I have decided to put my thingy on the block

[Secret Site Agent]

I have said this before, especially with regard to the overpaid pampered shamefull England team we have, so I should really follow this through.

 

I would prefer, and be prouder, of a team filled with youngsters who played their hearts out, showed some decent football and promised, and put 100 % into playing for their team, and fail, than a bunch of lazy underperforming expensive glory boys who only get picked because of who they are, not how they play, i.e. if they are playing ****, drop them and make them prove they deserve their place in the first team.

 

Also I would like a manager with the guts to do the above, and drop those that don't perform, and peanuts to anyone who moans about what he is doing, to do what he thinks best.

 

make up your own mind to whom I refer.

 

Now please discuss using only well thought out and cogent arguments please, but remember to be constructive boys and girls.

[TopGun]

Not sure whether you are referring to Saints or England but in both cases I am in agreement.

[saintkiptanui]

I also agree.

[simo]

I disagree!

[slickmick]

I agree with you. We seem to have a win at all costs mentality in English football.

I'm sick to death with the likes of Frank Lampard, Ronaldo Adebayor ect all of whom have put personal greed before anything else.

I would love to see the clubs that are destroying English football in the top tier fall on bad times.

But can you imagine the uproar if someone like Liverpool went into administartion and got penalised in the same way as Luton ect.

Maybe with the credit crunch, we might see more people cancel Sky Sports. Not sure if this would be enough to damage the top clubs though. I can only hope.

Rant over.

[derry]

James looks poor, Brown was doing his and the non running free kick/corner specialist work, Ferdinand/Terry adequate, Cole tried hard, The midfield was dire, Barry looked like he was playing with a hangover, Gerrard was so out of position, did Lampard play? Defoe doesn't do passing, I haven't got a clue where Rooney was supposed to be playing. All in all a complete shambles. The subs were poor, how does Downing get in the squad.

 

All the passing was across the field or gave the ball away. No pace, Where was Walcott? Too demoralized to go on...........and on.

[Snowballs2]

Because of the huge sums of money involved nowadays, players are not prepared to risk injury, they only give 100% at club level rather than risk an injury which would mean playing and win bonuses would be missing from their paycheck. Too much money and a soft life Prem Club football is the problem

[MongoNeil]

I don't understand the question

[Saint Billy]

Agreed in full.

[offix]

never, EVER, put your thingy on the block!

[Wes Tender]

I have said this before, especially with regard to the overpaid pampered shamefull England team we have, so I should really follow this through.

 

I would prefer, and be prouder, of a team filled with youngsters who played their hearts out, showed some decent football and promised, and put 100 % into playing for their team, and fail, than a bunch of lazy underperforming expensive glory boys who only get picked because of who they are, not how they play, i.e. if they are playing ****, drop them and make them prove they deserve their place in the first team.

 

Also I would like a manager with the guts to do the above, and drop those that don't perform, and peanuts to anyone who moans about what he is doing, to do what he thinks best.

 

make up your own mind to whom I refer.

 

Now please discuss using only well thought out and cogent arguments please, but remember to be constructive boys and girls.

 

As there was no mention of Saints here, then why is this on the main board? Or are you employing a broad sweeping generalisation about the football you like to see at national level and at local level? But difficult to generalise at all between England's team and ours, as there is too much diversity between the two situations.

 

Capelli has the choice of any English player from any division or indeed any club here and abroad. Most would think it a privilege to play for their national team.

 

We as a club deep in the financial sh*t, have really hardly any choice at all as to who plays for us. We can only choose the players whose wages we can afford.

 

But as to the rest of your argument, I don't accept the premise that youngsters necessarily play with more heart or spirit than older players. Naturally, the older players were youngsters themselves once upon a time and does it therefore follow in most cases that they somehow lose that enthusiasm or heart and commitment? Not if they are true professionals.

 

Of course most would agree that any player who does not perform to the best of their ability should be dropped from the team and that therefore there is probably a youngster knocking on the door to take his place. But that has always been the case. Competition for places is good for any team.

 

Regrettably, for Saints there is hardly the possibility of the older players fighting to keep their places, as most cannot be afforded anyway.

 

But your second paragraph did not make one thing clear. If the result was failure from youngsters who gave their all, compared with older higher paid glory players with a reputation who didn't seem to care and who also failed, then everybody would agree with you. But what if the choice was between youngsters who tried very hard but failed, compared to the older glory players who didn't seem to put across the same commitment but managed to succeed, which would you go for then?

[Gorgiesaint]

But your second paragraph did not make one thing clear. If the result was failure from youngsters who gave their all, compared with older higher paid glory players with a reputation who didn't seem to care and who also failed, then everybody would agree with you. But what if the choice was between youngsters who tried very hard but failed, compared to the older glory players who didn't seem to put across the same commitment but managed to succeed, which would you go for then?

 

Its a moot point Wes.

 

At Southampton, we have the youngsters who are currently give their all. This season will tell if they are a success of failure. The older glory players were certainly not a success last season so the question is irrelevant.

 

In terms of England, I believe the analogy that was trying to be drawn was that of overpaid, experienced pro's not actually caring. I didn't see the game last night but listened on the radio and that was the inference I got from how the performance was described. That is exactly similar to how a number of experienced pro's played for us last season.

Edited 21 August, 2008 by Gorgiesaint
Terrible spelling!!

[Danny R]

I agree with you. We seem to have a win at all costs mentality in English football.

I'm sick to death with the likes of Frank Lampard, Ronaldo Adebayor ect all of whom have put personal greed before anything else.

I would love to see the clubs that are destroying English football in the top tier fall on bad times.

But can you imagine the uproar if someone like Liverpool went into administartion and got penalised in the same way as Luton ect.

Maybe with the credit crunch, we might see more people cancel Sky Sports. Not sure if this would be enough to damage the top clubs though. I can only hope.

Rant over.

 

I agree completely........ It was interesting to see the press reaction to Ronaldo's 'slave' comment, in comparison to the complete silence Kenwyne Jones went ON STRIKE in order to move to the Premiership.

[the saints god]

never, ever, put your thingy on the block!

 

lol

[miserableoldgit]

never, EVER, put your thingy on the block!

Or put a block on your thingy.

[the saints god]

BTW england are s**t and they will always be s**t until top clubs stop putting their trust in foreign players and start playing some english talent, and that is mostly aimed at arsenal because i am disgusted that in their opening game only one player in the line up was english, Theo Walcott. we do have a lot of english talent but the young players are only ever playing on the wings or upfront, we don't have alot of young talented english defenders or central midfielders. The FA should do something about this!

[Wes Tender]

Its a mute point Wes.

 

At Southampton, we have the youngsters who are currently give their all. This season will tell if they are a success of failure. The older glory players were certainly not a success last season so the question is irrelevant.

 

In terms of England, I believe the analogy that was trying to be drawn was that of overpaid, experienced pro's not actually caring. I didn't see the game last night but listened on the radio and that was the inference I got from how the performance was described. That is exactly similar to how a number of experienced pro's played for us last season.

 

Yes, it is a moot point, but worth considering. Had either Saints' older players, or England's older players given the impression that they couldn't really be arsed, but nevertheless went on a winning streak, would they get the flack that they get when they are losing? What would most of us rather see? Attractive, passing, adventurous football from the youngsters, but ultimately a succession of disappointing defeats, or games played by seemingly disinterested older pros who run out winning? In our situation, would the youngsters fill the stadium if they lost each week, regardless of how entertainingly they played, or is there more chance of the stadium filling following a series of boring but winning games played by the older players?

 

I suppose the answer that avoids critical analysis is to play a mixture, a blend of both older experienced players and exuberant youth. I'm worried though that financial restrictions have shortened our options when it comes to decent older players, as their wages are likely to be higher if they're any good.

[Gorgiesaint]

I suppose the answer that avoids critical analysis is to play a mixture, a blend of both older experienced players and exuberant youth. I'm worried though that financial restrictions have shortened our options when it comes to decent older players, as their wages are likely to be higher if they're any good.

 

You're right with that Wes. A blend would be the answer but we are certainly hampered financially in terms of bring in experience. I fear that we will have to make do with the experience that Kelvin, Killer, Perry, Wooten & John can provide - this gives a spine to the team, but my main fear is that these players are not up to the task of performing themselves & motivating/assisting those around them.

[Wes Tender]

You're right with that Wes. A blend would be the answer but we are certainly hampered financially in terms of bring in experience. I fear that we will have to make do with the experience that Kelvin, Killer, Perry, Wooten & John can provide - this gives a spine to the team, but my main fear is that these players are not up to the task of performing themselves & motivating/assisting those around them.

 

Yes, Gorgie, those players do make a reasonable spine to the team. The possible fly in the ointment apart from your concern, is whether we can even retain them in the team most of the season. There are current rumours that Kelvin and John might go. The other three might well suffer injuries. Where would we be then?