing with other fans, AGAIN.

 

If you have people who can appreciate both sides and actually discuss the issues reasonably then you might get somewhere. So shocking as is might be, having someone looking to bring the topic back to Lowe every time probably isn't a very good idea. Just as having someone looking to defend him at every turn isn't sensible. We need people who appreciate the position we're in, know the history and can discuss it reasonably, even with people they disagree with or don't particularly like.

 

I do agree that the nature of the individuals means that they should be prepared to listen to both sides of the argument and suggest a way forward. But what you seem to be suggesting is selective in order to place the right type of midle roader in, not democratic and thus representative of the fan base? Not a 'parliament' then!?

 

The point I am making is(and for what its worth I agree with you that anyone on such a forum should ideally be balanced) that it will not be reflective of fans feelings unless elected by the fans - but I dont think it will be... for errr some strange reason.

 

Sorry, but unless this parliament shows early that it can really achieve something rather than being a forum for rubber stamping club policy then it will just be laughed at... once more by the majority.

 

It needs credibility or it will fail immediately. To gain credibility it would need an early win - for me that would be a club undertaking to announce that the club is for sale. A positive start. But, I really doubt we'll see anything other than some selected fans trying to explain why Lowe and Wilde are making another poor decision.

 

There is no confidence in the leadership of this club. Thus, schemes like this unless handled properly will just be laughed at or at best ignored making those who sit on the 'parliament' unnecessarily ridiculed as Lowe-dites and Wilde supporters.

 

Still, the SFC Chairman may at least pass afew shirt designs past the parliament.

[SaintRobbie]

Yes, but not at all costs with no thought given as to who is coming in to replace him. I've stated my position many times - I want all of the "major players" from the last 5 years or so to have nothing further to do with the running of SFC. That includes Lowe, that includes Wilde, that includes Crouch, that also includes Corbett, McMenemy, Wiseman, Askham, Withers, Windsor-Clive, Cowen and I expect a few others that I've forgotten.

 

And we both agree on that. As you know I have stated that time and time again too. But, I'm afraid you cant keep on a leader who has lost the confidence of everyone. Doesnt work, as you have pointed out all it does is give him the opportunity to consolidate his position.

 

We can lose Lowe now and appoint a CEO and we see many immediate benefits for this club.

 

Dont get me wrong Steve I have alot of time for you. I mean it - you should stand but there needs to be a representative spread or it will be toothless, ignored and ridiculed.

[Channon's Sideburns]

A hollow gesture from some hollow men in charge.

 

I'll do it..vote for me!!

[StuRomseySaint]

LOL

 

All this 'fans parliament' is a cheap way of having a 'customer service' or 'complaints' department.

 

Anyone who has a complaint in the future will just be fobbed off to their nearest parliament rep who will raise the issue on their behalf.... meaning fook all will get done and it saves the club time and money.

 

Am I the only one that can see this?

[Mole]

LOL

 

All this 'fans parliament' is a cheap way of having a 'customer service' or 'complaints' department.

 

Anyone who has a complaint in the future will just be fobbed off to their nearest parliament rep who will raise the issue on their behalf.... meaning fook all will get done and it saves the club time and money.

 

Am I the only one that can see this?

 

I don't think so. I think it's just pure spin. Wilde was all for the trust when it suited his PR campaign. Now he's just doing the same thing again. He pulled the wool over a good many fans eyes last time - will he suceed again?

[ottery st mary]

Absolute Nonsense...We are being had over..Please do not fall for this...Just think about it.

 

Scam artists comes to mind.

[corsacar saint]

Lowe and Wilde have thicker skin than a pair of rhinos. However surely even they can see

they are both well past their sell buy date, and this idea is just a total load of B***ox.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I would be intrigued to find out more about how the club plan to "evaluate" nominees.

 

Incidentally they still monitor this forum with a fine toothcomb as I have been "admonished" over the last few days for something I posted over the weekend.

 

This whole thing belongs on Wilde's manifesto.

[fos1]

I would be intrigued to find out more about how the club plan to "evaluate" nominees.

 

Incidentally they still monitor this forum with a fine toothcomb as I have been "admonished" over the last few days for something I posted over the weekend.

 

This whole thing belongs on Wilde's manifesto.

 

Duncan please tell us more ?

[70's Mike]

I would be intrigued to find out more about how the club plan to "evaluate" nominees.

 

Incidentally they still monitor this forum with a fine toothcomb as I have been "admonished" over the last few days for something I posted over the weekend.

 

This whole thing belongs on Wilde's manifesto.

 

 

you little hint dropper , you

[Wes Tender]

I would be intrigued to find out more about how the club plan to "evaluate" nominees.

 

Incidentally they still monitor this forum with a fine toothcomb as I have been "admonished" over the last few days for something I posted over the weekend.

 

This whole thing belongs on Wilde's manifesto.

 

I would be very interested to hear what it was that you posted over the weekend for which you were admonished. This is an independent forum for the opinions of ordinary fans and nothing should undergo any form of censorship by the club unless it is libellous, racist or sexist or any of the other "ists" that form the current political correctness lobby.

 

Just because you are the club's official historian doesn't mean that you should be disallowed the expression of your own opinion on a forum such as this. This is precisely what would be wrong with the Parliament. The club would try and interfere with any opinion contrary to its own.

[trousers]

My view of this parliament is that anyone who takes part in it is supporting Lowe and Wilde. This makes them traitors in my book.

 

Think outside the box Stan....

 

[trousers]

I would be intrigued to find out more about how the club plan to "evaluate" nominees.

 

Incidentally they still monitor this forum with a fine toothcomb as I have been "admonished" over the last few days for something I posted over the weekend.

 

This whole thing belongs on Wilde's manifesto.

 

Cue a Trousers trawl back over old posts.....

[Channon's Sideburns]

What a load of b'stards Dunc.

 

Wilde you reading this? Lowe, are your employees reading this?

 

Admonish me - you ***ts.

 

I pay my money which you use for this club and have done for 29 years. Go to hell.